The NEW Samsung Galaxy Fold 4 and Flip 4!
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- čas přidán 9. 08. 2022
- First impressions of the Galaxy Z Fold 4 and Z Flip 4
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cool phones but is it just me or is it weird how expensive these still are 4 years later?
hi
cost of production perhaps?
It's like what the Verge said, Samsung is the sole player in the foldable zone. If there's no competition, there's no incentive to compete on the pricing front.
No real innovation from Samsung in 4 years!!! Huawei would have definitely finished off Samsung like their CEO said, if the US had played fair. Samsung doesn't deserve to be a market leader. Makes phone ideally suited for teenage girls.
I woke up early to preorder...but even with rakuten and military discount I don't think the 4 is $800 better than this 3... I'm holding off for now.
I really hoped by gen 4 they’d have figured out a way to minimise the crease and get that price down
It’s really cool tech but just too expensive
Yeah mine which I've had since December of last year (which is when they have the best prices aka best buy) recently was dropped slightly on the hinge and the inner screen developed bleeding OLED down the center and started popping up slightly. I would never recommend someone buy these phones without a great deal like I got or if they just have money to burn. I'm happy to still have the front screen though as I still can use this as a normal phone so 🤙
@@donovanbishop5811 how much did you pay?
The crease isn't as bad as everyone says, barely even notice it even after months of use
Genuinely trust me, you completely stop noticing the crease after the first day or two. I used the Flip 2 for a full year, loved that phone.
Yeah, especially since every foldable on the international market, despite using Samsung displays, has a hinge that minimizes the crease in a much more noticeable way. Sigh....
I'm with you Dave on the prices. The reason, at least here in the US, that the prices are still high is like many people are saying, Samsung isn't being pressured by any other maker.
Oppo, Huawei, and Xiaomi are not only not marketed here, but even phones that should be compatible to work here are getting blacklisted by the major carriers.
Google, Apple, and what ever Oppo rebranded foldable 1+ has coming are our only real options, and I doubt either of these companies are going to sell them and any less of a price than what Samsung charges.
wait for sales.. fold 3 has been $899 at bestbuy for weeks now..
@@roboticvenom1935 fold 3 is 1500$ on best buy right now. what are you talking about
For a practical user a flagship is not at all required, midrange premium does our 100%job. Yeah people like throwing money obviously uograde evey year though the upgrade isn't worthy🤪🤪
They're close to actually making me buy one, I especially like the flip, I'll wait a few more years tho.
I really want to try the flip. Too bad it's 600 above my usual price range for phones, so if I eventually do get it it'd have to have second hand or after a significant consideration on my part.
Me too time for the ppi to maybe go above 400...
But why? It's worse at everything and normal phones fit in a pocket just fine don't they?
What if you don't have a few years, live your life, you never know
@@Dionyzos Other than it being cool, the current size of phones does bother me a bit, yes i can put em in my pocket but i rarely do so coz it just makes me feel uncomfortable.
And yes they are worse than normal right now, but thats y im plannin to wait for it to be better, In a world of small yearly incremental upgrades to normal phones, one with a weird quirk doesn't sound bad.
I love that you covered all of this information in 6 minutes where it took Lew 25 minutes to convey the same information. 👌🏻
Because Lew like to hear himself talk lol.
more ad run time
Only reason I didn't watch him.
Weird he talks so fast in this video. Seems off
@@tayjones8552 Lew rants a lot, he’s all over the place.
can't ever see myself buying a fold-style device, but a flip-style device in a few years could be the move
Why do we see having an on-screen fingerprint as the more premium/better option that having it mounted on the side?
Me amongst others that I know, really, REALLY prefer side-mounted fingerprint sensors, because it feels so much more ergonomic and intuitive than an on-screen fingerprint, plus its noticeably faster/more reliable a majority of the time.
Nothing but gimmick like the samsung edge phones
Me too its way more easy and i prefer on side
As Pixel 6 user, couldn't agree more. Back/side mounted fingerprint is the way to go
@@nyesExpress yeah honestly back sided fingerprint sensors are even better but is unfortunately more and more rare these days.
@@kinpact6100 AQ As
Man! the Fold 4 is kind of disappointing this year. very minimal update.
No crease change, no battery size change, no native pen holder. does the outside screen even have pen support?
I think I'm gonna wait for the Fold 5. the Fold 3 has been wonderful this past year.
Same. It's not a substantial upgrade over my Fold 3. I'll wait for the 5.
They becoming iPhone now.. damn :(
The big update is coming to Fold 5
I also will wait for Fold 5
@@ab-15188 just wanted to say the same thing
It always feels like Dave is living in the future
HUH????
Let's hope the robot's haven't taken over 🤣
@@priteshattal woooosh
Dystopian technocratic future
@red. He said huh because there's no context.
A friend of mine owns the fold3 over a year. I can’t help noticing how the crease deteriorated over time. He said it is due to the worn out productive film. It is a special film Samsung suggested not to be taken off. Not sure either if you can apply your own film or must it be done by Samsung. His back screen(small one) is also cracked, it turns out to be a very expensive screen to replace, it costs over AUD $500. His accidental warranty only covers the foldable screen. Does not cover the back sceeen according to Telstra. 😥
they fixed this in the fold 4
an Aussie!!
I love your reviews, they are short and straight to the point with all the information I need.
I think the two changes still required for these to mainstream are reduced pricing and being thinner in folded mode.
Also when being in folded mode it should closely mimic a normal smartphone. The Fold looks a bit tall and has a narrow width so it looks weird when using in unfolded state.
@@stelrex7293 yeah but it’s not a normal phone after all. If the front display becomes wider it’ll be more difficult to handle with one hand beca of itself thickness and the inner display becomes wider too, close to a square which is not good for versatility in my opinion (when you rotate a square it’s still a square but if it’s rectangle you will have different use cases).
I have the Fold 3 and I really like it, but it doesn't seem like there's been anything significant to make me want the 4. I'll wait until the next generation to see what happens.
My thoughts exactly, i also already have a case that can prop my fold 3 for content consumption :)
Yep, same here. I have the Fold 3 also and there isnt anything that warrants an upgrade. Honestly im more curious what Google is doing with their foldable device. I miss the simplicity of stock Android and that camera. Lets be honest, the camera on the Fold 3 is pretty terrible and the bloatware Samsung stuffs in their phones is very annoying.
I had a fold 3. I bought it new used it one time and the resell value was horrible I only got 800 for it. I don’t understand why it’s still expensive. I was hoping it would be around 1400
Hiding the hole in the screen would be enough for me... If the screen resolution wasn't so 💩 373 ppi 😂
Yeah, this is one of the least evolved phones I've seen compared to its predecessor. Unfortunate, since there's room for things to happen in the folding phone space, but not so much when it comes to traditional phones.
I'm glad you mentioned the crease. So many reviewers pretend it's not there, and it's my biggest bug bear with the Fold phones. I've had 1 and 2, but am holding off on an upgrade for when a crease-free fold is achieved!
You're the only one who mentioned the new case. thanks, I was really looking to know more about it.
I'm in love with the perfect time duration of your videos
Nah, I was immediately turned off by the crease this year. They had a whole year to see what the rest of the market was doing to fix it and they did seemingly nothing. Even if you ignore the visual interruption, cracks begin to form after a while, I had a coworker who went through 2 fold 3s because the display broke at the crease
Wonder how insurance is dealt with in this device.
Mine is also having this same issue and its a real let down
@@AR-rg2en poorly
Maybe they can't do something more or the don't care considering that there sales looks good from this phones.I heard that they are estimating to sell 15 million of these phones which is pretty good.
@@itpepaine5677 that's my guess, they save on R&D but keeping it mostly the same
My friend just bought a fold, he’s gonna be so mad when he sees this.
😂😂😂😂😂 tbh, if that happened to me I would be a wreck.
i did too but i’m noticing it’s not a big difference
Yikes
I mean, its good that at least his fold has better support, stability and more reviews to refer to, in case he needs to diagnose something.
Very minor changes and he probably got a good deal (at least I hope so!), in which case it's probably the right choice imo
Love the simplicity of these videos!
This man's videos are just awesome man
I can't overstate how much I appreciate your to the point reviews.
The bigger batteries coupled with faster more efficient chips pretty much solves one the biggest weaknesses of foldables: battery-life
The biggest weakness is the crease. That's a make-or-break thing for people who dislike it. I can deal with worse battery life, I cannot stand to stare at a crease.
@@rustler08 Well I suppose everyone has their petpeeves. Personally the crease does not bother me as it is transparent, but something like the huge black notch on an iphone are certainly a no no for me
I love the edited visual teal lines there're so sick!
The effort you put in editing shots well when i came to see this video just after marques one’s
This review is much more detailed and informative, than a review I saw just 30 min ago from another very well known reviewer. Nicely done dude.
MKBHD talked about the new taskbar feature on Fold 4, but not Dave, I wouldn't say Dave's is much more detailed and informative
i like when Marques Brownlee and Dave2D upload the same video at once
Embargo i guess
As well as Mrwhostheboss and Tech chap
Thank you Dave because of this video I re-discovered helluva boss and I binged watch the entire show. I got to say it is amazing. You really made my year :)
Man if folded the fold4 was the width of s9 I would love it. Right now folded is smaller than even the s8
Incremental updates are good... that means that they are reaching a point where these devices are reaching a tech saturation point. Also they can share more components with the previous gen, showing a price down trend in the future.
Not changing screen sizes a lot is also a good thing: One of the biggest things they need to focus on is app compliance to this new screen shape. Google and other apps can now spend more time trying to make their apps better adapted to this display size.
Nah. The internal aspect ratio on all non-clamshell foldable phones are garbage from all companies.
Galaxy Flex S is what a foldable device SHOULD BE. Samsung needs to deliver that style and internal aspect ratio in a phone.
but the prices arent trending down.
Subbox going crazy, Dave is the winner
Really looking forward to upgrading from the Fold 3. Cool video.
The prices drop quite drastically on these two phones if you just wait
For sure. A month ago, they were giving the Z Fold 3 for a trade in value of just $500. That was an insane deal for those who waited.
the trade-in value for the fold 3 is $1000
00:58 MAGIC
Dave's videos are amazing.... Like smooth
What a truly honest review, Dave. Thank you for the great content!!!
Honest!? if he was honest he would of easily told you to avoid Samsung products and go for Huawei which is light years ahead instead of these garbage.
@@handsomejustin He used a lot of euphemism. It is already much better than some other popular tech CZcamsrs who basically ignore the weaknesses of the phone.
Flip 3 at Best Buy for $300 seems like a bigger steal now.
Wut?!?!
Do you mean $300 less?
What? Where??
@@---_---_---_---_---_--- nope. $300 total (not including activation or taxes) for Verizon. not sure about the price for other carriers.
@@syfax3697 Best Buy.
I feel like there is no way they are selling enough of these to warrant full numbered new releases this often, but I guess I’m wrong
That back cover with the stand and S Pen is really cool!
Just picked up my Flip 4. Upgraded from Onplus 6T. Amazing experience so far.
Gonna be upgrading from my ol' Note 8 and was looking forward to switching to the Fold 4. Now I'm not sure if I should get the 4 or look for discounts on the 3 😅 then again, it's been hard finding a Fold3 here in Toronto, so idk. To be honest (and maybe this is just the way it looks on the video), the Fold4 crease looks better and slimmer to me than the Oppo one. I'm also not crazy mad about the pricing - I mean, my Note 8 was $1800 CAD and factoring in sky high inflation, I'm not surprised at the Fold4's cost. I'm still excited to get my hands on one of them!
The point about the crease was exactly what i was thinking. Seeing the find N i was hoping to get the flip 4 since i had thought they would improve on the crease but its been a disappointment personally.
same very dissapointed with rhe creaae and pricr. Oh well, i should buy their tablet instead of this.
The crease on the N was wide and large while the crease on Z fold is compact.
I have a fold 3, and I will say the crease is not noticeable after a week. You just get use to it, and it's a non factor. Won't get the 4, waiting on the Google foldable
@@johnsecret1318 the crease on the oppo find N looked unnoticeable to me, of course when its brand new, i dont use oppo as a brand so. But it looked really refined unlike the samsung. So i was hoping samsung refined it better than oppo in this iteration. Was looking to swtich to z flip 4 if they had redined the crease
@@willhenderson1126 yeah but the oppo find N had gotten my hopes high and i am not a fan of the fold but i liked the compactness of the flip so was hoping to switch
How the Eff is he able to make these videos like there are done in 1 take ! 🙌🏽 bravo
They are playing it safe but all things that are important, so kudoos.
Ahhh, the YT phone release bomb in my inbox....sigh....at least Dave does it with class and in far less time getting to the point. I love the comparison to the Find, it lets folks know there are competitors out there. I HATE the crease on the Fold and I'm not sold on the "thin glass" Samsung uses, I know too many folks who have issues after less than a year on that screen (cracks). And the price is still too much, period. Great job as always Dave!
Hyped for helluva boss season 2
Nice! I'm glad that you showed a case. Pro tip - Show more cases during pre-order, and people will come.
Exquisite review, kudos!
Haven't been excited for a tech release in a while, forgot about the fold since the first one came out whops lol
As for the price, Samsung had the huge losses for Fold 1, they had relatively less losses for Fold 2 but still enough (new screens, new hinge design), then they had losses close to zero for Fold 3 and now they just want money, this is why the technology is still the same.
Based on what?
@@kugelblitzingularity304 his ass
Interesting! Thank you for sharing it ✌️
Dude those tiny transition in these videos 🔥
Why do people expect foldables to be cheaper? They re literally more difficult to make and have unique features. Like fold4, it is like 3 phones. I think naturally foldables should be more expensive than any other flagships
I agree. Also in regards to the crease, these devices are some of the only(if not the only) ones that can stay partially folded. Other foldables achieve almost no crease by letting the screen bend over a bigger area. Making it hard to be partially open or even have water resistance for that matter
After almost 3 years, Samsung had every opportunity to make the Fold 4 their next flagship, no compromise device. Better ergonomics, less crease and better looking. It’s still pretty much a Fold 3 which is a damn shame.
There is barely any one in this business, atleast praise them
@@MysticalKO there are other players in the foldable business who are doing it better, just not in the US. Why would I praise Samsung for being complacent with the lack of US competition?
@@B3owulf if you compare other foldable side by side, Samsung is way ahead.
Tbh, I don’t really mind about the crease but no improvement on thickness and weight is really disappointing… carrying the fold3 is my pocket is seriously killing me…
@@B3owulf you mean oppo and huwai, only oppo is somewhat there but politics divide both these companies from the us.
Your motion graphics are nice and really appealing man
Dude, your graphics were killer in this vid!
1K for flip is not bad imo I love the design and it is very rare
Is not bad but they didnt actually change anything on flip beside battery and proc, still same screen/camera/model and etc
They have tricked you into thinking that it's worth 1k in the first place
@@iamzeman19082 iphone 13 pro base vs flip I would choose the flip I don’t line my 11 and I feel like ios isn’t as enjoyable . I would rather want something unique and flip does the job. My real concern is the heat I used s7 before my iphone and that thing burned a lot that is the thing w samsungs.
they improved the strength of ultra thin glass so I personally don't care about the crease
I don't think I have ever wished for a phone as much as I have for the Z Flip. Hopefully, I can buy it one day!
Ooh yeah!!! really cool to look at in videos,that is it about these devices for me nowadays.
this man got time machine?
Can I borrow it 😁
Really upsetting how the main feature of the fold (inside screen) has gone backwards with this defunct aspect ratio in effort to make the phone “mainstream” by widening the outside display
the fastest video for flip 4 and fold 4. supeeerrrr
Still has the best thumbnail, Dave!
Too many flaws for 4th gen technology. Large crease and still too expensive for most of the consumer market. Hoping next year will be better.
i dont like the trend of the unfolded screen approaching a square aspect ratio, that's like the screen you're going to want for video watching and gaming so why make it worse for both of those, just give me like a short and wide boi folded screen and then when you unfold it you get a nice 16:9 screen. or just stop with the folding nonsense and give me a phone with a large and usable aspect ratio like the nexus 6 again
Dave I respect so much that you at least showed the Oppo, all the other reviews (just saw one other really, you who I am talking about ;P) sound too much as Samsung ads lately. refreshing, thanks
Yooooo helluva boss shout-out??? Love Dave EVEN more now
Samsung Users 2014: We want a Note with flat screen, no curved edges.
Samsung 2022: Notes still curvy, 4 gens plastic foldable screens that scratch, look horrible and cost a kidney.
Smartphones are becoming boring, same thing different price tag
Get a Surface Duo for experiment
No competition will get ya exactly these!
The stand for the fold is convenient and decent too.
Awesome video, I'm using fold 2 and the crease never bother me but the narrow front screen is really a pain to use
Nice video dave!
I’m so exited I’ve been watching leaks and rumours for these devices for moths and there finally out
I don't think Dave has caught a ball in his life, he's got no traps. Still love ya Dave. Keep up the great work.
I carry two phones most of the time since 2004. Battery life has never been an issue. And most of the small phones I got had crap battery life.
Dave is rocking the Alfalfa style.
Great video as always!!
Will you be doing a hands on for the motorola Razr 2022 too?
THAT HELLUVA BOSS CAMEO! 💯🤣
The digitizer is probably the reason for the same crease as last year's fold3. Apparently it took them some time to develop the ai to read out the imput of thr s pen on the small gap.
If you look at the trade-in discounts being offered here in the UK they are considerable and do make the phones more affordable.
#1 fan of ur short but plenty of info reviews @Dave2D
omg a tech tuber watching helluva boss, that surprised me a lil lol. woke me up more than the coffee im drinking rn
That sound at the end of the video is so immersive that I was looking all over my rom wondering where it was coming from 😂😂
Looove the Helluva Boss cameo! Amazing series!
Dave, please make a studio tour and how you keep it clean and stuff
5:50 though😂😆 the background sound.
before getting my Flip 3 several CZcamsrs stated after a while you dont notice the crease. and i dont notice it most of the time. im glad that the F3 is getting updates for a few yrs. the bigger batt is the only feature i want from the F4. but its not enough to make me upgrade.
Real fold and flip is back 🔥🔥🔥
Good thing about these new folding phones is the large discounts for the last gen ones.
Can get a Flip 3 at Best Buy for 300 bucks with Verizon or AT&T
More width is better than the ultra slim if it's still manageable in the close position. It be nice if the crease on the screen be very light closer to invisibility when the fold is in open position.
Can you believe sometimes I don't care about tech?. I just watch dave's videos to get energy from him😅
Time flies money depreciated so much
3:10 “it makes the old camera… old!” Lol
Given the refresh rate we can achieve on these displays you would think that tuning the refresh rate to the cameras frame rate you can obtain full pixel saturation and retain camera functionality. I truly believe its not a matter of technology but rather more holding back technology to feed future iterations.
the thumbnail image for this video is similar to that of mkbhd’s and it tripped me out when you appeared on the preview for a sec
Camera upgrade and battery life are the two biggest issues for me. Hopefully they step it up next year
Dave is such a good speaker that it sounds like he just turns the camera and start speaking, but I can’t believe that someone can speak so verbally fluent for that long. Does anyone know if he writes scrips?
Flip Main camera is the one from fold 3.. great upgrade
While there is not much a big difference from last gen but i think this refinement would bring people who were hesitant to get the fold/flip last gen to getting it this time. I know i am one of them who wanted a flip 3 but hesitant and see reviews and people i know got how they experienced it i am getting it this time if there is a good deal.