Sorry to correct you, but ... _"... you see _*_Kreis_*_ which does not necessarily mean sphere primarily means circle ..."_ - as a native German speaker, I can assure you that _Kreis_ means *exactly* _circle_ and *never* means sphere.
Once again a wonderful video from Dan for helping clarify the text for us. Clearly the writers of the Bible wrote things with their understanding of their day and time. We can still read the Bible for ancient wisdom and spirituality, but it is not a science text.
this is not the prophets understanding.its gods word.the prophets are just a pencil.so yes the bible stated that the earht is a circle long time before science knew it.yes the bible is not a book about science its first and foremost about how to be saved by jesus.the genesis talks about the blood the answers about body condition.god knew this long time before any doctor.so yes all the prophesies are fullfilled exept the mark of the beast and the return of jesus.
The Bible is inspired by GOD. He knows a thing or two about His creation. He says it's flat and stationary and the sun & moon move above us. I believe Him over man.
@@penelopepittstopP (Respectfully), the Bible NEVER MENTIONS "Earth" (capitalized, proper noun, referring to our entire world/planet by name). The Bible only ever mentions "earth (uncapitalized, common noun, referring to the land, a country/territory/region or its people, the ground, or the soil). When the Bible talks about the "earth" not moving it's referring to the LAND not moving physically or to a COUNTRY not faltering/tottering-and is not referring to the planet/world and its celestial mechanics. The relevant portion of 2 Sam. 11:11 is better rendered as 'open field' and the rendering "flat earthe" in Matthew's Bible refers contextually to the LAND too, not to the planet. Contemporary flat "Earth" advocates ROUTINELY illustrate their interpretation of scripture with drawings depicting THE ENTIRE WORLD/PLANET as a flat disk but the Bible NEVER MENTIONS the entire world/planet using Hebrew or Greek words that would call for the rendering "Earth." The flat Earth advocates are mistaking "earth" (land, country) in the text for "Earth" (planet) when they read and interpret the ENGLISH Bible. This earth/Earth distinction in English doesn't exist in the Hebrew Old Testament, from which a majority of flat Earth interpretation passages are sourced, because biblical Hebrew doesn't have capital letters and because the conception of the place where we live being a planet-like Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn were SEEN to be planets ('wandering stars') in biblical times-is a MODERN conception, only gradually accepted/adopted since Copernicus, hence the modern NEED for the planetary name "Earth."
In the Bible, Isaiah 40:22, the world is described as rounded or as a globe. Are there any other manuscripts from any other religion describing the world rounded as well? Yeshayahu/Isaiah called Planet Earth: חוג הארץ Chug Ha’aretz. Sphere of the Earth. The word חוג Chug means Sphere in Hebrew. Sphere and Globe are the same words, except globe usually indicates a scale model. Sphere of Earth means very specifically the Planet Earth. Here is Yeshayahu’s word חוג Chug on Morfix. מילון ותרגום מורפיקס Morfix Dictionary | חוג באנגלית It says: Sphere! This is a sphere pictured in the image below. It is not flat. It has a center, and is round: Sphere is a perfect description of earth. We live in North, South East, West Hemispheres. They are part of the earth which is a sphere, not a flat circle. Chug is not a word denoting a flat circle. The word מעגל Ma’agal means specifically circle. As you can see here: מילון ותרגום מורפיקס Morfix Dictionary | מַעְגָּל באנגלית Isaiah did not write מעגל Ma’agal/Circle. But even had he had written Ma’agal that would be quite good enough. However, Chug is so incredibly particular, meaning sphere in geography. This is truly an amazing prophecy. The fact that Yeshayahu described the Earth as a sphere in the 8th century BCE, c. 710 BC before anyone else, demonstrates the scientific accuracy of Jewish prophecy. The notion of a spherical earth did not appear in writing until 350 years after Yeshayahu wrote these words: The first person, following Isaiah, to write the earth was a globe, was the Greek philosopher Plato in his work Phaedo dated c. 360 BC. My conviction is that the Earth is a round body in the centre of the heavens, and therefore has no need of air or of any similar force to be a support. Plato did not say where he got this conviction. He did not say he learned it from Pythagorus. Pythagorus didn’t write it. Plato did. And Plato did not explain it based on empirical observation. The centre of the heavens? What’s that? What center is that? Plato explains that the Earth doesn’t fall because it is in a state of equipoise in the heavens: For that which, being in equipoise, is in the center of that which is equably diffused, will not incline any way in any degree, but will always remain in the same state and not deviate. This is not even a vaguely rudimentary description of gravity, because the Earth is not held up by being in a state of “equipoise”, or equable diffusion in the heavenly realm. But by the exertion of gravitational force from the sun. It is attracted to the sun and that’s what keeps it from flying away. And the sun, our solar system, is not held in heaven via equipoise either; instead our solar system moves orbits the milky way. And our galaxy, the Milky Way, is not stationary either. So there is no state of equipoise anywhere. But exertions of gravitational force throughout the universe. Thus the science Plato provides is just an attempt at giving some professional sounding gobbledygook to back up a theory he did not himself develop. In fact, the fellow who raises the question, Simmias, asks Socrates: I have myself heard many descriptions of the earth, but I do not know and should very much like to know in which you put your faith. Simmias has heard many descriptions. No doubt Simmias had heard the description of earth that the Jews advanced, that which Hashem told Yeshayahu through prophecy. Plato chooses one of these descriptions, the best one. That of the Jewish people. Plato’s notion of the earth’s roundness itself, therefore, seems to have been originated out of thin air, written by Plato without any empirical basis. Just belief. As his attempt at explaining how he arrived at this conclusion does not depend on scientific observation whatsoever. But his own fabricated pseudo-science. Knowledge that the earth was a sphere no doubt came from Judaism, through prophecy. That’s how it permeated the scholarly world without any explanation. Only conviction
One interesting passage is Isaiah 22:18, "He will roll you up tightly like a ball and throw you into a large country." There is the word that usually means ball, dûwr, used in Hebrew. If God was talking about a sphere why use the word usually rendered circle rather than the word rendered ball? I don't know Hebrew that much, but from what I understand this word would have conveyed 'ball' better than "khug". Maybe Dan could elaborate what the semantic difference between these words are?
From my perspective this is not a problem as more than likely this is just a person writing saying "God says" just as happens today. When people write for God, he always seems to know what people already know. They knew the earth to be a disk and flat, so "God" speaks that way as well.
@@xaayer God cannot lie. God says the earth is like "CLAY UNDER THE SEAL"... If satan were to SPIN a tale and send mankind's imagination whirling in outer space along with a spinning ball we think we live on. Putting the SUN at the center of all things with everything rotating around it therefore making us just a speck in an infinite universe (not significant at all) ... Well, that would be a great accomplishment for satan, wouldn't it? That would bring evolution to the table quite easily. But the whole world would not believe such a thing, right? How could everyone be in on SUCH a tall tale? That is impossiBALL, right? Well, if you don't think humanity could be tricked at large then you just may believe Covid came from a bat in china. We now see it's not hard for the whole world to be seduced and deceived. We watched it happen so it's not so far fetched.
@xaayer so you mean people in bible wrote "god said xxx", without actually getting it from god, just as today. Is this supposed to improve the case for god?
Hey Dan! a long time subscriber from the tik tok platform, I very much enjoy your unbiased informative videos that always seem to incorporate all sides of narratives and historical accuracy vs common mythology and the translations of word because they always seem to teach or shed light on previously under appreciated aspects of our species. Im very hyped on your transition you announced to further your career and cant wait to see more of your work on social platforms! As a fan I would really enjoy and appreciate seeing more "timeline" related content when referring to the progression and migration of languages and prehistoric man, maybe a longer series breaking down each of the major civilizations and cultures in some type of order of relevance? thank you for reading and posting :)
Thank you for this video and all of your work! Would you mind listing these books or sources so that we can also be able to do further study? Thank you again.
Kreis never means sphere in German. It means circle and has the same figurative meanings of circle and it can also refer to a rural district, but has never three dimensions. Greetings from Germany
@getasimbe chuwg can mean sphere in Hebrew... it describes earth b and heaven. .. if it's only circle... then you loose your dome argument for heaven Actually it doesn't mean dome ... it means sphere Mesopotamia didn't have one cosmoginy They also had 7 levels of flat heaven ... no dome Egyptians considered the substance of their gods mysterious and not literal Babylon also had an sphere oid heaven Hebrew means raqiya flyers fly in the raqiya as sub strate so it can't be hard ... they'd never get above it if so
Joseph Sasson, Rabbi in Torah Study, Yeshiva In the Bible, Isaiah 40:22, the world is described as rounded or as a globe. Are there any other manuscripts from any other religion describing the world rounded as well? Yeshayahu/Isaiah called Planet Earth: חוג הארץ Chug Ha’aretz. Sphere of the Earth. The word חוג Chug means Sphere in Hebrew. Sphere and Globe are the same words, except globe usually indicates a scale model. Sphere of Earth means very specifically the Planet Earth. Here is Yeshayahu’s word חוג Chug on Morfix. מילון ותרגום מורפיקס Morfix Dictionary | חוג באנגלית It says: Sphere! This is a sphere pictured in the image below. It is not flat. It has a center, and is round: Sphere is a perfect description of earth. We live in North, South East, West Hemispheres. They are part of the earth which is a sphere, not a flat circle. Chug is not a word denoting a flat circle. The word מעגל Ma’agal means specifically circle. As you can see here: מילון ותרגום מורפיקס Morfix Dictionary | מַעְגָּל באנגלית Isaiah did not write מעגל Ma’agal/Circle. But even had he had written Ma’agal that would be quite good enough. However, Chug is so incredibly particular, meaning sphere in geography. This is truly an amazing prophecy. The fact that Yeshayahu described the Earth as a sphere in the 8th century BCE, c. 710 BC before anyone else, demonstrates the scientific accuracy of Jewish prophecy. The notion of a spherical earth did not appear in writing until 350 years after Yeshayahu wrote these words: The first person, following Isaiah, to write the earth was a globe, was the Greek philosopher Plato in his work Phaedo dated c. 360 BC. My conviction is that the Earth is a round body in the centre of the heavens, and therefore has no need of air or of any similar force to be a support. Plato did not say where he got this conviction. He did not say he learned it from Pythagorus. Pythagorus didn’t write it. Plato did. And Plato did not explain it based on empirical observation. The centre of the heavens? What’s that? What center is that? Plato explains that the Earth doesn’t fall because it is in a state of equipoise in the heavens: For that which, being in equipoise, is in the center of that which is equably diffused, will not incline any way in any degree, but will always remain in the same state and not deviate. This is not even a vaguely rudimentary description of gravity, because the Earth is not held up by being in a state of “equipoise”, or equable diffusion in the heavenly realm. But by the exertion of gravitational force from the sun. It is attracted to the sun and that’s what keeps it from flying away. And the sun, our solar system, is not held in heaven via equipoise either; instead our solar system moves orbits the milky way. And our galaxy, the Milky Way, is not stationary either. So there is no state of equipoise anywhere. But exertions of gravitational force throughout the universe. Thus the science Plato provides is just an attempt at giving some professional sounding gobbledygook to back up a theory he did not himself develop. In fact, the fellow who raises the question, Simmias, asks Socrates: I have myself heard many descriptions of the earth, but I do not know and should very much like to know in which you put your faith. Simmias has heard many descriptions. No doubt Simmias had heard the description of earth that the Jews advanced, that which Hashem told Yeshayahu through prophecy. Plato chooses one of these descriptions, the best one. That of the Jewish people. Plato’s notion of the earth’s roundness itself, therefore, seems to have been originated out of thin air, written by Plato without any empirical basis. Just belief. As his attempt at explaining how he arrived at this conclusion does not depend on scientific observation whatsoever. But his own fabricated pseudo-science. Knowledge that the earth was a sphere no doubt came from Judaism, through prophecy. That’s how it permeated the scholarly world without any explanation. Only conviction
Just going to throw this out there... The Hebrew Bible was written from (roughly) 1200-165BC. The Greeks certainly new the world was round, and it's likely the Egyptians did as well. It's certainly possible the writers of the Hebrew Bible knew it or had at least heard the theory. Now, does this contradict anything in the video? No. What's written is written. It's pretty plain that they meant "circle" and not "globe" or "sphere". I'd just like to point out that they may have known it was in fact a sphere and chose to use the word circle instead. And it's also possible they either didn't know or simply didn't buy into the theory of a spherical Earth.
@@SlimThrull that's funny because all the images from "space" show it perfectly round. How many flat surfaces make an "oblate sphereoid" sounds like something Neil deGrass Tyson would say.
@@SlimThrull it's magic. LOL "A sphere is a curved geometric body with only one rounded surface - a circular face. As a result, it does not have any edges or vertices. Edges are the segments where faces meet. Since there is only one face, they cannot be formed. In the same way, vertices cannot be created because they are the points where the edges meet, and a sphere does not have any." The Word says the earth has edges, it's not a sphere nor and oblate sphere according to the Bible.
The word "globe" is not in the Bible. The book of Job explains it well. It even talks about the pillars of the Earth and how the Earth is like The Creator's footstool. Job-38
@@CalebResponds When Assyrians surrounding your city are saying you’re going to eat poop and drink pee, you don’t start debating the shape of the earth. Or do you?
@@way2tehdawn There are some flat earth Christians who have taken that passage as literal claiming it states the earth is flat. There are other Christians who claim it’s metaphorical, and still others who try to spilt the difference. And then there are other Christians who will go off bad translations and claim that the word “disk” or “circle” really meant sphere. Amongst Christians there is no broad agreement.
There is also no broad agreement amongst Christians as to whether or not God intended to kill Moses in Exodus 4:24-26 24 At a lodging place on the way, the Lord met Moses and was about to kill him. 25 But Zipporah took a flint knife, cut off her son’s foreskin and touched Moses’ feet with it. “Surely you are a bridegroom of blood to me,” she said. 26 So the Lord let him alone.
Also let’s not forget that there are multiple groups of Christians who will argue about the exact fate of Jephthah’s daughter in Judges 11 29-40 despite the fact that it literally says that Jephthah did as he vowed. 29 Then the Spirit of the Lord came on Jephthah. He crossed Gilead and Manasseh, passed through Mizpah of Gilead, and from there he advanced against the Ammonites. 30 And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord: “If you give the Ammonites into my hands, 31 whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites will be the Lord’s, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering.” 32 Then Jephthah went over to fight the Ammonites, and the Lord gave them into his hands. 33 He devastated twenty towns from Aroer to the vicinity of Minnith, as far as Abel Keramim. Thus Israel subdued Ammon. 34 When Jephthah returned to his home in Mizpah, who should come out to meet him but his daughter, dancing to the sound of timbrels! She was an only child. Except for her he had neither son nor daughter. 35 When he saw her, he tore his clothes and cried, “Oh no, my daughter! You have brought me down and I am devastated. I have made a vow to the Lord that I cannot break.” 36 “My father,” she replied, “you have given your word to the Lord. Do to me just as you promised, now that the Lord has avenged you of your enemies, the Ammonites. 37 But grant me this one request,” she said. “Give me two months to roam the hills and weep with my friends, because I will never marry.” 38 “You may go,” he said. And he let her go for two months. She and her friends went into the hills and wept because she would never marry. 39 After the two months, she returned to her father, and he did to her as he had vowed. And she was a virgin. From this comes the Israelite tradition 40 that each year the young women of Israel go out for four days to commemorate the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite.
What do you mean by first? If it's the manuscripts that are dated oldest, use the earliest linguistics, or other? Because none of those have all of the canonical texts (in the sense most people think of that term) in their entirety
@@AtheistRex It's why athiests stay atheists . "Christians" won't even believe what GOD says in the Bible about the earth and if I were an atheist and saw so-called christians believing in the spinning ball globe I would wonder why they don't even believe what they claim they believe IN????!!!
Joseph Sasson, Rabbi in Torah Study, Yeshiva In the Bible, Isaiah 40:22, the world is described as rounded or as a globe. Are there any other manuscripts from any other religion describing the world rounded as well? Yeshayahu/Isaiah called Planet Earth: חוג הארץ Chug Ha’aretz. Sphere of the Earth. The word חוג Chug means Sphere in Hebrew. Sphere and Globe are the same words, except globe usually indicates a scale model. Sphere of Earth means very specifically the Planet Earth. Here is Yeshayahu’s word חוג Chug on Morfix. מילון ותרגום מורפיקס Morfix Dictionary | חוג באנגלית It says: Sphere! This is a sphere pictured in the image below. It is not flat. It has a center, and is round: Sphere is a perfect description of earth. We live in North, South East, West Hemispheres. They are part of the earth which is a sphere, not a flat circle. Chug is not a word denoting a flat circle. The word מעגל Ma’agal means specifically circle. As you can see here: מילון ותרגום מורפיקס Morfix Dictionary | מַעְגָּל באנגלית Isaiah did not write מעגל Ma’agal/Circle. But even had he had written Ma’agal that would be quite good enough. However, Chug is so incredibly particular, meaning sphere in geography. This is truly an amazing prophecy. The fact that Yeshayahu described the Earth as a sphere in the 8th century BCE, c. 710 BC before anyone else, demonstrates the scientific accuracy of Jewish prophecy. The notion of a spherical earth did not appear in writing until 350 years after Yeshayahu wrote these words: The first person, following Isaiah, to write the earth was a globe, was the Greek philosopher Plato in his work Phaedo dated c. 360 BC. My conviction is that the Earth is a round body in the centre of the heavens, and therefore has no need of air or of any similar force to be a support. Plato did not say where he got this conviction. He did not say he learned it from Pythagorus. Pythagorus didn’t write it. Plato did. And Plato did not explain it based on empirical observation. The centre of the heavens? What’s that? What center is that? Plato explains that the Earth doesn’t fall because it is in a state of equipoise in the heavens: For that which, being in equipoise, is in the center of that which is equably diffused, will not incline any way in any degree, but will always remain in the same state and not deviate. This is not even a vaguely rudimentary description of gravity, because the Earth is not held up by being in a state of “equipoise”, or equable diffusion in the heavenly realm. But by the exertion of gravitational force from the sun. It is attracted to the sun and that’s what keeps it from flying away. And the sun, our solar system, is not held in heaven via equipoise either; instead our solar system moves orbits the milky way. And our galaxy, the Milky Way, is not stationary either. So there is no state of equipoise anywhere. But exertions of gravitational force throughout the universe. Thus the science Plato provides is just an attempt at giving some professional sounding gobbledygook to back up a theory he did not himself develop. In fact, the fellow who raises the question, Simmias, asks Socrates: I have myself heard many descriptions of the earth, but I do not know and should very much like to know in which you put your faith. Simmias has heard many descriptions. No doubt Simmias had heard the description of earth that the Jews advanced, that which Hashem told Yeshayahu through prophecy. Plato chooses one of these descriptions, the best one. That of the Jewish people. Plato’s notion of the earth’s roundness itself, therefore, seems to have been originated out of thin air, written by Plato without any empirical basis. Just belief. As his attempt at explaining how he arrived at this conclusion does not depend on scientific observation whatsoever. But his own fabricated pseudo-science. Knowledge that the earth was a sphere no doubt came from Judaism, through prophecy. That’s how it permeated the scholarly world without any explanation. Only conviction
You are wrong. This word means doesn't mean "a circle", it means "to circle" (see psalm 107, 27). It basically means that the universe has its periodic motions and cycles, but God is "sitting", as in doesn't adhere to the laws of nature for he is above them.
The same Hebrew word can also mean Compass. In proverbs 8:27 the same Hebrew word is used but they translate it into the KJV as Compass. It’s possible Isaiah 40:22 is actually supposed to say compass of the earth too. Also there is no ancient Hebrew word for “sphere”.
@@Checkmate777 That seems to be how Jerome understood it in the late 4th century CE. "Qui sedet super gyrum terrae" - could be understood as "[he] who sits upon the circuit of the earth".
@@Checkmate777 Jason Sasson, Torah Study, Yeshiva In the Bible, Isaiah 40:22, the world is described as rounded or as a globe. Are there any other manuscripts from any other religion describing the world rounded as well? Yeshayahu/Isaiah called Planet Earth: חוג הארץ Chug Ha’aretz. Sphere of the Earth. The word חוג Chug means Sphere in Hebrew. Sphere and Globe are the same words, except globe usually indicates a scale model. Sphere of Earth means very specifically the Planet Earth. Here is Yeshayahu’s word חוג Chug on Morfix. מילון ותרגום מורפיקס Morfix Dictionary | חוג באנגלית It says: Sphere! This is a sphere pictured in the image below. It is not flat. It has a center, and is round: Sphere is a perfect description of earth. We live in North, South East, West Hemispheres. They are part of the earth which is a sphere, not a flat circle. Chug is not a word denoting a flat circle. The word מעגל Ma’agal means specifically circle. As you can see here: מילון ותרגום מורפיקס Morfix Dictionary | מַעְגָּל באנגלית Isaiah did not write מעגל Ma’agal/Circle. But even had he had written Ma’agal that would be quite good enough. However, Chug is so incredibly particular, meaning sphere in geography. This is truly an amazing prophecy. The fact that Yeshayahu described the Earth as a sphere in the 8th century BCE, c. 710 BC before anyone else, demonstrates the scientific accuracy of Jewish prophecy. The notion of a spherical earth did not appear in writing until 350 years after Yeshayahu wrote these words: The first person, following Isaiah, to write the earth was a globe, was the Greek philosopher Plato in his work Phaedo dated c. 360 BC. My conviction is that the Earth is a round body in the centre of the heavens, and therefore has no need of air or of any similar force to be a support. Plato did not say where he got this conviction. He did not say he learned it from Pythagorus. Pythagorus didn’t write it. Plato did. And Plato did not explain it based on empirical observation. The centre of the heavens? What’s that? What center is that? Plato explains that the Earth doesn’t fall because it is in a state of equipoise in the heavens: For that which, being in equipoise, is in the center of that which is equably diffused, will not incline any way in any degree, but will always remain in the same state and not deviate. This is not even a vaguely rudimentary description of gravity, because the Earth is not held up by being in a state of “equipoise”, or equable diffusion in the heavenly realm. But by the exertion of gravitational force from the sun. It is attracted to the sun and that’s what keeps it from flying away. And the sun, our solar system, is not held in heaven via equipoise either; instead our solar system moves orbits the milky way. And our galaxy, the Milky Way, is not stationary either. So there is no state of equipoise anywhere. But exertions of gravitational force throughout the universe. Thus the science Plato provides is just an attempt at giving some professional sounding gobbledygook to back up a theory he did not himself develop. In fact, the fellow who raises the question, Simmias, asks Socrates: I have myself heard many descriptions of the earth, but I do not know and should very much like to know in which you put your faith. Simmias has heard many descriptions. No doubt Simmias had heard the description of earth that the Jews advanced, that which Hashem told Yeshayahu through prophecy. Plato chooses one of these descriptions, the best one. That of the Jewish people. Plato’s notion of the earth’s roundness itself, therefore, seems to have been originated out of thin air, written by Plato without any empirical basis. Just belief. As his attempt at explaining how he arrived at this conclusion does not depend on scientific observation whatsoever. But his own fabricated pseudo-science. Knowledge that the earth was a sphere no doubt came from Judaism, through prophecy. That’s how it permeated the scholarly world without any explanation. Only conviction
@DanMcClellan The very first Bible translated into English from Aribmaic /Latin/Greek was the John Wycliffe Bible of 1390. That's well before Geneva Bible. And in Isaiah 40:22 it does not say the circle of the earth or the ball of the Earth. It says "the compass of the Earth" and we all know what a compass looks like "That stuff is flat"
Dan is saying that the Bible does not predict modern knowledge from our deep past. He is not claiming that the Bible overrides modern knowledge, as flat earthers do.
Yeah, I was joking because that’s exactly what flat earthers do. Full disclosure, I’m an ethics professor that studies and writes on science denial, so I get what he’s trying to do here-especially since many religious individuals try and scram science into their faith and theology to the detriment of both
I'm sure the flat earthers will use this argument. I don't think Dan is advocating for a flat earth. He's simply showing what the text actually says. I've always been skeptical of all these different translations of the Bible.
@@halodisciple8459 If he believes the Word of God, he knows the earth is flat and stationary. If he does not believe the Word over man then he's with you.
The Bible is the inspired Word of God. God knows. We don't have any excuses to believe what man has spun for us to believe when the Word is clear. Good men tried to stop this lie when it was being PUSHED by the catholic church and heretics but "SCIENTISM" won that battle because men got weak and gave in. Not all of them but the ones who would not speak out against the popular minds of the day.
I have an old Bible that actually says "flat earth" I believe in the book of Samuel? It's not proving flat earth but for the words together to be seen in the WORD like that just shows God wanted us to know these things for this day, this time! How many flat surfaces make up a ball? It doesn't make sense. We have to deny our own God given senses to believe we are spinning and whirling and twirling and yet they say all the water stays put and look at that still lake on a breezeless day? Is that scientifically possible? No. No way.
Seems like every other translation reads, "The Lord sitteth over the circle of the earth." Any legitimate definition of circle includes the idea that a circle is flat. Because it is well known that the earth is a sphere it seems likely that editors of some Bibles figure that if a circle is round and a ball is round then no one will notice if they alter the verse to make it better conform with reality and so appear more ... valid, accurate, and believable. If the Bible suggests the earth is a flat circle it loses credibility. If you rework it to make it appear to confirm the earth is a sphere you don't undermine the Bible. Misleading people is an "the end justifies the means," situation for most Christians. 🙄
You should contact Christopher Enoch. He was looking for someone to go on with him to speak about the Biblical language regarding the Flat Earth. You definitely have a clear understanding of what is being said.
It’s all about pre-aviation perspective…if you are on an island in the middle of the ocean and you could see the horizon in every direction, you might assume there is a finite circle all round your disk of flat land…which is true but is ignorant of the rest of the entire globe beneath one’s feet beyond the curve.
Regardless of what the Bible says or doesn't, people knew centuries ago (maybe a thousand years) that the Earth was round. It's only now people think it is flat. 😂😂
That's not translation anymore. That's more like localization as some customs or idioms can't be translated intelligibly without understand the culture of the source.
I don’t know, to sit above the circle of the earth sounds like a globe to me, otherwise it would have said to sit on the circle of the earth…the circle of the earth would be something akin to the equator and to sit above it suggests 3d space
I don't really care what flatearthers get hold of. They are just a bunch of annoying and fairly boring children who should know their place which is firmly on the naughty step.
I agree that 'chuwg' means circle, compass, circuit and that people wanting to use the passage to confirm our planet's shape as EITHER a flat disk OR a sphere are getting 'chuwg' wrong. In addition, I think they are frequently also eisegeting the passage when interpreting 'circle of the earth.' Let me explain. In the phraseology 'the circle of the earth' Isaiah is probably referring to the 360 degree circular horizon that encompasses you wherever you live or travel, and if that's so then he's not talking about cosmology per se but about the local landscape which people experience all the time personally. The eisegesis happens with this OT passage (and many others too) because readers either aren't aware of, or fail to remember, the earth/Earth distinction in English. The very common biblical Hebrew word 'eretz'--meaning land, country/territory/region or its people, ground, soil)--is rendered in English versions with the older usage "earth" (not capitalized, and referring to land, ground, soil) as the closest English equivalent. Thus, Isaiah's phraseology could also be rendered 'the circle of the land.' At any rate, the word "earth" is a nearly archaic usage now (e.g., "I shot an arrow into the air; it fell to earth I know not where."). Our more recent usage "Earth" (capitalized, and referring to our planet, and often from the standpoint of celestial mechanics) DOES NOT APPEAR in English Bible versions. (The single KJV Gen. 1:10 rendering "Earth" is capitalized because, along with "Seas" in the same verse, it's a surface feature category name for the dry land; it doesn't refer to the planet per se.) The frame of reference of "earth" is GROUND LEVEL but the frame of reference of "Earth" is HIGH ALTITUDE. In biblical times there was no air travel or rocketry, and the ground level frame of reference pertained. The hermeneutical problem which arises is that modern English Bible readers see "earth" in the text but mentally insert the frame of reference of "Earth" when they read, turning passages that are actually talking about the land or its people into planetary celestial mechanics passages instead. Isaiah 40:22 is a case-in-point: He's talking about 'the circle of the land' ("earth" = land) but many readers think he's talking about 'the circle of the planet' ("Earth" = planet, but again "Earth" DOESN'T APPEAR IN the Bible). Bible readers do this 'mental swap' because the usage "Earth" predominates in contemporary times over the older usage "earth" and so they easily confuse the two usages due to their identical spelling. In the internet era, with its case-insensitive word searches and texting, distinctions and common conventions of capitalization are often irrelevant or are 'lost in the shuffle' too, which doesn't help matters. Modern Hebrew vocabulary also differs from that of biblical Hebrew in that, in its modern Hebrew usage, 'eretz' CAN refer to planet Earth as well as to the land. The reason is that the vocabularies of both modern English and modern Hebrew reflect the post-Copernican conception of "Earth" as one planet among a whole system of such planets. What before was merely a word for the 'land' (or ground or soil)--"earth"--later became the proper noun/name for our PLANET--"Earth." The upshot of all of this is important: While the Bible authors writing scripture under inspiration retained their own writing styles, God--who surely knows correct science even better than humans do today--kept the Bible authors from putting faulty science into their texts. This can also be seen with respect to Gen. 1:1-2:4 as elucidated in the Bible/science harmonizations GENESIS ONE AND THE ORIGIN OF THE EARTH by Newman, Phillips, and Eckelmann, and NAVIGATING GENESIS/A SCIENTIST'S JOURNEY by Hugh Ross.
@@penelopepittstopP "Breaking of a new day in Job 38:12-15" in Old Testament Essays Vol. 31/No. 1 Pretoria 2018 (corrected translation by Aron Pinker, end of Section C, "Proposed Solution"), Job 38:14: "You will turn around as the writing in the clay of a seal, and they stand to order as the worn armour."
@@ChipsAplentyBand With all due respect, sir I believe the Word over man's essays, man's interpretations, man's perspectives and quite frankly man's lies. I know not everyone over the years has been lying but I do believe many were deceived and bamboozled by magic or the SCIENTISM of the day. It's hard to call a person claiming to be a CHRISTIAN a bold faced liar but their allegiance was to another god. All freemason's serve satan with or without knowing it. I do not agree with all of the people in this video or even know what exactly they believe regarding our CREATOR but if you watch they do bring up valid points. We have to unlearn the indoctrination we have been filled with to get back to GOD's Holy WORD. It's imperative at this time because they are about to unleash more GRAND delusions, they've got the money and magic to do it. czcams.com/video/aTZ_0f0yzfM/video.html
@@ChipsAplentyBand Am I permitted to post links to CZcams videos here? czcams.com/video/uNHz0yEEDA0/video.html This is so important right now before they wipe all this information and hide history from our children.
@@chrisrent7119 no bible never mentioned disk shaped or flat earth.. Circle does not mean flat.. If u see the moon it looks circle from our eye viewing angle in a simple way people who see moon from earth says it's circle and draws circle but we never say it's flat...
@@chrisrent7119not like that stupid 😀 it’s your own term in modern era with knowing the disc shape. in the past there was no disc shape 😂 they saw the moon circle ⭕️ they saw the sun circle ⭕️
Amen! There is also another word in Isaiah that does mean ball. I will have to look it up again I can't remember right now but I need to find that again because people are not GETTING IT.
The English word "earth" in the old testament is misleading, for we read it as planet Earth - but it is not. The Hebrew word is eratz, which translates as land, soil, or dirt. Here's the thing: The word "earth," with a lowercase e, means land, soil, dirt. It does not mean planet Earth. Unfortunately, the modern reader reads "earth" and thinks "Earth". Even I, who am mindful of this problem, have to consciously remind myself to think land and not planet. Keep in mind, the people in ancient biblical times had no word for planet Earth (capital E), for they did not know a planet Earth existed to give it a name. The script reads, properly translated, "The one [God] sitting over the circle of the land." This language is based in human observation. If one were to stand in an open plain and look around, he would see the land according to his dome of observation. That is, he can see the land only as far he can in a circle around him. If we are truly interested in what the writers meant, we must read (and translate) ancient texts according to their understanding. We cannot interject knowledge they did not possess. We also cannot give modern definitions to words but limit the definition to what they meant at that time. (I disagree strongly on your take, that Isaiah meant disk when he wrote circle, according to the Jew's misguided idea of what constituted the fullness of the land. If the script was inspired by God, he would know the world was not a disk and also know there was no such thing as a firmament holding water over our heads. No, the ancient text is written to accommodate human observation and not according to the Jews' misguided attempts to explain what they did not know. This is the beauty and wonder of God's word.)
I was honestly hoping you'd follow up on this one. ConspiracyToonz does sone great content, but I suspected some motivated source picking for some of these claims. I'll argue that it doesn't really matter if the Bible says the earth if flat; if it does so the Bible is incorrect. Given the common models of the Hebrew Bible cosmology with the dome above, the disk of the earth between, and Sheol below, it seemed like if the Bible didn't present a flat earth model in some sense, then that cosmology simply wouldn't have emerged. He's got a whole video going over a variety of of passages and provides some brief analysis. I'd love to see your thoughts on it: czcams.com/video/UlK2lfFu60I/video.html
In Aramaic circle sphere can be interpreted with similar words. Original Aramaic The Bible says the world is a sphere. The Bible also has mathematics king Solomon’s water was 10x3 cubits we don’t know how much a cubit is exactly but if you divide it you get roughly pi. We also discovered naohs ark if you go to the location in the Bible on mount Ararat it’s there and they discovered carvings from Noah and nails used to hold the ark together, in the book of Solomon’s we also know that fallen angels built shrines for pagan gods or for (nephilim) which are (not giants but gentrified beasts and angel hybrids) we see they refer to the pyramids with coordinates across the world that their lat and long coordinates equal the circumference of the earth. And they’re positioned in line with eachother. We know these are the pyramids in the book of Solomon’s because they worshiped nephilim a falsely translated word that actually means gentrified fallen angels with animals that we see in all the pagan god shrines all over the world in all the pyramids.
A fairly pointless video. It doesn't matter one jot or tittle what is written in the Tanakh and what it says. We know that the Earth is an oblate spheroid with a very slight Southern Hemisphere bias, both from pictures taken from space and from observations on the ground (or sea). I prefer to not get my detailed scientific knowledge from something written somewhere around, or after the end of the Babylonian exile, anyway.
There are no 2d physical objects. So a circle is refering to a sphere. A disc is only a circle on 2 sides the top and bottom. A sphere is a circle on all sides. Eclipses always cast a round shadow never a disc shaped one.
If you examine the verse, it’s not referring nor discussing the shape of the earth. But where God is situated, above the earth and the face is described as a circle. Now you cannot be above a spheres, you can only surround it. But you can be above a plate.
@@Needlestolearn Except for the fact nobody has ever seen a disc shaped eclipse before. And according to the flerf model the sun and moon rotate above us inside a dome, ever seen the sun never touch the horizon and lose sight of the sun turning into a dot as it gets dark? Yeah me neither...In a matter of fact why do we even see a horizon? It's because the earth is a globe. Horizon can't exist on flat earth.
Two spirits in this world folks, the spirit of the world which is the spirit most people have, and the Spirit of God which most people have no idea about.
People who want to cast doubt on the Word don't think the same way. They think they are too smart to be fooled and cannot get out of their pride to admit we've been duped. It's hard, yes but it's necessary NOW.
@@juanausensi499 No, I'm wise enough to admit that I was fooled for a very long time and humble enough to admit it and accept reality regardless of what this world and its "SCIENTISTS" pretend to know.
@@juanausensi499 If God says it, I believe it. Let God be true and every man a liar. (and every man is a liar) GOD is not. I'm humble enough to know this. You have not humbled yourself. Pot/Kettle action Mr. Juan.
@@notanemoprog - Absolutely. If Dan doesn't realize that his video will be used by those hucksters to claim that a true Bible-believing Christian MUST believe in a flat Earth, he must be immensely naïve.
@@tedetienne7639 there's no convincing flat earthers: you cannot sponsor an actual misreading to try. "I would not snare an orc with a lie" as someone says in "The Lord if the Ring".
So you would have him lie to promote an agenda? That’s not why I listen to his videos. I’m after an accurate description of what the original manuscripts that were used to make up the Bible say. Let the chips fall where they may. Flat earthers are detached from reality anyway so who cares how they respond?
@@rickedwards7276 - That's an extremely irresponsible attitude. Dan, of course, shouldn't lie, but a look through his video history shows that he - until now - has been aware of current issues and how Biblical interpretations impact them (such as the roles and rights of women, acceptance of LGBT folks, abortion...). By saying "Let the chips fall where they may," you might as well say, "Neutrality in the face of evil is NOT complicacy." The flat-Earth idea harms people and degrades their intellect, and it's not just going to go away by itself if everyone ignores it. It needs to be overcome, and Dan has harmed that effort.
Circle does not mean flat it is a 2d viewing of dimension geometry Whereas sphere is a 3d view formed..if u see the moon u would say its circle according to our viewing angle but we wont say its flat.. So flat and circle is different thing and concept... And the water above is about the clouds composed of water not covered with ocean Read Job 36:27-29 NKJV For He draws up drops of water, Which distill as rain from the mist, Which the clouds drop down And pour abundantly on man. Indeed, can anyone understand the spreading of clouds, The thunder from His canopy
Is still translated to sphere And you still don't know that the word sphere wasn't in ancient Hebrew And the vault is methaporical, Genesis days are methaporical
@@Vitamin.Z The TRUTH resonates with those with the HOLY SPIRIT of God but the TRUTH rubs satanic people the WRONG way. That's just the fact of the matter. The road is NARROW.
Sorry to correct you, but ... _"... you see _*_Kreis_*_ which does not necessarily mean sphere primarily means circle ..."_ - as a native German speaker, I can assure you that _Kreis_ means *exactly* _circle_ and *never* means sphere.
Once again a wonderful video from Dan for helping clarify the text for us. Clearly the writers of the Bible wrote things with their understanding of their day and time. We can still read the Bible for ancient wisdom and spirituality, but it is not a science text.
this is not the prophets understanding.its gods word.the prophets are just a pencil.so yes the bible stated that the earht is a circle long time before science knew it.yes the bible is not a book about science its first and foremost about how to be saved by jesus.the genesis talks about the blood the answers about body condition.god knew this long time before any doctor.so yes all the prophesies are fullfilled exept the mark of the beast and the return of jesus.
The Bible is inspired by GOD. He knows a thing or two about His creation. He says it's flat and stationary and the sun & moon move above us. I believe Him over man.
@@penelopepittstopP (Respectfully), the Bible NEVER MENTIONS "Earth" (capitalized, proper noun, referring to our entire world/planet by name). The Bible only ever mentions "earth (uncapitalized, common noun, referring to the land, a country/territory/region or its people, the ground, or the soil). When the Bible talks about the "earth" not moving it's referring to the LAND not moving physically or to a COUNTRY not faltering/tottering-and is not referring to the planet/world and its celestial mechanics. The relevant portion of 2 Sam. 11:11 is better rendered as 'open field' and the rendering "flat earthe" in Matthew's Bible refers contextually to the LAND too, not to the planet.
Contemporary flat "Earth" advocates ROUTINELY illustrate their interpretation of scripture with drawings depicting THE ENTIRE WORLD/PLANET as a flat disk but the Bible NEVER MENTIONS the entire world/planet using Hebrew or Greek words that would call for the rendering "Earth." The flat Earth advocates are mistaking "earth" (land, country) in the text for "Earth" (planet) when they read and interpret the ENGLISH Bible.
This earth/Earth distinction in English doesn't exist in the Hebrew Old Testament, from which a majority of flat Earth interpretation passages are sourced, because biblical Hebrew doesn't have capital letters and because the conception of the place where we live being a planet-like Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn were SEEN to be planets ('wandering stars') in biblical times-is a MODERN conception, only gradually accepted/adopted since Copernicus, hence the modern NEED for the planetary name "Earth."
@@ChipsAplentyBand Because the earth is not a "planet". God is clear in the Word and Copernicus was a FREEMASON with lodges named after them.
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I respect the work you’re doing. Thanks for interpreting the Bible honestly.
In the Bible, Isaiah 40:22, the world is described as rounded or as a globe. Are there any other manuscripts from any other religion describing the world rounded as well?
Yeshayahu/Isaiah called Planet Earth: חוג הארץ Chug Ha’aretz. Sphere of the Earth. The word חוג Chug means Sphere in Hebrew. Sphere and Globe are the same words, except globe usually indicates a scale model. Sphere of Earth means very specifically the Planet Earth.
Here is Yeshayahu’s word חוג Chug on Morfix. מילון ותרגום מורפיקס Morfix Dictionary | חוג באנגלית It says: Sphere!
This is a sphere pictured in the image below. It is not flat. It has a center, and is round:
Sphere is a perfect description of earth. We live in North, South East, West Hemispheres. They are part of the earth which is a sphere, not a flat circle.
Chug is not a word denoting a flat circle. The word מעגל Ma’agal means specifically circle. As you can see here: מילון ותרגום מורפיקס Morfix Dictionary | מַעְגָּל באנגלית
Isaiah did not write מעגל Ma’agal/Circle. But even had he had written Ma’agal that would be quite good enough.
However, Chug is so incredibly particular, meaning sphere in geography.
This is truly an amazing prophecy. The fact that Yeshayahu described the Earth as a sphere in the 8th century BCE, c. 710 BC before anyone else, demonstrates the scientific accuracy of Jewish prophecy.
The notion of a spherical earth did not appear in writing until 350 years after Yeshayahu wrote these words:
The first person, following Isaiah, to write the earth was a globe, was the Greek philosopher Plato in his work Phaedo dated c. 360 BC.
My conviction is that the Earth is a round body in the centre of the heavens, and therefore has no need of air or of any similar force to be a support.
Plato did not say where he got this conviction. He did not say he learned it from Pythagorus. Pythagorus didn’t write it. Plato did. And Plato did not explain it based on empirical observation. The centre of the heavens? What’s that? What center is that?
Plato explains that the Earth doesn’t fall because it is in a state of equipoise in the heavens:
For that which, being in equipoise, is in the center of that which is equably diffused, will not incline any way in any degree, but will always remain in the same state and not deviate.
This is not even a vaguely rudimentary description of gravity, because the Earth is not held up by being in a state of “equipoise”, or equable diffusion in the heavenly realm. But by the exertion of gravitational force from the sun. It is attracted to the sun and that’s what keeps it from flying away.
And the sun, our solar system, is not held in heaven via equipoise either; instead our solar system moves orbits the milky way. And our galaxy, the Milky Way, is not stationary either. So there is no state of equipoise anywhere. But exertions of gravitational force throughout the universe.
Thus the science Plato provides is just an attempt at giving some professional sounding gobbledygook to back up a theory he did not himself develop.
In fact, the fellow who raises the question, Simmias, asks Socrates:
I have myself heard many descriptions of the earth, but I do not know and should very much like to know in which you put your faith.
Simmias has heard many descriptions. No doubt Simmias had heard the description of earth that the Jews advanced, that which Hashem told Yeshayahu through prophecy.
Plato chooses one of these descriptions, the best one. That of the Jewish people.
Plato’s notion of the earth’s roundness itself, therefore, seems to have been originated out of thin air, written by Plato without any empirical basis. Just belief. As his attempt at explaining how he arrived at this conclusion does not depend on scientific observation whatsoever. But his own fabricated pseudo-science.
Knowledge that the earth was a sphere no doubt came from Judaism, through prophecy. That’s how it permeated the scholarly world without any explanation. Only conviction
@@elishchayil2023 lol
One interesting passage is Isaiah 22:18, "He will roll you up tightly like a ball and throw you into a large country." There is the word that usually means ball, dûwr, used in Hebrew. If God was talking about a sphere why use the word usually rendered circle rather than the word rendered ball? I don't know Hebrew that much, but from what I understand this word would have conveyed 'ball' better than "khug".
Maybe Dan could elaborate what the semantic difference between these words are?
From my perspective this is not a problem as more than likely this is just a person writing saying "God says" just as happens today. When people write for God, he always seems to know what people already know. They knew the earth to be a disk and flat, so "God" speaks that way as well.
THANK YOU!!! THAT'S IT!!!
@@xaayer God cannot lie. God says the earth is like "CLAY UNDER THE SEAL"... If satan were to SPIN a tale and send mankind's imagination whirling in outer space along with a spinning ball we think we live on. Putting the SUN at the center of all things with everything rotating around it therefore making us just a speck in an infinite universe (not significant at all) ... Well, that would be a great accomplishment for satan, wouldn't it? That would bring evolution to the table quite easily. But the whole world would not believe such a thing, right? How could everyone be in on SUCH a tall tale? That is impossiBALL, right? Well, if you don't think humanity could be tricked at large then you just may believe Covid came from a bat in china. We now see it's not hard for the whole world to be seduced and deceived. We watched it happen so it's not so far fetched.
I apologize for the grammatical mistakes! Not editing. LOL Periods, where comas should be and run on sentences just prove I'm a human! Pure blood. :)
@xaayer so you mean people in bible wrote "god said xxx", without actually getting it from god, just as today. Is this supposed to improve the case for god?
Hey Dan! a long time subscriber from the tik tok platform, I very much enjoy your unbiased informative videos that always seem to incorporate all sides of narratives and historical accuracy vs common mythology and the translations of word because they always seem to teach or shed light on previously under appreciated aspects of our species. Im very hyped on your transition you announced to further your career and cant wait to see more of your work on social platforms! As a fan I would really enjoy and appreciate seeing more "timeline" related content when referring to the progression and migration of languages and prehistoric man, maybe a longer series breaking down each of the major civilizations and cultures in some type of order of relevance? thank you for reading and posting :)
I absolutely love these little " bite-sized" bits of information. Go Dr. Dan!!!!
Thank you for this video and all of your work! Would you mind listing these books or sources so that we can also be able to do further study? Thank you again.
Kreis never means sphere in German. It means circle and has the same figurative meanings of circle and it can also refer to a rural district, but has never three dimensions.
Greetings from Germany
In Old english circle can be sphere
@@JohnDoe-dp7skthat has no bearing on anything
@getasimbe chuwg can mean sphere in Hebrew... it describes earth b and heaven.
.. if it's only circle... then you loose your dome argument for heaven
Actually it doesn't mean dome ... it means sphere
Mesopotamia didn't have one cosmoginy
They also had 7 levels of flat heaven ... no dome
Egyptians considered the substance of their gods mysterious and not literal
Babylon also had an sphere oid heaven
Hebrew means raqiya flyers fly in the raqiya as sub strate so it can't be hard ... they'd never get above it if so
Joseph Sasson, Rabbi in Torah Study, Yeshiva
In the Bible, Isaiah 40:22, the world is described as rounded or as a globe. Are there any other manuscripts from any other religion describing the world rounded as well?
Yeshayahu/Isaiah called Planet Earth: חוג הארץ Chug Ha’aretz. Sphere of the Earth. The word חוג Chug means Sphere in Hebrew. Sphere and Globe are the same words, except globe usually indicates a scale model. Sphere of Earth means very specifically the Planet Earth.
Here is Yeshayahu’s word חוג Chug on Morfix. מילון ותרגום מורפיקס Morfix Dictionary | חוג באנגלית It says: Sphere!
This is a sphere pictured in the image below. It is not flat. It has a center, and is round:
Sphere is a perfect description of earth. We live in North, South East, West Hemispheres. They are part of the earth which is a sphere, not a flat circle.
Chug is not a word denoting a flat circle. The word מעגל Ma’agal means specifically circle. As you can see here: מילון ותרגום מורפיקס Morfix Dictionary | מַעְגָּל באנגלית
Isaiah did not write מעגל Ma’agal/Circle. But even had he had written Ma’agal that would be quite good enough.
However, Chug is so incredibly particular, meaning sphere in geography.
This is truly an amazing prophecy. The fact that Yeshayahu described the Earth as a sphere in the 8th century BCE, c. 710 BC before anyone else, demonstrates the scientific accuracy of Jewish prophecy.
The notion of a spherical earth did not appear in writing until 350 years after Yeshayahu wrote these words:
The first person, following Isaiah, to write the earth was a globe, was the Greek philosopher Plato in his work Phaedo dated c. 360 BC.
My conviction is that the Earth is a round body in the centre of the heavens, and therefore has no need of air or of any similar force to be a support.
Plato did not say where he got this conviction. He did not say he learned it from Pythagorus. Pythagorus didn’t write it. Plato did. And Plato did not explain it based on empirical observation. The centre of the heavens? What’s that? What center is that?
Plato explains that the Earth doesn’t fall because it is in a state of equipoise in the heavens:
For that which, being in equipoise, is in the center of that which is equably diffused, will not incline any way in any degree, but will always remain in the same state and not deviate.
This is not even a vaguely rudimentary description of gravity, because the Earth is not held up by being in a state of “equipoise”, or equable diffusion in the heavenly realm. But by the exertion of gravitational force from the sun. It is attracted to the sun and that’s what keeps it from flying away.
And the sun, our solar system, is not held in heaven via equipoise either; instead our solar system moves orbits the milky way. And our galaxy, the Milky Way, is not stationary either. So there is no state of equipoise anywhere. But exertions of gravitational force throughout the universe.
Thus the science Plato provides is just an attempt at giving some professional sounding gobbledygook to back up a theory he did not himself develop.
In fact, the fellow who raises the question, Simmias, asks Socrates:
I have myself heard many descriptions of the earth, but I do not know and should very much like to know in which you put your faith.
Simmias has heard many descriptions. No doubt Simmias had heard the description of earth that the Jews advanced, that which Hashem told Yeshayahu through prophecy.
Plato chooses one of these descriptions, the best one. That of the Jewish people.
Plato’s notion of the earth’s roundness itself, therefore, seems to have been originated out of thin air, written by Plato without any empirical basis. Just belief. As his attempt at explaining how he arrived at this conclusion does not depend on scientific observation whatsoever. But his own fabricated pseudo-science.
Knowledge that the earth was a sphere no doubt came from Judaism, through prophecy. That’s how it permeated the scholarly world without any explanation. Only conviction
Thank you for this. I subscribed.
Thank you for explaining this!
Just going to throw this out there... The Hebrew Bible was written from (roughly) 1200-165BC. The Greeks certainly new the world was round, and it's likely the Egyptians did as well. It's certainly possible the writers of the Hebrew Bible knew it or had at least heard the theory.
Now, does this contradict anything in the video? No. What's written is written. It's pretty plain that they meant "circle" and not "globe" or "sphere". I'd just like to point out that they may have known it was in fact a sphere and chose to use the word circle instead. And it's also possible they either didn't know or simply didn't buy into the theory of a spherical Earth.
the earth is not a sphere
@@penelopepittstopP oblate sphereoid, then. But you knew what I meant, didn't you?
@@SlimThrull that's funny because all the images from "space" show it perfectly round. How many flat surfaces make an "oblate sphereoid" sounds like something Neil deGrass Tyson would say.
@@penelopepittstopP no, they don't show it as perfectly round. Your eyes probably don't have enough resolution to see it, though.
@@SlimThrull it's magic. LOL
"A sphere is a curved geometric body with only one rounded surface - a circular face. As a result, it does not have any edges or vertices. Edges are the segments where faces meet. Since there is only one face, they cannot be formed. In the same way, vertices cannot be created because they are the points where the edges meet, and a sphere does not have any."
The Word says the earth has edges, it's not a sphere nor and oblate sphere according to the Bible.
The word "globe" is not in the Bible. The book of Job explains it well. It even talks about the pillars of the Earth and how the Earth is like The Creator's footstool. Job-38
Thank you.
What is the lexicon’s definition of disk?
Is there a definitive Globe vs Sphere comment from Scripture or historically valid literature?
Who cares? What is, is, whatever some book from the iron age says.
Was that text; taken in context, trying to describe the shape of the planet earth or was it trying to demonstrate the might and majesty of God?
That entirely depends on your favored interpretation of the text.
@@CalebResponds When Assyrians surrounding your city are saying you’re going to eat poop and drink pee, you don’t start debating the shape of the earth. Or do you?
@@way2tehdawn There are some flat earth Christians who have taken that passage as literal claiming it states the earth is flat. There are other Christians who claim it’s metaphorical, and still others who try to spilt the difference. And then there are other Christians who will go off bad translations and claim that the word “disk” or “circle” really meant sphere. Amongst Christians there is no broad agreement.
There is also no broad agreement amongst Christians as to whether or not God intended to kill Moses in Exodus 4:24-26
24 At a lodging place on the way, the Lord met Moses and was about to kill him. 25 But Zipporah took a flint knife, cut off her son’s foreskin and touched Moses’ feet with it. “Surely you are a bridegroom of blood to me,” she said. 26 So the Lord let him alone.
Also let’s not forget that there are multiple groups of Christians who will argue about the exact fate of Jephthah’s daughter in Judges 11 29-40 despite the fact that it literally says that Jephthah did as he vowed.
29 Then the Spirit of the Lord came on Jephthah. He crossed Gilead and Manasseh, passed through Mizpah of Gilead, and from there he advanced against the Ammonites. 30 And Jephthah made a vow to the Lord: “If you give the Ammonites into my hands, 31 whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites will be the Lord’s, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering.”
32 Then Jephthah went over to fight the Ammonites, and the Lord gave them into his hands. 33 He devastated twenty towns from Aroer to the vicinity of Minnith, as far as Abel Keramim. Thus Israel subdued Ammon.
34 When Jephthah returned to his home in Mizpah, who should come out to meet him but his daughter, dancing to the sound of timbrels! She was an only child. Except for her he had neither son nor daughter. 35 When he saw her, he tore his clothes and cried, “Oh no, my daughter! You have brought me down and I am devastated. I have made a vow to the Lord that I cannot break.”
36 “My father,” she replied, “you have given your word to the Lord. Do to me just as you promised, now that the Lord has avenged you of your enemies, the Ammonites. 37 But grant me this one request,” she said. “Give me two months to roam the hills and weep with my friends, because I will never marry.”
38 “You may go,” he said. And he let her go for two months. She and her friends went into the hills and wept because she would never marry. 39 After the two months, she returned to her father, and he did to her as he had vowed. And she was a virgin.
From this comes the Israelite tradition 40 that each year the young women of Israel go out for four days to commemorate the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite.
DAN CAN U PLS TELL US WHAT AND WHERE IS THE FIRST BIBLE, I feel like I’m reading all the wrong info
KJV
What do you mean by first? If it's the manuscripts that are dated oldest, use the earliest linguistics, or other? Because none of those have all of the canonical texts (in the sense most people think of that term) in their entirety
Isaiah Chapter 40 was written some time, either during or just after the Babylonian exile by 2nd Isaiah. Say somewhere between 539 and 520 BCE.
And thus the flat earthers doth rejoice... 😉
I’m perfectly fine acknowledging the Bible is a flat earth book.
@@AtheistRex Thank you.
@@AtheistRex It's why athiests stay atheists . "Christians" won't even believe what GOD says in the Bible about the earth and if I were an atheist and saw so-called christians believing in the spinning ball globe I would wonder why they don't even believe what they claim they believe IN????!!!
Joseph Sasson, Rabbi in Torah Study, Yeshiva
In the Bible, Isaiah 40:22, the world is described as rounded or as a globe. Are there any other manuscripts from any other religion describing the world rounded as well?
Yeshayahu/Isaiah called Planet Earth: חוג הארץ Chug Ha’aretz. Sphere of the Earth. The word חוג Chug means Sphere in Hebrew. Sphere and Globe are the same words, except globe usually indicates a scale model. Sphere of Earth means very specifically the Planet Earth.
Here is Yeshayahu’s word חוג Chug on Morfix. מילון ותרגום מורפיקס Morfix Dictionary | חוג באנגלית It says: Sphere!
This is a sphere pictured in the image below. It is not flat. It has a center, and is round:
Sphere is a perfect description of earth. We live in North, South East, West Hemispheres. They are part of the earth which is a sphere, not a flat circle.
Chug is not a word denoting a flat circle. The word מעגל Ma’agal means specifically circle. As you can see here: מילון ותרגום מורפיקס Morfix Dictionary | מַעְגָּל באנגלית
Isaiah did not write מעגל Ma’agal/Circle. But even had he had written Ma’agal that would be quite good enough.
However, Chug is so incredibly particular, meaning sphere in geography.
This is truly an amazing prophecy. The fact that Yeshayahu described the Earth as a sphere in the 8th century BCE, c. 710 BC before anyone else, demonstrates the scientific accuracy of Jewish prophecy.
The notion of a spherical earth did not appear in writing until 350 years after Yeshayahu wrote these words:
The first person, following Isaiah, to write the earth was a globe, was the Greek philosopher Plato in his work Phaedo dated c. 360 BC.
My conviction is that the Earth is a round body in the centre of the heavens, and therefore has no need of air or of any similar force to be a support.
Plato did not say where he got this conviction. He did not say he learned it from Pythagorus. Pythagorus didn’t write it. Plato did. And Plato did not explain it based on empirical observation. The centre of the heavens? What’s that? What center is that?
Plato explains that the Earth doesn’t fall because it is in a state of equipoise in the heavens:
For that which, being in equipoise, is in the center of that which is equably diffused, will not incline any way in any degree, but will always remain in the same state and not deviate.
This is not even a vaguely rudimentary description of gravity, because the Earth is not held up by being in a state of “equipoise”, or equable diffusion in the heavenly realm. But by the exertion of gravitational force from the sun. It is attracted to the sun and that’s what keeps it from flying away.
And the sun, our solar system, is not held in heaven via equipoise either; instead our solar system moves orbits the milky way. And our galaxy, the Milky Way, is not stationary either. So there is no state of equipoise anywhere. But exertions of gravitational force throughout the universe.
Thus the science Plato provides is just an attempt at giving some professional sounding gobbledygook to back up a theory he did not himself develop.
In fact, the fellow who raises the question, Simmias, asks Socrates:
I have myself heard many descriptions of the earth, but I do not know and should very much like to know in which you put your faith.
Simmias has heard many descriptions. No doubt Simmias had heard the description of earth that the Jews advanced, that which Hashem told Yeshayahu through prophecy.
Plato chooses one of these descriptions, the best one. That of the Jewish people.
Plato’s notion of the earth’s roundness itself, therefore, seems to have been originated out of thin air, written by Plato without any empirical basis. Just belief. As his attempt at explaining how he arrived at this conclusion does not depend on scientific observation whatsoever. But his own fabricated pseudo-science.
Knowledge that the earth was a sphere no doubt came from Judaism, through prophecy. That’s how it permeated the scholarly world without any explanation. Only conviction
What difference does it make? The Earth is a sphere.
Can you speculate why the boys at Douay-Rheims would choose to use the world globe?
You are wrong.
This word means doesn't mean "a circle", it means "to circle" (see psalm 107, 27).
It basically means that the universe has its periodic motions and cycles, but God is "sitting", as in doesn't adhere to the laws of nature for he is above them.
The same Hebrew word can also mean Compass. In proverbs 8:27 the same Hebrew word is used but they translate it into the KJV as Compass. It’s possible Isaiah 40:22 is actually supposed to say compass of the earth too. Also there is no ancient Hebrew word for “sphere”.
@@Checkmate777 That seems to be how Jerome understood it in the late 4th century CE. "Qui sedet super gyrum terrae" - could be understood as "[he] who sits upon the circuit of the earth".
@@Checkmate777 Jason Sasson, Torah Study, Yeshiva
In the Bible, Isaiah 40:22, the world is described as rounded or as a globe. Are there any other manuscripts from any other religion describing the world rounded as well?
Yeshayahu/Isaiah called Planet Earth: חוג הארץ Chug Ha’aretz. Sphere of the Earth. The word חוג Chug means Sphere in Hebrew. Sphere and Globe are the same words, except globe usually indicates a scale model. Sphere of Earth means very specifically the Planet Earth.
Here is Yeshayahu’s word חוג Chug on Morfix. מילון ותרגום מורפיקס Morfix Dictionary | חוג באנגלית It says: Sphere!
This is a sphere pictured in the image below. It is not flat. It has a center, and is round:
Sphere is a perfect description of earth. We live in North, South East, West Hemispheres. They are part of the earth which is a sphere, not a flat circle.
Chug is not a word denoting a flat circle. The word מעגל Ma’agal means specifically circle. As you can see here: מילון ותרגום מורפיקס Morfix Dictionary | מַעְגָּל באנגלית
Isaiah did not write מעגל Ma’agal/Circle. But even had he had written Ma’agal that would be quite good enough.
However, Chug is so incredibly particular, meaning sphere in geography.
This is truly an amazing prophecy. The fact that Yeshayahu described the Earth as a sphere in the 8th century BCE, c. 710 BC before anyone else, demonstrates the scientific accuracy of Jewish prophecy.
The notion of a spherical earth did not appear in writing until 350 years after Yeshayahu wrote these words:
The first person, following Isaiah, to write the earth was a globe, was the Greek philosopher Plato in his work Phaedo dated c. 360 BC.
My conviction is that the Earth is a round body in the centre of the heavens, and therefore has no need of air or of any similar force to be a support.
Plato did not say where he got this conviction. He did not say he learned it from Pythagorus. Pythagorus didn’t write it. Plato did. And Plato did not explain it based on empirical observation. The centre of the heavens? What’s that? What center is that?
Plato explains that the Earth doesn’t fall because it is in a state of equipoise in the heavens:
For that which, being in equipoise, is in the center of that which is equably diffused, will not incline any way in any degree, but will always remain in the same state and not deviate.
This is not even a vaguely rudimentary description of gravity, because the Earth is not held up by being in a state of “equipoise”, or equable diffusion in the heavenly realm. But by the exertion of gravitational force from the sun. It is attracted to the sun and that’s what keeps it from flying away.
And the sun, our solar system, is not held in heaven via equipoise either; instead our solar system moves orbits the milky way. And our galaxy, the Milky Way, is not stationary either. So there is no state of equipoise anywhere. But exertions of gravitational force throughout the universe.
Thus the science Plato provides is just an attempt at giving some professional sounding gobbledygook to back up a theory he did not himself develop.
In fact, the fellow who raises the question, Simmias, asks Socrates:
I have myself heard many descriptions of the earth, but I do not know and should very much like to know in which you put your faith.
Simmias has heard many descriptions. No doubt Simmias had heard the description of earth that the Jews advanced, that which Hashem told Yeshayahu through prophecy.
Plato chooses one of these descriptions, the best one. That of the Jewish people.
Plato’s notion of the earth’s roundness itself, therefore, seems to have been originated out of thin air, written by Plato without any empirical basis. Just belief. As his attempt at explaining how he arrived at this conclusion does not depend on scientific observation whatsoever. But his own fabricated pseudo-science.
Knowledge that the earth was a sphere no doubt came from Judaism, through prophecy. That’s how it permeated the scholarly world without any explanation. Only conviction
@DanMcClellan
The very first Bible translated into English from Aribmaic /Latin/Greek was the John Wycliffe Bible of 1390. That's well before Geneva Bible.
And in Isaiah 40:22 it does not say the circle of the earth or the ball of the Earth. It says "the compass of the Earth" and we all know what a compass looks like "That stuff is flat"
Uh oh, looks like Dan is starting to pivot to a flat earth channel (kidding (hopefully))
Dan is saying that the Bible does not predict modern knowledge from our deep past. He is not claiming that the Bible overrides modern knowledge, as flat earthers do.
Yeah, I was joking because that’s exactly what flat earthers do. Full disclosure, I’m an ethics professor that studies and writes on science denial, so I get what he’s trying to do here-especially since many religious individuals try and scram science into their faith and theology to the detriment of both
@@bradleythornock8627 Oh... that's actually solid satire. I'm sorry I missed that the first time through.
I'm sure the flat earthers will use this argument. I don't think Dan is advocating for a flat earth. He's simply showing what the text actually says. I've always been skeptical of all these different translations of the Bible.
@@halodisciple8459 If he believes the Word of God, he knows the earth is flat and stationary. If he does not believe the Word over man then he's with you.
But was their a word, back in those ages that ment sphere, or globe?
The Bible is the inspired Word of God. God knows. We don't have any excuses to believe what man has spun for us to believe when the Word is clear. Good men tried to stop this lie when it was being PUSHED by the catholic church and heretics but "SCIENTISM" won that battle because men got weak and gave in. Not all of them but the ones who would not speak out against the popular minds of the day.
fun fact: the original 1609 douay old testament render it as something like 'compass of the earth' which sounds decidedly more flat, if you ask me
I have an old Bible in a foreign language and it says the same thing ( circle of the earth)
I have an old Bible that actually says "flat earth" I believe in the book of Samuel? It's not proving flat earth but for the words together to be seen in the WORD like that just shows God wanted us to know these things for this day, this time! How many flat surfaces make up a ball? It doesn't make sense. We have to deny our own God given senses to believe we are spinning and whirling and twirling and yet they say all the water stays put and look at that still lake on a breezeless day? Is that scientifically possible? No. No way.
I thought the earth was sitting on great turtles and elephant pillars?
in Islam it says that the earth sits on the giant whale 😀
Why Dan who is a religion pupil never compare it to the bible ?
@@elishchayil2023
Can you show a verse from the Quran or an authentic hadith which says that?
Seems like every other translation reads, "The Lord sitteth over the circle of the earth." Any legitimate definition of circle includes the idea that a circle is flat. Because it is well known that the earth is a sphere it seems likely that editors of some Bibles figure that if a circle is round and a ball is round then no one will notice if they alter the verse to make it better conform with reality and so appear more ... valid, accurate, and believable. If the Bible suggests the earth is a flat circle it loses credibility. If you rework it to make it appear to confirm the earth is a sphere you don't undermine the Bible. Misleading people is an "the end justifies the means," situation for most Christians. 🙄
You should contact Christopher Enoch. He was looking for someone to go on with him to speak about the Biblical language regarding the Flat Earth. You definitely have a clear understanding of what is being said.
Amen
It’s all about pre-aviation perspective…if you are on an island in the middle of the ocean and you could see the horizon in every direction, you might assume there is a finite circle all round your disk of flat land…which is true but is ignorant of the rest of the entire globe beneath one’s feet beyond the curve.
What about earth quakes? Are they still thought to be caused by sliding platelets!
Regardless of what the Bible says or doesn't, people knew centuries ago (maybe a thousand years) that the Earth was round. It's only now people think it is flat. 😂😂
That's not translation anymore. That's more like localization as some customs or idioms can't be translated intelligibly without understand the culture of the source.
Yeah - you can never use the likes of The Message to prove stuff because it's too loose of a translation.
I don’t know, to sit above the circle of the earth sounds like a globe to me, otherwise it would have said to sit on the circle of the earth…the circle of the earth would be something akin to the equator and to sit above it suggests 3d space
Wait till the flatearhers get a hold of this
I don't really care what flatearthers get hold of. They are just a bunch of annoying and fairly boring children who should know their place which is firmly on the naughty step.
I agree that 'chuwg' means circle, compass, circuit and that people wanting to use the passage to confirm our planet's shape as EITHER a flat disk OR a sphere are getting 'chuwg' wrong. In addition, I think they are frequently also eisegeting the passage when interpreting 'circle of the earth.' Let me explain.
In the phraseology 'the circle of the earth' Isaiah is probably referring to the 360 degree circular horizon that encompasses you wherever you live or travel, and if that's so then he's not talking about cosmology per se but about the local landscape which people experience all the time personally. The eisegesis happens with this OT passage (and many others too) because readers either aren't aware of, or fail to remember, the earth/Earth distinction in English. The very common biblical Hebrew word 'eretz'--meaning land, country/territory/region or its people, ground, soil)--is rendered in English versions with the older usage "earth" (not capitalized, and referring to land, ground, soil) as the closest English equivalent. Thus, Isaiah's phraseology could also be rendered 'the circle of the land.' At any rate, the word "earth" is a nearly archaic usage now (e.g., "I shot an arrow into the air; it fell to earth I know not where.").
Our more recent usage "Earth" (capitalized, and referring to our planet, and often from the standpoint of celestial mechanics) DOES NOT APPEAR in English Bible versions. (The single KJV Gen. 1:10 rendering "Earth" is capitalized because, along with "Seas" in the same verse, it's a surface feature category name for the dry land; it doesn't refer to the planet per se.)
The frame of reference of "earth" is GROUND LEVEL but the frame of reference of "Earth" is HIGH ALTITUDE. In biblical times there was no air travel or rocketry, and the ground level frame of reference pertained.
The hermeneutical problem which arises is that modern English Bible readers see "earth" in the text but mentally insert the frame of reference of "Earth" when they read, turning passages that are actually talking about the land or its people into planetary celestial mechanics passages instead. Isaiah 40:22 is a case-in-point: He's talking about 'the circle of the land' ("earth" = land) but many readers think he's talking about 'the circle of the planet' ("Earth" = planet, but again "Earth" DOESN'T APPEAR IN the Bible). Bible readers do this 'mental swap' because the usage "Earth" predominates in contemporary times over the older usage "earth" and so they easily confuse the two usages due to their identical spelling. In the internet era, with its case-insensitive word searches and texting, distinctions and common conventions of capitalization are often irrelevant or are 'lost in the shuffle' too, which doesn't help matters.
Modern Hebrew vocabulary also differs from that of biblical Hebrew in that, in its modern Hebrew usage, 'eretz' CAN refer to planet Earth as well as to the land. The reason is that the vocabularies of both modern English and modern Hebrew reflect the post-Copernican conception of "Earth" as one planet among a whole system of such planets. What before was merely a word for the 'land' (or ground or soil)--"earth"--later became the proper noun/name for our PLANET--"Earth."
The upshot of all of this is important: While the Bible authors writing scripture under inspiration retained their own writing styles, God--who surely knows correct science even better than humans do today--kept the Bible authors from putting faulty science into their texts. This can also be seen with respect to Gen. 1:1-2:4 as elucidated in the Bible/science harmonizations GENESIS ONE AND THE ORIGIN OF THE EARTH by Newman, Phillips, and Eckelmann, and NAVIGATING GENESIS/A SCIENTIST'S JOURNEY by Hugh Ross.
"like clay under the seal"
@@penelopepittstopP
"Breaking of a new day in Job 38:12-15" in Old Testament Essays Vol. 31/No. 1 Pretoria 2018
(corrected translation by Aron Pinker, end of Section C, "Proposed Solution"), Job 38:14:
"You will turn around as the writing in the clay of a seal,
and they stand to order as the worn armour."
@@ChipsAplentyBand With all due respect, sir I believe the Word over man's essays, man's interpretations, man's perspectives and quite frankly man's lies. I know not everyone over the years has been lying but I do believe many were deceived and bamboozled by magic or the SCIENTISM of the day. It's hard to call a person claiming to be a CHRISTIAN a bold faced liar but their allegiance was to another god. All freemason's serve satan with or without knowing it. I do not agree with all of the people in this video or even know what exactly they believe regarding our CREATOR but if you watch they do bring up valid points. We have to unlearn the indoctrination we have been filled with to get back to GOD's Holy WORD. It's imperative at this time because they are about to unleash more GRAND delusions, they've got the money and magic to do it.
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This is so important right now before they wipe all this information and hide history from our children.
Disc world!
Does it means in the bible, the earth is “flat”?
@@bobproctor-ne9tgstop your nonsense
No bible does not say that.. circle does not mean flat..
Circle is a 2d figure of sphere..
It's a view angle
@@ADONOI circle is disc shape.
@@chrisrent7119 no bible never mentioned disk shaped or flat earth..
Circle does not mean flat..
If u see the moon it looks circle from our eye viewing angle in a simple way people who see moon from earth says it's circle and draws circle but we never say it's flat...
@@chrisrent7119not like that stupid 😀
it’s your own term in modern era with knowing the disc shape. in the past there was no disc shape 😂
they saw the moon circle ⭕️
they saw the sun circle ⭕️
Amen! There is also another word in Isaiah that does mean ball. I will have to look it up again I can't remember right now but I need to find that again because people are not GETTING IT.
The English word "earth" in the old testament is misleading, for we read it as planet Earth - but it is not. The Hebrew word is eratz, which translates as land, soil, or dirt. Here's the thing: The word "earth," with a lowercase e, means land, soil, dirt. It does not mean planet Earth. Unfortunately, the modern reader reads "earth" and thinks "Earth". Even I, who am mindful of this problem, have to consciously remind myself to think land and not planet.
Keep in mind, the people in ancient biblical times had no word for planet Earth (capital E), for they did not know a planet Earth existed to give it a name.
The script reads, properly translated, "The one [God] sitting over the circle of the land." This language is based in human observation. If one were to stand in an open plain and look around, he would see the land according to his dome of observation. That is, he can see the land only as far he can in a circle around him.
If we are truly interested in what the writers meant, we must read (and translate) ancient texts according to their understanding. We cannot interject knowledge they did not possess. We also cannot give modern definitions to words but limit the definition to what they meant at that time.
(I disagree strongly on your take, that Isaiah meant disk when he wrote circle, according to the Jew's misguided idea of what constituted the fullness of the land. If the script was inspired by God, he would know the world was not a disk and also know there was no such thing as a firmament holding water over our heads. No, the ancient text is written to accommodate human observation and not according to the Jews' misguided attempts to explain what they did not know. This is the beauty and wonder of God's word.)
All high strangeness 🤣🤣🤣
I was honestly hoping you'd follow up on this one. ConspiracyToonz does sone great content, but I suspected some motivated source picking for some of these claims. I'll argue that it doesn't really matter if the Bible says the earth if flat; if it does so the Bible is incorrect.
Given the common models of the Hebrew Bible cosmology with the dome above, the disk of the earth between, and Sheol below, it seemed like if the Bible didn't present a flat earth model in some sense, then that cosmology simply wouldn't have emerged.
He's got a whole video going over a variety of of passages and provides some brief analysis. I'd love to see your thoughts on it:
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we don't need the Aramaic translation for something we have the hebrew for 😂
All translation is interpretation.
Earth is an oblate spheroid, so it is wrong regardless.
You are repeating Neil DeGrass Tyson, that is all. It's not wise to parrot evil men.
Thank you for sharing this important information I will now rub this in the round earhers faces😂
I'm not sure if you're joking or not but this would do a lot more to discredit the bible than it ever would to prove the earth is flat
In Aramaic circle sphere can be interpreted with similar words. Original Aramaic The Bible says the world is a sphere. The Bible also has mathematics king Solomon’s water was 10x3 cubits we don’t know how much a cubit is exactly but if you divide it you get roughly pi. We also discovered naohs ark if you go to the location in the Bible on mount Ararat it’s there and they discovered carvings from Noah and nails used to hold the ark together, in the book of Solomon’s we also know that fallen angels built shrines for pagan gods or for (nephilim) which are (not giants but gentrified beasts and angel hybrids) we see they refer to the pyramids with coordinates across the world that their lat and long coordinates equal the circumference of the earth. And they’re positioned in line with eachother. We know these are the pyramids in the book of Solomon’s because they worshiped nephilim a falsely translated word that actually means gentrified fallen angels with animals that we see in all the pagan god shrines all over the world in all the pyramids.
A fairly pointless video. It doesn't matter one jot or tittle what is written in the Tanakh and what it says. We know that the Earth is an oblate spheroid with a very slight Southern Hemisphere bias, both from pictures taken from space and from observations on the ground (or sea). I prefer to not get my detailed scientific knowledge from something written somewhere around, or after the end of the Babylonian exile, anyway.
There are no 2d physical objects. So a circle is refering to a sphere. A disc is only a circle on 2 sides the top and bottom. A sphere is a circle on all sides. Eclipses always cast a round shadow never a disc shaped one.
If you examine the verse, it’s not referring nor discussing the shape of the earth. But where God is situated, above the earth and the face is described as a circle. Now you cannot be above a spheres, you can only surround it. But you can be above a plate.
@@Needlestolearn fair enough that's an good response too
@@Needlestolearn Except for the fact nobody has ever seen a disc shaped eclipse before. And according to the flerf model the sun and moon rotate above us inside a dome, ever seen the sun never touch the horizon and lose sight of the sun turning into a dot as it gets dark? Yeah me neither...In a matter of fact why do we even see a horizon? It's because the earth is a globe. Horizon can't exist on flat earth.
@@Needlestolearn there is no face on a sphere. The only shape without a face!
@@AlinBossu158 "face of the earth" is in the Bible 55 times, I believe.
Two spirits in this world folks, the spirit of the world which is the spirit most people have, and the Spirit of God which most people have no idea about.
I'm so glad Dan is fighting the good fight against BIG GLOBE.
People who want to cast doubt on the Word don't think the same way. They think they are too smart to be fooled and cannot get out of their pride to admit we've been duped. It's hard, yes but it's necessary NOW.
@@penelopepittstopP Now you are the one who think you are too smart to be fooled.
@@juanausensi499 No, I'm wise enough to admit that I was fooled for a very long time and humble enough to admit it and accept reality regardless of what this world and its "SCIENTISTS" pretend to know.
@@penelopepittstopP You are not humble enough to admit you have been fooled this time.
@@juanausensi499 If God says it, I believe it. Let God be true and every man a liar. (and every man is a liar) GOD is not. I'm humble enough to know this. You have not humbled yourself. Pot/Kettle action Mr. Juan.
Now see the confusion. Best to stick with flat earth theory. We can make it still work.
Unfortunately, you’ve made the modern flat-Earth movement very happy today. I question the value of listening to you any further.
Are you fucking serious?
@@notanemoprog - Absolutely. If Dan doesn't realize that his video will be used by those hucksters to claim that a true Bible-believing Christian MUST believe in a flat Earth, he must be immensely naïve.
@@tedetienne7639 there's no convincing flat earthers: you cannot sponsor an actual misreading to try. "I would not snare an orc with a lie" as someone says in "The Lord if the Ring".
So you would have him lie to promote an agenda? That’s not why I listen to his videos. I’m after an accurate description of what the original manuscripts that were used to make up the Bible say. Let the chips fall where they may. Flat earthers are detached from reality anyway so who cares how they respond?
@@rickedwards7276 - That's an extremely irresponsible attitude. Dan, of course, shouldn't lie, but a look through his video history shows that he - until now - has been aware of current issues and how Biblical interpretations impact them (such as the roles and rights of women, acceptance of LGBT folks, abortion...). By saying "Let the chips fall where they may," you might as well say, "Neutrality in the face of evil is NOT complicacy." The flat-Earth idea harms people and degrades their intellect, and it's not just going to go away by itself if everyone ignores it. It needs to be overcome, and Dan has harmed that effort.
Circle does not mean flat
It's a 2d view our eye can perceive
Only a sphere looks like circle from 2d view..
Circle does not mean flat it is a 2d viewing of dimension geometry
Whereas sphere is a 3d view formed..if u see the moon u would say its circle according to our viewing angle but we wont say its flat..
So flat and circle is different thing and concept...
And the water above is about the clouds composed of water not covered with ocean
Read
Job 36:27-29 NKJV
For He draws up drops of water, Which distill as rain from the mist, Which the clouds drop down And pour abundantly on man. Indeed, can anyone understand the spreading of clouds, The thunder from His canopy
Is still translated to sphere
And you still don't know that the word sphere wasn't in ancient Hebrew
And the vault is methaporical, Genesis days are methaporical
Could you please elaborate on how it translates to sphere?
@@adenosine2electricboogaloo647sphere is a 3d dimensional figure whereas circle is 2d..
It does not mean flat
So do you believe the planets, moon,Mars and the sun are flat too? Bahahahaha!
Parden me but you realize the fact that the earth is round? correct?????????????????????
He's speaking of how the people of the ancient near east conceptualized their world.
I’m struck by the number of question marks you chose to go with
@@Vitamin.Z The TRUTH resonates with those with the HOLY SPIRIT of God but the TRUTH rubs satanic people the WRONG way. That's just the fact of the matter. The road is NARROW.