Will Lionel Messi have a bigger impact than Pele on the United States? | ESPN FC Extra Time
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- Sebastian Salazar, Stewart Robson, Gab Marcotti and Don Hutchison answer your questions on ESPN FC Extra Time.
0:00 Reviewing the Stevie vs. Robbo boat race
3:00 % chance Hojland scores 10+ PFL goals at Man United?
5:06 Will Messi have a bigger impact than Pele in U.S.?
9:42 Which center back should Chelsea target?
10:22 Robbo’s favorite and least favorite things in U.S.?
11:11 Did South Beach Seb do anything fun in Miami?
12:31 Better in the Premier League, Hazard or Saleh?
14:00 Where will Weston McKennie play?
17:16 At what point will Saudi money impact FFP?
19:09 What can players do to make a transfer happen?
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It’s so cool to see these guys in studio after all these years
Because they are firing everyone
@@mheiseus The ESPN FC crew should be untouchable. One of the few remaining gems of the network .
@@mheiseuswho got fired?
@@mheiseus False
@@Themotivation066Jeff Van Gundy. The best basketball analyst espn has.
Poor Gab had that boat tilted so high 😂😂😂
More like poor boat 😭
And how he sat so quietly 😂😂
Even tho these guys do the show via internet, it's nice to see them all there in studio. Breath of fresh air. Only person missing is Frank.
ao refreshing to see a complete change of panelists in the studio
Didn’t expect Robbo to call Gab fat 😂
Lmaoo no shame
The Mess/Pele comparison isn't fair. The infrastructure and investment surrounding soccer in America is very different for each player's time.
That was a refreshing extra time. No arguing not a bunch of theatrics. Good chemistry info and banter. Freshen up the panel more often goes a long way
Messi the greatest athlete of all time
Messi wants to stay fit for the copa America
😂 We need more stories of Dan on a night out. Heck, we need footage of Dan on a night out!
Messi will have more impact than Pele because soccer (Football) is more popular nowadays
You forgot the squads world Cup 1994 big defender Alexis Lalas
Love seeing south beach SEB in this studio!! 🙏
Should have worn his glasses
my dad grew up a Cosmos fan and I grew up a Ft. Lauderdale Strikers/Inter Miami fan, insane
Messi's presentation had 3.5 billion views according to David Beckham
U know thats cap bruh 😂😂😂😂
That's false. People who bought that are fools
Pure capping
@@Yuh0847 Meanwhile Clowns believe Ronaldo had 3 billion viewers in Saudi. Pure hypocrites
It’s true , Here is the proof
……Read more
Messi following Pele’s steps, CR7 Aladdin’s.
Hahahahhaa 😂😂😂😂
This is very good
As a CR7 I approve your comment lmfao 🤣
Supreme leader Aladeen for like
More like Lawrence of Arabia
Always trust Mr Marcoti to give nuance and perspective. 👌
When those players went to MLS David Beckham, Zlatan Ibrahimovic Pele etc, at the time they were already heading towards the end of their career, and Lionel Messi is a big name also approaching the end of their footballing careers, and in terms of marketing he'll make the brand of MLS very big because of how known he is in the world of soccer, but from a footballing perspective when you look at it, how does Lionel Messi have an impact on soccer in the United States and the development in North America.
@tytxlx6503 Are you talking about US national team or soccer in the US in general?
UEFA is Europe, there's zero reason why US Men's National Team will be part of UEFA lol!
US Women's National Team is more successful, no one can argue that.
However, MLS games still draw 2x more than women's NWSL games, so it's safe to say men's soccer is still more popular than women's soccer.
@tytxlx6503 How long have you been watching the sport?
New Zealand still plays in Oceania Confederation.
Everyone knew Israel only plays in UEFA because of political reasons.
Israel ended up in Oceania briefly and finally in UEFA only due to political pressure and non-stop boycotts by Muslim countries.
The US does not have a similar political situation in CONCACAF that would justify them moving to UEFA.
In fact the CONCACAF region is competitive enough that the US men failed to qualify for the 2018 World Cup.
Last week the US men just got knocked out by Panama in the Gold Cup semifinal.
There's no reason for the US to switch to UEFA. None. Zero.
I don't know where you got that 99% Americans have zero clue about US men's national team players. That all depends on who you ask. Soccer fans know enough to name a few.
I won't argue the US women's national team players are more visible and popular due to their success and for some mostly due to their political activities.
But so far the less successful US men's national team games still draw more spectators in stadiums, more fans compared to the US women's national team.
See in the US, sports popularity only means something if it translates to ticket sales and TV views. It's all about the money.
@tytxlx6503the girls I see at pick up games don’t even watch woman’s soccer 😂
@tytxlx6503 Thats right, but as you saw these days, people is taking care about last live shows of the greatest sportsman in history, this fenomenon is really unique and far bigger than Pele or whatever you want to mention, this is another proove that God is american, thank you Messi
It is bizarre to see all the zoom crowd partying in the studio while the regular crew are away....you see more of their quality when they are together
If we're looking at the premier league, I choose Mohamed Salah over Eden Hazard. Yes, Eden Hazard has won more league titles than him when he was at Chelsea and in talentwise was better and more exciting every time he had the ball at his feet and was just crazy good, but in premier league football Mohamed Salah will go down as a bigger icon in the league than Eden Hazard in my opinion.
He may have just won 1 league title in 6 years with Liverpool, but he's achieved so much individually in the league, he's a right winger and as an inside forward has won 3 scoring titles, been the top scorer in the division in 3 times in 6 years, 4 out of 6 seasons with Liverpool, he has registered 20+ goals or more, same with 10+ goals 10+ assists, managed to register 19+ goals in the league in all 6 of his seasons there. He's also Liverpool's top ever goal-scorer in the premier league. Even in his first season returning to the premier league he had a 30+ goal season and at the time he had the record for the most goals in a 38 game premier league season. He's also been awarded as PFA premier league player of the season twice during his time at Liverpool. Even if he hasn't come close to that in the league alone, Mohamed Salah has been respectively consistent for Liverpool, producing this high level of output doing it season in season out as a right winger in the toughest league in the world, he's had more overall consistency than Eden Hazard when we're talking about the premier league and if we're putting an all time 11 for best ever players in the premier league, Salah will definitely be there and in that conversation because apart from Ronaldo, there isn't a better right winger ever in the history of the league. Eden Hazard was an impactful player in the premier league and had his far share of moments and individual brilliance and I wish he stayed at Chelsea for a couple more seasons where he would most likely continue those top class performances.
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Hazard has more titles because he didn't have to go against peak Man City with Pep Guardiola, otherwise he would have no Prems. Salah is way better and more consistent.
Salah's goal record speaks for itself. Then you look at his assists and you are surprised. Total package. Fit and ready to score. Can't say the same about Hazard.
McKennie is a Fulham west Han level type player where can play cm and get game time as opposed to other teams where they’ll just get him to fill holes when other players off form injured suspended etc
I consider myself fortunate to be living in a time to watch Messi play. His skill and artistry is so incredible that it compares with the greatest artists that ever lived.....Picasso, Monet, Michelangelo Leonardo da Vinci, Bach, Beethoven, and others. I am aware that some might deem this ridiculous but like those artists Messi is so much above others who play the sport, it is as if he is from a different galaxy, forget about a different planet. When Messi displays his artistry on the field it is like watching Michelangelo at work on the Sistine Chapel or Mozart composing a symphony. Trying to compare him with the other greats such as Pele, Maradona or Christiano Ronaldo is like trying to compare a Leonardo with an Andy Warhol. Silly! Just like we have had only one Michelangelo we have only one Messi. And, once again, I thank God to be alive at a time to see Messi display his art.
Can Messi do it on a humid night in Nashville?
Messi will change this whole mls and miami side.Also congratulations miami for 10million followers in Instagram 🎉
Messi can play soccer at least until he is 45 years old. He still has a lot to give us. He is a super gifted human, there is no doubt about it. But also, he's a guy who respects his workouts and eating and resting like a warrior monk. To this day there is no athlete who comes close to his level. The statistics in his sports career speak for themselves. I'm sure it will give a big boost to the MSL. It is my wish as an Argentinian and South American. So that people in North America can enjoy and feel the incredible euphoria and passion that we all feel around the world when Lionel Messi shows his magic with the ball. He looks very happy and motivated, he will give everything he has so that his club and the MSL reach the level they deserve to have
A few reasons to predict a bigger impact: 1) MLS is way more stablished than previous NASL, 2) USA market is more involved in global football since it consumes more football from other markets than in the 80's. It's not about creating new fans or teaching people about football but create an attractive league that can compete with existing european ones, and 3) Messi is still a competitive beast as far we have seen it. He is not seeing this as a retirement but as challenges to keep himself in good shape for future competitions with Argentina, I wouldn't be surprised if he has 2026 world cup in mind. It would be on the MLS to capitalize the impact Messi will generate and I think they have a capable commissioner.
messi the best - GOAT . THE KING
Messi will have bigger impact because of modern internet of how fast information travel around world.
Yeah ok u nerd 🤓🤓
Nah BS ! Messi will have bigger impact becu he's the true GOAT 🐐
I'm Brazilian and for me Messi will have and is having a greater impact than Pelé mainly because he is the greatest player of all time, he can change this league for the better, he is the most influential sportsman in the world. Messi is above any other player in this sport, even above Pelé, he has the most complete career in football.
He's 36, and he mostly walks. He's joining the worst team in the league. It's old man busquets, messi and 9 donkeys playing on mostly plastic pitches. U need to lower your expectations, lol.
@@jtaco4101 yes, i know that but i like to be optimistic.
@@jtaco4101ave you seen any MLS games? You are woefully ignorant friend. 😂
@@Greatest1812 Pelé pioneered many of the signature skills that Messi does. Think about that for a minute. GOAT is debatable, King is not.
@@troylopez5211 I think you're wrong, there is no player who reaches the same level as Messi individually, he is the only one to master all the fundamentals of the game, he has a unique skills and has revolutionized football with his style of play, not to mention he played at a high level for 3 different decades and that says a lot about him.
Messi with the chruch hug.... Was that Antonella?😂 She got cakes! 🤣😂
How is this even a question, really?! It’s 2023. Of course Messi will have more an impact than Pele in the 70s. Honestly this question baffles my brain
Obviously: Messi; He is the final turbo for the entire movement.
Lio arrives in a growing league: a league that is producing players who can play in Europe.
Pelè came in the desert; He played in a country that didn’t even know anything about his sport… Edson was a spark of curiosity, but the fire didn’t last so much - Cosmos, Pelè’s club in NYC, if I’m not wrong, went bankrupt.
No I think they merged and are still going today in the USL
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Hi Marilyn,
I presume you were talking about NY Cosmos.
Ok: Pelè’s NY Cosmos stopped competing in 1985, one year after the collapsing of the American league of the time. The name (“Cosmos”) was sold in 2009 for a new club.
But: I was wrong about the bankrupt. They didn’t have one. They just collapsed.
How much one of these little cost? And where to find it
He’s gonna love the cat 5 tropical storms 🤣🤣🤣
I was asking about loaning Messi out to Barca since it was announced he was going to MLS.
@user-lk2ec4dn9o 🤣🤣🤣
he is an old player with a fading impact. LMS is perfect for him
It's like Robbo's carrying a brown bear on his boat 😂
I'm 65 yr old American. Pele ,by far,no media.
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In soccer, being shorter than a tall player gives you a 25% advantage. You are physically closer to the ground, which can be quite advantageous. 😊
Messi said he made the move to the US just to enjoy his family and that is exactly what he is doing. He wanted to just have fun, be able to hug his kids after a goal, celebrate a goal as if he was a super hero because his kids asked him to, have his kids kick the ball on the field after a game. It seems he couldn't care less about perceptions, if the MLS is better or worse, although he has said that the league needs to grow and has the potential to do so. Messi and Ronaldo are very different people with different priorities, and they make decision based on that. Neither one of them chose better than the other, their choices are different, that's all.
Gab has completely lost his mind around the Hazard vs Salah, it's shouldn't even be a question...Salah by light years on every metric.
Didn't know Robbo was this naughty😂
Messi in this time and age is bigger in a sense of media and internet.
Pele was the King.
2 different era's.
Again
I've been saying, Messi playing in MLS is when Pele came and played for the Cosmos.
Very big and a lot of buzz.
Just enjoy Messi these next years.
Privilege to watch him.
I say yes given where US is with the sport vs when Pele came.
Duh, the sport is global today. In Pele's time they only knew him as the Black guy that kicked ball.
Pele spread soccer across the globe. You cannot have a greater impact than that.
Oxford vs Cambridge!!!
Still quicker than the fish chasing Jan 😂
No Dan, Stevie or Craig, not for me.
They need to setup a Friendly between InterMiami and Ronald's Saudi team...as soon as possible! Keep the media hype going.
Already having a bigger impact.. no question about that.
7:19 so wrong… that is why “soccer” is not big in America. We don’t want to see a model, we want to see a player like Messi.
Yes because of social media
Yes.
Ofcourse messi is going to be a hit in the MLS the companies and football teams invested alot in him so inorder for them to get their moneys with messi has to be a success . You canttell me all the teams in the MLS chipped in and apple and what ever companies that invested are not going to get teir moneys with. Messi literally owns theleague before his even started playin in it. The US are the bet at entertainment so expect to be entertained
Never how can you compare a 3x world champion, football personified to a hormone induced player that is 1-3 in championship matches.
Pele filled Giants stadium with 76,000 people in a league that eventually folded
I'll prommis +10 goals for Hojlund...
6 goals in 6 games for Denmark
He’s no Joe Cole 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Robbo had an elephant in his boat
Gab says buy Hojlund then loan a Weghorst type...as Weghorst literally did not get a PL goal for United!!
The moderator is bad lol
Let the record show the league failed after Pele joined it.
This show is 200% worse with gab on there interrupting everyone constantly
He already have the numbers and trophies say so! The most decorated Player in history
No. Sports are a part of a country culture. One person can't change the culture of a country.
The biggest impact has come from Beckham's ownership. If Messi decides to take up the option to buy, this may develop a trend. Top players can afford to buy or at least invest in the MLS and this may create longterm growth for the MLS. Messi going Inter Miami is a direct consequence of this business model and Beckham's influence. Ex players need to do something and managing in the lower leagues in the UK and Europe is pretty demoralising. The MLS is a great longterm solution. The same will be true in the Middle East but many will prefer the MLS for cultural reasons.
What did Pele actually do for football in the US?
The league he was part of folded...it didnt have any long term benefits for the game in the US.
The MLS is a much more developed league but i dont think Messi will be able to develop the game in the US either in the long term.
It will take a backer or backers to pump huge amounts into the MLS...like they are doing in the Saudi league...so that better quality players come into multiple teams. Then all MLS games will be watched by people across the globe...leading to more interest in the game on a domestic level.
If you think messi gonna have a bigger impact then pele…..you be high. USA , kids dream to play NFL, NBA, BASEBALL, TRACK N FIELD, TENNIS. IN THAT ORDER. and it didn’t change with pele. Won’t change with Messi.
Pele has 3 world cups becuz he featured among the most powerful Brazilian side ever in the 50s and 60s..
The guy's only got International relevancy nothing on the club level..
Pele is Pele becuz he was the first to show skills to bunch of fans who hasn't seen that before..not becuz he's better than anyone but becuz he showed Europe first..
He can't touch Messi in anyway possible..Messi is THE BETTER Talented one, more trophies and stats.
If Iniesta was in the 60s, they would be calling him a god..
they would have broken iniestas legs in the 60s dude.
@@jtaco4101 they wouldn't even be able to catch iniesta let alone break his leg, he would run through their defense before they even knew what happened, and he is not even the fastest, we are being kind here, cr7 would run through the defenses in the past just by his speed though his dribbling skills are average.
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Messi that doesn’t do a lot of press bigger than Pele??? can we chill with this Messi propaganda pls it’s gonna get annoying soon
Yea theres less viewers because its behind an apple league pass paywall. Suggesting beckhams mls would get more viewers than messis mls is insane
Pele GOAT
Im just shocked the likes of henry and rooney barely made a dent compared to beckham
Beckham was a the pop star who happened to play soccer. That’s why he was more impactful but everyone knows the rivalry between Messi and Ronaldo so no doubt that he would make a huge impact in the MLS.
Let’s not forget that Messi is the second most followed person after Ronaldo on Instagram. That means he is more popular than the Kardashians and Jenners.
@@Freshnewz10 im just saying it shows what the american mentality is....
@@Goatlinton More Americans like soccer than they have in the past.
Even if they don’t make the majority there’s a big chunk of them that do. Take a look at he USMNT community
Pele who?
that is like a dream, to let go Messi, just to play the champions League with Barcelona in June
no way messi will be bigger than pele...lol, pele literally started soccer as a nationally-recognized sport in the united states.
the league bombed after pele joined, beckham and zlatan had more impact on the league than pele and so will messi.
Yes and maradona to
Nah he’s too expensive lmao I want to watch so bad but with what money
The impact that Beckham had on MLS faded? Are you MAD, Seb?? LMAO.
My guy come on now.. look at MLS pre-Beckham and post Beckham. It's not even close, lol
There is no comparison because of social media
50% chance Hojlund scores 10 goals in all competitions for United??? What are these guys smoking 🤣🤣🤣
Is this studio in USA??? I was thinking its based in UK
For that...messi must win three world cup without referees giving penaltina fake penalties....
Do u know why they got penalties? Because argentina attacking their opponent, even france outplayed untill 70 mins
He is 36 years old, remember that
Oh god, the Salah vs Hazard answer was absolutely pathetic. No research whatsoever. Salah - 231 appearances with 139 goals and 59 assists vs. Hazard - 245 appearances with 85 goals and 54 assists. Are you kidding me? There's no comparison. Salah is better, hands down.
The Problem is no matter what they do Soccer is only minority sports in USA.. not like Saudi Pro League Football is they're Main sports and closest to Europe..It will become top 5 league in the world..
Messi becomes the biggest Athlete in America since it was established
Delusion.
nobody gives a f*ck about that hormonal dwarf in America
Jordan is bigger
For a football fan, that was a good discussion. But that was definitely the most boring Extra Time in the last few weeks.
Of Course! The States wasn't ready to embrace Football but with Messi It looks like they are. Pele Laid the ground work.
Literally no. Pele brought the sport to the US and gave it an audience. Messi can’t recreate that level of influence regardless of the absolute greatness that he embodies
Yes, if only because time has passed. When Pele arrived to the US, Americans didn't even know what soccer was. Now, there has been a World Cup in the US and there will be another in 3 years, plus there is an established professional league -not a good one, but a league nonetheless. The NASL Pele played in was a fledgling attempt that fizzled right away. Finally, Pele was definitely finished when he moved to Cosmos. Messi is fresh off winning a World Cup and still has some gas left in his tank.
What hurts Messi is the same thing that hurts Ohtani; the fact they don't communicate in English. Selling you off the field in America is a big thing and I don't know much they're going to be able to appeal to people who don't follow sports in the US as cultural icons until/unless that happens lol
Spanish language is huge in the U.S. so it's not the same with Ohtani
That's where you are wrong. Taking example of Beckham.. who was promoting MLS when he joined the club. Beckham was a great player but he was no where near as big and popular as Messi is. USA was invested in this years Football world cup as it has never been before. And Messi is coming off winning that same world cup. Being the best player of the world cup. Plus.. Messi has got Beckham. Messi doesn't need to promote cuz Beckham will. " I brought the best player in the world to USA" that's the entirety of promotion Messi is gonna need.
Don't need to.... Spanish is more prevalent in Miami anyway lol
@@aihamat David was and still is super popular lol
Except that Spanish market is still huge in the US. Messi appeals to Latin American and South American audience and MLS is a more accessible league for them geographically.
These Chelsea fans got to give it up, Salah literally better in every area. Hazard best seasons in every category is what Salah averages. Salah is a all-time EPL player.
Yes, Messi already has a bigger impact on the US than Pele.
Only soccerheads actively think about Pele. Casuals have to be reminded about Pele, therefore he hardly has any influence on their lives.
Messi is easily MLS version of Lebron. He brings eyes back too MLS.
Yes and that’s only because we actually follow the sport in 2023 at mass level and we as anation have accepted that it cannot be Americanized
who is Hojland?? Højlund
I highly doubt messi will go to Europe in the off season
the meat riding is crazy