The pretentious aspect comes from those who thinks that the 27 steps is the only way to enjoy coffee and that you do not deserve to claim that you love coffee otherwise. Edit: And even if you do 27 steps, it might not be THEIR 27 steps so you're doing it wrong still.
The thing is, if you go to any coffee related community and act pretentious about how one coffee is better than another, you will get immediately flooded with dislikes and people telling you that people can enjoy things however they like. I think pretending that these communities are super pretentious is stupid and only comes from seeing people with expensive complex machines and techniques and ASSUMING that they think they are better for making coffee that way.
How many people have you seen actually act like this? Is this a serious problem in the coffee community, or did you just read a couple annoying comments that got downvoted or ratioed?
These types of people give the community a bad name and it’s quite annoying. Whatever method you like wether it be that high end specialty coffee in Colombia with the 39 steps puck prep, or if it be an instant coffee with milk and sugar, the important part is that you enjoy yourself.
Finding the perfect coffee can be a journey, and you might never find it. There's a story about Tom Petty (yes the musician) going in to a diner, and he ordered a coffee. once he started drinking it, he realized that it's the best coffee that he's ever had. He HAD to know how they made it. So he politely asked if he could go back in the kitchen and see exactly how they made it. They showed him an old commercial stainless steel Bunn coffee machine from the 1960's. They showed him that they used a precise amount of coffee and water for each pot. What was the coffee they used? It was none other than just plain ole Maxwell House, in the blue can. Petty immediately got on to ebay and ordered multiple of this exact coffee machine model, Maxwell house and the exact measuring spoons they used. That was HIS perfect coffee. If you find YOUR perfect coffee, that's all that matters, and it might be more simple than you think.
It's true. Some of us have sensitive taste buds and not just any coffee will suffice. It's why I'm not just drinking coffee like water, I actually need to taste and enjoy what I make.
A friend of mine (F) shared a story with me of one of their coffee enthusiast colleagues (M) visiting their home. When she offered him some coffee, he politely declined, saying "he came prepared" and proceeded to whip out his tools from a hand bag he was carrying with him. My friend wasn't really offended, but it is really off-putting to see someone decline coffee just because "they prefer the stuff they make". It's not so much being pretentious than it is "reading the room" and knowing when certain behaviors or comments are appropriate. And that goes for anyone who's very passionate about their hobbies.
it's funny, because I fully believe there's a much better way for him to have played that exact same situation. To say "oh actually, will you let me show you this way? It's really cool and I'm excited to share it"
@@Romanticoutlawyeah i agree. he couldve also said, "hey would it be alright if got you on that next coffee cup? id really appreciate if you let me share my passion with ya."
Definitely agree! Personally I think the only time when niceties would need to be put aside is if it's less out of pretensiousness and more out of someone's personal health reasons (like if someone turned down regular glutenous bread because they have Celiac disease or they're gluten-sensitive, or they bring fancy fake coffee/mushroom coffee because their anxiety/heart rate would go through the roof). I'm not saying people haven't used their personal health issues to flex pretentiousness (or some sort of moral superiority), but things get complicated once personal health reasons come into play.
I just crocheted a blanket. It took forever, I spent well over $100 on materials, and it's not perfect. But it was fun (and a little frustrating) to make. It wasn't just about the blanket, a lot of the joy comes from the actual crocheting.
Right. Even trying to point to video games. We all know there are normal gamers and then there are pretentious gamers. You can do a hobby without making it pretentious.
@@Faint366 Which is his point. How can you call this pretentious and completely miss the point. He enjoys doing it this way. As long as he's not judging you and your coffee then it's not pretentious.
@@kingcam0775 I’m explaining why people are calling coffee snobs pretentious. It’s not just because they spend money on themselves, it’s because they go out and tell everyone else “you’re doing it wrong” for wanting normal coffee. Can you fucking read?
@@kingcam0775that isnt his point. Hes saying that people that are calling it pretentious are missing the point, when in reality, people shaming others due to "inadequate" brewing styles is as pretentious as it gets, and that happens all the time. This guy might have a hobby, but that doesnt mean that so many others only see it as a way to brag about their wealth and flaunt their fanciness
"And?" I" had to turn on my pocket blackhole and Dyson sphere, so I could run all of my machines (30 hours of naming machines) and my machine that atomizes the coffee and shoots it at just the right angle to make the coffee taste like the most perfect thing ever." "I just want to go home, you're fine, I won't put this on you record *weak crying*"
that one sucked, rethink that one. lightning rod makes no sense in this. not to mention that you messed up the first line, needs comma and theres no explanation of “cup.” cup of coffee is better, not just “cup.”
We place the lightning rod below an unrosted cup of bean. We then open the operator hand book and cast “lightning bolt”. Now that the beans are roasted we can now begin grounding them
your arguments are totally understandable, I'm just against the enthusiasts that try to justify the hassle by making themselves believe the result is proportionally superior as the fancy effort they put.
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Well, I once did had a search party over because of some other dude with the exact same name as me. Yup - the siphon was on the counter, next to various grinders and implements... fun times
It's not pretentious if you are honest that you do it for the fun of it. It's pretentious when others claim doing the 20 steps makes it somehow superior.
I mean, it's gonna taste better, usually. Same as homemade ramen is gonna taste better than Cup o Noodle. It wouldn't be a hobby if there wasn't a difference. Just don't judge people who aren't into coffee for drinking generic brand bulk coffee
@@cryterion7770 and I said in the very first sentence of my comment that it'll Usually taste better. Usually is not always. Sometimes home cooking tastes bad, sometimes home brewing tastes bad too. But usually it tastes good
@@cryterion7770 okay, and I say it makes a difference. Obviously, the machines would not exist if there was not a difference. I don't go out and buy a 400 dollar airbrush just because I want to spend money, I do it because it makes my painting easier and better looking. He buys an aeropress to make the coffee taste different. And sometimes it doesn't go well. Sometimes you pick the wrong coffee and it tastes worse or the same. A hobby is all about experimentation and honing your craft. He says as much when he points out that it feels like a science experiment. Experiments have results, some good, some bad, some neutral.
@@cryterion7770 but part of the fun IS enjoying the taste. A bit like baking a nice cake, the fun part is eating it… Doesn’t always go 100% right, but when it does, damn. 😅
I had read some the comments in the thread, and I have to say this. Majority of these comments are quick to get aggressive, whether pro-coffee or the contrarian. As someone who have never really care about coffee, I just find these kinds of videos are cool. Like those bartender gimmicks and PC building videos. For some comments from pro-coffee, some are giving (imo) quite a solid advice, but gets a little aggressive when other gets dismissive or confrontational. As for some that "oooo, coffee maker are so condescending, ooo" I get it, and I can see them even in this comment section. But imo it's just unfortunately that you are probably interacting with people that rub the wrong way against you. It's not just coffee enthusiasts, PC enthusiasts, game enthusiasts, car collectors, hell even some stamp collecters (personal experience). Personally, it's not the group's fault, just some individuals with too little tack in sharing their hobbies (giving benefits of doubt)
I wish I could get a taste of his coffee, that looks amazing. The smoothness of the coffee as it’s poured into the mug/cup. The glint of light and clearness almost the color of brown sea glass.
I think the main problem that people have is that so many people nowadays who do this type of stuff treat others as less than because they don't spend thousands of dollars on their means of making coffee. Same goes for other hobbies too. As long as you're not being a snob about it, I see no problem with it
Well i think the issue is justifying an expensive hobby. Some hobbies are just fun in of itself but brewing coffee with 40 extra steps and lying to yourself that it somehow tastes better seems disingenuous and thats where the pretentious accussations come in. Spending extra time and money for a worse cup of coffee? Thats the height or luxury and waste.
@@rw5622This reeks of insecurity. What use do your hobbies have? How would you know if this coffee is better or worse than anything you have had? It's rather embarrassing to be so close minded.
@@Croptopkinrealistically there's only so much you can do to alter the flavour of a bean beyond doing things directly to it. This video for example it probably doesn't taste different to just using a proper filter or a good cafetiere since at the end of the day the process you're using is boiling. The thing in this video is just using something akin to reflux to make the process look impressive, but the process is exactly the same of boiling water
Same can be the same regardless of hobby. “Oh you play console? Well you should play PC!” “Oh you like movies? Well you should read books!” “Oh you like this? Well you ahould this that” Regardless of what it is people will always bitch
If you've never tried roasting your own arabica beans, it is well worth the process and getting to know how it effects the flavor. It's a little time-consuming for most folks, but I say give it a go when you have the spare time at least once. There's a special kind of charm and personal touch to it.
I think doing this stuff would be fun, but my morning coffee would definitely be from the everyday instant coffee machine. I would get some crazy shit like this out if I knew it was a slow and boring day
I try get up at 4:30 and out of my house by 5:00 when I have the morning shift at work. I don't really like instant coffee but I don't have time for anything else. Sometimes I literally have 5 min cause I am not great at getting up early enough and I barely have time to make myself instant coffee. I love good coffee but I don't have time for anything else and I need coffee to function in the morning
People don’t accuse coffee enthusiasts about being pretentious because they enjoy making it, it’s because 99% they are insufferable about their tastes and look down on others for drinking affordable coffee.
I love coffee but also don't care what coffee other people drink. It's something I love and that doesn't have to be the same for everyone. If it tastes good to you and you like it, that's all that matters. All the baristas I've met have been the most down to earth kind people.
I'm a chef so my hobby is kitchen things. I'm pretty sure my knives alone are about 30k. That was the point I realized that I have no room to talk, lol.
Pretentiousness isn’t about being nerdy or geeky about a subject, it’s about imposing and judging your idea of the “right way to do something” onto others. The reason many feel that coffee nerds are pretentious is because they have been judged by them. If there isn’t any judgement I think people wouldn’t really care.
You’re 100% on the money. It’s ok to be nerdy/geeky about coffee. But when it has to be this way or you think less of someone then it’s a problem. I don’t care much about coffee but I know there’s different roasts and how they affect caffeine levels (light are more caffeinated and dark cook more out). Also the coffee beans have different profiles and all that. There’s some people who like it distinctly black but also want their beans a certain way. And that’s fine but at the same time if that person is going to judge me because I add milk and sugar then they’re pretentious.
As (once) an alcoholic, I feel like coffee experimenting and brewing as a hobby is just the same as alcoholic mixology but safer. At least it’s not much detrimental to the health compared (stunned height and anxiety vs… everything your brain and muscles do but kinda poisoned) But at the same time, fuck off… “yOuR iRiSh cOfFeE iS oNlY tHreE iNgRedIeNts?” Me, using red wine sometimes in my coffee, the most wrong alcohol for it and might as well be called French coffee: “Yes.”
"See in my opinion, it's all about the Quinic acid level. You want just the north 4800 milligrams per liter... but if you over-boil to get there, you'll leach their tannins. Bitterness, yuck. So pull a mild vacuum... That way, I can keep the temperature no higher than 92°C and... Judge for yourself." -Gale Boetticher
I think it’s cool to be a bit nerdy/overly into the detail and craftsmanship of certain things. Like how some guys like watches or train sets, and other things along that same line. I got my first cheap watch and had to fix something on it recently, and taking time to make the adjustments while trying to be careful as possible was rather fun. Even though I wouldn’t consider myself a watch snob at all, I instantly understood after that hour of working, and had that feeling of “Oh, this is why people love this.” Same thing like how people are really into wine, hand crafted figurines/vases, bonsai trees, or even super specific things like carved wooden spoons. I think the people that scoff at such hobbies just want everything done quick, which is understandable on a tight schedule. However, it’s nice to slow down sometimes.
You know someone is a literal child when they start off their sentence with a “bro” and ended it with an emoji, since you kid still lack the basic vocabulary knowledge to construct a basic sentence. It used to be in a dialogue format back then, now you kids have evolved to communicate through memes.
When he said video games it was very general, I think he meant high end PC gamers. Some PC gamers basically buy all the highest ends for every part of their builds. Like, the expensive watercooling, highest end graphic card, and rgb lights everywhere. The cost can rack up a lot like, like $ 3000-$5000 upwards. Plus pre ordering many AAA, AA games which cost a lot as well. Upgrading to the newest components every few years are also expensive. All that for the highest graphics and frame rates possible. In that sense, no much different that this guy being a high end coffee enthusiast no? In terms of their spending.
@@oliviasengkey7703No. Video games are an entertainment product, coffee is your 5 minute morning routine. The regular dude on the street can easily see why people spend top dollar for their favorite games, movies, or any other product designed to entertain you. Having coffee as a hobby when all it does is create something that the average person would find little to no difference compared to instant coffee is not a worthwhile hobby.
@@castlewhite1577 In the end, it's a hobby, no? Whether you think it's worthwhile, or not, it's not up to us, it's for the people who are in the hobby. Many regular people don't spend top dollar for entertainment, and balked at people who do. In the end, the reason don't matter to people who are not in the hobby and don't understand the purpose. Many hobby in the end cost a lot, if you want to dive deep enough. Are they worthwhile? Who knows. Comparing it objectively won't be reasonable in the first place, because in the end, it's subjective. What's worthwhile to you, won't be for others and vice versa. People often forget that.
Use It or Lose It But you, dear friends, must build each other up in your most holy faith, pray in the power of the Holy Spirit, and await the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ, who will bring you eternal life. In this way, you will keep yourselves safe in God’s love. -Jude 1:20-21- Some of us treat our faith like a fragile egg. But faith isn’t fragile. Faith is given to us to use, to stretch, to flex, and to develop. And the more we use our faith, the more faith we will have. On the other hand, if we neglect our faith, it will atrophy. In other words, use it or lose it. Faith is like a muscle. The more we use it, the stronger it becomes. The Bible says this about faith: “But you, dear friends, must build each other up in your most holy faith, pray in the power of the Holy Spirit, and await the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ, who will bring you eternal life” (Jude 1:20-21) Notice the emphasis is on faith doing things. Faith is praying, faith is staying, and faith is keeping. Faith is active. God has given us this faith to use, but we don’t use it. Our faith is all show and no go. World changers have an active, not a passive, faith.
You know, you might just like the stuff you drink or be a connoisseur. Nothing to do with alcoholism. Getting occasionally wasted on a party isn't alcoholism either. Trust me, I know. Tell me you know nothing about alcoholism without telling me you know nothing about alcoholism.
I feel like the type of guys who write “tasting notes” as they sip their extremely expensive single-malt whisky are probably a lot less likely to have a drinking problem than the guys drinking stuff like cheap vodka
People who drink Gas Station Coffee and starbucks: Normal People who spend thousands of dollars and hours for their coffee: Normal People who frown at the first sight of coffee creamers and paper cups: Pretentious
@@NN-sp9tu Dairy in general is nasty. We're the only beings to drink the milk of another being. Milk that's meant for infants of any being that produces it. Most humans still cannot process dairy or any animal milks beyond adolescence. It used to be all humans, it is for other beings.
@@NN-sp9tucus u only think of international delight and coffeemate creamer. Creamer can be literally just cream, maybe a bit of half and half, and a little vanilla extract.
@@durden91tyleryour not wrong but it doesn’t really have an effect on ur body if u only drink a cup a day Sugar can also be considered a drug because it improves ur mood and gives u a little sugar rush (drugs work different on everyone bc everyone’s body is different)
I collect "weird" brewers because not only are they functional, they look nice as well. Like the siphon brewers, line them up and add a back light and you have a shelf display that can give you coffee.
"Man I feel like some coffee right now" "Oh I got some" *pulls out a normal and convenient machine* *The absolute most disgusted and crinkled face in reaction* "that's not real coffee" Is probably why people have this thought.
This is exactly why they're pretentious. Coffee people don't just enjoy the process of making coffee, they look down on everyone who consumes coffee for the utility it provides. It doesn't help that it being so expensive breeds classist attitudes but that's just the piss cherry on the shit pie of how insufferable these people are. When I enjoy video games, I don't look down on people who read books or are still using their 3ds from 2015 because they fundamentally do not care about video games as much as I do, looking down on them for not caring about the process of something they don't care about the outcome of is like trying to dig a trench with a spoon. Coffee people don't just view it as a hobby, they view it as a superior way of consuming the product (similar to PC "master race" people who are equally if not more insufferable than coffee people)
@@HavingCrumpets not at all? I have only seen people make fun of pretentious book readers (aka people who claim to be smarter and more intellectually developed and constantly brag about how many books they read while not actually knowing jackshit about anything) and I have not seen anyone make fun of someone for playing on an outdated device?? that is kind of a weird thing to do
@@VazikliDuokodajust because those are the few instances you’ve seen doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. That’s literally the line, “it doesn’t happen to me, so it’s not true.”
I think you’re missing the forest for the trees. Your personal enjoyment of coffee will never cause someone to call you pretentious. It’s when people in the coffee community belittle the way other people make coffee that turns them off. I’ve literally seen people in the community go “Oh why would you ever use Starbucks coffee beans” or “Oh that machine is a piece of trash” or any number of other ways they’ve made people who aren’t in the hobby or are just getting started feel small. The response to anyone telling you about their setup should be “Oh cool, you should definitely try X, Y or Z though if you get the chance”, not “OMG why do you even bother”
it's fine to tell people that their choices are entry-level or D-grade honestly. if people are comfortable with convenience that's okay but there's always room for improving your game and learning more about the process than "buy k-cup, insert into plastic machine, drink"
@@skritzo so this right here is exactly the take people find condescending. Convenience is not “D grade”, and calling someone’s choice out like that is only ever going to push them away from the hobby. Because that’s all good coffee is - it’s not going to functionally improve your life, it’s just a nice-to-have
@@ItsIntelligentDesign none of your hobbies functionally improve your life, ffs. but as long as you're actively participating in things you find enjoyable and not "faking it till you make it," you should want to hear how you can improve your craft. it saves time at the very least. convenience isn't automatically D grade, you're lumping my two sentences together. but it can be, and I know many people who only drink coffee for the bare minimum purpose of waking up, and some of them are total know-it-alls about coffee while barely engaging with it. they swear by their D-grade methods, and are hostile to any type of pro-tips on how to improve. that's the real condescension: pretending to know what you're talking about and not being open to correction
@@skritzoGeorge "oh your wife bought you (insert model) espresso machine. Man honestly I'm not a fan of that machine if she asked I would have given her tips on a better machine. " Well George that's all we could afford this year my mother has cancer and we had to help with payment. Point of this statement is to highlight that someone may have sentimental value or may not have the money for expensive equipment. It is a exaggeration but the point is still the same. To shame someone based on them enjoying their hobbies with the means they have is goofy especially because that maybe all they can or do have. I'm not saying you're doing this but if you disagree then you ARE doing something at least similar.
Enjoying these kinds of things can be categorized as pretentious by other people, even if you never do anything pretentious. This is the internet, people will hate you for breathing too loud.
Audiophile stuff is mad I once found some audiophile cables (big aux connector on both sides) and only a few years later did i find out that they were pure gold inside.... ~120 grams of pure gold
@@freesoftwareextremist8119 i got them for $5 out of a cable box at a goodwill, right next to the amp and headphones they belonged to (which was $50 total) I doubt the cable itself actually does anything but with this find, i went from a razer gaming headset to a $12k electroststic setup and boy was there a difference there.
The pretentiousness stereotype comes not from the things you mentioned but from them reacting negatively to people liking their coffee some other way, or not caring about their coffees quality as much.
honestly, most people who’re genuinely interested in coffee making will be so happy to tell you all about it with 0 judgement of how you enjoy it yourself. take james hoffman for an example. theres unkind and pretentious ppl everywhere, but it doesn’t mean it’s everyone or even most.
What you refer to as "some people liking their coffee in a different way" it usually is people actively attacking and making fun of coffee enthusiasts because it's 'unnecessary' and they can make 'better' coffee more easily. Just like vegans, I've must have encountered like 2 vegans both on and offline that were obnoxious about it, but I've seen thousands of people complaing about vegans like crazy.
@@mikewin7056 No, but spending in excess of 4k dollars on coffee equipment then filming yourself using it and posting it for millions to see is very pretentious 🤷🏾♂️ It's like saying "look at me paupers... my equipment is better than yours".
Everything you say in this video is incredibly true, except taking pride in/enjoying your work/hobby is very different from being pretentious. This is a great explanation for why they’re detail-oriented and precise, but doesn’t even touch on why so many are so pretentious
For me the whole making coffee is an experience on itself, the smell you get from getting some real nice beans, grinding them yourself, then the smell from brewing it and then finally, you savor it. It’s a sensorial journey
@@knockoffninjamanager at my second job unironically said that She couldn't actually lift her mug enough to tip it so she just sipped on it until it was halfwat empty
This is very true. But ill be honest high quality coffee does taste perfect black. I also love high quality cold brew. (I also drink high sugar supermarket coffee i like every type of coffee 😂)
When you say you are a tea person, you mean as in "i buy good quality tea that i brew properly for a better experience" or as in "i follow the 27 steps of the ancient tea ritual of the Tsu dynasty court"?
It becomes pretentious when a person starts trying to describe their particular preferences and methods as "better" and they thumb their nose at anything they see as "lesser". The unfortunate fact is there's a rather high concentration of these people in the "coffee enthusiast" circles.
i mean, his coffee is better. Like a Baker bread is better than a normal person bread, i don't get why do you feel so attacked by someone doing something better than most people. Not that you are wrong for doing it wrong, you are doing it fine, but if someone has a hobby and he know more about a topic than most people, obviously he's gonna make that thing he's good at better
@matteoinvernazzi4331 it's this exact mindset that people are talking about "not that you are wrong for doing it wrong" he's not doing it wrong, he's doing it the way that works for him, which is not doing 20 or more steps for his coffee. It's not about making "better coffee" it's about how coffee snobs act like they are better than you as a person just because of the way they make their coffee.
@@frog1405 i'm probably telling you something you already know, but you are aware that people like what you are describing don't exist in the real world right? Like how many people do you think are out there saying that they are better than someone else because they make a better coffee? Also why are you bringing this point if this is not what we were talking about? obv you are not doing your coffe wrong, 99,9999% of people do the coffee the same way, but at the same time if he spends more time into making a perfect coffee and see it as a passion it will taste better. That's the only point of the video, and i don't even understand how can some people take this as some sort of personal attack like "do you think you are better than me just because you do your coffee better?"
i had somone cuss me out because i asked if they liked their coffee with sugar creamer or both. their answer was some rant about the delicate process of making "real" coffee and not some "mcdonalds clone garbage"
They're the kinda person that will come to your house and shit talk the coffee you made, explaining in detail why they could do it better Then get confused when they're not invited again
What makes people pretentious is saying "you're drinking it wrong". You add some sugar to your cup and someone is **bound** to come up with that. Don't be that person. Be inviting. Share your passion.
True but that does not mean you should group all of them together. Just because some in a community are annoying and pretensious doesn't mean the entire community is
Sugar is disgusting in coffee though. The only coffee I drink is from my keurig and from restaurants, so it's not like I'm drinking fancy coffee anyways. Sugar is just bad in coffee
@@lukasg4807To you and to me. Taste is subjectice, just because we don't like sugar in coffee it doesn't automatically make sugar a bad thing to add to coffee in general.
@@diego032912Exactly, like I find adding sugar to plain coffee is just horrid but some people do it. Personally I think you need at least some milk to bridge that gap. Minimum ratio of 1/3 milk to 2/3 coffee add sugar to taste. If someone does it another way that's their way. It's not wrong. Unless their burning their coffee. Then it's a suggestion not a rant to them.
“Hey bro can I get a coffee?”
“Yea sure gimme a minute.”
*Starts doing fucking alchemy*
"Yeah sure, let me squeeze you in on the 14th. I can spare 3hrs then."
😂😂😂
💀
Straight up starts cooking meth
@@ronaid-with-an-ieven better
Coffee makers vs car guys vs tactical guys fighting over who can spend the most money on their hobby:
I differentiate between EDC guy and full-on Tactical guy, and yeah... Tactical guy is an intolerable tool (and worried/scared)
Guitarists:
Cyclists, RC car racers, PC gamers... every hobby is expensive.
Can’t forget Warhammer
@@hgr.7857sounds like you're a tactical guy and just separating a niche as copium. Ngl lol
The pretentious aspect comes from those who thinks that the 27 steps is the only way to enjoy coffee and that you do not deserve to claim that you love coffee otherwise.
Edit: And even if you do 27 steps, it might not be THEIR 27 steps so you're doing it wrong still.
exactly!
The thing is, if you go to any coffee related community and act pretentious about how one coffee is better than another, you will get immediately flooded with dislikes and people telling you that people can enjoy things however they like. I think pretending that these communities are super pretentious is stupid and only comes from seeing people with expensive complex machines and techniques and ASSUMING that they think they are better for making coffee that way.
How many people have you seen actually act like this? Is this a serious problem in the coffee community, or did you just read a couple annoying comments that got downvoted or ratioed?
These types of people give the community a bad name and it’s quite annoying. Whatever method you like wether it be that high end specialty coffee in Colombia with the 39 steps puck prep, or if it be an instant coffee with milk and sugar, the important part is that you enjoy yourself.
You see those actors in every community, from art to e-sports. Elitism isn't limited to coffee.
Finding the perfect coffee can be a journey, and you might never find it.
There's a story about Tom Petty (yes the musician) going in to a diner, and he ordered a coffee. once he started drinking it, he realized that it's the best coffee that he's ever had. He HAD to know how they made it.
So he politely asked if he could go back in the kitchen and see exactly how they made it. They showed him an old commercial stainless steel Bunn coffee machine from the 1960's. They showed him that they used a precise amount of coffee and water for each pot. What was the coffee they used? It was none other than just plain ole Maxwell House, in the blue can.
Petty immediately got on to ebay and ordered multiple of this exact coffee machine model, Maxwell house and the exact measuring spoons they used.
That was HIS perfect coffee. If you find YOUR perfect coffee, that's all that matters, and it might be more simple than you think.
It's true. Some of us have sensitive taste buds and not just any coffee will suffice. It's why I'm not just drinking coffee like water, I actually need to taste and enjoy what I make.
That`s some story !
Ive had perfect coffee once. They discontinued it right after i bought my first pack.
@@roboticrebel4092 What shitty luck!
"Jessie. we have to make coffee, Jessie"
Waltuh. Put your siphon away, Waltuh. I'm not brewing coffee with you right now.
I'm still waiting for friends like this... I would Stay over during the Week and Go Home on the Weekend... Maybe..
94.9% Pure Coffee. 🗿
I was looking for this comment 😂
That was a plot at one point bahahahaha
“Ahhh time for my morning coffee”
*whips out a whole meth lab*
Facts
breaking bad reference?
@@JaylolTVnah, that ain't breaking bad, that's fixing good 💀
Waltuh get me some coffee waltuh
@@tiffanychou6869 ...
A friend of mine (F) shared a story with me of one of their coffee enthusiast colleagues (M) visiting their home. When she offered him some coffee, he politely declined, saying "he came prepared" and proceeded to whip out his tools from a hand bag he was carrying with him.
My friend wasn't really offended, but it is really off-putting to see someone decline coffee just because "they prefer the stuff they make". It's not so much being pretentious than it is "reading the room" and knowing when certain behaviors or comments are appropriate. And that goes for anyone who's very passionate about their hobbies.
it's funny, because I fully believe there's a much better way for him to have played that exact same situation. To say "oh actually, will you let me show you this way? It's really cool and I'm excited to share it"
@@Romanticoutlawyeah i agree. he couldve also said, "hey would it be alright if got you on that next coffee cup? id really appreciate if you let me share my passion with ya."
@@mikasasukasa4479 that last sentence is way too smooth and romantic lmao
Definitely agree! Personally I think the only time when niceties would need to be put aside is if it's less out of pretensiousness and more out of someone's personal health reasons (like if someone turned down regular glutenous bread because they have Celiac disease or they're gluten-sensitive, or they bring fancy fake coffee/mushroom coffee because their anxiety/heart rate would go through the roof). I'm not saying people haven't used their personal health issues to flex pretentiousness (or some sort of moral superiority), but things get complicated once personal health reasons come into play.
@@timecode37"id really appreciate if you let me share my passion with ya." *leans in for a kiss*
I just crocheted a blanket. It took forever, I spent well over $100 on materials, and it's not perfect. But it was fun (and a little frustrating) to make. It wasn't just about the blanket, a lot of the joy comes from the actual crocheting.
This is the most pretentious possible defense to being called pretentious.
Couldn’t agree more
Right. Even trying to point to video games. We all know there are normal gamers and then there are pretentious gamers. You can do a hobby without making it pretentious.
@@Faint366 Which is his point. How can you call this pretentious and completely miss the point. He enjoys doing it this way. As long as he's not judging you and your coffee then it's not pretentious.
@@kingcam0775 I’m explaining why people are calling coffee snobs pretentious. It’s not just because they spend money on themselves, it’s because they go out and tell everyone else “you’re doing it wrong” for wanting normal coffee. Can you fucking read?
@@kingcam0775that isnt his point. Hes saying that people that are calling it pretentious are missing the point, when in reality, people shaming others due to "inadequate" brewing styles is as pretentious as it gets, and that happens all the time. This guy might have a hobby, but that doesnt mean that so many others only see it as a way to brag about their wealth and flaunt their fanciness
Boss: "why were you late?"
Him: " *the particle accelerator was off by 0.2 degrees* "
Lmao
"And?" I" had to turn on my pocket blackhole and Dyson sphere, so I could run all of my machines (30 hours of naming machines) and my machine that atomizes the coffee and shoots it at just the right angle to make the coffee taste like the most perfect thing ever." "I just want to go home, you're fine, I won't put this on you record *weak crying*"
Him: Why are you always on time?
Boss: Because had tea instead.🫖
Stop sniffing your own farts. It's just coffee.
Drugs, caffeine is a drug
that lil Bunsen burner for the coffee pot is just the cutest thang
Yeah, it is. Almost makes you forget about the coffee. ☕️
"Yo wanna cup"
"Sure dude"
"Aight lemme get my lightning rod"
that one sucked, rethink that one. lightning rod makes no sense in this. not to mention that you messed up the first line, needs comma and theres no explanation of “cup.” cup of coffee is better, not just “cup.”
@@Peanutsgrowintheground please remove yourself from the gene pool.
We place the lightning rod below an unrosted cup of bean. We then open the operator hand book and cast “lightning bolt”. Now that the beans are roasted we can now begin grounding them
@@Peanutsgrowinthegroundstop thinking
@@tripl9 yesss because a joke that doesn’t make sense, not even in a satirical sense is obviously a good one
"yo you got coffee"
"damn bro I'm sorry the particle accelerators broken"
😂😂😂😂😂
Nah this was funny 😂😂😂
Well, just use your flux capacitor back there
😂
I will give you money when you fix this damn coffee machine broken at 99%
your arguments are totally understandable, I'm just against the enthusiasts that try to justify the hassle by making themselves believe the result is proportionally superior as the fancy effort they put.
If your house gets raided with these machines, you're going to have to explain how you're not running a drug lab lol
"man i want some coffee"
*takes out various scientific equipments to make the cure for cancer💀
We already have that, take Australian Sandalwood essential oil 5 drops 3 times a day along with Dragons Blood 30 drops 3 times a day. Results in 1 month or less.
If on Chemo, instead take Cinnamomum Zeylanicum bark essential oil diluted 1:4 with extra virgin olive oil 3 times a day. Take 30 drops as a dose of that blend or 6 drops of cinnamon bark oil on a teaspoon with olive oil. Cinnamon bark oil inhibits angiogenesis and metastasis and induces apoptosis to thanks to (E)-cinnamaldehyde. Similar can be achieved with oregano oil thanks to its phenol called carvacrol. You should find cinnammon bark oil with 70% of (E)-cinnamaldehyde at least.
@@BurntFossilyou serious?
@@gigachad5426 now it is on us to spread the word I guess.
Gay
@@BurntFossil i pray that you don't get hunted by the government for this valuable information
"I swear this is just my coffee setup, mr officer!"
😂😂😂
😂
Well, I once did had a search party over because of some other dude with the exact same name as me. Yup - the siphon was on the counter, next to various grinders and implements... fun times
"NIBBAH thats a fugin buttplug!" 👮♂️
Me as the police officer: _Sure. Whatever you said. Mr. White._
"coffee is just a comodity" you proved them right
« Coffee is a hobby just like golf is »
Sir, you’re aggravating your case here
“Oh look, I’m finally done making the coffee!”
*It’s 5 PM*
Filipinos: "Seems normal for me."
@@UndisclosedAccfilipinos suck fr fr
@@UndisclosedAccwhen tf did we start making coffee at 5 pm
@@HaventSleptIn30Yearsits normal to me atleast on school days bcs i need to wake up at 5:00AM
@@HaventSleptIn30Yearsever since college
It's not pretentious if you are honest that you do it for the fun of it. It's pretentious when others claim doing the 20 steps makes it somehow superior.
I mean, it's gonna taste better, usually. Same as homemade ramen is gonna taste better than Cup o Noodle. It wouldn't be a hobby if there wasn't a difference. Just don't judge people who aren't into coffee for drinking generic brand bulk coffee
@@cryterion7770 and I said in the very first sentence of my comment that it'll Usually taste better. Usually is not always. Sometimes home cooking tastes bad, sometimes home brewing tastes bad too. But usually it tastes good
@@cryterion7770 okay, and I say it makes a difference. Obviously, the machines would not exist if there was not a difference. I don't go out and buy a 400 dollar airbrush just because I want to spend money, I do it because it makes my painting easier and better looking. He buys an aeropress to make the coffee taste different. And sometimes it doesn't go well. Sometimes you pick the wrong coffee and it tastes worse or the same. A hobby is all about experimentation and honing your craft. He says as much when he points out that it feels like a science experiment. Experiments have results, some good, some bad, some neutral.
@@cryterion7770 but part of the fun IS enjoying the taste. A bit like baking a nice cake, the fun part is eating it… Doesn’t always go 100% right, but when it does, damn. 😅
Nobody does that 😂
I had read some the comments in the thread, and I have to say this. Majority of these comments are quick to get aggressive, whether pro-coffee or the contrarian.
As someone who have never really care about coffee, I just find these kinds of videos are cool. Like those bartender gimmicks and PC building videos.
For some comments from pro-coffee, some are giving (imo) quite a solid advice, but gets a little aggressive when other gets dismissive or confrontational.
As for some that "oooo, coffee maker are so condescending, ooo" I get it, and I can see them even in this comment section. But imo it's just unfortunately that you are probably interacting with people that rub the wrong way against you. It's not just coffee enthusiasts, PC enthusiasts, game enthusiasts, car collectors, hell even some stamp collecters (personal experience).
Personally, it's not the group's fault, just some individuals with too little tack in sharing their hobbies (giving benefits of doubt)
Personally I usually see more comments making fun of people for having the hobby and feeling superior for using instant or drop coffee over espresso
Finally a rational thinker
“We investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing”
"You need a hobby like mine, Bubs"
"Hobby? What's your hobby, Ray?"
"Drinkin"
Makes me think of someone who's got a bathtub still hidden out back
Way of the road boys
That's the way she goes.
I wish I could get a taste of his coffee, that looks amazing. The smoothness of the coffee as it’s poured into the mug/cup. The glint of light and clearness almost the color of brown sea glass.
You did not defend your case💀
I think the main problem that people have is that so many people nowadays who do this type of stuff treat others as less than because they don't spend thousands of dollars on their means of making coffee. Same goes for other hobbies too. As long as you're not being a snob about it, I see no problem with it
Meh
Well i think the issue is justifying an expensive hobby. Some hobbies are just fun in of itself but brewing coffee with 40 extra steps and lying to yourself that it somehow tastes better seems disingenuous and thats where the pretentious accussations come in. Spending extra time and money for a worse cup of coffee? Thats the height or luxury and waste.
@@rw5622This reeks of insecurity. What use do your hobbies have? How would you know if this coffee is better or worse than anything you have had? It's rather embarrassing to be so close minded.
@@Croptopkinrealistically there's only so much you can do to alter the flavour of a bean beyond doing things directly to it.
This video for example it probably doesn't taste different to just using a proper filter or a good cafetiere since at the end of the day the process you're using is boiling.
The thing in this video is just using something akin to reflux to make the process look impressive, but the process is exactly the same of boiling water
Same can be the same regardless of hobby. “Oh you play console? Well you should play PC!”
“Oh you like movies? Well you should read books!” “Oh you like this? Well you ahould this that”
Regardless of what it is people will always bitch
Blud is literally describing 10 year old Sephora kids’ skincare routine.
If you've never tried roasting your own arabica beans, it is well worth the process and getting to know how it effects the flavor. It's a little time-consuming for most folks, but I say give it a go when you have the spare time at least once. There's a special kind of charm and personal touch to it.
"-Jesse, we need to cook"
"-What? Fukin' coffee?"
"-You're goddamn right."
omg 💀
"Where's all the grounded coffee beans!"- "I brewed them for ted!"
"I like to have my coffee at 6 AM"
*proceeds to set alarm to 3:45 AM*
I think doing this stuff would be fun, but my morning coffee would definitely be from the everyday instant coffee machine. I would get some crazy shit like this out if I knew it was a slow and boring day
I try get up at 4:30 and out of my house by 5:00 when I have the morning shift at work. I don't really like instant coffee but I don't have time for anything else. Sometimes I literally have 5 min cause I am not great at getting up early enough and I barely have time to make myself instant coffee. I love good coffee but I don't have time for anything else and I need coffee to function in the morning
As someone who usually only drinks instant coffee your comment made me literally lol 🤣
😂
😂😂😂😂
"Coffee people" 💀💀💀
"we aren't pretentious, we're just annoying"
People don’t accuse coffee enthusiasts about being pretentious because they enjoy making it, it’s because 99% they are insufferable about their tastes and look down on others for drinking affordable coffee.
"instant coffee? OHH MY GAWD I COULD NEVER DRINK THAT!"
Cool try this battery acid and give me your thought
Isn't there like a type of coffee where making (or buying) instant coffee is literally part of the process? I'm pretty sure I something about that.
I love coffee but also don't care what coffee other people drink. It's something I love and that doesn't have to be the same for everyone. If it tastes good to you and you like it, that's all that matters. All the baristas I've met have been the most down to earth kind people.
@@unsolicitedditkapics9722your just as annoying as all the others
@@unsolicitedditkapics9722 i hope your parentless and is destined to be a orphan
This guy really said "Real coffee is the memories we made along the way"
😂😂😂
Top comment!
Juan Pis
I don't want to ruin the 666 likes
Friendship ended with coffeemaker.
Now coffee particle accelerator is my best friend.
No, it is pretentiousness. In fact, it's super-pretentious to even begin to think that it's NOT pretentious, at this point. LOL
The Walter White of coffee
I stopped making fun of other peoples hobbies when i realized how much ive spent on board games
I have never had a board game give me the shits so...
I dont wanna know what i spent on bjj and muay thai gear.
I'm a chef so my hobby is kitchen things. I'm pretty sure my knives alone are about 30k. That was the point I realized that I have no room to talk, lol.
Board games are a better than this coffee nonsense.
@@daveyjones8969 mimimi
Pretentiousness isn’t about being nerdy or geeky about a subject, it’s about imposing and judging your idea of the “right way to do something” onto others. The reason many feel that coffee nerds are pretentious is because they have been judged by them. If there isn’t any judgement I think people wouldn’t really care.
You’re 100% on the money. It’s ok to be nerdy/geeky about coffee. But when it has to be this way or you think less of someone then it’s a problem.
I don’t care much about coffee but I know there’s different roasts and how they affect caffeine levels (light are more caffeinated and dark cook more out). Also the coffee beans have different profiles and all that.
There’s some people who like it distinctly black but also want their beans a certain way. And that’s fine but at the same time if that person is going to judge me because I add milk and sugar then they’re pretentious.
As (once) an alcoholic, I feel like coffee experimenting and brewing as a hobby is just the same as alcoholic mixology but safer. At least it’s not much detrimental to the health compared (stunned height and anxiety vs… everything your brain and muscles do but kinda poisoned)
But at the same time, fuck off… “yOuR iRiSh cOfFeE iS oNlY tHreE iNgRedIeNts?”
Me, using red wine sometimes in my coffee, the most wrong alcohol for it and might as well be called French coffee: “Yes.”
Pretentious has more meaning than that
People who go coachella fall under the pretentious spectrum too
it’s just a different way or saying you’re addicted to something. i could say the same about some who likes to smoke crack
That ain’t even a high school chemistry lab, that’s a PHD
starts pouring it all into a gigantic cup
"Jesse, we need to brew, Jesse" - Heisenbrew
99.1% Pure espresso
JESSER
"See in my opinion, it's all about the Quinic acid level. You want just the north 4800 milligrams per liter... but if you over-boil to get there, you'll leach their tannins.
Bitterness, yuck.
So pull a mild vacuum... That way, I can keep the temperature no higher than 92°C and... Judge for yourself."
-Gale Boetticher
@@cronialpalerwhy are we making meth?
@@cronialpaler Breaking Bad if Walter didn't have Gale killed.
Coffee enthusiast: *is accused of being pretentious*
Coffee enthusiast: *responds by being pretentious*
How? Pretentiousness is thinking you're superior to others in the way you do something compared to how other people do it.
@@jimit.4220 congratulations you have identified what homeboy did in the video
@@jb76489 how did he do that exactly? Because I don't see it. He's not saying he's superior in any way, he's just saying he's a geek about the stuff.
If he didn't mention the thing about being pretentious. This would come out as someone who loves brewing coffee and not overly defensive.
@@jb76489ok, now quote the part where he insisted that he was superior to others
I think it’s cool to be a bit nerdy/overly into the detail and craftsmanship of certain things. Like how some guys like watches or train sets, and other things along that same line. I got my first cheap watch and had to fix something on it recently, and taking time to make the adjustments while trying to be careful as possible was rather fun. Even though I wouldn’t consider myself a watch snob at all, I instantly understood after that hour of working, and had that feeling of “Oh, this is why people love this.” Same thing like how people are really into wine, hand crafted figurines/vases, bonsai trees, or even super specific things like carved wooden spoons. I think the people that scoff at such hobbies just want everything done quick, which is understandable on a tight schedule. However, it’s nice to slow down sometimes.
“yo how do I make good coffee”
“gotchu bro so first you’re gonna want to split an atom”
Bro makes his coffee in a gravity bong 💀
Bro that's what I thought it was lmaoo
😂😂
You know someone is a literal child when they start off their sentence with a “bro” and ended it with an emoji, since you kid still lack the basic vocabulary knowledge to construct a basic sentence. It used to be in a dialogue format back then, now you kids have evolved to communicate through memes.
@@SordidusFellatioBro 💀
@@SordidusFellatio🤓🤓🤓🤓
"officer i swear to god im not making cocaine"
"That's caffeine right there sir"
Meth😂
lol
Police I swear to god
Bro really compared playing video games to drinking coffee 💀
When he said video games it was very general, I think he meant high end PC gamers.
Some PC gamers basically buy all the highest ends for every part of their builds. Like, the expensive watercooling, highest end graphic card, and rgb lights everywhere. The cost can rack up a lot like, like $ 3000-$5000 upwards. Plus pre ordering many AAA, AA games which cost a lot as well. Upgrading to the newest components every few years are also expensive. All that for the highest graphics and frame rates possible.
In that sense, no much different that this guy being a high end coffee enthusiast no? In terms of their spending.
@@oliviasengkey7703No. Video games are an entertainment product, coffee is your 5 minute morning routine. The regular dude on the street can easily see why people spend top dollar for their favorite games, movies, or any other product designed to entertain you. Having coffee as a hobby when all it does is create something that the average person would find little to no difference compared to instant coffee is not a worthwhile hobby.
@@castlewhite1577 In the end, it's a hobby, no? Whether you think it's worthwhile, or not, it's not up to us, it's for the people who are in the hobby. Many regular people don't spend top dollar for entertainment, and balked at people who do. In the end, the reason don't matter to people who are not in the hobby and don't understand the purpose. Many hobby in the end cost a lot, if you want to dive deep enough. Are they worthwhile? Who knows. Comparing it objectively won't be reasonable in the first place, because in the end, it's subjective. What's worthwhile to you, won't be for others and vice versa. People often forget that.
Bro got that Walter White coffe set up
It's not about the coffee, it's about me roleplaying a mad alchemist making a super-soldier potion.
My thoughts exactly. This isn't coffee anymore, you're brewing a full on potion. You better have an incantation ready for when it starts bubbling.
Use It or Lose It
But you, dear friends, must build each other up in your most holy faith, pray in the power of the Holy Spirit, and await the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ, who will bring you eternal life. In this way, you will keep yourselves safe in God’s love.
-Jude 1:20-21-
Some of us treat our faith like a fragile egg. But faith isn’t fragile. Faith is given to us to use, to stretch, to flex, and to develop. And the more we use our faith, the more faith we will have.
On the other hand, if we neglect our faith, it will atrophy. In other words, use it or lose it. Faith is like a muscle. The more we use it, the stronger it becomes.
The Bible says this about faith: “But you, dear friends, must build each other up in your most holy faith, pray in the power of the Holy Spirit, and await the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ, who will bring you eternal life”
(Jude 1:20-21)
Notice the emphasis is on faith doing things. Faith is praying, faith is staying, and faith is keeping. Faith is active.
God has given us this faith to use, but we don’t use it. Our faith is all show and no go.
World changers have an active, not a passive, faith.
If your mugs dont have transmutation circles for coffee then dont @ me
Pretentious is when you own cool things and use them, got it 🤦🏿♂️
I'd like to think that people who mixes different types of herbal tea have the same feeling as well.
I'm not an alcoholic. I simply view alcoholic beverages as a hobby rather than a commodity like most people.
It's all about the experience.
Have you ever heard of expensive cocktail bars...?
@@gandoff7840 I love getting shit faced
You know, you might just like the stuff you drink or be a connoisseur. Nothing to do with alcoholism. Getting occasionally wasted on a party isn't alcoholism either. Trust me, I know. Tell me you know nothing about alcoholism without telling me you know nothing about alcoholism.
I feel like the type of guys who write “tasting notes” as they sip their extremely expensive single-malt whisky are probably a lot less likely to have a drinking problem than the guys drinking stuff like cheap vodka
"Walter, we need to cook legal narcotics."
Bro pulled out his alchemy set
there was an entire breaking bad subplot about a dude this pretentious about his coffee and it ended with him fucking dying
LMFAO
LMFAO
That was funny enough to make me genuinely laugh but the more I look at that comment the more upsetting it gets
Good.
Nah Gale was less upfront and pretentious he was clearly speaking from s place of excitement from the awe of meeting a superior scientist.
People who drink Gas Station Coffee and starbucks: Normal
People who spend thousands of dollars and hours for their coffee: Normal
People who frown at the first sight of coffee creamers and paper cups: Pretentious
Nahh creamer is nasty
@@NN-sp9tuagree 😂
@@NN-sp9tu Dairy in general is nasty. We're the only beings to drink the milk of another being. Milk that's meant for infants of any being that produces it. Most humans still cannot process dairy or any animal milks beyond adolescence. It used to be all humans, it is for other beings.
@@NN-sp9tucus u only think of international delight and coffeemate creamer. Creamer can be literally just cream, maybe a bit of half and half, and a little vanilla extract.
@@kittiekillah
True
bro brought out the coffee bong
“Drinking the coffee is the cherry on top” as the moon rises high and the wolf pack howls across the foggy lake
“Yo bro can I get some coffee?”
“Sure, give me a sec”
*Becomes Walter White*
Gales coffee machine
My thoughts exactly XD
Coffee enthusiast aren't pretentious; Coffee machine enthusiasts are
Thisss! Moka pot, k-cups, espresso machine, pour over, pot, I don’t care. As long as YOU love your coffee that’s all that matters! :D
its a drug. theyre just doing drugs lol
@@durden91tyleryour not wrong but it doesn’t really have an effect on ur body if u only drink a cup a day
Sugar can also be considered a drug because it improves ur mood and gives u a little sugar rush (drugs work different on everyone bc everyone’s body is different)
@@durden91tyleroh my god caffeine is a drug! 😮 No wonder it's so scary. Has such a negative impact on society smh
@@kwoni3337a lot of illegal drugs dont have a negative impact on society apart from crime rates, so thats a poor attempt at sarcasm!
I collect "weird" brewers because not only are they functional, they look nice as well. Like the siphon brewers, line them up and add a back light and you have a shelf display that can give you coffee.
"yeah ill take breakfast tea"
-the customer in the coffee shop
"Man I feel like some coffee right now"
"Oh I got some" *pulls out a normal and convenient machine*
*The absolute most disgusted and crinkled face in reaction* "that's not real coffee"
Is probably why people have this thought.
This is exactly why they're pretentious. Coffee people don't just enjoy the process of making coffee, they look down on everyone who consumes coffee for the utility it provides. It doesn't help that it being so expensive breeds classist attitudes but that's just the piss cherry on the shit pie of how insufferable these people are.
When I enjoy video games, I don't look down on people who read books or are still using their 3ds from 2015 because they fundamentally do not care about video games as much as I do, looking down on them for not caring about the process of something they don't care about the outcome of is like trying to dig a trench with a spoon.
Coffee people don't just view it as a hobby, they view it as a superior way of consuming the product (similar to PC "master race" people who are equally if not more insufferable than coffee people)
I agree those kinda people are pretentious af
A lot of people do look down on people for reading books though, as well as people still using 3DS.
"it's different because I don't" right here..
@@HavingCrumpets not at all? I have only seen people make fun of pretentious book readers (aka people who claim to be smarter and more intellectually developed and constantly brag about how many books they read while not actually knowing jackshit about anything) and I have not seen anyone make fun of someone for playing on an outdated device?? that is kind of a weird thing to do
@@VazikliDuokodajust because those are the few instances you’ve seen doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. That’s literally the line, “it doesn’t happen to me, so it’s not true.”
He literally just said “yeah we are”💀
you definitely need to pick up a hobby
😂
@@NotHeromario Not caffeine alchemy...
Not literaly, but basicaly yeah.
Bro he literally said that he does not give a fuck and just want to enjoy his time making coffee in different ways.
Bro just created the philosophers stone from coffee
This is the same as a subway working making a sandwich art and it’s not just food he’s making but memories along the way
I think you’re missing the forest for the trees. Your personal enjoyment of coffee will never cause someone to call you pretentious. It’s when people in the coffee community belittle the way other people make coffee that turns them off.
I’ve literally seen people in the community go “Oh why would you ever use Starbucks coffee beans” or “Oh that machine is a piece of trash” or any number of other ways they’ve made people who aren’t in the hobby or are just getting started feel small. The response to anyone telling you about their setup should be “Oh cool, you should definitely try X, Y or Z though if you get the chance”, not “OMG why do you even bother”
it's fine to tell people that their choices are entry-level or D-grade honestly. if people are comfortable with convenience that's okay but there's always room for improving your game and learning more about the process than "buy k-cup, insert into plastic machine, drink"
@@skritzo so this right here is exactly the take people find condescending. Convenience is not “D grade”, and calling someone’s choice out like that is only ever going to push them away from the hobby. Because that’s all good coffee is - it’s not going to functionally improve your life, it’s just a nice-to-have
@@ItsIntelligentDesign none of your hobbies functionally improve your life, ffs. but as long as you're actively participating in things you find enjoyable and not "faking it till you make it," you should want to hear how you can improve your craft. it saves time at the very least. convenience isn't automatically D grade, you're lumping my two sentences together. but it can be, and I know many people who only drink coffee for the bare minimum purpose of waking up, and some of them are total know-it-alls about coffee while barely engaging with it. they swear by their D-grade methods, and are hostile to any type of pro-tips on how to improve. that's the real condescension: pretending to know what you're talking about and not being open to correction
@@skritzoGeorge "oh your wife bought you (insert model) espresso machine. Man honestly I'm not a fan of that machine if she asked I would have given her tips on a better machine. "
Well George that's all we could afford this year my mother has cancer and we had to help with payment.
Point of this statement is to highlight that someone may have sentimental value or may not have the money for expensive equipment. It is a exaggeration but the point is still the same. To shame someone based on them enjoying their hobbies with the means they have is goofy especially because that maybe all they can or do have. I'm not saying you're doing this but if you disagree then you ARE doing something at least similar.
Enjoying these kinds of things can be categorized as pretentious by other people, even if you never do anything pretentious. This is the internet, people will hate you for breathing too loud.
I bet these weren’t the comments he was expecting LMAO 😭
Honestly I bet they were exactly what he was expecting. He gets the same types of comments on pretty much every video.
Friend: Hey you got beer?
Me: walking out into the field to cut barley...
Bro really was about to use a seperatory funnel
Coffee people: "We're not pretentious"
Audiophiles: "First time?"
*laughs in MOONDROP Chu*
Audiophile stuff is mad
I once found some audiophile cables (big aux connector on both sides) and only a few years later did i find out that they were pure gold inside.... ~120 grams of pure gold
@@angrydragonslayer Yep! And it's also 100% useless.
@@freesoftwareextremist8119 i got them for $5 out of a cable box at a goodwill, right next to the amp and headphones they belonged to (which was $50 total)
I doubt the cable itself actually does anything but with this find, i went from a razer gaming headset to a $12k electroststic setup and boy was there a difference there.
You don't know true pretentiousness until you see 80% of audio newbies rejecting our one true overlord, KOSS
You want a coffee?
"Yeah"
-Gets water from fountain of youth
-gets coffee grounds from Peru
-Boils water using fire from Prometheus
*takes a sip*
Nice, as good as the gas station coffee
cool short story idea
Prometheus is a guy not a place
@@The_Sharktocrab Right, a God of Fire which was granted to humans. So, "using fire from Prometheus" is accurate.
@@RoseKindred so all fire is from prometheus
this gives me vibes of the "drinking water" subreddit
I dont even like coffee, but i keep watching videos of people pulling espresso shots just because it looks cool
As a man who's an alcohol enthusiast I get it.
Hard brewed Bathtub Moonshine
@@Countryoncrackyou have a bathtub?
Okay
Ignoring the whole fucking chemistry set you got there
That coffee at the end looks so fucking good
For me it looks kinda weak ngl
That's just objectively wrong
@@nescaumarqueti5793its filter coffee brother, thats the correct colour
It literally just looks like coffee💀
weak as fuck, here in brasil we call it chafe
Bro is the Walter white of coffee
bro got put on to the Gale Boetticher method💀💀💀
“Can I have some coffee”
“Sure”
“Pull out a centrifuge”
The pretentiousness stereotype comes not from the things you mentioned but from them reacting negatively to people liking their coffee some other way, or not caring about their coffees quality as much.
I don't think this guy is guilty of any of that. I think maybe he is addressing the wrong thing here.
honestly, most people who’re genuinely interested in coffee making will be so happy to tell you all about it with 0 judgement of how you enjoy it yourself. take james hoffman for an example. theres unkind and pretentious ppl everywhere, but it doesn’t mean it’s everyone or even most.
What you refer to as "some people liking their coffee in a different way" it usually is people actively attacking and making fun of coffee enthusiasts because it's 'unnecessary' and they can make 'better' coffee more easily. Just like vegans, I've must have encountered like 2 vegans both on and offline that were obnoxious about it, but I've seen thousands of people complaing about vegans like crazy.
Yeah anyone can be pretentious about their own hobbies
@@MiketheNerdRangerYup addressing the wrong things.
My top 5 hobbies as a guy who just turned 20… Coffee, whiskey, cigars, watches, and guitars. In no particular order
Making coffee is a hobby. Coffee is just a commodity
“I need 1 coffee, please”
“Lemme grab my Bunsen burner”
Refuses to accept the possibility of being pretentious as he loads coffee from a particle accelerator
LMFAO
Pretentious is when you buy nice things and use them, got it 🤦🏿♂️
"He's pretentious!"
Proceeds to get at him for doing things his way, and implying he should do things differently
@@mikewin7056 No, but spending in excess of 4k dollars on coffee equipment then filming yourself using it and posting it for millions to see is very pretentious 🤷🏾♂️
It's like saying "look at me paupers... my equipment is better than yours".
@@jghifiversveiws8729naw you’re insecure it’s not your money to be whining about.
Everything you say in this video is incredibly true, except taking pride in/enjoying your work/hobby is very different from being pretentious. This is a great explanation for why they’re detail-oriented and precise, but doesn’t even touch on why so many are so pretentious
For me the whole making coffee is an experience on itself, the smell you get from getting some real nice beans, grinding them yourself, then the smell from brewing it and then finally, you savor it. It’s a sensorial journey
wants coffee
accidentally creates philosophers's stone
Bros mug is legitimately just a bowl with a handle.
And I *need* it in my house
@@Inuxxus I respect that
@@knockoffninja imagine the intimidation factor of just casually pulling out a cup the size of your head
@@Inuxxus this reminds me of those "I've got back to just one cup of coffee a day mugs" if you know you know
@@knockoffninjamanager at my second job unironically said that
She couldn't actually lift her mug enough to tip it so she just sipped on it until it was halfwat empty
They went from "this gadget make the best coffee" to "me like shinny toys" 😁
"You love instant coffee? That's not a real coffee" - pretentious coffe enthusiastic
"wHy wOUld yOu ruIN sOmEThinG sO sPEcIaL bY aDDiNg SuGAr iN iT?!"
Adds non-dairy creamer out of spite
Honestly, if someone says this to me?
Im gonna use premade coffee mix just to spite them.
This is very true. But ill be honest high quality coffee does taste perfect black. I also love high quality cold brew. (I also drink high sugar supermarket coffee i like every type of coffee 😂)
@@x7themmonly if that black coffee is brewed espresso-style, otherwise it’s just dirty water.
@@adolfolerito6744 100% thats why ppl add sugar and milk to fix it 😆
Bro really said, it’s not “just” coffee
I mean that equipment does look like it can double as a meth lab
I can’t believe it’s not lab grade amphetamines. Tastes like the real thing!
“sure, i’ll make some coffee for you.”
*draws transfiguration circle*
ANYBODY WANT SOME COFFE, HEY BUDDY YOU WANT SOME CAWFE??!!!!!
Honestly as a tea person people who think that coffee people are pretentious then i KNOW they haven't met a tea person in their life yet
When you say you are a tea person, you mean as in "i buy good quality tea that i brew properly for a better experience" or as in "i follow the 27 steps of the ancient tea ritual of the Tsu dynasty court"?
@@giacomoromano8842that's me right there lol
@@giacomoromano8842 yes
Or witnessed a Japanese tea ceremony 😭
@@giacomoromano8842 Yes
It becomes pretentious when a person starts trying to describe their particular preferences and methods as "better" and they thumb their nose at anything they see as "lesser". The unfortunate fact is there's a rather high concentration of these people in the "coffee enthusiast" circles.
That still doesn't give you the right to be an asshole
its not pretentious if im right and your just always wrong. i bet u drink tea
i mean, his coffee is better. Like a Baker bread is better than a normal person bread, i don't get why do you feel so attacked by someone doing something better than most people. Not that you are wrong for doing it wrong, you are doing it fine, but if someone has a hobby and he know more about a topic than most people, obviously he's gonna make that thing he's good at better
@matteoinvernazzi4331 it's this exact mindset that people are talking about "not that you are wrong for doing it wrong" he's not doing it wrong, he's doing it the way that works for him, which is not doing 20 or more steps for his coffee. It's not about making "better coffee" it's about how coffee snobs act like they are better than you as a person just because of the way they make their coffee.
@@frog1405 i'm probably telling you something you already know, but you are aware that people like what you are describing don't exist in the real world right? Like how many people do you think are out there saying that they are better than someone else because they make a better coffee? Also why are you bringing this point if this is not what we were talking about? obv you are not doing your coffe wrong, 99,9999% of people do the coffee the same way, but at the same time if he spends more time into making a perfect coffee and see it as a passion it will taste better. That's the only point of the video, and i don't even understand how can some people take this as some sort of personal attack like "do you think you are better than me just because you do your coffee better?"
*Sees this fentanyl lab setup*
Me: “instant it is”
Damn that 30 minute dirty bean water be giving people pro barista feels
It's that you can't offer them a simple cup of coffee without that look of disgust.
Exaaacttlly or they grimace when you suggest to stop at a chain coffee shop
@@duckheadbob ya it becomes antisocial at a certain point, or self-aggrandizing for them either way it's 🤮
i had somone cuss me out because i asked if they liked their coffee with sugar creamer or both.
their answer was some rant about the delicate process of making "real" coffee and not some "mcdonalds clone garbage"
They're the kinda person that will come to your house and shit talk the coffee you made, explaining in detail why they could do it better
Then get confused when they're not invited again
@duckheadbob to be fair Starbucks and others like it are scams
What makes people pretentious is saying "you're drinking it wrong". You add some sugar to your cup and someone is **bound** to come up with that. Don't be that person. Be inviting. Share your passion.
True but that does not mean you should group all of them together.
Just because some in a community are annoying and pretensious doesn't mean the entire community is
Sugar is disgusting in coffee though. The only coffee I drink is from my keurig and from restaurants, so it's not like I'm drinking fancy coffee anyways. Sugar is just bad in coffee
@@lukasg4807To you and to me. Taste is subjectice, just because we don't like sugar in coffee it doesn't automatically make sugar a bad thing to add to coffee in general.
@@diego032912Exactly, like I find adding sugar to plain coffee is just horrid but some people do it. Personally I think you need at least some milk to bridge that gap. Minimum ratio of 1/3 milk to 2/3 coffee add sugar to taste. If someone does it another way that's their way. It's not wrong. Unless their burning their coffee. Then it's a suggestion not a rant to them.
I don't even add water to coffee. Just milk and sugar.
It's probably normal sized but to me the cup at the end looks gigantic
It’s like analogue photography, we enjoy the process, at the end of the day you have a generic photo like anyone else haha