🥇GT Sport Olympics Was A Little Ridiculous
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- čas přidán 23. 06. 2021
- Talking about the Gran Turismo Sport Olympics that was just posted yesterday, but recorded about a week ago. I was a little disappointed how a particular situation was handled and hope that virtual e-sports can be handled better in the future. This is to help everyone create a better racing experience down the road.
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Wow I would have been devastated …. thanks for making this vid !
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Update: I just found out “AFTER” this video was posted that Fraga was having internet issues. Apparently they tried to restart like 3 times. If this is true, I still think the coverage on the topic was very poor. It should have been specified. (Especially since it wasn’t live) Also, the video is still relevant because rules & regulations regarding internet disconnects needs to be made clear. This way everyone is on the same page. Another reason why esports events like this should be “in person” live.
What going on igor fraga disconnect
@@christopheryongmenglee7569 Not sure Chris. Their is just a lot of questions. The event wasn’t live, but was recorded live and “unlisted.” Someone said Fraga claimed they tried to restart 3 times? However, during the live stream it doesn’t show any attempts were made. So when did they do it? Was it edited out? If so, then why didn’t the commentators mention the issue? The flow of the stream seemed like the Olympic commentators were shocked and the guy didn’t even know Fraga was disqualified...I could go on and on with a list, but something doesn’t add up. The event not being live and posted one week later is already a red flag in my opinion.
@@Z28Gaming I asked Fraga an he said he just had an issue with his service provider ... It is also discussed on his discord. Very unfortunate for him but same goes if you are in a real race and your car breaks down... Just bad luck.
sad outcome ...yet the next time we have an Olympic event hopefully this will take place in a " controlled" venue as it was for the world tour events before Covid...
Why do an Olympic series when they can't set it up like a world tour event!! If a competitor gets disconnected it should be re run until everyone can race the whole race without connection problems. The event should never have taken place. Very disappointing agree with you on everything z28.
I assumed they would fly all competitors to the same location, have everyone on the identical equipment and with virtually no ping.
Competing in the Olympics from your bedroom/living room or whatever seems lame.
Covid 19 restrictions?
@@Miumiu79 still just a lack of effort from PD they should have treated it like other sports where they essentially have the athletes live and compete in a "bubble"
The did it like that for the world finals before the ol 'Rona 19 came along.
But to be honest this all "GT Sport Olympics" looks like an afterthought, so they might not thought that through.
This is already happening the reason why it's not is.. Covid
Same
This is proof that if sim racing ever goes profesional, it needs to be all in person! No online, no from racing at home. Its unacceptable. This event has to be done in person where all the drivers are in one place. So sad for for Brazilian.
100% agree. I understand the world isn’t in a great place for travel right now. That’s probably why it’s virtual. However, I feel like their is a “push” for it to stay this way. I don’t think it’s possible. Too many issues and the players deserve to travel and be at a live event for this.
I agree with you, and I would hope that is a goal. Maybe it's just not possible for them right now?
100% true. Even if this went smoothly there would still be issues with ping just due to the distance of everyone in the lobby
The worst part is the DQ. I can kind of understand not restarting the race (you don't delay a real race start if a driver has technical issues). However the DQ sends totally the wrong message. He did 100% the right thing by pulling off. If he didn't see the other cars he could have just driven the race like they weren't there and caused total chaos. Then he is supplementally punished for doing the right thing by being disqualified for the remainder of the championship?!?
I see what you mean, but an internet issue isn’t really a “technical issue” like real life. He can’t help his internet company. This is kind of why I don’t like “virtual championships.” If this was a live event it wouldn’t happen. I definitely see your point, but internet is not always going to work and disqualifying someone over seems a bit harsh. I think we’re on the same page. My point is that more rules need to be made for this type of situation.
After reading Fragas Twitter it definitely sounds like GT tried to do the right thing, but they did an extremely poor job of communicating what happened... and they could have easily explained it away "live". " Unfortunately despite the best efforts of Igor and the GT team technical difficulties proved impossible to overcome and will not be resolved by the third race. Thank you to Igor for being the consumate professional and pulling over before quitting to ensure he didn't harm the race. We wish him all the best and we are sure we will see him again soon."
They treated this just like any other daily race. I'm not surprised. I agree that there definitely needs to be more regulation in events like this.
And you're right, a lot can happen in four years. I got married, 3 kids and divorced in nearly 5 years! Life goes on. Long live sim racing and everything sim! 🙌🏾
Exactly! It’s an insanely long time to wait! Lets just hope they continue to improve sim racing. It keeps getting better, but now we just need a bit more rules to take it further! 🏁🏁
Complete agree with you, Z. And why they don't let him to do last race ?!?
That was just the rules. Last place is disqualified...
@@Z28Gaming Last place disqualified ? race one The Malaysian was last, but he's in. this is point system, dont think previous race be last and disqualified.. But honestly, GT's lobby server really sucks.. the bug they have to fix.. already many years still the same.. :(
Where did uou get this info tho? Fraga had connectivity issues also for Race 3, that's why he didn't take part. He was *never* disqualified
Inform yourself better before making this kind of content please
This race was play a mount ago -before they streaming it. Yes, Fraga has technical problem ...they try restart race a couple times ... Last time, Fraga says not able to see anyone on track, so he decided to pull over the track.
@@IlConteSky I'm saying what happened on the live stream from the viewers perspective. The point is to establish rules and keep us informed. Nobody knew what was going on.
i feel bad about igor. man it sucks to see that happened to him
Dude I’m so happy that you’re advocating for him! Granturismo has taken so many steps in the wrong direction … the need to do connection test and perhaps a practice installation race before they even start a race that carries so much weight …
Thank you! Honestly, I think this was netcode related and people are saying internet. I know Fraga mentioned his ISP, but that doesn’t make much sense. He had plenty of bandwidth to be on the track and drive the car to the side. If it was ISP, then he would have dropped out of the race…I think this was a lobby bug personally.
Hi Z. Excellent point! In F1 if someone cannot start for some issue, they immediately abort the procedure. Also these high level of competitions MUST be live, you cannot trust a video of a race posted after its end ... Come on...It seems an event organized by improviser
I’m still a little thrown off that it wasn’t live...
I'm dying at happily divorced. Great video, I agree with you 100%
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I used to do FIA races where my opponents were ghosted on the starting spot for the whole race. I don't know if my car would be ghosted for them too.
Did anyone experienced this too?
I’ve heard of that before. It never happened to me because I haven’t done FIA in a while, but that’s a GT Sport glitch. I don’t think you were ghosted to the opponents. Usually it’s only you that is impacted and occasionally someone else that race.
I totally agree with what you just said there. Let me tell you from first hand race wasn't live. Done more that a week earlier. I'm in the same community with the Greek driver we all knew race was recorded but he wasn't allowed to tell us the results.
An interesting thing that I've noticed before this happens was that fraga wasn't wearing the t-shirt with the flag like everyone else, might this be connected with that incident? Who knows...
Interesting point you made there...
@@Z28Gaming actually, fraga wasn't wearing the t-shirt due to a shipping problem here in brazil. The incident was'nt connected to the shirt at all
@@filhudi Good to clarify that 👍🏼🏁🏁
I was wondering when someone was going to do a video about this situation
Very good explanation man, i hope that in the next olympic event everything will change, greetings from mexico! And i also watched it because the facebook group lol
The Facebook group showed the Olympic event, or do you mean this video?
I also hope the next Olympic event will be better. Videos like this help with constitutive criticism. Lets just hope it’s a live bent next time 💪🏼🏁
@@Z28Gaming Yes, and i was referring to this video
You are the best my friend. thank you for always providing the honest truth in any situation...
Thanks man. I appreciate that 💪🏼🏁🏁
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This scenario was predicted moments after the Olympics was announced. We as players knew it was going to happen. I'm sure PD thought it might happen. That speaks volumes of their foresight to not have provisions set in place
Well apparently they did try to restart? People in the comments said that they tried and Fraga had an issue. If that’s the case, then it just sucks for Igor. But this should have been covered.
Well when they said olympic I was expecting fireworks this was more like RGB lights_strips. Fia finals was much more exciting to watch and was a well organized event. How ever kudos to all the boys who participated, massive dedication and felt like we all are racing. Thankyou for representing GT sport / sim racing community. 👊❤ . Regarding fraga such an unfortunate and unfair decision.
Thank you EVO Chef 🏁 I do agree with the RGB light strip analogy lol. I was expecting it to be a bit more professional and a “wow” factor. It seems like more effort was put into the world finals. Especially in 2018-2019.
Ya that’s horrible! The fact that us “normal” people who run our own leagues can call a red flag when we see a situation like this happen & wait for the driver to fix his/her issue if possible & reset the grid in under 3 minutes once they join back in the lobby is so easy but a Olympic event or FIA event can’t do that is mind boggling. Live or not it should be done. Just wow!
Exactly….
I'm 100% with you. That's really poor form. Not sure I'm with the 25% bit though. Perhaps 1 lap (or 2 on particularly short tracks).
If I were in his position I'd be seriously pissed!
I agree Alex. 25% was a bit much. I kind of just threw a number out there. The point is, something needs to be done with these kinds of situations. Hopefully word will get around and it’ll improve! That’s my goal 🏁🏁🏁
Absolutely agree with you Z without a doubt, if weather or a huge pile up at the beginning stops a real race there is a restart 😀
Exactly...The point is that “we” as drivers can’t prevent a storm, or internet disconnect from our ISP. Something needs to be implemented for future virtual events! (My opinion)
you know sometimes I wished this event was being previewed on the main GT Channel or even the PlayStation network so that it can get its publication because it’s the ‘Olympics’ but more a more I’m thinking otherwise.
ill just say if this was “live live” this would be understandable but the fact this wasn’t live and this didn’t have a possible restart is absolutely shredding to watch.
Yep exactly…
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Agree with Qualifying from online races but top events need to be done from a single place or from high speed connections like getting all the players in one area to go to a Internet provider with a bullet prove connection. But that still does not fix potential lag from distance ping. Best option is like PD did for past world tours and collect players in a central location so no ping, no disconnect issues and even have a crowd reactions. Granted Covid is limiting contact but distancing could still be done
Yeah Covid screwed a lot of things up. These events really need to be done live…
The race should have been restarted.
I personally think so...
I'm amazed they didn't. treated him worse than an open lobby.. total F
Totally agree, my issue with the Olympic format ... instead of countries they done regions... this was just a repackaged world tour event ??
I honestly didn’t look how it was done. I never got a chance to do the time trial. Wasn’t it the quickest qualifiers globally?
@@Z28Gamingquota on the quickest per region not per country, - even Jamaica sent a bobsleigh team to the Olympics, no chance of seeing any minoes here. The top guys would have made it to the podium yes , but in my opinion the way they modelled the seeding demonstrated that this event was a repackaged FIA event
@@Italanmo From that perspective I agree with you 100%. I didn’t know this information at all...
@@Z28Gaming Community needs you on the frontline :) !! Way to many toilet brush streamers blowing smoke up PDs arse. GT7 / PS5 thing has also fertalized the space beautifully - ACC seems to offer for some respite
@@Italanmo I would definitely help with GT7 and I’m not going to be biased if the game has issues. It’s important for people to come out and speak about these problems. It’ll only make things better. 💪🏼🏁
I know this is late but JESUS CHRIST THAT WAS AO UNFAIR
Tell me about it…I think future live events will be good though. It seems like this stuff can’t be done online.
@@Z28Gaming yes at least not causing another disqualification like it happened on this year’s GT Sport Olympics
@ 3:52 - its no longer about the race its about the tank top
Good rant! Maybe the policy was that if you disconnect, so be it, race goes on.
It could have been, but that’s a bit harsh. If this was the case, they should have specified that. But honestly, I don’t think anybody knew what was going on.
Bro I thought this was a “Simracing Workout Video” with those guns 💪🏾 out! I agree however life isn’t fair; due to pandemic the event wasn’t in person.
Yeah, I think all of these events should be in person. But you’re right...The pandemic has definitely made it difficult 💪🏼
Oh man, that's disheartening.
Tell me about it...
IRL would we delay or restart a race if, on the starting line:
A sprinter says, my shoe has an issue?
A swimmer says, my googles are not properly sealed?
A car has an unexpected flat tire?
A car engine blows up?
A car steering fails?
In the e-sports setting, why is the internet connection any different from the above?
The competitor is responsible for the logistics.
Its classism, but, that is a different discussion.
This could have not been the drivers fault. It’s possible it was a common “netcode” issue that happens all the time in GT Sport lobbies.
Yes, Fraga said he was having “internet issues” and called his ISP. But that doesn’t make much sense. The video was recorded live and labeled “unlisted.” So I don’t see any window where the race was restarted, or he had time to contact his internet company? Another thing. If this was true, why didn’t anyone say during the event that they tried numerous times to connect? Since it was posted later, this could have been edited. Your ISP is responsible for giving you sustained bandwidth. If your internet dies, then you would disconnect from the online lobby. That didn’t happen here. Fraga was still on the track and “couldn’t see” the other cars. This means it’s a “netcode” problem and not related to ISP. So my point is that it’s not the drivers fault and we have no idea what really happened because the viewers were left in the dark. I don’t even think Fraga knows what happened. I’ve seen this glitch at least 40-50 times. More information regarding these kinds of issues needs to be laid out clearly.
Which is why all events like this should be done live. A player can’t help if they’re in a tropical storm, or the ISP had an outage. That’s not fair for the “free” work they’re putting in. No money is made here.
Well said man. This thing still has so much to improve. Whoever is in charge, has stuff to learn. I want to see simracing grow, get out of the marginal coverage to a full blown global thing. With proper amount of academies and cheaper equipment so more people can actually participate.
I agree 👍🏼 Remember though. You can be just as competitive on controller in GTS. Maybe not on iRacing though lol 🏁
I think these races need to be done in person. With all fair rigs PC's and nobody with unfair hacks. No connection problems either! Should be in person!
The thing is if it happens again...would you want to keep restarting until this guy's connection is correct?
I say that online esports shouldn’t happen. (Especially not the Olympics) It should be done in person to avoid these issues.
@@Z28Gaming But yeah I've done online tourneys so It becomes a hassle when someone disconnects and never gets it right so we just move on. You're right about that too. Something that is OLYMPIC should be done literally at the olympics
There aren’t many world stages bigger than the Olympics and situations like this have to be avoided. F1 esports does their series in one location and films a few races at a time. Virtual Olympic sports will likely grow to the level that would be feasible. If it doesn’t we’ll look back on these as “those” Olympics.
Yes exactly. These events need to be live to bet when serious.
Hi Mr.Z, DMR_SN8KI here. I've seen this in our own local leagues and events, where commentators and hosts of lobbies are not GT Sport players themselves, so they don't know the random struggles and issues in game. Get admin, commentary and hosts, to be GT Sport players themselves. My 20cents. Thanks
I agree. They should have actual players do a little commentary for situations like this. That’s a good idea 💪🏼🏁
Agree, they needed to treat this more serious so how do you fix this, my belief would be that have this in the Olympic games as a live event for starters - get them involved in the opening and closing ceremony as well as having a live event like the F1 Eseries at an live event with everyone there fixes all these issues and go back to karting rules for the start of the event. Not only will the series go global it also will make a huge income for the country IT sector having to run an event like this will be huge and will expand the knowledge of everyone around them.
That is how i would fix it basically copy the F1 series and have it at the Olympics
Live events obviously fix the entire issue. That’s what they used to do in 2018 & 2019 when I went. Obviously covid changed all of this and some countries aren’t fully ready for travel yet. So hopefully the future will be live events.
@@Z28Gaming f1 e-sports are still doing it in the way of live world scale events maybe being a first time they will only go upwards i definitely know this...
Yeah I have to agree they should of at least tried a restart. That is really messed up I'll have to have a word with who was in charge very soon
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Agree 100%. When you think of (1) how much he has done for the popularity of this game (2) his remarkable ability (3) The race had only just started so no one else would have been unfairly disadvantaged (4) How important this race was => To me it is a no brainer. Very disappointed :(
Yeah, it’s just a bit sad. Almost like a slap in the face.
Been kind of disappointed with the lack of info coming from the gt sport Olympics I rarely hear when the races are and they aren't even showing them live
It was hard for me to even find it lol.
I’m really sorry for Igor! I was so full of Anticipations to see Mika vs Igor...
But in real when something happens in the Olympic Games, nobody gets a 2 chance isn’t it?!
No Olympionik is saying: oh something was wrong I want a second chance...
Yeah, but they’re getting paid. These players aren’t. So this isn’t on the same level. Not to mention, it’s a video game. A restart could take 5mins.
CS:GO, Dota2, Starcraft. All are e-sports games, and BIG tournaments take place on location, with everyone present in the flesh, playing with no ping, on identical rigs. Here comes OLYMPICS and they have the racers compete from their bedrooms. What the f---? This is a fail that should be mocked forever.
This is why all these events need to be live…
25% distance is way too high as drivers out of the picture after a crash or a few bad laps could easily just pull the plug on their internet. First lap disconnects I'd say should be a restart but only once (like the 100m - only one runner gets to false start). With online racing I think we have to regard internet issues as a form of mechanical failure - it happens in real life racing too.
This is assuming that it was Fraga’s fault, but I believe it to be a GT Sport bug that has plagued the game for years. It happens in lobbies all the time. Basically he couldn’t see the other cars on the track and pulled off…That’s a netcode problem.
It is shockingly bad and unfair. Not exactly a great start for event they want to promote.
I wish they made rules a bit more clear…However, maybe the word will get around and the future will be much better. 👍🏼🏁
Taking away the Fraga issue because we know they trued multiple restarts - I was really disappointed with the lack of hype or promotion around this event. It seemed to happen and everyone missed it. They should have been making a huge deal of this. Missed opportunity
Tell me about it!!! Honestly, I thought this would be streamed on the GT Sport CZcams channel as well, but it wasn’t.
Wow, when I heard about the Sim Racing being in the Olympics I did wonder if it was going to be remote racing or in person racing. Taking aside internet connection issues which are obviously going to happen in remote racing, it does seem to me that the only way to have a well controlled and fair olympics event is to do it in person so that everyone has the same equipment, and the same reliability and performance internet. Furthermore, if it is remote then for me - it’s almost impractical to manage internet issues ‘fairly’. In my mind, the internet, rig, wheel, pedals etc all become part of the car if you are racing remotely, and in any other race series if the car fails you are out, irrespective of how far into the race the failure occurs or indeed what part of the car fails!
My problem is that this could have been a “netcode” issue. A problem that has been with GT Sport for a long time. In this case, it’s not his fault…
if they had a rule where if 25% of the race isnt finished an auto restart would happen, people would be pulling there internet cords to get a restarts it would be a mess. something like this where it happens right at jump should have been restarted imo. no matter what place he was in
Someone else mentioned this and you’re 100% right. However, their is a way around this. They can make it a maximum on 1 restart per race. Sure, some people might take advantage, but you only have one chance. The only way to avoid this completely is have live events. (I’m personally against virtual)
completely agree
I fully see what you're saying and I feel really bad for Fraga as my money was on him to win, but think about this from the other way.
If you stop and restart the race for Fraga, what happens if it happens to soneone else? Do you stop and restart for them as well? Then someone else? Then someone else? Before you know it you've spent two hours restarting. Where's the line where you say "Sorry but we have to continue"?
At the actual Olympics you can train for years, have a bad day and come last, it's part and parcel of sports. Somedays you're the bug, other days the windshield and unfortunately for Fraga, this time he was the bug!
This is assuming that it was Fraga’s fault, but I believe it to be a GT Sport bug that has plagued the game for years. It happens in lobbies all the time. Basically he couldn’t see the other cars on the track and pulled off…That’s a netcode problem.
Feel terrible for him and wish it hadn’t happened, but let’s look at this in context. Had a word class 100 meter sprinter’s shoe fallen off at the start of a race, would the Olympic Committee restart the race?
He didn’t get disconnected though. He pulled the car over intentionally because he couldn’t see the other cars on the track. That has nothing to do with his internet. It’s a GT Sport glitch that has been a problem for a long time. Same with cars that get the “grid start” bug.
I love online racing. But there is always going to be that issue of your ISP going tits up. I would have assumed that they would have anticipated this and put them in one room like for when they race for the championship.
Yeah, I just don’t understand how this wasn’t thought about? The commentators should have been ready for an issue like this and specified the rules. It just seemed like nobody knew what was going on and they moved forward. That’s a lot of hard work and dedication lost.
Man im sad Igor Fraga is my favorite, i even raced the man himself in daily race. Like hes the top competitor. RESTART!
Polyphony has a history on "red" flag races to restart races!!!!
Apparently they did try to restart the race? Just none of this was mentioned. It’s pretty confusing unless you get inside information.
It does seem unfair and disappointing from a spectators pov too but on the other hand you could view an internet issue akin to a mechanical failure irl where they wouldn't actually get 3 chances ! But I did want to see him in the final race.
Assuming it’s the drivers fault. I don’t think it was. GT Sport has a very common “netcode” issue that doesn’t allow someone to “see cars” on the track. That’s not related to the drivers internet. The only way to fix it is to shut down the entire lobby again and restart. We’re assuming it’s the drivers fault, but it’s not.
This is why these events need to be live.
disconnect is the sim variant of ‘car troubles’ as another on this video already stated.
no reason to fly everyone to the same locale, book hotels, and race in an alien setting when 364 of the other days of the year they do the races from the comfort of their personal spaces.
He didn’t get disconnected. He pulled over the car because he couldn’t see anyone on track. It was a netcode problem that has long troubled GT Sport.
@@Z28Gaming ‘disconnect’ was a placeholder for any variant of ‘connection issue/net code’. the point being; random chance will always exist, real world or over the internet. consider the flights. perhaps one person traveling to the event has their plane crash & person dies… it makes not difference.
furthermore; we race in our rigs, at home. we started the hobby that way & it’s how we adapted to compete in the experience. such is the whole appeal of the experience, and what drew most of us to the platform in the first place. changing the whole environment for a tournament is to introduce many outside variables; such as some who have more excited nerves to external stimuli (an event arena/thousands of strangers etc) than others, thus giving advantage to the less excited, more focused in changing environment. i could go on, but hopefully this gets to the point
If your car has a technical difficulty, that was overlooked by the mechanics, which causes you to crash off the line, then the car will be forced to retire. Why would you expect something different in online 'SIM' racing?
This problem was caused by the known GT Sport glitch. But yes, I agree that if it’s solely the drivers internet that it’s their fault. The grid start bug has been a problem since the beta.
The Olympics take themselves waaay to seriously. I get having rules but its like they make them obnoxious just for the sake of it. This is a new sport and it isnt using real cars, where a reset would be a problem. This is a easy restart and doesn't mess with anyone's focus or mindset.
No to open another can of worms, but I believe the incident at DT Seaside between Beauvois and Brooks was a racing incident, they were like 3 wide in that corner, at that speed, what happened was inevitable. I don't believe Brooks should have been penalized, much less 5 seconds.
I would have to agree it’s a racing incident for the most part. However, I do think that Deafsun shouldn’t have gone that wide. He didn’t leave any room. Maybe a 1.5 second penalty would have been fair. Deafsun went all the way into the curb. He could have trail braked, left room and took the inside on the following turn. Trust me, they’re all good enough to do that. I know I can.
Even if they tried to restart the race 3 times due to Fraga’s internet issues it’s still a major problem. IMHO if they are going to allow a event to take place from your home & not have everyone in person at a specific location they must do everything in their power to allow the competitor/s compete. What would’ve happened if say it wasn’t only Fraga & it was the top 2 or even all 3 drivers who were having this issue. Would they just continue the race? Would they allow all 3 to be DQ? This is where many scenarios can come into play & to have no real backup plan is a shame tbf
You and I are on the same page. This is exactly where I’m getting at.
Why cant we pull them all together to be in the same room? I wouldn't trust something like this to the internet. Especially when everyone is all over the world. Some people will inevitably have a poor signal just due to the sheer distance between them and a server.
Exactly. So even if it was the Brazilians “internet” that’s not fair. He can’t control the netcode between him and the servers. It’s out of their control. To me it just doesn’t make sense to leave a competition up to your internet service provider, lol.
I get what you mean but faulty equipment is part of any sport. Furthermore, nothing prevented him from moving to some location with a better service. Mind you, if he cannot afford that, he sure as hell cannot afford moving his whole setup to japan ;)
I actually know his personal living situation because we met and he came over my house. He’s on the go often. Personally, I think this was a common GT Sport Lobby glitch that I’ve experienced for years. Sometimes a person just can’t connect properly. He was in the lobby, but couldn’t see cars on the track. That’s not his internet, just a glitch that has been around for a long time. The point is, this race wasn’t live. They should have explained things a bit more since they had the opportunity. It just seemed a bit unprofessional for an Olympic event, but I’m sure they’ll learn from this. I still think all events should be live and in person like when I competed. This online stuff just isn’t the same.
I feel they knew it could happen! But if it does then they would fix the problem! Like the city don’t put in cross walks entail a person dies !
Haha that’s actually a good way to put it in perspective. It’s kind of like when game companies releases games “knowing” that they’re full of bugs. They release “bug fixes” after all the complaints from us players lol. We’re beta testers.
@@Z28Gaming they know most people are stupid 😂
I agree with you because its Sim racing and it can be restarted fairly easily but if it were real life and your car fails....
Yeah, but this is a game. The car can’t fail and we can’t help our internet. Also, drivers in real life are getting paid money. They’re not...So a restart is necessary. Especially at the beginning...
You can't implement auto restarts for disconnects, because people who had a bad race would deliberately disconnect before 25%.
I mean it sucks for that guy. The host or moderator should have forced a restart based on the circumstances.
This has been mentioned a few times and I agree. Maybe 10% of the race and only 1 restart per race. But remember, he didn’t get disconnected in the video. He turned the car over because he couldn’t see the cars on the track. It was a GT Sport bug that has plagued the game since the beta.
@@Z28Gaming poor guy. Feel so bad for him.
Absolutely agree. Completely unfair. Bush league not to do a restart will all participants.
If they restart, and someone else has a problem. Do you do a second restart? If so, how many restarts do you cap it at? If you hit a cap. The last guy is really unfair in my opinion. I think it was handle the way it should've been. This is a "sports event". no other sports would do a "restart".
I think it should be 1 restart per race.
Also, we’re assuming it’s the drivers fault. I believe it’s a “netcode” issue that has been a problem for over 3 years in GT Sport lobbies. It just requires tedious lobbies to be closed and made fresh in order to fix it.
well, I think we should just see this as the issues in real life motorport. Sometimes REAL cars just don't want to start (wrc montecarlo 2000 and a ton of other examples), and the frustration i sreally big, but those kind of things happen. Just think of Carlo Sainz with the Corolla in 1998: 300 meters from the title the car just shut down. They had to call makinen at the airport just to tell him he was champion because of a techical failure few meters from the fionish of his opponent.... That's motorsport, and so the virtual motorsport.
I suppose the biggest difference is that real life drivers get paid...These guys aren’t...However, apparently they did try to restart and Fraga couldn’t connect. If that’s the case then tough luck for Fraga. That stinks
The pull to the side might have been because of glitch, or the game is automatically taking the car out by default? Not sure what happened with that. As for the unfairness of it, I totally feel for Fraga and I would be devastated if it were me. I do think that players are responsible for providing a working environment for their participation and that most definitely includes a high speed internet connection. Brazil has connection issues often, I race in N. America too. At the same time, it was literally at the beginning of the race, but it seemed like he had issues even before the race. It just sucks, he should have been able to race, but he could also had made more sure that he'd have no issues with IC...
Edit: I just read other comments explaining that this was actually the 3rd time they tried the race because of Fraga's IC, so it seems like it was the right thing to do. Apparently he twitted that..?
I just heard the same? I wonder if that’s actually true, or he was told to say that? Who knows, but I find it a bit odd. If you’re connected to the internet, you’re connected to the internet. A very low amount of bandwidth is required to maintain an online connection. Your ISP wouldn’t make cars “disappear” on the track. Personally, I don’t get it. But if he couldn’t connect, then obviously they should have continued the race. The commenters should have went into detail about this.
I just feel that every one of us has had issues with connectivity and servers. Haven’t we all been kicked out of lobbies from time to time? Idk, I just feel for the guy. You are right they should’ve said something right away though, maybe they didn’t because like I said, they wanted to maintain that feel of a live event. Love your content man!
Unless the new psvr2 is going to cover the entire game this time.
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Totally agree!
Glad to hear that 👍🏼🏁
What happened was unfair but this kind of stuff happens in all types of sports where a person only gets sidelined by something that is out of their control.
4 years is a long time but hopefully, that guy with internet issues will realize that his internet connection isn't up to prime time to compete in real life and he doesn't try using that same internet connection again.
I really think it was netcode related…GT Sport has had this bug where you “can’t see” cars on the track for a long time. That’s what happened here…Fraga said he had internet issues, but that doesn’t make much sense since he was connected to the lobby. Your ISP can’t really do anything about that.
Shows more problems in the gts scene, the lack of respect towards the people putting in hard work and then not get anything back. The inherent bugs in the game, we all know them, still not fixed, and even if it was connection or whatever, it wasn't over 50% done, so he should be able to restart. PD needs to get their act together because the whole management of these online events has been pathetic, terrible broadcasting, all there was seen was advertising of it. And what I find aswell, with pd being partnered with both toyota and mazda, in an 'olympics game', decisions on that level may be influenced towards those who drive for them, which should never be the case. A weak showing for both parties of olympics and pd for such events, there needs to be more communication, more clear.
I agree 100%. This is what I mean. Rules need to be made more CLEAR so everyone is aware of the situation. This event just made it seem like “oh well.” (Tough luck) So much time and practice was put into this. I just feel more of an effort should have been made.
@@Z28Gaming pretty much, very half-arsed event, they had an opportunity to let everyone see how fun racing can be in esports. Instead we got a fairly meh race with a bitter taste for any fan of racing. Missed opportunity, again, could have been a great launch for the whole esports scene and just general gaming, yet it got kinda ruined.
@@fusionsniping3741 Hopefully they can bring it back. (I think they will with live events) Having the event in person would solve a lot of problems.
@@Z28Gaming most likely, but I think there's still general room for improvement on the events
@@fusionsniping3741 I can't disagree with that at all. Sometimes it feels more like a marketing event.
Yeah, that's completely not fair. It's that Brazilian McDonald's wifi that got him disconnected.
All seriousness though, that is extremely lame. Given the fact that's it's online; they should allow a certain amount of restarts due to connectivity issues. He got hosed.
4:18 😂🤣
Lmao 😂 But yeah, it didn’t seem fair at all to me. I can’t imagine how I would feel.
I think the rules need to be crystal clear and I feel bad for the Fraga (great guy). I do not have a problem if they made the rule that someone with equipment issues is dnf. In the real Olympics if your ski breaks you are out. Same with allmost every sport that has equipment. It is brutal if an athlete trains for 4 years in poll vault and they dnf because their poll breaks. Sucks big time but the athlete is responsible for their equipment.
If the rules were clear and the commentators laid everything out, then I would understand. But you can tell that nobody was on the same page. That’s the main issue...This is an Olympic event...I personally think this was a netcode problem with the typical GT Sport problems that they’ve had for years. But nobody will ever know for sure. Fraga said that he was speaking with his ISP trying to fix something? But that doesn’t make any sense because the recording didn’t have a delay. It’s just a lot of questions.
@@Z28Gaming you are right if the rules weren't clear or if this was a pd problem then shame on them. I does seem like the Fraga ISP line is Fraga helping pd save face. Maybe not but something does not feel right.
@@davidorr4457 Yep, that’s exactly what I’m thinking it is…🤫
They should all race under one stadium (being physically there) like how they do League of Legends Worlds.
I agree 100%. This kind of racing needs to be in person 🏁🏁
I hear you but it’s not the organization responsibility to ensure your connection is solid. Some drivers play on, gulp, WiFi which is spotty already. I’ve been fortunate to have a solid connection due me buying hardware to ensure that. Yes, I don’t have control from the isp side of things but I we have full control on the networking hardware on our side.
In short, it sucks but the show must go on.
I’m not disagree with that at all. Apparently they did try to restart the race. That makes me feel better...If this is true, you’re right. They need to continue.
Anyway, if your gearbox breaks at the start of a real race, nobody's gonna stop and tell "hey let's replay", it's sport, it's not fair, it happens...
Yeah, but this is a netcode problem and the driver can’t help it. This is a long term bug from GTS.
@@Z28Gaming it's definitely raging for sure, the question need to get evaluated for sure but the 25% rule might just cause mysterious unconnexion from bad start drivers... But this need to proffessionnalise for sure !
@@air_piepie2052 I agree 100%! 🏁🏁🏁 Thanks for the message 💪🏼
Like in Real Races. If your tire explodes at the start? Restart? Its the Tiremakers fault? Doesnt make sense. Sure it´s sad for him. But not the fault of any other player or the organizer of the tournament. The only way to fix this issue is to put all of them in the same room with the same setup and connection. If a storm is in his region they should make the race the next day? Or 2 weeks later? Wouldnt be fair for everyone else.
But anyway it´s strange that they didnt do it live.
They used to do “live” events when I competed back in 2018-2019. It all stopped after Covid. I just don’t like the online aspect. Too many variables…I agree this kind of stuff should only be live.
I don't quite agree. I would consider a connection issue as some kind of technical issue, you could get in IRL racing as well. You can't keep restarting due to that, because it would be abusable. For example if your Start doesn't go as desired, you could just cut your connection and force a restart. Imagine that for a big grid of cars. So i guess the connection issue is something you have to deal with in virtual racing, as real racing has to deal with engine, drivetrain or tire failures. On the other hand, if it's a known Bug in a certain game (like presumably in this case) then i would argue, that a restart would be well justified.
It’s tough. In real life the racers are getting paid. Nobody is making money here and it’s a video game. I don’t see how a simple restart would be a problem.
Mechanical failure in real race is a DNF. Nobody will wait for you to repair your car and restart later. Technical failure in E-sport should be the same, they must have schedule to keep. Personally, i'm kinda happy that Fraga did not get a second chance to cheat is way to a win.
I agree with this point 100%. My main issue is that their was lack of communication with the viewers & commentators. Clearly nobody had any idea what was going on. The rules need to be laid out clear. If someone disconnects and they want to call that a DNF, then that’s fine. But everyone needs to be on the same page. Personally, I think it was a netcode issue because he couldn’t see cars on the track. That has happened tons of times in my lobbies. I’ve restarted the entire lobby and it worked. In terms of “cheating” with Fraga I assume you’re talking about that “lift” he did a while back on the straight?
@@Z28Gaming Yes i'm talking about the "lift" at the top of eau rouge, where nobody needs to lift. I find that to be unsportsmanship an it goes against "race etiquette". He still won even with a 5 sec penalty. I also agree with you about communication.
@@vinchinno I agree with you on your point as well.
I am for it, but also not.
It's a game and not a real life situation where it is impossible to reset the race after start... On the other hand if it gets possible to reset the race if someone gets disconnected, it might lead to racers deliberately disconnecting if they had a bad start or for any other reason.
That’s true. I just think they should go back to “live events” to avoid all of this.
the problem with this too, is that its easy for a driver to take advantage of this type of thing, and say hey im not doing too well so let me pretend to have connection issues and restart the races, this can happen literally every time since it is an allowable rule. so what happened to fraga is 100% fair in my opinion, if your vehicle is having problems, you cannot blame the manufacturer for having a crack in your intake manifold, then restarting the race, when 99% of the field was ready. thats just something thats gonna have to play a role in the scene. with that being said, it is the organizations fault for not flying them out to one location on a hosted network like EVERY OTHER ESPORT..
Wow, that’s a really good point. Obviously this wasn’t on purpose here, but that’s good thinking. I’m not a fan of virtual racing for this very reason. Back in 2018 when I went to the world finals and met everyone in person is how it should be. It should be live on a stage to avoid this. But obviously other countries aren’t ready for travel this year and I think this was a bit forced.
@@Z28Gaming 100% just an unfortunate series of events, i do believe they restarted a few times as well
That's just wrong, they had no right to disqualify someone due to internet connection.....
This is exactly why I am an offline gamer and why I don't compete in e-sports
Honestly, I agree that they should've gave the guy a break, it's not his fault that he got disconnected, it's just asinine........
To be honest. I think it was the very common “GT Sport Glitch” where someone in the lobby can’t see any cars on the track. (Fraga said that he couldn’t see anyone) This tells me he obviously was online and connected because he pulled to the side…I’ve had this issue in my lobbies all the time. The only way to fix is to close the entire lobby and restart fresh. Personally, I think it was a glitch and not an internet problem…
Dang Igor...when EVERYONE knows he's one of the best in the world, they know he's not going to just forfeit. Same thing kinda happened with me and Turismolester in a daily...I immediately got out and rejoined him. BS!!!
Just occurred to me that you referenced Turismo-lester…. My first read was Turis-molester … I was like whut 😮 lol
I totally disagree. Yes, it sucks for him. Doing restarts would open a whole new crazy can of worms that would get ridiculous.
This is assuming that it's the drivers fault...It seems to have been a netcode issue which is actually a common GT Sport problem. It's important to evaluate the situation and let the viewers know what's going on. This is the Olympics and also a video game. Correct protocol needs to be clear if it's going to be taken seriously. I want esports to grow, but they need more rules for this kind of thing. iRacing servers are much more stable.
It shouldn't be an online competition. It should be direct LAN at a specific location like...oh idk...Tokyo 🙄.
100% agree. I personally think these events need to be live and in person. It's just too complicated otherwise.
Restarting the race could be annoying for the persons that did have a decent start, plus it could be abused by people whom didn't have a good start by pulling the cord of their router or something similar.
It's not the greatest time with that Covid-crap going on to be doing something like this, normally al contestants would be in the same room and any technical challenge would be Polyphony's responsibility. I understand what you are saying, but when a real life runner trains for four years and twists his ankle on his way off the track after a decent first race, it's just bad luck for that person. Sad but true :(
I think my point is that the live events need to keep the “viewers” notified as to what is going on. Also, indicate rules for this kind of thing.
Another issue is that people keep assuming it was Fraga’s internet. It’s possible that polyphony has told him to say he had internet issues. (We have no idea) Something seems a bit weird because I’ve seen this “bug” in the lobbies where a player “can’t see” any cars and the lobby needs to be restarted. It’s a netcode problem and has been going on for over 3 years. He was connected to the internet, but couldn’t see people…This was also recorded live, but uploaded a week later…Meaning that the live footage wasn’t edited, so no way they tried to work this out. If it was edited, then why didn’t they elaborate on the situation? Something was just very unprofessional how it was handled and needs to be different in the future. That’s my point…This was one of the biggest competitors who went into this race 2nd place. I want esports to grow, but this needs to be taken more seriously.
AT LEAST if esports will be held in people's homes it should not be held on the scale of the Olympics. Just a thought.
I can’t disagree with that.
Ah, the feeling of practicing for a week for a race, only for the organizers to screw up the server settings and disconnect you after lap 1. Can't imagine that happening in the fuckin olympics. Events like this need to be LAN, there just isnt a way to prevent connection issues over the internet. Netcode can ruin races just as easily as a disconnect.
Yeah man. I think this is all netcode. That sucks so bad to practice and this to happen.
It's fair. If you can't race then you're out. That goes for any race in the Olympics whether it's your fault or not.
Assuming it’s the drivers fault. I don’t think it was. GT Sport has a very common “netcode” issue that doesn’t allow someone to “see cars” on the track. That’s not related to the drivers internet. The only way to fix it is to shut down the entire lobby again and restart. We’re assuming it’s the drivers fault, but it’s not.
This is why these events need to be live.
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Man that sucks. It doesn't honestly seem very fair. It happens IRL too though via mechanical issues. That said, I feel this is more unfair, because it was likely a server issue. I feel like this was a very large oversight. There honestly should have been a fair course of action planned for something like this. Sucks for Fraga. I was hoping to see him finish well. I do wonder who makes this type of call though. If it's the olympic Committee then, fair or not, it honestly makes sense. Would be the same as not being able to make it to an actual event on time because your bus broke down. Still sucks though.
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I see all the post about Igors stream about it. Didn't see those early. Sad deal for him for sure!! I feel bad for the guy, He was competing on a level most of us will never hope to.
Yeah I didn’t know either. Apparently he did have internet issues and they tried to restart. If that’s the case, oh well...Nothing they can do, but rules & regulations need to be made if they want to continue a virtual series.
@@Z28Gaming 100% agree
Did you see the Euro's ( football as we call it. ) a player collapsed in the game, they replayed the game. In other sports when something has gone wrong, even in F1, they restart the race. What happened was a joke, and to not be allowed to race again, i guess for him, that would be heart breaking.
It’s even more complicated than this now. Apparently they did try to restart and his internet couldn’t handle it? None of this was mentioned live. I don’t like how all of this is in the dark. Is it possible they told Fraga to say certain things? I don’t know, it’s just weird.
@@Z28Gaming WOW, that certainly makes this even more interesting? You could say, they would not want to admit the servers ( location) were not ideal for all players, a minor problem if your planning a global race and maybe they didnt want to announce that?
@VillanUK....erm no....they finished the game
I look at disconnects like a blown engine. Blown engines are not something any team plans for, but failures happen in racing. I have disconnected in league races twice this year. Cost me any shot of 1st in one league and the other league the top driver is an alien.
But in motorsports and sim racing, I have been equating Disconnects as blown engine or transmission. If this was a Tekken tournament or something where it is 1v1, yeah, you got to fix it. But in a race, dozens of competitors, it is what it is. It is a gift to get one restart for better connections.
Not a lost cylinder or flat tire....that is lag is hitting.
Assuming it’s the drivers fault. I don’t think it was. GT Sport has a very common “netcode” issue that doesn’t allow someone to “see cars” on the track. That’s not related to the drivers internet. The only way to fix it is to shut down the entire lobby again and restart. We’re assuming it’s the drivers fault, but it’s not.
This is why these events need to be live.
@@Z28Gaming I’m just stating in general with racing esports, just takes a random ping from ISP and your offline from the servers. Just like you can have a failing injector run you lean and send your motor the to moon.
@@mentalhealthracing Yeah, but that’s not the same. We have to remember this is a video game. Fortunately we have the ability to correct these issues for a good race. Real life is a lot different. These racers are also making $0 for attending the race. I think starting the grid appropriately would make more sense.
@@Z28Gaming I'm sorry, I thought this was a simulation. Can't have real life failures and issues happen in simulation racing? We can agree to disagree. All good. I appreciate the other perspective. At least they tried to fix the issue several times prior. Like you mentioned, would have been good to mention in the recapping broadcast.
This event should not have occurred the way it did for this reason, olympic sport so should be held at a venue like any other olympic sport, any olympic sport the platform is provided for the competition and the competitor, should have been here, yes I know covid but that hasn't stopped other sports
The Olympic announcers were not very good. Jimmy is great, Tom is great off camera, and Julia has gotten better. Honestly, I think someone like Adventure James would be better on camera than Tom and WAY Better than that race car driver who could barely speak English (whoever that guy is, not interested in finding out because he's so bad at being useful to the viewer). My 6 year old could've provided that level of color. TERRIBLE. Last, finding this race online has proven a challenge in itself. Promotion is craptastic at best. The racing, however, was amazing and captivating. Such a shame everything around it is/was so poorly executed.
I wish it was live. The event would have been so much better. The world just sucks now for travel…
Should be iracing and vr also.
I agree VR would be fun to watch and more immersive.
In my opinion the race should have restarted, for that this game is a complete yoke, i leaved this game (Sport Mode) 2 years ago, the Sony online infrastructure It's sad, for that i moved for complete to ACC, this issues no happend in PC
I agree. I also think it was a netcode issue…