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  • čas přidán 14. 08. 2024
  • This is the perfect video if you are planning a visit to Linear Fisheries. We had never been until recently so we decided to record this video to help any new folk wanting to visit.
    We fished brasenose 2 but there are lots of other lakes such as brasenose 1, st Johns or oxlease so the options are plentiful.
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Komentáře • 170

  • @AnAverageAngler
    @AnAverageAngler Před 6 měsíci +10

    A good insight to what sounds like hell to me. I’m sure this will save a lot of people a wasted (expensive) trip. Not for me personally

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Yup absolutely fair and not for everyone. Only for us occasionally really

  • @Jenkzzyy
    @Jenkzzyy Před 5 měsíci +2

    Worth adding, always check the official page to see what lakes have exclusive bookings. If one is shut the others will fill quicker. Best bet is a Sunday on a week that doesn't have an exclusive on the complex. You can generally have decent wander arround and find some fish on one of the lakes. I understand not everyone can fish a Sunday/Wed but if i'm making the trip, I'll use annual leave and it's a much more enjoyable experience.

  • @theelgrandgrandtour1455
    @theelgrandgrandtour1455 Před 6 měsíci +10

    Sounds like fishing Wars not my bag at all I go for the social and to get away from the everyday madness so I'll give that one a swerve me thinks

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      Absolutely fair mate, defo not for some people 😊

  • @beckett9631
    @beckett9631 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Glad you did this video always had impressions that this is what it’s like, for that price you’d expect better facilities, Cromwell lakes have a toilet, shower and a fully equipped kitchen and it’s spotless…

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      Cromwell is somewhere we need to visit tbf. Heard loads of good stuff about it 👌

    • @beckett9631
      @beckett9631 Před 6 měsíci

      @@FreshFishing you can fish Cromwell pool with the small cabin and a little lake for 200 for the weekend which is basically same price as linear😂

  • @jimdean206
    @jimdean206 Před 6 měsíci +3

    Strange how a unnamed lad from fox always rocks up and best pegs are always free 😂😂😂😂

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      😂😂😂

    • @lancemalton1505
      @lancemalton1505 Před 6 měsíci +1

      Isn't he korda now ?

    • @jimdean206
      @jimdean206 Před 6 měsíci

      @@lancemalton1505 yea but probably 99% of his vids are fox, massive move that to me in fishing big wigs

    • @walkaz
      @walkaz Před 6 měsíci

      How many times can you watch one guy fish the same lake for 10 years

    • @4sythorder664
      @4sythorder664 Před 6 měsíci

      he only lives 2 min away he always pops down and ask people when they are leaving he a top guy he was helping me out one day telling me where the fish are and best approach

  • @kevinhall7347
    @kevinhall7347 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Thanks for the insight. I was thinking of actrip there at some point but I won't be rushing now.

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      We don’t want to put people off going but good to know if it’s not your kind of scene

  • @mickthompson9589
    @mickthompson9589 Před 6 měsíci

    Great info guys. New to all this and struggle to understand certain aspects of fishing due to anxiety. Your content is real and all enjoyable thank keep it up

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Love comment to read mate. Hit us up on socials if you want to know anything else.

  • @gwl78
    @gwl78 Před 6 měsíci +5

    My idea of fishing hell lol

  • @tommylewis8042
    @tommylewis8042 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Is it really that good here 😂 i see alot of videos on this fishery and every other video makes you wanna book it asap then you see how it really is with a genuine video i personally go fishing like many for the peace and madness from home life seeing what really goes on puts me off wanting to try new places in general but good luck to who ever this benefits

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Yeah think it all depends on what you want from your fishing. Defo a bit of a rat race

  • @johnhodges6731
    @johnhodges6731 Před 6 měsíci

    Thanks for the insight its so good to hear an honest opinion as its not the sort of fishing I enjoy , mad dash to find a swim .
    Keep up the good work lads and hope you catch

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Thanks John that’s really appreciated

  • @rossbkr1
    @rossbkr1 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Very good insight, found exactly the same issues when I went, fished B2, I think we managed to get on peg 26? (Opposite the point) which was a double, car was right next to us, had a few bites upto 31 over 48 hours.. did enjoy it, is worth going.. but I think I’d try going later next time to avoid the free for all in the morning. Found we needed to check rigs hourly due to the crays… And yes we had a take away delivered to our swim, I think it was peppers.. wasn’t too bad either.

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Sounds like you had a decent experience tbf mate

    • @rossbkr1
      @rossbkr1 Před 6 měsíci

      On the whole yes! Will be returning at some point soon.

  • @chrislee1099
    @chrislee1099 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Nice vid , been the same for years, gets worse when the lakes are shut for compos, I always turn up Sunday dinner time hopefully when people are packing up, and if you want food delivered Google Witney takeaways
    Toilets have always been shit , best time is in the week when they just been emptied,
    P.s some great fish in there
    Plenty of other lakes in the area 😊

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 5 měsíci

      Cheers Chris. We’ll likely be back for another visit 😏 like you say some cracking fish in those lakes

  • @seancoaten5273
    @seancoaten5273 Před 5 měsíci

    As most of the other comments say "i will not be going here"(even though it's on my bucket list for carp fishing)not just because of price and the early morning carp wars ... Never even known about the lobster size crayfish!!! Thanks lads really good information. 👍

  • @kevinmurphy1457
    @kevinmurphy1457 Před 6 měsíci

    Great info for newbies
    I personally go up there on Sunday afternoon and get a good choice of swims
    If i did that 10 years ago we would be only anglers on the lake but got a bit busier nowadays.
    Still my favourite venue and caught some lovely fish there.
    Cheers

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Yeah can imagine turning up on a Sunday is a decent shout mate. What’s biggest you had out?

    • @kevinmurphy1457
      @kevinmurphy1457 Před 6 měsíci

      Bigest I've caught is 34lb ,I've yet to have a 40lb but one day.

  • @Thecraftycarper71
    @Thecraftycarper71 Před 6 měsíci

    I love to fish public lakes and canals surprisingly they can be a lot tidier and less busy than these types of waters

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      Public lakes in the uk?

    • @Thecraftycarper71
      @Thecraftycarper71 Před 6 měsíci

      @@FreshFishing free to fish I’m at one now till Friday biggest I had out so far 27 not many fish it really,canal at back of this lake and I’ve had carp to 32 out of that one too

  • @robbiesykes2672
    @robbiesykes2672 Před 6 měsíci

    Funny looking at the back of my own car 😂😂 fair play bois I drove round 3 lakes and gave up and fished somewhere else in the end hope you caught 🎣

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      😂😂😂 were you in the queue in the morning pal?

  • @mrjoker2749
    @mrjoker2749 Před 6 měsíci

    Nice place+lovely fish but never again for me,good video guys👍

  • @Steven-ms3gg
    @Steven-ms3gg Před 6 měsíci +1

    Get your self's to Merrington fisheries boys you wont be disappointed

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      Where is that then mate?

    • @Steven-ms3gg
      @Steven-ms3gg Před 6 měsíci

      @@FreshFishing The Hayes Farm, Merrington Rd, Bomere Heath, Shrewsbury SY4 3QH

  • @Rottieheaven
    @Rottieheaven Před 6 měsíci

    That saved a journey! Thanks 😊

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Haha no bother mate

    • @Rottieheaven
      @Rottieheaven Před 6 měsíci

      @FreshFishing I can't knock the fish, though, certainly some stunners in there.

  • @adammccurdy5345
    @adammccurdy5345 Před 5 měsíci

    Best to get random time off work and go mid week (not holidays) if you can.

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Aye mate can imagine Tuesday Wednesday will be best days to go

  • @johnlee2230
    @johnlee2230 Před 6 měsíci

    Thanks for that review lads👍 I'd rather give up fishing altogether than fish there to be honest.

  • @jvacarpyadventures7045
    @jvacarpyadventures7045 Před 6 měsíci

    Good little vid guys 👍🏻

  • @tapper1971
    @tapper1971 Před 6 měsíci

    Manor farm fishing in Bedfordshire great place I used to fish linear far too busy waiting behind your swim… I do like the place staff are cool as well at linear 👍

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Yeah the ballif we spoke to was a sound fella. Can defo see the attraction to linear but it is a proper rat race

    • @tapper1971
      @tapper1971 Před 6 měsíci +1

      Totally mate I used to fish there quite a lot on St John’s but very stress full, so I fish in Bedfordshire now much better and the lake has some proper chunks in there 👍

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci +2

      @tapper1971 pretty sure manor farm has been mentioned to us by a few subscribers

    • @martinnash9900
      @martinnash9900 Před 6 měsíci

      Manor farm you should try it guys, i haven't been there for years.

  • @aquaticcolledgefishing
    @aquaticcolledgefishing Před 6 měsíci

    Nice video gents, I told you it was Chaos! 😅

  • @KylePepper12
    @KylePepper12 Před 5 měsíci

    Great video sounds like unless you know someone who’s a regular there’s no chance your getting on the good pegs

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 5 měsíci

      Yeah mate defo a tough one to get best pegs

  • @davefreercarpangler
    @davefreercarpangler Před 6 měsíci

    At least yas have tried it lads and one to tick off that very long list that keeps growing lol.
    Hope your session went well and well done on giving it a go.
    Norton Disney is similar set up tbh but the swims are far apart and feel quite secluded.
    Keep up the good work lads 👍🏻

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      Nice one Dave mate. Norton Disney defo on the list for us to visit 👌

  • @TheDrago1882
    @TheDrago1882 Před 6 měsíci

    Center Parcs of the fishing world, bugger that madness 😂

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      😂😂 yeah that’s pretty bang on tbf

  • @shaned155
    @shaned155 Před 6 měsíci

    Why can’t I stop staring at the ticket on the back of the chair👀👀

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      😂😂😂 I’ve had a few mentions of that haha must remember to remove it

  • @chriswathen2065
    @chriswathen2065 Před 6 měsíci

    You can book your swims on the Tar farm lakes at linear 👍

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      Yeah so I’ve heard ok the Nash podcast, you fished them? Any good?

    • @chriswathen2065
      @chriswathen2065 Před 6 měsíci

      @@FreshFishing no not yet, want to go this year. fished B1 but like you say it’s absolute carnage, I would much rather know where I’m fishing for that money

  • @Blupa.
    @Blupa. Před 6 měsíci

    Good video lads, subbed 👍 they would have to pay me though to fish there 😂

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      Hahaha fair mate defo not for everyone

  • @user-jl4mt9bs1z
    @user-jl4mt9bs1z Před 6 měsíci

    Great info lads not for me I think iam from Manchester was thinking of going sometime think i give it a miss for wot you was saying 👍

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      Aye fair play mate! Defo not for everyone and that’s why we thought this video would be a good shout

  • @craigsmith754
    @craigsmith754 Před 6 měsíci

    Good info lads, dont sound like you will rush back

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      We are potentially planning another visit tbh 😅

    • @craigsmith754
      @craigsmith754 Před 6 měsíci

      @@FreshFishing fair one guess the rewards are worth it when you bag one

  • @CymruCelt01
    @CymruCelt01 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Don’t make the mistake of turning up early in the morning. In all the years I’ve fished on Linear, I’ve never joined the mad rush. I just turn up when I feel like it

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      Yeah I guess we thought turning up early was the best shout but maybe not. Tricky for us because it’s a 4 hour drive…

    • @CymruCelt01
      @CymruCelt01 Před 6 měsíci

      @@FreshFishing it’s a 2 hour drive for me. And apart from B2, I know the lakes reasonably well, because I used to live in the area.
      Hardwick Smiths and Oxlease are usually quiet at this time of year. But the lakebed in Hardwick is like an egg box, with depths from 6ft to 25ft.
      Oxlease is a bit more uniform, with an average depths of 9ft to 11ft.
      Always follow the wind, especially a warm southwesterly wind in the winter.
      To avoid crayfish, use hot chilli in your spod mix and avoid using tungsten putty, or tungsten coated hook links.

    • @paulwilliams7288
      @paulwilliams7288 Před 6 měsíci

      Does anyone know why the crays love tungsten so much?

    • @CymruCelt01
      @CymruCelt01 Před 6 měsíci

      @@paulwilliams7288 no idea. I asked Dr Bruno Broughton this some years ago, and his reply was just one of them things

  • @tutts999
    @tutts999 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Interesting watch, but it does look like the darker side of 21st century carp fishing.

    • @CymruCelt01
      @CymruCelt01 Před 6 měsíci +1

      It’s not that bad…except for the gobby scousers lol

  • @fishingcountrylifewithtommyjoe

    Belting video just subscribed

  • @waynescanlan4506
    @waynescanlan4506 Před 6 měsíci

    I love linear but I tend to fish hunts corner or manor farm lake… book through catch app. I can’t be bothered with the crazy mayhem trying to get a peg

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      Are those two lakes pretty good? Being new to linear we just headed for b2

    • @waynescanlan4506
      @waynescanlan4506 Před 6 měsíci

      Yea they are both good lakes…. I’m fishing hunts corner again in March. Check them out on the catch app and there are videos on CZcams about them

  • @superkenanderson
    @superkenanderson Před 6 měsíci

    Going there on a Friday is just mad

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      We both work Mon-Fri so it was the best option for us at the time.. Would defo try to go Mon-Wed in future if poss.

  • @ChrisCheeseBrown
    @ChrisCheeseBrown Před 6 měsíci

    Betty Squiit. Going to have to nick that one 😂

  • @1thewand
    @1thewand Před 6 měsíci

    Thanks for the warning sounds like hell 😂

  • @mikeburrow3707
    @mikeburrow3707 Před 6 měsíci

    What peg did u manage to get on looks like the point on b2.same as u mentioned never get there on the gate I prefer mid day

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      I think we ended up on 12 and 13 from memory

  • @paulhayes7257
    @paulhayes7257 Před 6 měsíci

    booked to go in July on manor far. lake

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      Ever fished it before?

    • @paulhayes7257
      @paulhayes7257 Před 6 měsíci

      nope never been there six of us booked on there for 4 nights

    • @CymruCelt01
      @CymruCelt01 Před 6 měsíci

      @@paulhayes7257fill it in…hemp, sweetcorn, crushed nuts, boilie. Live System, or Cell works great, even in the summer

  • @SouthWestCarpHunter
    @SouthWestCarpHunter Před 6 měsíci

    Sounds like a nightmare to me. More like a busy Asda on a Saturday

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      😂😂 no one likes a busy Asda

    • @SouthWestCarpHunter
      @SouthWestCarpHunter Před 6 měsíci

      @@FreshFishing yeah. I’ve always thought about going there but this confirms my fears of places like this so thanks for the great info 👍🏻

  • @andrewswinglehurst8102
    @andrewswinglehurst8102 Před 6 měsíci

    Sounds like a expensive chaos

  • @EMTBLife
    @EMTBLife Před 6 měsíci

    As a farmer do I bring a tractor to block my swim😅

  • @rogercude1459
    @rogercude1459 Před 4 měsíci

    Its lovely every swim taken and spods blowing the water up, then the new breed of angler who needs a TV flashing on off in their biv all night and then the guys who only go for a social and aren't interested in fishing! Yes its great 😂

  • @AdamsAnglingTv
    @AdamsAnglingTv Před 6 měsíci

    its on my list of lakes to visit but about a 2hr drive for me so i dunno id like to try St johns or brasenose 1🎣

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      Aye it’s tricky when you live a distance from it

  • @ianwilson1667
    @ianwilson1667 Před 6 měsíci +1

    What are those beanies lads

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      New Fresh Fishing beanies mate. These are samples as we’re testing a few different beanie materials and badge sizes. Should be on the website soon 👍

    • @ianwilson1667
      @ianwilson1667 Před 6 měsíci

      @FreshFishing they look quality I'll be keeping an eye out for them

  • @beany118118
    @beany118118 Před 6 měsíci

    If there’s that much demand , imagine not having a booking system in place😂

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      Yeah could see that being helpful. They have got a booking system for some of their lakes just not the most popular 😅

    • @beany118118
      @beany118118 Před 6 měsíci

      @@FreshFishing sounds backwards to me mate 🤣 you should go to malton lakes for a 24/48 it’s got some beauties in and cat fish up to 50lb

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      Aye malton is somewhere we’re still to visit tbf

  • @3GCarpers
    @3GCarpers Před 6 měsíci

    You’d be better off heading to somewhere like Norton Disney. Less travel, great facilities and more orderly etiquette. Can’t speak more highly of Norton.

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      Aye Norton Disney is on the list to visit for sure mate. It’s also only around 2 hours away which is much more bearable haha

  • @craigmaughan5633
    @craigmaughan5633 Před 6 měsíci

    Never arrive early, no point. Better off getting there around 11 when people are packing up and you can jump in behind and get a good peg.

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      Yeah defo a learning curve for us that one

  • @TheMidlandAngler
    @TheMidlandAngler Před 6 měsíci

    Sounds pretty awful to me, no doubt full of clicky ppl who save legs for their mates etc I’d rather not and just book onto one of their tar farm lakes on go catch app but thanks guy very useful! 🙏🏻

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      Glad the video was useful mate. The Tar farm lakes do look pretty decent.

  • @kamikaze7347
    @kamikaze7347 Před 6 měsíci

    14k veiws in 1 day with 6.97k subs is some fucking going bro Gj

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      Yeah we dunno what we’ve done right lol but something has worked 😂

  • @robgood719
    @robgood719 Před 5 měsíci

    It’s not worth it find a club water with a few lakes one cost per year

  • @mikewaller4141
    @mikewaller4141 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Sounds horrific! Stick to my quiet syndicate I think.

  • @TrevTurner
    @TrevTurner Před 6 měsíci

    not my kind of place and i only live 30 mins away and this has confirmed i wont bother

  • @davidfisher7541
    @davidfisher7541 Před 6 měsíci

    Not for me the fish never get a break,

  • @swisstony662
    @swisstony662 Před 6 měsíci

    Fuk that stopped fishing there yrs ago it's mental I bivved up next to a kid who spodded day and night over 40 kg every 15 ....20 mins I'd rather fish canals or go France

  • @kopite1141
    @kopite1141 Před 6 měsíci

    place is a joke. turned up twice last year to fish a lake what was meant to be opening. 3 hour drive to find the website messed up and the lake was actually closing. twice it happened same lake.. never go back again.

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      Jesus that’s mad! Which lake was it?

    • @kopite1141
      @kopite1141 Před 6 měsíci

      @@FreshFishing hardwicks. head bailiff tried to get us on Monor but we could only do two days, we was down for four. ended up at orchid twice. all the other lakes where closed or booked out.

  • @user-pq6gr3sl3l
    @user-pq6gr3sl3l Před 6 měsíci +1

    Don't understand why anyone would actually want to fish this place 😂

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      The carp that reside in the lakes I guess. And the sheer number of them…

  • @walkaz
    @walkaz Před 6 měsíci

    Expect to get nowhere near the decent pegs for starters

  • @michaelfarr1061
    @michaelfarr1061 Před 5 měsíci

    A swim not a peg!!!! match anglers!!!

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 5 měsíci

      😂😂 well sorry for the slight of tongue 👅

  • @troywales983
    @troywales983 Před 6 měsíci

    its just a money making lotto , it used to be a nice place at one time when it was not so crowded and pricy

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      It does seems pretty pricey but can see the attraction as there are some good carp to go at

  • @afjdhe34567
    @afjdhe34567 Před 6 měsíci +1

    You forgot to mention the amount of Rats on there ruining your fishing gear

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      Hahaha in fairness at the time of recording we hadn’t seen any but later that night I had a full on stand off with one 😂

    • @afjdhe34567
      @afjdhe34567 Před 6 měsíci

      Need a jack Russell over there 👍

  • @martinnash9900
    @martinnash9900 Před 6 měsíci

    I fished this many years ago not my cup of tea this place

  • @simonashmead3162
    @simonashmead3162 Před 6 měsíci

    I live 45 mins from there never fish the place it’s bivvy city all year round you get guys sticking bivvys up behind your swims utter madness for the price your paying

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      Yeah sticking bivvies up behind and waiting is madness haha

    • @raverdal
      @raverdal Před 6 měsíci

      Your not allowed to bivvy up behind anyone who is fishing

  • @RFT24
    @RFT24 Před 6 měsíci

    Nope 😂

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      😂😂 not for you mate?

    • @RFT24
      @RFT24 Před 6 měsíci

      @@FreshFishing tbf you know what I might just drive down see what the fuss is about have a drive round scope the place then set my plan of action 🤣😂 it’s like preparing for a battle

  • @davidtalbot491
    @davidtalbot491 Před 5 měsíci

    Fish in a captive pool , A bait that will last a week .Alarms to tell you when you may have a bite sorry a run . Get a life boys

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 5 měsíci

      We have amazing lives cheers Dave pal. Now off you pop 😉

    • @davidtalbot491
      @davidtalbot491 Před 5 měsíci

      Now then boys don't spit your dummy out .

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 5 měsíci

      Dummy fully spat out 😂😂

  • @gavincorbett1272
    @gavincorbett1272 Před 6 měsíci

    I couldn't think of anything worse...this is not what fishing is about imo ...too clicky places like this are...they only want your money.

    • @FreshFishing
      @FreshFishing  Před 6 měsíci

      Yeah mate each to their own. Wasn’t the best experience for us but wasn’t the worst either. Think we will return at some point.

  • @13tgd
    @13tgd Před 6 měsíci

    Been once to linear never ever again