I find you ideas interesting. We can only wonder about them. That ice field was 78 miles long. Could have been northward too. We will never know. Titanic continues the mysteries. Enjoyed the video. Thank you.
We know it was considerably northward as well, given that the Californian was stopped by ice some 10-18 nautical miles north of where we know Titanic actually was.
@@mikedicenso2778 yes but like Sam said in the video, had they been further north like the Californian was, the ice fields very well could’ve been much more dense which in theory could’ve allowed them to more easily and quickly spot them. In a more dense ice field they may have been less hasty and more willing to stop. The iceberg that had floated further south was most likely alone and therefore much harder to spot. Easier to see 100 bergs than 1. But who knows at the end of the day
More food for thought - the Californian's wireless went to bed after getting that rude message. Maybe if he didn't get that rude message he would've stayed up later and heard Titanic's distress calls. And being much closer, maybe they could've rescued more people.
Perhaps, but their engines and boilers were shut down for hours, to wait until dawn so they would avoid risking meeting the same fate Titanic did. So even if they did raise steam and pulled up alongside the sinking ship, they would have had little time to rescue everyone on Titanic....even if the crew readied the lifeboats and came alongside, they'd have a job on their hands. Certainly the radioman would have been busy calling in other ships to help with the passengers and getting them to land. They might not have been able to get there before the ship sank and most if not everyone in the water died.
It took a while for the Californian to reach the titanic position when Californian lookouts saw the carpathia rockets at 4am and woke up the wireless operator to check out what is happening at 5am then the Californian leaves at 6am and showed up at 8 am as the carpathia finished picking up boats, so if the Californian hears titanics CQD at 12:15am, it reaches the titanic at 2:15am, the Californian gets to the titanic as it breaks in 2 and the best they can do is throw ladders and nets to see if people can climb up and throw their boats into the sea with no crew, they would be worried about their lifeboats with their crew getting swamped, like the other boats on the sea were worried
With regards to the 2nd theory, a more northern route would have allowed Titanic to possibly be closer to the Californian, which would help in the morse lamps to communicate (as their wouldn't be as much light refraction due to the cold mirage).
I read Robert Ballard's "Exploring the Titanic" at age 6 or 7. I was interested in it for about a year or two until I started learning piano. I then had my obsession with music, and 2 years later, got back into ship stuff. like EXTREMELY into ship stuff. That's how I came across this channel
Even if Titanic's main radio was not working, it's still easy to pin the blame on the Californian. The Titanic crew fired rockets to try and alert nearby ships, and the Californian crew somehow did not realize they were distress signals. You'd think someone would have had the good mind to wake up Cyril Evens and ask him to inquire about the rockets: "Hey Bruh! You having a party or something? What's with all the fireworks?"
I'm in love of the history of the Titanic for years ago. The way you explain, makes that even if you are not a fan of the Titanic, you will ending loving it. You do an amazing job Sam.
Potentially interesting video idea: given that the Titanic was close to managing to steer clear of the iceberg, I wonder how much earlier would the Titanic have had to turn in order to avoid a collision completely, or indeed should they have cut their losses and favoured a head on collision and an arrival in New York with a bloody nose?
@@crystalbethseizetheday8669 No I'm not new to YT. I meant what I said. I wanted to compliment him on his work here. But obviously I put it in the wrong place Thanks for pointing it out. I really appreciate it.
Head on would have been better since they had around 40 seconds to react, though Murdoch couldn't have known it would breach 5-6 compartments, just enough for it to sink. Also the design flaw of water spilling over the watertight doors, Murdoch wasn't an engineer.
One thing I've always been curious about is to why the Titanic (and other liners) didn't have a bit spot light on the bow, or maybe the crows nest, for a situation like this. The big battle wagons in the navy had them for combat, so maybe they would have been helpful.
Probably the would have been the scenario where he wouldn't have snapped at the California for their message. Crazy how something seemingly small could potentially cause a much larger issue.
1. Philips and McBride would not have been 6-7 hours behind on their messages. 2. Because they aren't behind, both are reasonable well-rested and not as stressed out. 3. This in turn means that they make less mistakes, like getting certain critical ice warnings to the bridge, especially from the Mesaba. 4. Which means that there is a much greater chance that Captain Smith orders the Titanic further south than he did in reality and or slows Titanic down in the early hours of Sunday evening. 5. Because Philips isn't stressed out, there's less likelihood that they brush off Evans on and around 11 pm, the Californian (which had stopped due pack ice) they get that critical message, send it to the bridge and because Titanic is going slow enough, are able to get the ship to slow down or stop, most likely because Captain Smith is informed and he makes the final call. 6. And so, Titanic is going slow-ahead or is stopped or has gone far enough south, etc, thus avoids any ice. When daylight comes, they thread their way through any ice and resumes full speed. Ismay and Smith use this as an excuse on Monday to try a full-speed run as they had discussed under the pretext of making up lost time. 7. If Titanic still somehow hits an iceberg and will sink, a sleepy Evans, not having been shouted down, so to speak, is listening in when Titanic sends distress signals and immediately informs Captain Lord, who now has no choice but to respond, and the Californian comes to Titanic's aid, making him into a major hero and international celebrity. However, having gotten all previous messages and having ordered Titanic to slow down, 1st officer Murdoch has plenty of time and maneuver capability to avoid an iceberg or minimize damage so that only a compartment or two is opened.
I’m new to this channel so maybe you’ve already made videos on it, but I think it would be cool to talk about ships that should have sank but saved themselves by beaching themselves or something else.
I think, thanks to the 2 radio operators back than, nowadays users get basic troubleshooting steps given by companies (here in europe it is the case), basic stuff like reseat ram, reseat cards etc, these men, together with the electricians and the firemen, are the real heroes of the Titanic!
Geez you’re so good at covering the nuances of everything and putting things into the context of the times. It’s really uncommon to find that generally and it’s easier to default to an analysis in today’s view or just not even consider the why to things. I really enjoy your content and you have a truly vast knowledge here - it’s amazing to me how much you know not just about the Titanic and related but it’s apparent you have a deep curiosity as well and convey that wonderfully.
PLEASE MAKE A VIDEO on your thoughts about the Titanic II cruise ship that is supposed to set sail sometime in 2022!!!! Is this really a real thing?? I feel like I heard about it years ago and I'm wondering how legit it is! Just discovered your channel and I have been binge watching for days! I love all things Titanic ❤ I mean who doesn't!?
I wonder what happened with the Mount Temple's radio/ radio operator that night. It still was far away; only slightly closer than Carpathia but still Titanic needed all the help she could get. Sad that the ONE ship that really, really needed to hear the distress signal didn't. At 19 mi away I think the Californian, at full speed, might've arrived to help in an hour or so, maybe around 2 AM. The death toll would've been so different.
@Darth terrus Master of power The Titanic gave twice the wrong position, a position which was 13 nautical miles away from the actual sinking side. So maybe The Californian may have arrived few minutes before sinking (I honestly doubt the 20 minutes thesis, she was on sleep mode and max. velocity of 13 knots, and then the enclosing ice field which made her sleep), but at the wrong position... 13 nm apart from the sinking side... She would have needed about an additional hour at max. velocity to arrive the sinking side and this just if she had miraculously known where the actual sinking side in this moonless night was.
I’ve always wondered and have never been able to find someone doing a video on the Olympic on the night Titanic sank. I know it got messages and headed towards it only to be told to turn back for fear of distressing the passengers. Would you be interested in making a video on this? I really enjoy your videos!
Olympic was around 500 miles away from her sister ship on the night of the sinking, and there was no way possible for her to save her sister ship. Also, it was a little bit inconsiderate for her captain to recommend she come and pick up survivors. Imagine the survivors, leave Titanic on lifeboats, leaving behind loved ones who died. And then board an exact near replica of the ship you were on a few hours before, with your alive loved ones. It would have created a mental breakdown of many passengers. The Olympic asked to collect the survivors, as Carpathia was a rival ship from the Cunard Line, and Olympic's captain felt he was doing right, to pick up the survivors from Titanic, who was part of the White Star Line.
I have one burning question about the Titanic-Wreck: what do you think the cabins and rooms down in the ship, that have never been discovered look like now? Probably like the rest of what we have seen from the inside of the wreck - do you have any thoughts on that? Greetings from Germany - I love your videos!
The wood would have mostly been eaten away by now, and many of the cabins are collapsed or open to the sea due to the impact with the bottom, the break up, or both. Objects made of non ferrous metals, glass, porcelain would be intact, indeed the light fixtures are probably still in the cabins, along with personal belongings such as suitcases. However, rusticles by now are everywhere inside the wreck, and after the carpets were eaten away, or rotted away, the decks are covered with rusticles that fell off over the past 110 years. There's just not much left of the interior of the ship anymore.
can you do a video on second class accommodations and how they live on the Titanic? You usually only hear about first or third, but hardly anything on second class.
2nd class accommodation on Titanic was really like 1st class on other ships. Did you know that some 2nd class rooms on Titanic's D Deck and E Deck were dual - meaning they could be switched between 1st and 2nd class, depending on which class needed to rooms or not. That shows you just how close to 1st class rooms, that 2nd class were. In fact, 2nd class staterooms looked very like the basic standard 1st class cabins on Titanic, which were based on A Deck.
2nd Class on Titanic has superb facilities - their state rooms were really comfortable, and as I said in my previous comment to you, they were on a par with the basic standard 1st class cabins on A-Deck. They had stewards who would serve them tea/coffee and light snacks in their staterooms, as 2nd class staterooms like 1st class had buttons in the wall to call a steward when needed. Their dining saloon was on the same deck as the 1st class dining saloon (D Deck) and 2nd class shared kitchen facilities with 1st class, meaning in 2nd class, they would be offered a good portion of food items which would have also been served to 1st class. In fact looking at the 1st Class Breakfast Menu, 85% of the items on it were also available to 2nd Class for Breakfast. They had a fantastic library/lounge room, which was their version of the 1st Class Lounge/Reading and Writing Room, just in a less flamboyant scale. Their smoking room was in beautiful oak, with leather chairs, fireplace and stewards serving drinks, once again, just a less flamboyant version of 1st Class smoking room. They had their own barbershop just like first class. They had a proper promenade, aft on the ship, which occupied the aft end of the boat deck with enclosed promenades on B Deck and C Deck, far more space than 3rd class. They had a smaller but decent staircase and entrance hall, and unlike 3rd class, 2nd class had complete access to the boat deck through the staircase. Easy access to the life boats, which showed you how much they considered 2nd Class passengers to be "near equals" to 1st Class. They had their own purser's office, just like 1st class. Refreshments were served on the boat deck promenade just like 1st class. And finally, unlike 3rd class, 2nd class passengers actually found it easier to get into 1st class space on the ship. In fact many 1st Class rich passengers servants/valets/maids were given 2nd class accommodation. 2nd Class passengers could be easily invited to 1st Class, and also since 1st and 2nd Class passengers dressed in very similar attire, they could easily be allowed into 1st class areas. A couple of 2nd class survivors have said they used the 1st class only gym on the boat deck during the voyage, which was supposed to be only for 1st Class. I hope this helps?
I have been fascinated about the Titanic since I was in 2nd grade. I was 8 years old. I have a what if scenario about the breakup. Video idea: What if the Titanic broke in a V shape instead of from between the third and second smokestack down to the double bottom?
After your theory on marconi system's fixing , it made me feel so sad for those two fellows :( in one way it helped to get the passengers rescued and the other way it would have possibly avoided the whole tragedy. Man its even more painful than the entire sinking :( RIP Titanic
I love these "What If" videos, it really makes you think about the sinking. This got me thinking, from what I remember only the front 5 boiler rooms were being used, so how would things be different if the back 5 were being used and boiler room No.6 was un-used?
yea if the marconi wireless was broken and they havent fixed it the carpathia wouldn't have came to titanic to rescue the titanic Passengers That plays A huge Role durring the Sinking im Amazed thanks for ur amazing content Sam!!!
I request that you make Titanic what-if videos on the following: - What if Titanic sank in tropical-warm ocean instead of the icy Atlantic, damage and everything else being the same? - What if Titanic sank at full/max capacity, damage and everything else being the same? - What if depth of Atlantic below Titanic only being about 200 feet instead of 12500 feet, damage and everything else being the same?
Awesome video Sam It seems the more and more I learn about the events leading up to the sinking of Titanic the more it really does seem that the ship was destined to sink. That's so weird to think if they hadn't fixed Titanic's main radio there is a chance that she may not have stuck the iceberg. Keep up the great work Sam Big g'day from Australia 😊👋🇦🇺
You should set up a liner themed studio for your dialogue segments would take the channel to the next level! Great videos though man really enjoy your content 👍🏻🇨🇦
First, thank you for all the great content....watched and listened to many hours of it while building models of not only th Titanic but many other. Second, I have to say you are one of the most genuine and most nicest CZcamsr I've come across. Thank you again and I look forward to all the content you produce.
Love this videos so much. Would you mind doing one about the dogs on board? I've been curious about what happened to them. I know a few survived the sinking and that supposedly J. J. Astor tried to open the kennels and give them a chance, although I don't know if it is true. Anyway I think it might be interesting to see what you have to say about this topic. Keep with the good work, pal. You're one of the best channels I've ever seen in this site.
Just one thought. All of my life I have believed that A NIGHT TO REMEMBER is the best book to start learning about the TITANIC! Sure there were errors, but you have to remember that Walter Lord wrote it thirty years before they found the ship! Walter wrote a sequel showing where was wrong! I also remember that THE TITANIC was and still is the greatest WHAT IF story ever. I do we enjoy watching your CZcams channel. I'm almost 75, and I still find new things to be astounded at.
Radios are a little different than a computer, you essentially have to know how a radio functions in order to use it. And radios are FAR more simple than even the simplest computers.
At least having a working radio did helped with the rescuing of the Titanic survivors, even though it was minimal but significant. Otherwise, the situation would've been even worst if the radio was broken. Without it, the Carpathia would've not come and the survivors would've all frozen to death.
Bear in mind the purpose of this presentation. The potential that if the radio was broken the chain of events leading to the collision is broken and the accident doesn't happen.
One story I’d like to hear is the story of the man who spotted the iceberg. I know a little of his story. I know he blamed himself for the deaths but I have always believed that there was nothing he could have done.
You are right - Frederick Fleet was the lookout who spotted the iceberg. He had no binoculars and so his vision was limited to his eyes. Not his fault, but the fault of the officers who never considered this to be a major problem.
@@johnking5174 Binoculars wouldn't have really helped on a moonless night because the iceberg wouldn't have been reflecting any light to make it noticeable. The best way to spot bergs on a night like the one she sank was to look at the horizon and spot the silhouette of the berg in the stars on the horizon
Love this!!! I've gone through all your videos and having to go to other youtube channels for titanic stuff and your content is just a grade above!! Awesome job
@@HistoricTravels no haha I did see it, although I made this comment before I saw it. I shared it with all my friends and said my fave titanic youtuber shouted me out 🤣
@@HistoricTravels I believe the Parisian was 45 to 50 miles away, same thing with antillian, they were 50 miles away and the bresula was about 40 miles from the titanic so they could of gotten the distress call from the emergency set.
@@HistoricTravelshere’s a hypothetical question let’s say titantic happen to have 2 men from the present day with a speedboat to shoot to the Californian ship given during the sinking and in the ice field do you think they would of been within distance to go to and fro saving all the people on the titanic?? I’m curious wondering
I already had your first theory in mind when you started the scenario, as I already figured without the communication with Cape Race, ice warnings, especially from Californian, would have gotten more attention, mostly out of sheer boredom. I also think it might be possible the Californian’s wireless operator might have stuck around a bit after his shift to hear the ice chatter before turning in, allowing that ship to be aware of a distress did go out. Range would be odder than you think. We all know that while the regular Marconi had a long range, that night signals exceeded that range extensively due to the oddly calm weather conditions that night. Signals travelled so far that there were amateurs picking up the CQD from the British Isles. I would think the emergency set would experience a similar phenomenon, as it might pick up and transmit to ships slightly farther than the projected 50 mile range. That would definitely put it within range of Mount Temple and Carpathia. I do feel they would still be more aware of ice warnings, that Smith would have taken the same action, and events would have played out nearly the same. But that chance of whether the wireless operator of Californian decided to stick around out of boredom or curiosity in the same manner as that of the wireless operator of the Carpathia….perhaps the loss of life that evening could have been minimized. “Say, Old Man, quiet tonight. And more sign of that ice everyone’s been talking about?”
Those radio operators should have had shifts. That way someone would always be at the radio. Understandably, the California had limited crew at the time.
All radio operators were members of the Marconi Company, not their respective shipping line. Big ships could afford two operators, but smaller ships could only afford one.
Another great video. I finally subscribed. Might as well bc l watch them all! I feel so sorry for the Carpathians's Captain. Even though he tried to clear his name, deep in his heart he knows. If he had gotten himself out of bed and investigated, just maybe......A sad situation.
At the time period, would the captain change the speed/heading of the ship knowing the operators switched to the backup system and that it can't transmit as far? Or would they have not cared?
I started watching your videos a few days ago and I'm still watching them lol. Awesome job! I've really learned a lot from your videos about the titanic and the other shipwrecks. I also like your 'what if' videos. Keep up the good work!
Hi, thanks for a good video. Just some extra thoughts. I know that the backup wireless on Titanic had a power of 1.5 kW (the main transmitter had 5 kW), which was a standard power of the device at the time. Most ships had transmitter of the same power (1.5kW), including the nearby placed Californian, Carpathia and Mount Temple. I think that the reach of this wireless set was far greater than 50 miles, especially at night. We know that Mount Temple's operator Jack Durrant testified in front of the US Inquiry that its reach was 150 miles by day and 200 miles at night. Similarly, we know that ships with this power of wireless (also Frankfurt and Birma) easily communicated with other ships and Titanic at distances far exceeding 50 miles. We know that Carpathia with this power of wireless was easily heard by both Titanic and Mount Temple. Similarly, Virginian could communicate both with Titanic and was heard by Cape Race, with distance between Titanic and Cape Race being way more than 300 miles. So my question is, why do you think that Titanic's backup set with 1.5 kW, the same power as had by ships around, would have such short reach? Was it an older model than the others? My second thought about Titanic's radio not working at all (not even the backup one) would possibly improve Titanic survivors' chances. Why? Because had captain Smith been told at 12.25am that he couldn't send any wireless distress message, maybe he would have done what he was supposed to do in the first place, which is to use the proper distress signalling. At the time, besides lighting fires and shooting from cannons (obviously not applicable on Titanic), it was in the first place firing of distress rockets. In reality the first rocket went up at about 12.47am, some twenty minutes after the first wireless call and by that time it was quite late, they were supposed to be launched before the wireless went out. We know that Captain Lord on Californian queried officer Stone at about 12.47am, whether there was anything about the ship that stopped nearby (Titanic). Had captain Smith of Titanic, after failing to send wireless distress calls, instead ordered rockets to be fired earlier, with the first one going up at say 12.30am, they too might have been seen earlier and captain Lord's reaction to them, since he personally requested the information, might too have been different as well. But that's just a big what if. The third thought about Titanic sending no wireless calls at all (or doing so but not being heard by anybody), would be that in such case, believe it or not, the survivors might have been found by Californian itself. Why? The reason is lifeboat no. 8. We know that the crew of this lifeboat, after Titanic's sinking at 2.20am, started rowing towards Californian. Assuming the distance of 13-15 miles (Sam Halpern et al provide probably the best calculations on this) and a speed of a boat of say 1.5 to 2 knots, by the time Californian started crossing the icefield at about 6am, they might get some 5.25 to 7 miles closer. At this distance the lifeboat might be spotted by Californian, especially if they tried to attract attention (attaching coloured stuff to raised oars, burning fire etc.). The second reason is that Chief Officer Stewart of Californian, puzzled by what he learned about the rockets, was scanning the horizon after 4am. Had he done it later again, he might have indeed spot the lonely lifeboat no. 8. But that's enough from me. Thanks again for your videos.
My personal feeling is the outcome would've been the same. With the belief the ship was unsinkable and the pressure to make it to New York early to impress, no one seemed too worried about icebergs enough to take any of the warnings seriously. Had the Californian's message made it to the bridge, it likely would've been brushed off like the rest.
Unfortunately Phillip didn't put iceberg warnings as priority. He just set them aside, so it didn't make it to the bridge. They put sending passenger messages as priority because that is what they were paid and Phillip was working a backlog that had accumulated while the wireless was down
I’ve been fascinated with the Titanic since I was a child. Here’s an idea for a new video or maybe series. I’d love to learn more about the lives of some of the passengers and crew on board. Especially the owner of the Titanic Bruce Ismay. Absolutely love your videos and have learnt so much more about the Titanic thanks to them. Keep them coming!
I love your Titanic what if videos, Sam! This one is the best so far; but I was wondering about a what if video on the postman and the mail room on the ship. I haven’t heard anything about this yet.
I just found your channel and I am going through all the videos (subscribed!). In one video you mentioned podcasts about that Titanic. What podcasts do you recommend? Thank you for the great videos and information.
Great video as always! Random thought, I dont know if you have mentioned it in the past. But is it documented that someone really said 'Not even God can sink this ship' or was it just one of those quotes from the 1997 movie
The "Carpathia" wasn't 58 miles away but probably around 50 miles, perhaps a little less. Titanic gave the wrong position twice (the first calculated by Captain Smith and then another by 4th officer Boxhall). Titanic's wreck is located 13 miles east of the CQD-position and she drifted to the south after shutting down her engines. "Carpathia" was luckily along the course and met up with the lifeboats earlier than she would've had the CQD-position been correct. This made Rostron overestimate the speed that Carpathia held on her way to the rescue and Rostron apparently took the position for granted. The CQD-position was questioned already in 1912 by the commander of the "Mount Temple" as it placed Titanic west of the large ice-field which was in the Titanic's track (and which the "Californian" traversed on her way to the erroneous CQD-position). No shadow on Rostron of course.
Note: I hvent watch the vid fully yet. But reading the title vid makes my spine quivering in curiosity. Could you imagined how doomed their situation is when the ship was sinking and no one knows about it. And the boat survivors are also doomed to their fate. Surviving one death to another. Damn, that's terrifying. Looking forward to this episode.
The real question is what if the radio was not repaired, and no distress call was received by anyone, and the ship just disappeared. People waiting in New York scratching their heads wondering what happened, why no messages, no one would know where the lifeboats were, they would have all disappeared. Perhaps exactly how Bermuda Triangle disappearance stories happen. That scenario is to me is the scariest what if.
Hey Sam, just wanted to say I really do enjoy your videos, especially your Titanic videos. I was wondering, since you've touched on the topic of the Titanic's wireless radio in this video, could you do a video sometime talking about Titanic's engine order telegraphs and how they played a role in the Titanic disaster? I hear a lot of different stories about how the telegraphs were set to "Full Astern" right before the collision (which has been up for debate at least from what I've heard over the years,) so I thought that could be an interesting topic to cover in a future video whenever you do get the chance. Thanks so much for the awesome content!!
i've pondered this for a few years since i found out that the radio was broken the night before the sinking, if jack phillips and harold bride had not fixed the radio before the sinking, i think that the titanic would not be able to have reached carpathia, the californian, could have responded if jack wasn't rude to the operator on that ship, there would be a lot more deaths partly because the people would be drifting in lifeboats for far longer than a few hours, as for the ship, it could be a bermuda triangle phenomenon, without the coordinates, it would have been harder for ballard to find the wreck by 1985
Can you do a video on the Korean Sewol ferry disaster? Just like the Costa Concordia, they were told to stay put even while the ship had listed completely onto its side. I’d like to hear your retelling of it as I felt the same anger you were feeling when you were explaining what happened to the Costa Concordia
The radio of ghostship Mv Joyita had limited range of about 3.2 km because of a break in antenna cable. All pasengers and crew vanish. The ship was found floating a month later empty.
What would have happened if they blasted a big hole in the rear most compartment of the ship as it was sinking? Would the extra weight in the back have been enough to stop the bow from dipping far enough for the water to go over the bulkheads?
It's an interesting thoery, but I'm not sure if the Titanic would of been save if the main radio wasn't repaird. Their were plenty of warnings that were sent prior to the night of the 14, but many of them were ignored by the officers on duty. Even if Jack had receive the warning from the Californian, their was no garantee that officer Murdock, who was in charge on deck at the time, would of taking it seriously and slowed down or stopped the ship.
yes, there were ice warnings given to the bridge throughout the day so the captain knew of them and should have slowed the ship down. The fault lies really with the captain, he is in charge of his ship. Phillips must have thought that the captain would act on his ice warnings. The ship was going too fast. Once messages are relayed it was up to the bridge to act upon the warnings. The fact that Lightoller said Phillips put the message under a paperweight from the mesaba is a mistake as Phillips was not on the same lifeboat as Lightoller but Bride was and he knew Phillips was not on the same lifeboat. Lightoller erred therefore, thinking that Phillips was on the same lifeboat, it was Bride who was with him so Phillips could not have told him that he put a message under a paperweight. Bride never saw Phillips after they left the wireless room except when Bride believes he may have seen him lying in a collapsible as he was climbing onto the Carpathia, unfortunatley, Phillips if it was Phillips that Bride saw was deceased. Nobody really knows what happened to Phillips after leaving the wireless room, but Bride knew he was not on the same lifeboat as himself and Lightoller. Good on those two Wireless operators for mending the radio, they saved a lot of lives. I expect so many ice warning were given before the ship struck the iceberg that the wireless men expected the Bridge including the captain to act upon their messages.
Today they're diving down to the Estonia to investigate the newly discovered hole in the hull. Kinda hyped what they'll find. I mentioned this during the livestream and thought i'd let you know Sam
It’s almost like everything was set up for titanic to sink, as though god himself was trying to sink the ship. Reminds me of the show 11.22.63 when he tries to change the past but the past pushes back. Weird…
Mayb sometime you can do review over one of the many Titanic documentaries and tell us your personal thoughts on it. Example reviewing over the Titanic drained documentation. Great content. Keep it up.
Once I read the title, you said just about everything I thought of. You should do a part 2 to this about how if the Titanic survived of how that would have prolonged the safety measures to come about. You could include the safety measures that saved other ships afterwards and how that could have changed things. Maybe even speculate on how long or what level of disaster needed to happen before maritime leaders decided, or were forced to make a change.
Intresting topic for episode: the story of HAPAG Liners trio (Imperator, Bismarck and Vaterland). They were bigger and more luxorious than Olympic class and they entered service right after Olympic class, outclassing it right in 1913. Despite that they seem to be forgotten - strange for a biggest and most luxurious class of liners in the world from 1913 up to completing Normandie and Queen Mary in 1935/37, flying jacks of German Empire, Great Britain and United States during their long and succesful carrer
Do a video on how the Titanic's center prop was 3 bladed and not 4 like Olympic's prop. Research into this subject was very interesting. Then led to me researching how sea water is kept out of the ship around the driveshafts. The sealed shaft tunnels were likely the primary reason the stern had imploded like it did. The technology used to seal the shafts is amazing for its time.
Video Idea: Do a video in which you explore scenes in movies about Titanic such as TITANIC 1997, A Night To Remember 1958, and Titanic 1953 and one thing I highly want you to do in this video (If you make it) is and this is actually showcased in the 1953 Titanic film that when the Band starts playing Nearer My God To Thee in this film the passengers and crew remaining on Titanic sing the song together as a choir, now this is my question did it happen or not ?
@@HistoricTravels Hi from the United Kingdom. I am so impressed with your content. Truly amazing work. I have studied Titanic since 1996 - it was part of my history degree at university. Truly amazing research you have done. Love the Titanic story as there is so much to dig deep into it. There are so many things you can make videos about on this event. Well Done.
Also possible , extending your hypothesis, that if Titanic had not been working Cape Race , and thus Jack Philips had not had the curt exchange with the Californian WT officer , that he might not have shut down for the night when he did , and Californian might then have heard the distress call when it did
A big endeavor would be a what if video on what if Titanic struck the iceberg head on and how history would have changed if she never sank and naval regulations were never affected.
I find you ideas interesting. We can only wonder about them. That ice field was 78 miles long. Could have been northward too. We will never know. Titanic continues the mysteries. Enjoyed the video. Thank you.
We know it was considerably northward as well, given that the Californian was stopped by ice some 10-18 nautical miles north of where we know Titanic actually was.
@@mikedicenso2778 yes but like Sam said in the video, had they been further north like the Californian was, the ice fields very well could’ve been much more dense which in theory could’ve allowed them to more easily and quickly spot them. In a more dense ice field they may have been less hasty and more willing to stop. The iceberg that had floated further south was most likely alone and therefore much harder to spot. Easier to see 100 bergs than 1. But who knows at the end of the day
More food for thought - the Californian's wireless went to bed after getting that rude message. Maybe if he didn't get that rude message he would've stayed up later and heard Titanic's distress calls. And being much closer, maybe they could've rescued more people.
I agree. The Titanic was very rude and there was great pressure to generate $$$ revenue sending messages for passengers
That is so smart
I think that very much so could be the case mate
Perhaps, but their engines and boilers were shut down for hours, to wait until dawn so they would avoid risking meeting the same fate Titanic did. So even if they did raise steam and pulled up alongside the sinking ship, they would have had little time to rescue everyone on Titanic....even if the crew readied the lifeboats and came alongside, they'd have a job on their hands. Certainly the radioman would have been busy calling in other ships to help with the passengers and getting them to land. They might not have been able to get there before the ship sank and most if not everyone in the water died.
It took a while for the Californian to reach the titanic position when Californian lookouts saw the carpathia rockets at 4am and woke up the wireless operator to check out what is happening at 5am then the Californian leaves at 6am and showed up at 8 am as the carpathia finished picking up boats, so if the Californian hears titanics CQD at 12:15am, it reaches the titanic at 2:15am, the Californian gets to the titanic as it breaks in 2 and the best they can do is throw ladders and nets to see if people can climb up and throw their boats into the sea with no crew, they would be worried about their lifeboats with their crew getting swamped, like the other boats on the sea were worried
With regards to the 2nd theory, a more northern route would have allowed Titanic to possibly be closer to the Californian, which would help in the morse lamps to communicate (as their wouldn't be as much light refraction due to the cold mirage).
I have been fascinated with titanic for the last 18 years from age of 5 to now at 23
What country you from ?
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I had a book about the wreckage when I was in 2nd grade back in 1997. EVERYBODY was talking about the movie.
I read Robert Ballard's "Exploring the Titanic" at age 6 or 7. I was interested in it for about a year or two until I started learning piano. I then had my obsession with music, and 2 years later, got back into ship stuff. like EXTREMELY into ship stuff. That's how I came across this channel
Even if Titanic's main radio was not working, it's still easy to pin the blame on the Californian. The Titanic crew fired rockets to try and alert nearby ships, and the Californian crew somehow did not realize they were distress signals. You'd think someone would have had the good mind to wake up Cyril Evens and ask him to inquire about the rockets: "Hey Bruh! You having a party or something? What's with all the fireworks?"
Yea you really think so!
Thanks for the shout-out :D
I'm in love of the history of the Titanic for years ago.
The way you explain, makes that even if you are not a fan of the Titanic, you will ending loving it.
You do an amazing job Sam.
Potentially interesting video idea: given that the Titanic was close to managing to steer clear of the iceberg, I wonder how much earlier would the Titanic have had to turn in order to avoid a collision completely, or indeed should they have cut their losses and favoured a head on collision and an arrival in New York with a bloody nose?
@@robertmofford395 you’re replying to a comment. Not the person who made the video…
@@robertmofford395 new to CZcams?
@@crystalbethseizetheday8669 No I'm not new to YT. I meant what I said. I wanted to compliment him on his work here. But obviously I put it in the wrong place
Thanks for pointing it out. I really appreciate it.
Head on would have been better since they had around 40 seconds to react, though Murdoch couldn't have known it would breach 5-6 compartments, just enough for it to sink. Also the design flaw of water spilling over the watertight doors, Murdoch wasn't an engineer.
One thing I've always been curious about is to why the Titanic (and other liners) didn't have a bit spot light on the bow, or maybe the crows nest, for a situation like this. The big battle wagons in the navy had them for combat, so maybe they would have been helpful.
I pondered something different: What if the radio hadn't broken in the first place?
I think about: What if the ocean were dry that night?
Probably the would have been the scenario where he wouldn't have snapped at the California for their message. Crazy how something seemingly small could potentially cause a much larger issue.
Not a damn thing
he was also rude because he was behind on the messages because it broke
1. Philips and McBride would not have been 6-7 hours behind on their messages.
2. Because they aren't behind, both are reasonable well-rested and not as stressed out.
3. This in turn means that they make less mistakes, like getting certain critical ice warnings to the bridge, especially from the Mesaba.
4. Which means that there is a much greater chance that Captain Smith orders the Titanic further south than he did in reality and or slows Titanic down in the early hours of Sunday evening.
5. Because Philips isn't stressed out, there's less likelihood that they brush off Evans on and around 11 pm, the Californian (which had stopped due pack ice) they get that critical message, send it to the bridge and because Titanic is going slow enough, are able to get the ship to slow down or stop, most likely because Captain Smith is informed and he makes the final call.
6. And so, Titanic is going slow-ahead or is stopped or has gone far enough south, etc, thus avoids any ice. When daylight comes, they thread their way through any ice and resumes full speed. Ismay and Smith use this as an excuse on Monday to try a full-speed run as they had discussed under the pretext of making up lost time.
7. If Titanic still somehow hits an iceberg and will sink, a sleepy Evans, not having been shouted down, so to speak, is listening in when Titanic sends distress signals and immediately informs Captain Lord, who now has no choice but to respond, and the Californian comes to Titanic's aid, making him into a major hero and international celebrity. However, having gotten all previous messages and having ordered Titanic to slow down, 1st officer Murdoch has plenty of time and maneuver capability to avoid an iceberg or minimize damage so that only a compartment or two is opened.
I’m new to this channel so maybe you’ve already made videos on it, but I think it would be cool to talk about ships that should have sank but saved themselves by beaching themselves or something else.
I’d love this
I agree lol
I love these Storys. Maybe not all the "what if" facts in the first place... but all the true facts you need to create this "what if".
Its great.
I think, thanks to the 2 radio operators back than, nowadays users get basic troubleshooting steps given by companies (here in europe it is the case), basic stuff like reseat ram, reseat cards etc, these men, together with the electricians and the firemen, are the real heroes of the Titanic!
I have an idea for a non-Titanic video: The story of the LZ 129 Hindenburg
Titanic of the air
Geez you’re so good at covering the nuances of everything and putting things into the context of the times. It’s really uncommon to find that generally and it’s easier to default to an analysis in today’s view or just not even consider the why to things.
I really enjoy your content and you have a truly vast knowledge here - it’s amazing to me how much you know not just about the Titanic and related but it’s apparent you have a deep curiosity as well and convey that wonderfully.
I should’ve put a ‘you see’ in the above comment, dammit.
PLEASE MAKE A VIDEO on your thoughts about the Titanic II cruise ship that is supposed to set sail sometime in 2022!!!! Is this really a real thing?? I feel like I heard about it years ago and I'm wondering how legit it is! Just discovered your channel and I have been binge watching for days! I love all things Titanic ❤ I mean who doesn't!?
If you Google Clive Palmer Titanic 2 that will answer your question. All I will say is I wouldn't hold your breath ....
Titanic Animations is a really nice guy! Glad to see you two collaborated here, and hope so see more in the future!
I wonder what happened with the Mount Temple's radio/ radio operator that night. It still was far away; only slightly closer than Carpathia but still Titanic needed all the help she could get. Sad that the ONE ship that really, really needed to hear the distress signal didn't. At 19 mi away I think the Californian, at full speed, might've arrived to help in an hour or so, maybe around 2 AM. The death toll would've been so different.
Jack Phillips is solely responsible for all the deaths.
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@Darth terrus Master of power The Titanic gave twice the wrong position, a position which was 13 nautical miles away from the actual sinking side. So maybe The Californian may have arrived few minutes before sinking (I honestly doubt the 20 minutes thesis, she was on sleep mode and max. velocity of 13 knots, and then the enclosing ice field which made her sleep), but at the wrong position... 13 nm apart from the sinking side... She would have needed about an additional hour at max. velocity to arrive the sinking side and this just if she had miraculously known where the actual sinking side in this moonless night was.
@@trollege9618 I do not know too, considering all former ice warnings being ignored as well...
@@Gameboy-Unboxings no
I’ve always wondered and have never been able to find someone doing a video on the Olympic on the night Titanic sank. I know it got messages and headed towards it only to be told to turn back for fear of distressing the passengers.
Would you be interested in making a video on this? I really enjoy your videos!
Olympic was around 500 miles away from her sister ship on the night of the sinking, and there was no way possible for her to save her sister ship. Also, it was a little bit inconsiderate for her captain to recommend she come and pick up survivors. Imagine the survivors, leave Titanic on lifeboats, leaving behind loved ones who died. And then board an exact near replica of the ship you were on a few hours before, with your alive loved ones. It would have created a mental breakdown of many passengers. The Olympic asked to collect the survivors, as Carpathia was a rival ship from the Cunard Line, and Olympic's captain felt he was doing right, to pick up the survivors from Titanic, who was part of the White Star Line.
I have one burning question about the Titanic-Wreck: what do you think the cabins and rooms down in the ship, that have never been discovered look like now? Probably like the rest of what we have seen from the inside of the wreck - do you have any thoughts on that? Greetings from Germany - I love your videos!
The wood would have mostly been eaten away by now, and many of the cabins are collapsed or open to the sea due to the impact with the bottom, the break up, or both. Objects made of non ferrous metals, glass, porcelain would be intact, indeed the light fixtures are probably still in the cabins, along with personal belongings such as suitcases. However, rusticles by now are everywhere inside the wreck, and after the carpets were eaten away, or rotted away, the decks are covered with rusticles that fell off over the past 110 years. There's just not much left of the interior of the ship anymore.
@@taraswertelecki3786 wow thank you for that detailed answer 😃
Grüße aus Mainz 🙂
This was a banger video dude sorry I am late. Lots of love from Turkey and NightRider.
can you do a video on second class accommodations and how they live on the Titanic? You usually only hear about first or third, but hardly anything on second class.
I love this idea
2nd class accommodation on Titanic was really like 1st class on other ships. Did you know that some 2nd class rooms on Titanic's D Deck and E Deck were dual - meaning they could be switched between 1st and 2nd class, depending on which class needed to rooms or not. That shows you just how close to 1st class rooms, that 2nd class were. In fact, 2nd class staterooms looked very like the basic standard 1st class cabins on Titanic, which were based on A Deck.
2nd Class on Titanic has superb facilities - their state rooms were really comfortable, and as I said in my previous comment to you, they were on a par with the basic standard 1st class cabins on A-Deck. They had stewards who would serve them tea/coffee and light snacks in their staterooms, as 2nd class staterooms like 1st class had buttons in the wall to call a steward when needed. Their dining saloon was on the same deck as the 1st class dining saloon (D Deck) and 2nd class shared kitchen facilities with 1st class, meaning in 2nd class, they would be offered a good portion of food items which would have also been served to 1st class. In fact looking at the 1st Class Breakfast Menu, 85% of the items on it were also available to 2nd Class for Breakfast. They had a fantastic library/lounge room, which was their version of the 1st Class Lounge/Reading and Writing Room, just in a less flamboyant scale. Their smoking room was in beautiful oak, with leather chairs, fireplace and stewards serving drinks, once again, just a less flamboyant version of 1st Class smoking room. They had their own barbershop just like first class. They had a proper promenade, aft on the ship, which occupied the aft end of the boat deck with enclosed promenades on B Deck and C Deck, far more space than 3rd class. They had a smaller but decent staircase and entrance hall, and unlike 3rd class, 2nd class had complete access to the boat deck through the staircase. Easy access to the life boats, which showed you how much they considered 2nd Class passengers to be "near equals" to 1st Class. They had their own purser's office, just like 1st class. Refreshments were served on the boat deck promenade just like 1st class. And finally, unlike 3rd class, 2nd class passengers actually found it easier to get into 1st class space on the ship. In fact many 1st Class rich passengers servants/valets/maids were given 2nd class accommodation. 2nd Class passengers could be easily invited to 1st Class, and also since 1st and 2nd Class passengers dressed in very similar attire, they could easily be allowed into 1st class areas. A couple of 2nd class survivors have said they used the 1st class only gym on the boat deck during the voyage, which was supposed to be only for 1st Class. I hope this helps?
I have been fascinated about the Titanic since I was in 2nd grade. I was 8 years old. I have a what if scenario about the breakup.
Video idea: What if the Titanic broke in a V shape instead of from between the third and second smokestack down to the double bottom?
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Oh lord!!!!
Wow, when I read the title, my first thought was "A lot more people would have died", but you brought up possibilities I hadn't thought of.
Nice video! It’s just amazing how just one tiny little change can have a major impact on an event, how everything can play out so differently
After your theory on marconi system's fixing , it made me feel so sad for those two fellows :( in one way it helped to get the passengers rescued and the other way it would have possibly avoided the whole tragedy. Man its even more painful than the entire sinking :( RIP Titanic
Thank you for the shout out, Sam. I appreciate it a lot, buddy. 😀
‘The answer may surprise you-‘
Unless it actually would save more lives I doubt the answer will surprise me.
Edit: love your videos
I love these "What If" videos, it really makes you think about the sinking. This got me thinking, from what I remember only the front 5 boiler rooms were being used, so how would things be different if the back 5 were being used and boiler room No.6 was un-used?
If the Titanic's radio was broken that night, they would have simply turned here around and brought her back to Belfast 😂😂
yea if the marconi wireless was broken and they havent fixed it the carpathia wouldn't have came to titanic to rescue the titanic Passengers That plays A huge Role durring the Sinking im Amazed thanks for ur amazing content Sam!!!
I request that you make Titanic what-if videos on the following:
- What if Titanic sank in tropical-warm ocean instead of the icy Atlantic, damage and everything else being the same?
- What if Titanic sank at full/max capacity, damage and everything else being the same?
- What if depth of Atlantic below Titanic only being about 200 feet instead of 12500 feet, damage and everything else being the same?
Awesome video Sam
It seems the more and more I learn about the events leading up to the sinking of Titanic the more it really does seem that the ship was destined to sink.
That's so weird to think if they hadn't fixed Titanic's main radio there is a chance that she may not have stuck the iceberg.
Keep up the great work Sam
Big g'day from Australia 😊👋🇦🇺
You should set up a liner themed studio for your dialogue segments would take the channel to the next level! Great videos though man really enjoy your content 👍🏻🇨🇦
First, thank you for all the great content....watched and listened to many hours of it while building models of not only th Titanic but many other. Second, I have to say you are one of the most genuine and most nicest CZcamsr I've come across. Thank you again and I look forward to all the content you produce.
Love this videos so much. Would you mind doing one about the dogs on board? I've been curious about what happened to them. I know a few survived the sinking and that supposedly J. J. Astor tried to open the kennels and give them a chance, although I don't know if it is true.
Anyway I think it might be interesting to see what you have to say about this topic.
Keep with the good work, pal. You're one of the best channels I've ever seen in this site.
Just one thought. All of my life I have believed that A NIGHT TO REMEMBER is the best book to start learning about the TITANIC! Sure there were errors, but you have to remember that Walter Lord wrote it thirty years before they found the ship! Walter wrote a sequel showing where was wrong! I also remember that THE TITANIC was and still is the greatest WHAT IF story ever. I do we enjoy watching your CZcams channel. I'm almost 75, and I still find new things to be astounded at.
Radios are a little different than a computer, you essentially have to know how a radio functions in order to use it. And radios are FAR more simple than even the simplest computers.
At least having a working radio did helped with the rescuing of the Titanic survivors, even though it was minimal but significant. Otherwise, the situation would've been even worst if the radio was broken. Without it, the Carpathia would've not come and the survivors would've all frozen to death.
Tru dat
Bear in mind the purpose of this presentation. The potential that if the radio was broken the chain of events leading to the collision is broken and the accident doesn't happen.
One story I’d like to hear is the story of the man who spotted the iceberg. I know a little of his story. I know he blamed himself for the deaths but I have always believed that there was nothing he could have done.
You are right - Frederick Fleet was the lookout who spotted the iceberg. He had no binoculars and so his vision was limited to his eyes. Not his fault, but the fault of the officers who never considered this to be a major problem.
@@johnking5174 Binoculars wouldn't have really helped on a moonless night because the iceberg wouldn't have been reflecting any light to make it noticeable. The best way to spot bergs on a night like the one she sank was to look at the horizon and spot the silhouette of the berg in the stars on the horizon
This was a really educative video Sam! I did loved it ;)
Love this!!! I've gone through all your videos and having to go to other youtube channels for titanic stuff and your content is just a grade above!! Awesome job
You missed your shout out didn’t you. Your comment gave me the idea for this video
@@HistoricTravels no haha I did see it, although I made this comment before I saw it. I shared it with all my friends and said my fave titanic youtuber shouted me out 🤣
@@HistoricTravels What if the Titanic striked the iceberg and sunk during daytime?
@@HistoricTravels I believe the Parisian was 45 to 50 miles away, same thing with antillian, they were 50 miles away and the bresula was about 40 miles from the titanic so they could of gotten the distress call from the emergency set.
@@HistoricTravelshere’s a hypothetical question let’s say titantic happen to have 2 men from the present day with a speedboat to shoot to the Californian ship given during the sinking and in the ice field do you think they would of been within distance to go to and fro saving all the people on the titanic?? I’m curious wondering
Thanks for all the videos bud! I love steamers!
I already had your first theory in mind when you started the scenario, as I already figured without the communication with Cape Race, ice warnings, especially from Californian, would have gotten more attention, mostly out of sheer boredom. I also think it might be possible the Californian’s wireless operator might have stuck around a bit after his shift to hear the ice chatter before turning in, allowing that ship to be aware of a distress did go out.
Range would be odder than you think. We all know that while the regular Marconi had a long range, that night signals exceeded that range extensively due to the oddly calm weather conditions that night. Signals travelled so far that there were amateurs picking up the CQD from the British Isles.
I would think the emergency set would experience a similar phenomenon, as it might pick up and transmit to ships slightly farther than the projected 50 mile range. That would definitely put it within range of Mount Temple and Carpathia. I do feel they would still be more aware of ice warnings, that Smith would have taken the same action, and events would have played out nearly the same. But that chance of whether the wireless operator of Californian decided to stick around out of boredom or curiosity in the same manner as that of the wireless operator of the Carpathia….perhaps the loss of life that evening could have been minimized.
“Say, Old Man, quiet tonight. And more sign of that ice everyone’s been talking about?”
Those radio operators should have had shifts. That way someone would always be at the radio. Understandably, the California had limited crew at the time.
There wasn't a law for that back then. It took the Titanic disaster to make that law
All radio operators were members of the Marconi Company, not their respective shipping line. Big ships could afford two operators, but smaller ships could only afford one.
As usual, another brilliant "what if" and a totally my favourite one so far
Another great video. I finally subscribed. Might as well bc l watch them all! I feel so sorry for the Carpathians's Captain. Even though he tried to clear his name, deep in his heart he knows. If he had gotten himself out of bed and investigated, just maybe......A sad situation.
At the time period, would the captain change the speed/heading of the ship knowing the operators switched to the backup system and that it can't transmit as far? Or would they have not cared?
I started watching your videos a few days ago and I'm still watching them lol. Awesome job! I've really learned a lot from your videos about the titanic and the other shipwrecks. I also like your 'what if' videos. Keep up the good work!
Hi, thanks for a good video. Just some extra thoughts.
I know that the backup wireless on Titanic had a power of 1.5 kW (the main transmitter had 5 kW), which was a standard power of the device at the time. Most ships had transmitter of the same power (1.5kW), including the nearby placed Californian, Carpathia and Mount Temple. I think that the reach of this wireless set was far greater than 50 miles, especially at night. We know that Mount Temple's operator Jack Durrant testified in front of the US Inquiry that its reach was 150 miles by day and 200 miles at night. Similarly, we know that ships with this power of wireless (also Frankfurt and Birma) easily communicated with other ships and Titanic at distances far exceeding 50 miles. We know that Carpathia with this power of wireless was easily heard by both Titanic and Mount Temple. Similarly, Virginian could communicate both with Titanic and was heard by Cape Race, with distance between Titanic and Cape Race being way more than 300 miles. So my question is, why do you think that Titanic's backup set with 1.5 kW, the same power as had by ships around, would have such short reach? Was it an older model than the others?
My second thought about Titanic's radio not working at all (not even the backup one) would possibly improve Titanic survivors' chances. Why? Because had captain Smith been told at 12.25am that he couldn't send any wireless distress message, maybe he would have done what he was supposed to do in the first place, which is to use the proper distress signalling. At the time, besides lighting fires and shooting from cannons (obviously not applicable on Titanic), it was in the first place firing of distress rockets. In reality the first rocket went up at about 12.47am, some twenty minutes after the first wireless call and by that time it was quite late, they were supposed to be launched before the wireless went out. We know that Captain Lord on Californian queried officer Stone at about 12.47am, whether there was anything about the ship that stopped nearby (Titanic). Had captain Smith of Titanic, after failing to send wireless distress calls, instead ordered rockets to be fired earlier, with the first one going up at say 12.30am, they too might have been seen earlier and captain Lord's reaction to them, since he personally requested the information, might too have been different as well. But that's just a big what if.
The third thought about Titanic sending no wireless calls at all (or doing so but not being heard by anybody), would be that in such case, believe it or not, the survivors might have been found by Californian itself. Why? The reason is lifeboat no. 8. We know that the crew of this lifeboat, after Titanic's sinking at 2.20am, started rowing towards Californian. Assuming the distance of 13-15 miles (Sam Halpern et al provide probably the best calculations on this) and a speed of a boat of say 1.5 to 2 knots, by the time Californian started crossing the icefield at about 6am, they might get some 5.25 to 7 miles closer. At this distance the lifeboat might be spotted by Californian, especially if they tried to attract attention (attaching coloured stuff to raised oars, burning fire etc.). The second reason is that Chief Officer Stewart of Californian, puzzled by what he learned about the rockets, was scanning the horizon after 4am. Had he done it later again, he might have indeed spot the lonely lifeboat no. 8.
But that's enough from me. Thanks again for your videos.
My personal feeling is the outcome would've been the same. With the belief the ship was unsinkable and the pressure to make it to New York early to impress, no one seemed too worried about icebergs enough to take any of the warnings seriously. Had the Californian's message made it to the bridge, it likely would've been brushed off like the rest.
Unfortunately Phillip didn't put iceberg warnings as priority. He just set them aside, so it didn't make it to the bridge. They put sending passenger messages as priority because that is what they were paid and Phillip was working a backlog that had accumulated while the wireless was down
I’ve been fascinated with the Titanic since I was a child. Here’s an idea for a new video or maybe series. I’d love to learn more about the lives of some of the passengers and crew on board. Especially the owner of the Titanic Bruce Ismay. Absolutely love your videos and have learnt so much more about the Titanic thanks to them. Keep them coming!
I have an idea for a new video you could do. Maybe you could talk about what happened to the USS Maine and how it exploded.
Video idea : The difference between summer and winter uniforms
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I love your Titanic what if videos, Sam! This one is the best so far; but I was wondering about a what if video on the postman and the mail room on the ship. I haven’t heard anything about this yet.
I just found your channel and I am going through all the videos (subscribed!). In one video you mentioned podcasts about that Titanic. What podcasts do you recommend? Thank you for the great videos and information.
Great video as always! Random thought, I dont know if you have mentioned it in the past. But is it documented that someone really said 'Not even God can sink this ship' or was it just one of those quotes from the 1997 movie
The "Carpathia" wasn't 58 miles away but probably around 50 miles, perhaps a little less. Titanic gave the wrong position twice (the first calculated by Captain Smith and then another by 4th officer Boxhall). Titanic's wreck is located 13 miles east of the CQD-position and she drifted to the south after shutting down her engines. "Carpathia" was luckily along the course and met up with the lifeboats earlier than she would've had the CQD-position been correct. This made Rostron overestimate the speed that Carpathia held on her way to the rescue and Rostron apparently took the position for granted. The CQD-position was questioned already in 1912 by the commander of the "Mount Temple" as it placed Titanic west of the large ice-field which was in the Titanic's track (and which the "Californian" traversed on her way to the erroneous CQD-position). No shadow on Rostron of course.
I agree with this theory Sam! This is feasible for sure!
The 6 dislikes are from certified Marconi wireless technicians
Note: I hvent watch the vid fully yet. But reading the title vid makes my spine quivering in curiosity.
Could you imagined how doomed their situation is when the ship was sinking and no one knows about it. And the boat survivors are also doomed to their fate.
Surviving one death to another.
Damn, that's terrifying. Looking forward to this episode.
"Arrogant bastard . . . I try to warn him about the ice, and he tells me to shut up . . ."
I know lost of titanic - that came from your reccomendatiom of on a sea of glass
The real question is what if the radio was not repaired, and no distress call was received by anyone, and the ship just disappeared. People waiting in New York scratching their heads wondering what happened, why no messages, no one would know where the lifeboats were, they would have all disappeared. Perhaps exactly how Bermuda Triangle disappearance stories happen. That scenario is to me is the scariest what if.
Nice video as always Sam 👍
Hey Sam, just wanted to say I really do enjoy your videos, especially your Titanic videos. I was wondering, since you've touched on the topic of the Titanic's wireless radio in this video, could you do a video sometime talking about Titanic's engine order telegraphs and how they played a role in the Titanic disaster? I hear a lot of different stories about how the telegraphs were set to "Full Astern" right before the collision (which has been up for debate at least from what I've heard over the years,) so I thought that could be an interesting topic to cover in a future video whenever you do get the chance. Thanks so much for the awesome content!!
Titanic would have her own segment in an episode of Unsolved Mysteries.
this is so interesting i love the theories you made
i've pondered this for a few years since i found out that the radio was broken the night before the sinking, if jack phillips and harold bride had not fixed the radio before the sinking, i think that the titanic would not be able to have reached carpathia, the californian, could have responded if jack wasn't rude to the operator on that ship, there would be a lot more deaths partly because the people would be drifting in lifeboats for far longer than a few hours, as for the ship, it could be a bermuda triangle phenomenon, without the coordinates, it would have been harder for ballard to find the wreck by 1985
Video suggestion: How would history change if titanic never sank?
I’d love to see your take on the USS Indianapolis.
Definitely a story that needs more attention.
Can you do a video on the Korean Sewol ferry disaster? Just like the Costa Concordia, they were told to stay put even while the ship had listed completely onto its side. I’d like to hear your retelling of it as I felt the same anger you were feeling when you were explaining what happened to the Costa Concordia
The radio of ghostship Mv Joyita had limited range of about 3.2 km because of a break in antenna cable. All pasengers and crew vanish. The ship was found floating a month later empty.
Your videos are incredible! You always bring us interesting and impressive informations!
What would have happened if they blasted a big hole in the rear most compartment of the ship as it was sinking? Would the extra weight in the back have been enough to stop the bow from dipping far enough for the water to go over the bulkheads?
It's an interesting thoery, but I'm not sure if the Titanic would of been save if the main radio wasn't repaird. Their were plenty of warnings that were sent prior to the night of the 14, but many of them were ignored by the officers on duty. Even if Jack had receive the warning from the Californian, their was no garantee that officer Murdock, who was in charge on deck at the time, would of taking it seriously and slowed down or stopped the ship.
yes, there were ice warnings given to the bridge throughout the day so the captain knew of them and should have slowed the ship down. The fault lies really with the captain, he is in charge of his ship. Phillips must have thought that the captain would act on his ice warnings. The ship was going too fast. Once messages are relayed it was up to the bridge to act upon the warnings. The fact that Lightoller said Phillips put the message under a paperweight from the mesaba is a mistake as Phillips was not on the same lifeboat as Lightoller but Bride was and he knew Phillips was not on the same lifeboat. Lightoller erred therefore, thinking that Phillips was on the same lifeboat, it was Bride who was with him so Phillips could not have told him that he put a message under a paperweight. Bride never saw Phillips after they left the wireless room except when Bride believes he may have seen him lying in a collapsible as he was climbing onto the Carpathia, unfortunatley, Phillips if it was Phillips that Bride saw was deceased. Nobody really knows what happened to Phillips after leaving the wireless room, but Bride knew he was not on the same lifeboat as himself and Lightoller. Good on those two Wireless operators for mending the radio, they saved a lot of lives. I expect so many ice warning were given before the ship struck the iceberg that the wireless men expected the Bridge including the captain to act upon their messages.
all I have to say is... there was room for both of you on that door Rose!
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Today they're diving down to the Estonia to investigate the newly discovered hole in the hull. Kinda hyped what they'll find. I mentioned this during the livestream and thought i'd let you know Sam
It’s almost like everything was set up for titanic to sink, as though god himself was trying to sink the ship. Reminds me of the show 11.22.63 when he tries to change the past but the past pushes back. Weird…
Mayb sometime you can do review over one of the many Titanic documentaries and tell us your personal thoughts on it. Example reviewing over the Titanic drained documentation. Great content. Keep it up.
Video idea for you: Would a lifeboat drill earlier in the voyage have helped save more lives particularly in the third class the night of the sinking?
You should do what happen when the funnels fell for people get sucked into the titanic
Once I read the title, you said just about everything I thought of. You should do a part 2 to this about how if the Titanic survived of how that would have prolonged the safety measures to come about. You could include the safety measures that saved other ships afterwards and how that could have changed things. Maybe even speculate on how long or what level of disaster needed to happen before maritime leaders decided, or were forced to make a change.
Intresting topic for episode: the story of HAPAG Liners trio (Imperator, Bismarck and Vaterland). They were bigger and more luxorious than Olympic class and they entered service right after Olympic class, outclassing it right in 1913. Despite that they seem to be forgotten - strange for a biggest and most luxurious class of liners in the world from 1913 up to completing Normandie and Queen Mary in 1935/37, flying jacks of German Empire, Great Britain and United States during their long and succesful carrer
Hey sam, is it possible for you do a video on the MV Dona Paz, it often referred to as Asias Titanic.
Do a video on how the Titanic's center prop was 3 bladed and not 4 like Olympic's prop. Research into this subject was very interesting. Then led to me researching how sea water is kept out of the ship around the driveshafts. The sealed shaft tunnels were likely the primary reason the stern had imploded like it did. The technology used to seal the shafts is amazing for its time.
Thanks Sam!! My 11th birthday was yesterday and this is like my late birthday gift!! Keep it up👏🏾👏🏾🥳🥳
Happy birthday!!
Thanks Sam :D😁
@@HistoricTravels thank you I have no idea where I would get all these cool facts from!!
Video Idea: Do a video in which you explore scenes in movies about Titanic such as TITANIC 1997, A Night To Remember 1958, and Titanic 1953 and one thing I highly want you to do in this video (If you make it) is and this is actually showcased in the 1953 Titanic film that when the Band starts playing Nearer My God To Thee in this film the passengers and crew remaining on Titanic sing the song together as a choir, now this is my question did it happen or not ?
This guy is basically the reviewbrah of ships lmao
Can I ask, are you from NC? Your accent sounds like home. Makes your videos even better!
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@@HistoricTravels Hi from the United Kingdom. I am so impressed with your content. Truly amazing work. I have studied Titanic since 1996 - it was part of my history degree at university. Truly amazing research you have done. Love the Titanic story as there is so much to dig deep into it. There are so many things you can make videos about on this event. Well Done.
Also possible , extending your hypothesis, that if Titanic had not been working Cape Race , and thus Jack Philips had not had the curt exchange with the Californian WT officer , that he might not have shut down for the night when he did , and Californian might then have heard the distress call when it did
I really Your what if ideas! When I see them I am like hey ya? What if.......... keep it up man good mix of clips and you talking 👍🏻Cheers
I always enjoy your videos, Sam!
Spark gap was so easy to repair compared to radios 5 years later. Not sure what the receiver was but all were super simple too.
A big endeavor would be a what if video on what if Titanic struck the iceberg head on and how history would have changed if she never sank and naval regulations were never affected.
I love your what ifs. The ideas are very interesting
I just feel Jack Phillips would have been so guilty that he shut out the Carpathia thst he could not be saved.
Video idea what if the titanic got stuck on the ice burg or what if the reverse of the engines on titanic made the sinking worse
Great video Sam 😁