I got a 83 Chevy c20 has a 350HD/700r4 has long tubes headers sounds like a monster and when I floor it I definitely get better power. I've been told short headers will help how and torque for towing and street day to day commute long tube for racing
Performance is the reason that you would be installing headers,so it makes sense to install the components that will gain the most power. Unless you’re restricted by emissions factors, or you are concerned about having to make additional modifications to make long tubes fit, go with the long tubes. Also remember it’s cheaper to do it once. Buyers remorse can be expensive.
I’ve had a few Fox with exhaust configurations. Mac catback and h pipe, bassani 3” behind 900 hp, flowmaster etc. but my favorite sound was my friend’s basically stock ‘89 with Borla.
So basically long tube headers are a little louder and make more top end power but are more raspy. Shorty headers are a direct replacement to the stock manifold and make more low end power power but don't sound as loud or raspy. That seems to be the case.
Long tubes has a more deeper roaring Lion sound. I'm switching mine out from short tube to long tube. My mechanic said the only drawback for long tube headers is they sit lower to the ground. But that's fine with me because I'll mostly be driving on the highway because I use my Stang for a cruising car.
@@geraldgaddy367 long tubes I've been told are more for engines with higher rpm short tube is better for street day to day. If you have a truck with truck engine shorty better for towing
At WOT longtubes are louder. They do seem quieter on idle though. My truck had corsa and longtubes. On idle and cruising it was WAY quieter than guys with stock manifolds and flowmasters or straight pipes. On WOT i drown them out with a pure race track sound while they make the sound of a straight piped tractor or something slow lol
As in everyday driving, the shorties should have more torque, not everyone runs WOT all the time. What have you found better for daily use if you tried both doing so? Thanks. Edit: I mean more torque at lower rpm’s. From what I been reading anyways.
I had long on my 88 Thunderbird with a 347 Stroker. Header burned up 3 starters. Had to remove header to get starter out. Header also blocked transmission from being removed. I went to short. Wasted $700 on the Hedman long headers. Beat them up to.
I took my headmen longtubes off of my 383w and went with shorties. Car is much easier to work on without the shorties. I'm sure I lost some topend power. But, eh whatever.
speed bumps arent a problem... they sit in the same area as your old mid pipe... the problem is you'd have to loosen your motor mounts to lift the motor enough to get them in... and it makes working on your car later down the road a little more difficult
I rather put long tubes on a truck not a car, I live I'm michigan long tube wouldn't last long on these streets I'm going shorty on my 06 dodge charger
I have long tubes right now on my 87 gt and it’s on stock ride height and scares me as it is now. I’m gonna put motor mounts on it this weekend if your interested in the difference my insta is @jackie_mfn_moreland
Thanks for the video guys. I watched the x vs h pipe one u did also. I didnt hear much sound difference in the headers like I did the mid pipe. Wonder which makes better power. I know and u could tell by the video on the mid pipes both sound and power. With the h pipe you could hear that old school push rod muscle sound deeper more aggressive and you could tell car was pulling harder bc the h makes better torque. What did yall feel on the headers seemed like on the take off the shorties left hander than the long tubes
Charles Greer supposedly long tubes get more hp up top but give up tq,shorties are the opposite.but then there’s equal length vs unequal length shorties lol.Supposedly equal length give a few more hp but make the engine bay tighter as well,especially on the passenger side..I’ve only seen them on cars with all of the smog pump plumbing removed
The main sound difference is at the engine compartment. Long tube have more ecoing noise from the long tubes, where the short tubes are quieter in the engine bay. You can also hear long tube headers ecoig off things as you drive by, and there more noticeable slow idling through a parking lot ecoing off cars. I am about th switch to short tube on my cleveland. As far as sound goes they sound better for street rods, long tube are better for race track and top of the RPM range. On the dyno the shortys will produce more torque and mid range, long tube will have better top end HP. You only see top end HP for a sec, right before you change gears. So for N/A cars short might even be faster.
Depends on your setup. For example, i have a 4000rpm stall. In a race situation, i would never feel any low end loss, because my engine goes from idle to 4k instantly. And it stays in upper rpms so i get to reap the benefits of the longtubes the entire time, being that my rpms dont drop. Racing is more than throwinf parts together. I did alot of calculating for my truck. My stall speed is also my engines peak tq rpm. And its also about 1000rpm after my cam starts coming alive. So when i floor it i am in the optimal rpm range every time no matter what.
The sound is compressed because of the consumer camera and also extra compressed for youtube. If he was to record this with the Sennheiser MKH416 Super Cardioid Condenser Microphone, I bet there will be a huge difference in sound. Uploading anything on youtube will compressed and destort the hell out of the sound.
Longtubes increase horsepower by scavenging , that's why they were invented. Shorty's are too short to do it right but they help give less restricted airflow than stock manifolds.
Been around fox mustangs since 1990. Put shorties on my dad's car and my white car back in the '90s. Last year I picked up a black 1990 gt that has long tubes on it. They are completely amazing! Really kicking myself that I didn't put long tubes on my white gt years ago. Planning on getting long tubes for my dad's car this year. The sound of long tubes just can not be beat! Good video by the way.
You probably never re-bought short tube after that haha....I do short tube to long tube swap a few time on those 302 and each time same result....The longtube have better sound and make more power and torque!
To be honest at 60 miles per hour they both sound the same actually the short e sound even better in conservative at 60 miles per hour if you want a conservative sound that's in between be a bad boy in a mild loudness the shortest will be for you and of course you want to be a badass long I think this is Matt a preference at this point time space and money Shorty's I'm told they're easy to get into from the top long at the bottom and your stock pipes don't fit Shorty's do
BBK but I open the collect to 2.5in because from the box the bbk longtube have appro. 2.20in collector and the short tube bbk are close to 2.5 collector
The notch with long tubes has a custom or an aftermarket cam. I can tell without a shadow of doubt. I had a 93 GT for years that was setup first with bbk shorty headers, then went to bbk ceramic long tubes, bbk off road h-pipe, and mac exhaust. stage 2 trick flow cam.. also had aluminum TW heads, street heat upper/lower etc.
Chevy guy speaking. Ford 302 is simply the best sounding V8, properly exhausted.
As a young kid I always knew the sound of a 5.0 mustang before I even knew anything about cars.
Ooooh no
forgot about small block mopar.
Frigglebiscuit not to mention a big block mopar
Yea, there is nothing like a Proper 5.0 ford sound.
guys I am stoned as fuck right now and this video is damn near like being in heaven to me lol
Shorties sound good, long tubes sound better
I got a 83 Chevy c20 has a 350HD/700r4 has long tubes headers sounds like a monster and when I floor it I definitely get better power. I've been told short headers will help how and torque for towing and street day to day commute long tube for racing
Agreed
I like the uneven shorties.
That notch sounds good and it looks good
Performance is the reason that you would be installing headers,so it makes sense to install the components that will gain the most power. Unless you’re restricted by emissions factors, or you are concerned about having to make additional modifications to make long tubes fit, go with the long tubes. Also remember it’s cheaper to do it once. Buyers remorse can be expensive.
Shorty's sound smoother and just cleaner overall especially wot.
Long tubes are well worth it. No more drone with long tubes. Sounds sweeter.
I’ve had a few Fox with exhaust configurations. Mac catback and h pipe, bassani 3” behind 900 hp, flowmaster etc. but my favorite sound was my friend’s basically stock ‘89 with Borla.
Agreed, look at my video, I had a white fox video with borla exhaust...It's sounds really awesome.
The other issue with long tubes is ground clearance. They tend to hang down. Mine are too low. They hit speed bumps.
Im not even that low and i have to be careful alot of the time
My long tubes tuck up nice and snug. No issues here.
Long or short ,,, this is a very nice Mustang !!
So basically long tube headers are a little louder and make more top end power but are more raspy. Shorty headers are a direct replacement to the stock manifold and make more low end power power but don't sound as loud or raspy. That seems to be the case.
Not really, on those sbf 302 normally longtube give a lot of low end torque vs the shorty headers
@@The44445544 Well yea I'm sure there are exceptions but as a general rule of thumb, I think i was pretty accurate
long tubes sound meaner
Long tubes has a more deeper roaring Lion sound. I'm switching mine out from short tube to long tube. My mechanic said the only drawback for long tube headers is they sit lower to the ground. But that's fine with me because I'll mostly be driving on the highway because I use my Stang for a cruising car.
Shadowwavepool7 Long tubes makes the engine sound broken.
Gerald Gaddy he’s wrong. Certainly more drawbacks than that.
@@geraldgaddy367 long tubes I've been told are more for engines with higher rpm short tube is better for street day to day. If you have a truck with truck engine shorty better for towing
beautiful car. you should be proud
On other videos I read comments saying shorties are louder then longtubes LOL
They are louder. Just like stock exhaust manifolds are louder than long tubes. Doesnt mean they sound better
Kaiser I gave a 12 5.0 and with stock manifolds it sounded good but I added longtubes and completely changed the sound ! They’re way louder!
Long tubes are always louder
At WOT longtubes are louder. They do seem quieter on idle though. My truck had corsa and longtubes. On idle and cruising it was WAY quieter than guys with stock manifolds and flowmasters or straight pipes. On WOT i drown them out with a pure race track sound while they make the sound of a straight piped tractor or something slow lol
Short tubes for me
Same! More old school sound.
As in everyday driving, the shorties should have more torque, not everyone runs WOT all the time. What have you found better for daily use if you tried both doing so? Thanks.
Edit: I mean more torque at lower rpm’s. From what I been reading anyways.
In fact, Longtube have more low end torque than the shorties.
Watch Richard Holdeners video comparing long Vs short, good power and torque gains down low with long tubes.
And that’s why I bought long tube.
That fox is clean
I had long on my 88 Thunderbird with a 347 Stroker. Header burned up 3 starters. Had to remove header to get starter out. Header also blocked transmission from being removed. I went to short. Wasted $700 on the Hedman long headers. Beat them up to.
I took my headmen longtubes off of my 383w and went with shorties. Car is much easier to work on without the shorties. I'm sure I lost some topend power. But, eh whatever.
yep, i paid 600 bucks for some mopar headers, and i wish i had gone with shorties. sometimes it just isnt worth it.
Are the long tube headers 1 3/4 or 1 5/8?
sounds close
What is the biggest issue with long tubes such as fitment, etc? Are speed bumps a problem? Thanks!
speed bumps arent a problem... they sit in the same area as your old mid pipe... the problem is you'd have to loosen your motor mounts to lift the motor enough to get them in... and it makes working on your car later down the road a little more difficult
speed bumps,exhaust hanging low,fitment,clearance etc etc,long tubes are better performance but more of a pita
@@jeremyconrad9183 Yeah, long tubes were a nightmare.
I had to lift the motor up a few inches, remove the steering shaft and my cold air intake to install BBK longtubes on my '86.
I rather put long tubes on a truck not a car, I live I'm michigan long tube wouldn't last long on these streets I'm going shorty on my 06 dodge charger
PawlDunken why not too many cops on the look out ?
@@joseluisvargas8234 potholes and craters lol
@@joseluisvargas8234 motor pothole city lol
On a truck wouldn’t u want shorts for low end torque? Seems backwards from what I been learning?
@@Gen01Lee you always want long tubes if you can.
Would there be an issue if I lower my fox with long tubes on
1991 foxbody yea I heard there’s low key an issue because they hang lower than stock or shortys
I have long tubes right now on my 87 gt and it’s on stock ride height and scares me as it is now. I’m gonna put motor mounts on it this weekend if your interested in the difference my insta is @jackie_mfn_moreland
Thanks for the video guys. I watched the x vs h pipe one u did also. I didnt hear much sound difference in the headers like I did the mid pipe. Wonder which makes better power. I know and u could tell by the video on the mid pipes both sound and power. With the h pipe you could hear that old school push rod muscle sound deeper more aggressive and you could tell car was pulling harder bc the h makes better torque. What did yall feel on the headers seemed like on the take off the shorties left hander than the long tubes
Charles Greer supposedly long tubes get more hp up top but give up tq,shorties are the opposite.but then there’s equal length vs unequal length shorties lol.Supposedly equal length give a few more hp but make the engine bay tighter as well,especially on the passenger side..I’ve only seen them on cars with all of the smog pump plumbing removed
Those horsepower change with long one ???
For some one who cant change gears right car sounds great
What cam are you running?
Anderson cam with the longtube and F303 with the short tube
Shorties all the way
The main sound difference is at the engine compartment. Long tube have more ecoing noise from the long tubes, where the short tubes are quieter in the engine bay. You can also hear long tube headers ecoig off things as you drive by, and there more noticeable slow idling through a parking lot ecoing off cars. I am about th switch to short tube on my cleveland. As far as sound goes they sound better for street rods, long tube are better for race track and top of the RPM range. On the dyno the shortys will produce more torque and mid range, long tube will have better top end HP. You only see top end HP for a sec, right before you change gears. So for N/A cars short might even be faster.
Not really, on those sbf 302 normally longtube give a lot of low end torque vs the shorty headers
@@The44445544 not according to my personal dyno results years ago.
Too bad I don't have those now.
Depends on your setup. For example, i have a 4000rpm stall. In a race situation, i would never feel any low end loss, because my engine goes from idle to 4k instantly. And it stays in upper rpms so i get to reap the benefits of the longtubes the entire time, being that my rpms dont drop. Racing is more than throwinf parts together. I did alot of calculating for my truck. My stall speed is also my engines peak tq rpm. And its also about 1000rpm after my cam starts coming alive. So when i floor it i am in the optimal rpm range every time no matter what.
Nice video bro
302 small block?
Looking for one of them
1 5/8 or 1 3/4??
not a big difference ...I stay with shortys...
The sound is compressed because of the consumer camera and also extra compressed for youtube. If he was to record this with the Sennheiser MKH416 Super Cardioid Condenser Microphone, I bet there will be a huge difference in sound. Uploading anything on youtube will compressed and destort the hell out of the sound.
Longtubes increase horsepower by scavenging , that's why they were invented. Shorty's are too short to do it right but they help give less restricted airflow than stock manifolds.
I can hear the difference its very distinct even with the audio compression. Lol.
Nice video
Hello old friend
What exhaust are you running ?
look at the description under the video….
so witch ones r better
longtube all the way. more low end torque and same top end
Been around fox mustangs since 1990. Put shorties on my dad's car and my white car back in the '90s. Last year I picked up a black 1990 gt that has long tubes on it. They are completely amazing! Really kicking myself that I didn't put long tubes on my white gt years ago. Planning on getting long tubes for my dad's car this year. The sound of long tubes just can not be beat! Good video by the way.
You probably never re-bought short tube after that haha....I do short tube to long tube swap a few time on those 302 and each time same result....The longtube have better sound and make more power and torque!
I did notice a better sound on the shorties at cruising at 60mph according to this video...
Longtube 😎
To be honest at 60 miles per hour they both sound the same actually the short e sound even better in conservative at 60 miles per hour if you want a conservative sound that's in between be a bad boy in a mild loudness the shortest will be for you and of course you want to be a badass long I think this is Matt a preference at this point time space and money Shorty's I'm told they're easy to get into from the top long at the bottom and your stock pipes don't fit Shorty's do
bbk or mac's?
BBK but I open the collect to 2.5in because from the box the bbk longtube have appro. 2.20in collector and the short tube bbk are close to 2.5 collector
Francisco Huerta bbk, mac is garbage
Hi from Tijuana Bc Mexico , los header's Largo's mas mejor
YOU SHOULD HAVE PUT THAT CAMERA ON A TRI-POD
Does this car have a stock cam?
The notch with long tubes has a custom or an aftermarket cam. I can tell without a shadow of doubt. I had a 93 GT for years that was setup first with bbk shorty headers, then went to bbk ceramic long tubes, bbk off road h-pipe, and mac exhaust. stage 2 trick flow cam.. also had aluminum TW heads, street heat upper/lower etc.
Run in front of car get tired, run behind car get exhausted
k tankz
don't see much of a difference, i would go with long tubes i bet you can run more timing
Long tubes are more scandalous