Is This The Ultimate Saw For Cutting Metal?
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2024
- Ive been waiting for a saw like this for years! Evolution just released this 14” Dual Mitering Metal Saw and it is awesome! This could be the best “one and done” saw on the market today. Im excited to share it and get it into my workflow at the shop.
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It's a bit like the idea of putting wheels on a suitcase, we could have had this decades ago. But it's finally here and Evolution are living up to their name.
Just bought one for my own business. I’ve used hot cutoff, cold cutoff and bandsaws (both high and low end) and am very impressed by the capabilities of this saw. Very well thought out and executed.
Looks like a very handy piece of kit Chris! Great demo mate! :)
Thanks mate. Really appreciate you highlighting this saw, and it’s features.
I am fairly confident that the Vee blocks for the clamp face are meant to hold square tube up at an angle (ie. diamond cross section) when making flush cuts at 90 degrees. That way, the blade only ever cuts through two thin walls at once, and never encounters a wide flat cut area, like it would on the top and bottom faces of a normal cut. Carbide likes to clear the chips.
Back when I had a dry cut saw, I fabricobbled some Vee blocks out of walnut for that purpose. They worked great. Highly recommended.
Diagonal cross section is very helpful when cutting 90s but doing any sort of mitered angle cut your tubing has to lay flat.
Evolution has great products. Thorough demonstration of this upgraded new model. I appreciate the demos you provide! 👍 😃
Nice presentation! I purchased one of the original Evolution chop saws years ago and as crude as it was, it was a huge step up from other methods of metal cutting and fabrication. It's nice to see that Evolution is continuing to be creative and innovative. It may be time for an upgrade.
One of the best videos for comparitive product review. Great job! Really like the dual miter feature A real time saving product.
That saw is awesome, I’ve been waiting to pull the trigger on a chop saw for a while and I’m glad I waited so I can get this beast. Thanks for sharing!
I really like my Evolution saw, I was using other saws for fabrication and this is a great addition to the shop. I recently used it to champfer 1.5" solid bar stock 4 sides @30° with a clean and accurate surface without adding heat to the part. I completely stopped using my abrasive cut off saw. I appreciate the clamping system, it is well engineered. Helpful hint: For small cut offs that can tend to fly off I keep a roll of 2" painters tape next to the saw, the tape will usually hold the cut off piece in place.
Chris awesome job reviewing and testing it out. Very nice job explaining and review this tool. Hopefully you get great use out of it for many years to come my friend. Can't wait to see more videos soon Chris. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work my friend. Forge On. Fab On. Weld On. Keep forge lit. Keep Making. Don't die. God bless.
Great vid. So glad they finally developed this saw.
Very informative video with relevant analysis. I bought this saw a month ago and I agree with your presentation of this saw. I also bought the 3 blades (thin steel, aluminum, stainless), Thanks for this nice and fairly complete coverage of the subject.
So Wise , Thank you . Such a fine tool .
I've had mine for a hot minute it is amazing. The clamp takes some getting used to but it's awesome for custom steel handrail.
I am in total agreement with you. I have the lesser Evolution saw and it is better than any other saw I have. I would be in hog heaven with that dual miter saw. Thanks for the video keep on keeping on.
I’ve been using an evolution saw for a few years now, total game changer
im late to the party thanks for the shout out man .... ive been really liking that saw best in class for sure
You’ve done a great job taking it from good to great! I think there’s a market for the stiffening block you made for the back!
@@MakeEverything thanks man ……I have been considering it. I think it helped with the vibration significantly …..even without it solid saw though
Very good and informative video 🤙👊👏
Great video. When you say dual miter, the term that you are looking for is compound miter. Also, a good check for square cuts is to cut a longer piece in half, leave in on the saw or place it against a straight edge. Then turn the cut off half over and butt the two pieces together. Any error will be doubled.
My experience with these types of saws is limited and apparrently i always saw what you called a hot saw. That scared me away. After using a bandsaw that didnt work very well on rectangular tubing,im most likely going to but this one. Thank you for the video!
Thank you so much sir for this video !!!!
I dunno if it's still around but I believe evolution use to have a video explaining it kinda; the adjustment is about putting the least work required on the blade(efficiency; makes the blade last longer).... make it cut the least material at any point..... aka square tube start at a corner rather than down the middle, rectangle same idea... flat bar cut thing side rather than long side... L channel, top corner.... etc etc
would have liked to see the test against solid stock, as well as the max solid / pipe capacity that the saw offers. Excellent saw looks like
I have used it to cut a forklift fork and it was a perfect cut, it was cleaner faster, and cooler than using a bandsaw and abrasive wheel.
So, it’s basically a sliding woodcutting saw that has a slow speed and some mods. I’m surprised others haven’t done this before, but if this sells, others will have them too.
Great saw it’s a game changer
I didn't hear mentioned (maybe I missed it?) that this simply has more complete support for longer work, on both sides, making it way more usable with less fiddling around on longer pieces. I'd say that the added support is the biggest attraction of this saw. The dual miter is a bonus.
One of my biggest complaints regarding power metalworking tools is that the bases or tables for supporting the work piece tend to be way too small. My drill press became a lot more easy to use and clamp to when I added a larger table. I'm going to take a look at my old style Evolution to see if I can widen its base. The original base is annoyingly narrow. Supporting the work piece well makes a big difference in how practical a tool is.
Bought one, love it. Will do most of what I need. Menards had it much cheaper got on sale then my son had a 10% employee discount plus 11% rebate. Don't think they arry it anymore.
As for the angle situation for peace of mind you could use a piece of square tube inside the angle
when squaring up the blade to fence it helps to lock the blade in the down position. lets you get both hands involved. wish i wouldn't have got the 15 in saw now.
Nice review, however when you are cutting wider material...if you look at that sheet you showed at the beginning of the video the sliding aspect allows you to not center over the material necessarily but rather cut thru the thinnest profile of anything that your trying to cut at any given moment. its better for the blade to enter the corner of a piece of tube rather than the flat face. if you look at the paper it shows that as well on a piece of tube towards the bottom.
I had this saw about 7 years ago
The blades dulled so fast it was about $10 a cut
I noticed that they have changed the teeth quite across blade manufacturers to what I thought they should be
I hope they actually last longer
The Evolution saws are great for angle and tubing. For solid stock, like we typically see in a machine shop, the band saw is better.
Great video and very informative as usual. Thanks !
good stuff
I have been using the Rage sliding miter saw about the time they entered the market u can make frames with it might not be as friendly as the new machine but a nice feature the dual metal blade for steel and aluminum if I am to lazy to change my set up on my big band saw I will use the miter saw I wouldn't go buy the new cut off saw unless the old one died .
Last week I got a like new 14" Evolution saw w/ metal blade at an estate sale for $125. I was very happy with it until I saw this video...
Angle iron miters on my current chop saw always fails me. Can’t wait to pick up one of these
Awesome say - I have it myself and it has relegated my 14" Fein Slugger cold saw to collecting dust now. One thing I'd like to point out - at 5:22 in, you brought the blade down (trigger off) and banged it against the 1" x 3" tube you were cutting. NO NO NO!!! NEVER bang a carbide blade into a metal work piece! As strong as those carbide teeth are, they are also very brittle and what you did could have at the least made a small fracture in one or more of the teeth upon impact, or possible broken one off. Always be ever so careful not to lower your blade so fast as to 'bang' into your work piece. Just saying. You did an excellent job of pointing out all the attributes of this saw, kudos also for explaining the different blades available and how they are specific to different metals. Well done my friend!
I use two blades, a 14” aluminum blade and a Diablo steel/stainless blade. I’ve had my saw for seven years. I’ve made a huge number of cuts. I’ve replaced the Diablo once during that time, two years ago. The blade works very well on both steel and stainless. It cuts easily and smoothly. You don’t need to buy two,blades for steel and stainless just this one. It Also costs less, the first one cost about $67, the second one, with inflation, cost $84. It’s a bargain, really. I’m not affiliated with the company, and you’ll find a lot of very good reviews. It’s worth trying.
@Make Everything First off, Great Video on what looks to be a Great Saw! Aaron at West Weld had already made me a Believer & soon to be Buyer of this Saw.
I just wanted to let you know something about how you’re Cutting that is going to shorten the Life of your Blades. This is something I learned from Evolution themselves when I bought my old 15” Evolution Chop Saw, the EVOSAW380.
Anytime you’re cutting a piece of Rectangular Shaped Metal, you should cut it in its “Tallest/Vertical” Form. Like the 1”x3” Tubing that you were cutting. That should be placed in the Saw to where the Saw Blade is coming down on the 1” wide part of the Tube, meaning the 3” part is sitting Vertically against the Fence of the Saw.
I am just passing in the knowledge that was shared with me by the Engineers at Evolution. I realize that if you were needing to cut a Miter across the 3” face of the Tubing this wouldn’t be possible, but should always try to remember this when making straight 90 degree Cross Cuts.
They swear that this Extends Blade Life by quite a bit, by as much as 35 - 45%
That’s a lot more Cuts per Blade before having to shell out 100+$ for a new Blade.
Just thought I’d pass that along to you.
I am a lil OCD so that has stuck in my Head ever since the day they told me this.
Keep up the Great Work!!!
I love my 1st gen evolution nothing compares to these brand of saws.
Very impressive. I have the DeWalt carbide blade saw, it’s ok, but the vise is not accurate and not even close to precision, it’s sloppy, and only bevels to one side. Had it 8 years so it’s had a workout. I will truly look into this Beast you’re demonstrating. This looks like a Great replacement for the old DeWalt! Thanks CHRIS!
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Just got mine in and can't wait to fire it up!!! great vid!!!
any thoughts about your experience with your saw?
@curiousbystander9193 i cut really long pieces so its nice to set up once and cut 90 and 45 and any other angles. Smooth saw
think it'll get through 1 and 1/2 inch hot rolled solid stock round bar, and 4x4 square tube with 3/8 walls, thanks, all square cuts? how's the blade last and replacement cost? Any use throwing a little oil on thicker cuts? Just wondering ...... wanna spend it once, yah know. @@DerekConwayTX
@curiousbystander9193 i cut 1/4 wall 4x4 posts weekly. Never cut that big of round bar but id just cut it slow. Yeah it cuts square pretty much right outta the box. Get the evolution blades for sure and take care of them you should get about 600 cuts
sweet, thanks for your info man..... that's like a shot of whiskey here tonight, and I aint a drinker.....3/8 shouldn't be a problem then with 4x4.... and what special care do you speak of outside of stuff like not dinging the teeth against metal when not running and such...? Thanks again....happy cutting....gosh, pricing out metal here is like shopping for a new car....just painful@@DerekConwayTX
very good advertisement, thank you
Only thing I wish it was is a compound miter. I love the saw, put mine on horrible freights hercules stand.
Well thanks a lot for showing me this. Now I have to figure out what to say to my wife when a big box shows up.
Also, I noticed a line of tape measures by the big saw. Do they all measure the same?
I've had mine for a several months, it's awesome, accurate and safe. Only thing missing is LED lighting for blade edge alignment. Got any ideas about how to do this?
I have mine on a HF Hercules saw stand. So nice.
That’s a good point, I’ve done it on other saws, I’m sure it’s possible on this… I’ll have to give it a try
@@MakeEverything the protection shield gets in the way of making it easy. I'd like to see what you think about it.
It has always driven me crazy the way regular chop saws handle miters. The angle is terrible to set, the clamp is useless on an angle, and like you said, you either need a huge sweep area or you need to pivot the saw. It’s mind blowing that it’s taken this long.
What about solid bar stock? these any good at say 3" round 4140?
Hey bro, amazing video and awesome product. Really love your channel. I'm a fabricator from South Africa. Any idea how can I get my hands on one?
Really interested in this saw BUT I’m curious what you think of the metal blades that are made for regular chop saws?
That blade also works for wood? I live in both worlds (wood and metal) and could use an upgrade on my old power miter box (which is “old tech”).
Thanknyou for all thisgood information...
Can this saw double up as your go-to miter saw for wood?
I just bought this saw. Have you used it to cut hot billets? Wondering if I could use it while making Damascus without having to let the steel cool first.
any thoughts on cutting 4x4 hot rolled square tubing, 3/8 thick walls, square cuts? Will that blade last for a couple hundred cuts?
Could this do solid material that was larger? Like a solid 2" bar or something.
I don’t have one. I don’t need one. But I want one 😂
ok, so what do i do to the wood choppers to make them good for steel, and which of the economical blades is best?
I’ve never used the cold cutting saws how does these blades work on oil field pipe? 2 3/8” and 2 7/8” pipe
Thats the problem i had was getting it to cut true. Everytime i changed my miter, i had re check it. Ended up giving it away.
I just bought one. My old chop saw, and band saw have become instantly outdated.
Very impressed with this saw. However, I have a small home shop witha wood mitre saw that makes me wonder is this saw can be used either way to save space in my shop? Will the Evolution work with wood as well?
They make another model that does wood and metal
Hopefully in that same model, wished i knew where to look. Time will come and Ill find it. thanks. God bless
Does the saw need to be tightened to the base? looks like there is a lot of movement.
I’m a home DIYer. I have been looking at the Evolution saw for a few years. You did not show it, if the saw could do compound miter joints. I do understand there is forces involved with this type of cutting. If the saw could do compound miter cuts then it would not only add to the metal side of the shop, it would also replace my Dewalt compound miter saw. One saw to do it ALL!!!
Just rotate the piece 90 degrees then make your second miter cut. Even woodworkers do this on compound miter saws.
Any chance of a link - the evolution site geo blocks Australia to a handful of old models
What is the advantage of this saw over say a deep cut (5") band saw on a good stand?
Is it just the mitering that's so valuable?
(asking as a rookie)
I would say yes, the adjustability and mitering is a huge advantage. Also, I really do like the clamping setup on this vs some of the other saws I have, and the saw head adjustability to the center line of the cut. Time will tell how it holds but but so far I’m very impressed!
Can you cut lumber with this too?
Are these saws also available in the 230v or 240v versions ?
maybe dumb question but can you use it on wood as well?
It can cut steel 2x2 tubes, but for machine shop use, could it cut 1/2x1/2 bars all the way to 2x2 bars?
I’ve been using the Rage DB saw for over 5 years (it’s in my dual miter saw station video) and it’s given me very unique cutting capability. Interesting that this doesn’t slide like a typical SCMS. Sliding on the Rage is a bit dicey, especially for large cuts at an angle. A fixed cutting pivot seems safer, larger blade too. My blades dull very fast as well and I think it’s partly because the smaller diameter blade would cause a higher tooth wear rate. My saw is super loud, though. And I wouldn’t bother using it for woodworking.
The clamps on the front need cranks rather than knobs; as it is your wrists are going to get all kinds of sore from using it for more than a few cuts.
Are all these cuts shown in real time? Thanks.
you think that would struggled much with 1 and 1/2 inch solid stock, cold rolled?
Well that beats going through lots of blades on a regular miter saw 😅 3 cuts and it's a wrap 👀
What is the maximum cutting size.price of blades and approx. life span of blade
I can see having a different blade for aluminum etc but do you think you actually need a different blade for thin mild steel?
I know the thin steel blade has 90 teeth vs the standard mild steel blades 66 teeth. I’d guess it helps with accuracy and tear out. Honestly I’ve never used the thin blade, but I know you definitely want the stainless blade if your planning to do stainless work!
How long does the blades last?
Where did you bought it from?
I have a sears radial arm saw that i use for cutting steel. Either with abrasive wheel or steel cutting blade from harbor freight. Also have band saw. Plasma torch and automatic feed table with forward and backward and also adjustable feed speed that i made for Plasma torch
Can you use a carbide saw blade on hot saw, or would that be asking for trouble?
Great video
I assume RPM would be an issue.
Although you dont *need* to use lubricant/cutting fluid with these saws I am told it will make the blade last significantly longer. I have not tested this myself but I do put a small drop of cutting fluid on before each cut when I use my similar saw.
Nah. Didnt work for me.
Speaking from 5 years of heavy use with one of the older evolution saws, the cold cut "feature" doesnt last that long especially on thicker materials
puts my band saw to shame
My first evolution saw burned up the SUPER wimpy speed controller the first day. Makes me question all their products.
Does it use fluid ?
the problem with these is the blade is still rotating fast and they dont last forever and what do ya think happens when the blade goes
How much is a blade……How many cuts will you get from a blade ?
You want to cut that flat or rectangle material vertical to save wear and tear on your blade
I run a cold, cutting sawblade on an old DeWalt sliding compound miter saw have for years.
Does anyone see the benefit I would achieve with this saw over the situation I’m using.
By the way, after a few years, I added a speed controller to Dial in the RPM’s as I use different diameter sawblade I did the same thing with an old tablesaw
I was wondering, very interesting about the speed control. Do know how it works, like does it reduce the torque?
@@jeremyspecce Every post I've read about using the speed controllers indicate you lose too much torque. I hate having to buy a dedicated saw like this for my limited use.
I've been using a lowly jig saw to cut 1 inch x 3 inch wide 1018 :( Talk about frustration :(
I heard with metal blades you always want to take off a full blade width of material when cutting. The teeth will wear differently if you don't take full blade width cuts.
I disagree, this doesn't look like it was designed for metal as it doesn't cope round tube. Would be nice if this had the ability to cope. I have the S380. I bought brackets to mount it on my DeWalt chop saw stand. BTW, nice shop!👍
Have you cut tool steel yet?
What’s the size of the circular blade and how many teeth does it have?
it IS a COLD saw.
Yes, wish i had bought that saw, got the 380 instead..
What is the RPM of the blade?