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Plays OTK deck, doesn't OTK once. nice
to be fair he failed a lot of die rolls to not get those OTKs
I mean, it looks like an awful OTK, so it makes sense.
Flithy Nobeard its a tier 1 deck lol. Fucking rank 25 players in youtube xD
@@Dantehhhhh Firstly, I'm not rank 25. Secondly, I'm definitely not very good at this game despite not being rank 25, but at least I'm not a turbo virgin like you. Thirdly, there is no denying that this OTK relative to other OTKs is terrible. You have to rely solely on chance, and as we saw here that opens you up to getting boned a lot. The deck is probably only good because the "supporting" cards are good.
@@Dantehhhhh Tier 1 deck? Good one. Needs 4 specific cards with no tutoring, takes 4 turns at least and is unreliable. Topsy turvy, not a tier 1 deck, all pieces can be tutored for and it can otk on turn 7.
For people planning to play this deck, on turns like 21:00, you can Zola and return the Zola for better tempo
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I don't really see the benefit of that? Save 1 mana later? Maybe I'm missing something.
Wait... so if you Zola, the dude stays on the board... so you have a 5/4 and a 2/2. And a better chance to get unique dude next turn. I get it now. I kinda forgot that Zola isn't a bounce as much as a copy. So Yeah, Zola then bouncing Zola is pretty much always correct, if you have the mana.
Thank you man, played this deck a lot and never thought of this
@@tdfowler79 if you also run shrink ray like i do (i find it better and cheaper than sunkeeper tarim) you can fit it in with a hero power+zola +shrink ray which has happened too many times
Is Trump saying "Free win" and losing 106% of the time a meme yet?
people are really underestimating the pressure that an odd mage can put.
Won me many games
When Trump says "Free win", he is describing himself.
Did that extra 6% came from you losing to the math?
THE NO PEACE NO REST MAN
SUCH A PERFECT SPECIMEN GIRL
@@rivini4585 ＴＨＥ ＮＯ ＰＥＡＣＥ ＮＯ ＲＥＳＴ ＭＡＮ
*nO pEaCe, nO rEsT*
Weird how much variety this OTK deck has
Lol Thijs has 2 mana summon a random Nazgrim, Trump gets 2 mana summon a random Darion
true lmao
Good ol' Highlord Dorian Morgian
Stop :P. It's Darion Mograine. Dorian xD. At this rate you're going to give me a Darion Migraine.
I blame finals for this mistake lol
Before watching: The answer to the title is no
Two mana summon a random Darion
10:03 is quite simply delightful! The bemused laugh is just perfect!
That feel when the Rank 5-4 players that get highlighted play worse than rank 19-15 players I usually play.
Jamick98Geass they don’t play worse they’re just unlucky.
@@0IIIIII Hearthstone is almost entirely based on luck.... so yeah they play worse
@@0IIIIII
I'm sorry if you're attached to your rank, but the vast majority of rank 5-low legend players are not very good.
The only thing real difference between that bracket and lower ranks is a higher percentage of completed netdecks, and even that's wildly inconsistent in the meme zones.
Good players will finish that climb and either stop playing or start climbing into mid-high legend. The ones that don't make it up there are either really committed to their meme or playing their decks poorly.
AMaliciousMoose pffft. If that’s true then how come the same players keep reaching a high rank? If it was luck based then how do they keep doing so well while others do poorly?
PurpleSidewalk1 the same people get high ranking because they’re good at the game. That’s why they’re always doing better than poor players
Tl;Dr The deck IS actually good, just look it up. Multiple people have hit top legend in Rastakhan AND Boomsday with this deck. I'm not trolling. Thijs was considering using this competitively last expansion (note: he won an Aston Martin in a tournament last expansion), and the deck is stronger now than it was then.
I'm seeing a lot of negative comments about the deck~e.g. "lol this deck is trash, the combo is a coin flip", or "I don't see why this is better than x combo deck". Firstly-yes, the combo is actually trash. Even with optimal play (which this is NOT, Trump is not used to this deck and, believe me, this deck takes a TON of practice to play well), you'll often end up in coin flip scenarios where you simply have to hope for the right horseman. Secondly, yeah, whatever combo you're thinking of is probably significantly better than this combo. Priest just has to draw the right cards and boom, combo. Mechathun just needs to draw ALL the cards and boom, combo. Thirdly-no, x combo deck is probably worse than this one. The issue with the topsy turvy deck and most Mechathun decks is the lack of supporting cards. This deck doesn't have that problem whatsoever. Call to Arms is an incredibly strong way to flood the board which also helps draw your combo. Since it will often recruit creatures which draw you cards, it gets you to the combo super fast. Equality and similar cards give you a million board clears which ignore the size of your opponent's creatures and just get rid of all of them. Time out gives you a free turn. This deck has plenty of cards besides which make it incredible at stalling out games until you can either combo the opponent or win traditionally. Sunkeeper Tarim will even allow you to pull off massive amounts of burst damage and win out of nowhere if your opponent isn't paying attention. This deck has ridiculously good supporting cards, and that's why it's playable despite the combo being inherently unreliable.
Well said.
Trash deck lul
that is alot of words
And you just get shat on by druids.
Sam Coates I like your analysis, thanks!
I don't think combo decks are for you Trump. You are high on squeezing value out of single cards, but combo decks makes value with a combination of cards. So there were many times you needed to draw cards, and chose not to: this was an error.
I agree, Trump used to be good at freeze mage tho
Yeah def would've played flash of light so many more times. If anything to dig for the Time Outs! and Lynessa
What rank are you exactly? 16?
This combo deck is an exception, you just need to draw pieces over the course of the game (other than Uther which he started with every game) value is important to win with this deck
@@0IIIIII
Implying that players above that rank are good, which they aren't.
Gotta love the horde music in the background
No peace, no rest
The number of 1 star cards that are doing well is incredible. Looking forward to hearing the changes.
I love this deck because, while it's super hard to play properly, it feels like it can win in just about any matchup. You go for the combo in most cases, but even vs. aggro, you can sometimes just win with your own minion pressure
It's been so long since I've seen call to arms, that I completely forgot it's 5 mana now
Good Lord that Shaman with throw of the century
NO PEACE, NO REST
11:28 it's shadowcaster all over again.
13:56 what a missplay
I loved the continued Zolas!
12:14 Yay Odd Mage, Free Win...15:41 D'oh!! /Facepalm
winter is here
I think I spotted a slight flaw in this OTK deck. See if you can spot it too.
No pixie? Feels like you could double roll a lot of those fuckup turns for another chance.
So many perfect specimens
anyone else do a lil dance when that outro comes on?
*N O F E A S T N O R E S T*
Who watches thijs knows, its always a random Nasgrimm :D
Azeroth will be purified.
Youthful brewmaster is good because you can button, bounce, steed. Which you cant do with zola or ancient brewmaster.
That is true. But it is bad when you do call of arms and pull it out that way instead of taunt or draw you desperatly need.
T H E D O G M A N
Wait, Trump is using golden cards?
I can't wait for Kingsbane to rotate out.
apparently the 4 horsemen are also loa because it looks like trump picked darion and darion is always with trump
It's funny how whenever trump says "free win" he justs loses really quickly
OTK shirvalah without holy wrath....um ok
Did you just mulligan the DK thats a big oooops?
I think he's becoming old:
Fully teached, and he didn't understand what he learned :-)
Am I wrong in saying he could've OTK'd him at 11:16? By Zola on his horse then just playing the one he had in his hand already.
You have to have the four unique horsemen out to otk, not just 4 of whichever horsemen.
Yeah you need four DIFFERENT horseman, which is why he didn’t Zola the horseman for a while because he kept getting the same horseman
I'm not sold on OTK paladin yet.
NO COMBO PIECE
NO REST
5:33 Is there a downside to brewmastering the brewmaster?
Michał Matczak Not really but there isn’t an upside either
That way your opponent knows you have the other. Information can be key sometimes. He could be pushing more. O the other way of thinking it, he could be baited into push more and get equality+stuff and instantly lose. So no, it's not a downside beside mind games.
Why did the kingsbane in the first match resign? I thought he was winning
The deck recipe has Hogrider instead of Steed, Jens plz fix
Isn't Blackwald Pixie an auto include in a deck like this?
not enought mana - 2+2+2+3+2=11
i think you'd probably have to replace something more essential like survival. if dog didn't include it, he probably thought all 30 cards are better than blackwald pixie.
@@kajtek141022 You can save the coin for it or get a surprise lethal if one of your guys stick for a turn.
you'd think so ! but dog is obviously very skillful at the game, and there is a reason the deck is the way it is. imo the decklist is very competitive atm, and i can't think of any one or two cards i would cut in order to fit copies of blackwald pixie- you either cut non-combo pieces by dropping other useful cards ( those that cycle/draw, those that keep you alive ) or by cutting out essential combo pieces ( such as brewmaster, which is better than blackwald imo, so you might as well design a different deck )
though, on paper, the double hero power seems strong for this deck archetype, a blackwald pixie turn is 7 mana minimum for only 2 presses of the button; this actually isn't very strong at all, because nearly every good deck atm has efficient ways of clearing minions - in any scenario, i would always rather be bouncing horsemen back into my hand, as it is much safer
the only scenario i see the blackwald pixie adding any value to this deck is this: after bouncing at least 1 horseman to my hand, AND after my opponent passes the turn with at least 1 horseman on the board ( each horseman obviously being unique ), you could use 9 mana to play the horseman in your hand ( important that you play it first ), press the button, play blackwald pixie, then press the button a final time. this is a slightly more roundabout way of completing the combo, but is completely valid ! my only criticisms are that blackwald pixie is a dead card outside of this one, relatively specific scenario, and that when playing a combo deck, you have sooooo many setup turns wherein you float mana, so one of the biggest issues with combo decks is actually finding proactive cards to play each turn, not adding more dead draws to keep in your hand
tl;dr ; you lose too much by adding blackwald pixie, i'd always rather complete the combo in other ways
Before Rastakhan, yes, it was. It allows a lot of surprise wins~for example, with one horseman on board and one in hand, you could win immediately with pixie. However, you have to either keep a horseman around on board or have the coin for it to be worth inclusion. With the release of Rastakhan, however, cards like time out and shirvallah simply offer more consistency and frequently take that spot instead.
Edit: so basically yeah I agree completely with Jo Thomas. I played the deck in boomsday and pixie is too much of a niche card when you have such powerful alternatives
Trump you have to attack him with your weapons instead of always taking it to a value based late game
Why doesn'tthis deck play Blackwald Pixie? It sets up OTK lethal a turn earlier
Because pixie only shines if you can do 11 mana combo with a coin. It makes the combo deadly reliable if going second.
Problem here is there is probably to much agro to get to 11 mana without using the coin to stay alive early game.
But yea definatly can be included if you feel like there is not much agro on lader.
15:40 play.... two or three minions? trump not losing is just as important as winning
Uhh, the flash of light gave you an extra turn in the mage game, but you drew kangor off flash of light, meaning that combo was there and stronger next turn. But I digress, I don't think that changes the outcome to be honest, because of how it'd have impacted your next turns.
I got an aneurysm when trump pressed the button over playing crystalsmith at 15:20. Either the opponent spends some mana clearing it instead of developing or trump gains 10 hp and 5 armor the next turn. And if opponent has Rag then it can tank a shot and still be alive. Trump man you're killing me with your unnecessary greed...
Old habbits die hard, trump presses the button way to much with this deck. If you watch his other video where Dog teaches him the deck there are way to many times Trump says i just dude here and Dog is like nope that is a missplay.
longer videos pls
I only have enough dust for either Kangor or Shirvallah which one is a must for the deck ?
for me it's always Nazgrim
I just cant understand why would that shaman frog the Thalons instead of the 1-1 divine shield. SMH
to deny the card draw.
If he hadn't played Hagatha he wouldn't have a way to remove your horsemen from board so you would have rolled the 3rd one and won...
No because the one that was on board was already in his hand.
@@superlouis3333 but letting him stick would increase chance of getting the right one, and after 2 stick it is 100% that he has the right one
Couldn't he have just attacked it with the shudderwock on board from the turn before?
@@DieEnteable depends on taunts and stuff like that...
Best deck to reach rank 5? I’ve been stuck rank 8-9 with even pally
SOme kind of cancer agro is best for climbing. Like odd paladin for example.
I guess no, 1 star gameplay
What even the hell was that first game, hahah.
Oh odd mage free win
Pua pua puaaa
Why did the first guy concede?
Shirvalah isnt good in this deck, ive tried it and theres not much spell to use him very early, id rather use the blackwald pixie to lessen the combo by 1 turn when i am second (horseman, horseman,heropower,pixie,coin,heropower). good for aggro decks
Trump is so good that he almost makes up for how bad president Trump is.
The deck code is wrong, it puts Spiked Hogrider lol #punintended?
So what's the OTK with this deck then? Cause I have seen the holy wrath otk but I have no idea what it is here other than Lynessa
its 4 horseman hero power.once you have 4 different on board you just win. And you cant spawn duplicates on board. But if the enemy keeps clearing you have to relly on RNG and collect them by bouncing them to hand. But once you have 3 different in hand next turn is gg.
This deck doesn't work as an OTK decklist. A lot of the legendries can actually be taken out because they don't really fit.
High legend players who play it disagree.
Game Tips but it's missing Blackwald Pixie and the Youthful Brewmaster! They make it so much easier to do!
they make it easier to pull of the combo yes. But against agro pixie doesnt do anythign and youtfull brewmaster makes call to arms weaker.
IT really depends on meta what you take.
Game Tips i don't much like Call to Arms in this deck either. Sure it's a huge swing, but in a deck reliant on specific battlecry effects it isn't all that useful.
yea well you can play the version without call to arms and put in pixie and brewmaster but you will get destroyed by agro.
Why this deck plays 4 mana bounce instead of 2 mana bounce ?
Because you want to pull out taunts and card draw with call to arms instead of 2 mana bounce.
Never Lucky 7:27
Very nice video
Man, that luck
9:59
Wait ate you not able to copy multiple dorians for the otk???
I don't get how you could rate Time Out as a 2 star when its practically Ice Block. Ice block was HOF'd for being too strong...
If it was a mage card he would rate it 5 starts. He did not expect there to be a paladin deck which can utilize it well.
It's never a free game when trump is playing. He can always find a way to lose...
These misplays bother me more especially after he just learned from Dog
Assuming the opponent doesn't just allow you to collect horsemen on the board and you have to bounce 3 horsemen to your hand, you need to hero power, on average, 6 times to get all four unique horsemen: 1st hp always gets one you can bounce, for the 2nd one you need to hp on average 4/3 times, for the 3rd 4/2=2 times and the last one is again just 1 because you play the 3 in your hand first to guarantee it, that's 5+1/3, rounds up to 6. So that's a 6 turn lethal that requires you to draw the death knight and the bounce cards to even get started, and none of those cards can be tutored. All in all it's a pretty bad deck, essentially a combo deck that's so slow it loses to other combo decks
Exantius E hsreplay.net/decks/JIjl3qOVxKCOYpjwlbFSog/
This deck has the second highest winrate among combo decks with 60.3% among 6,500 games
The first place is Mecha'thun Druid with 61.6% among 36,000 games.
Granted the small sample size may not reflect the actual power level, but it is actually one of the best combo decks, only topped off by Druid which has BS draw power and stalling cards
Also the last one is actually garunteed because you can play out the rest the hero power
@Exantius E
Your mistake is that you are judging this deck on how long it takes to pull of the kill combo.
YOu can't just ignore how many tools it has to survive against agro and midrange.
You also can't ignore how hard it is to distrupt the actual combo.
YOu also can't ignore that combo just kills the oponent oponent regardless of how much hp, armor or secrets it has up.
SO yea sure it takes a while to setup on average but it is strong in all other areas and that makes it great.
One blackwald pixie could be good. I really dont like the call to arms as pulling out pyro when not needed is not good.
TAC call to arms thins your deck by 3 and even more if you get draw minions and it puts board pressure, it’s insane in the deck
Eric Cheng in theory, but the games he lost was due to not being able to clear with pyro
In practice Dog plays this deck in high legend.
Yea it sucks to pull the pyro but the card is to valuable to cut.
Speaking of Trump's Time Out rating: Is it just me or has this been his least accurate expansion rating yet? This meta has been surprising in a lot of ways, but man is that re-review gonna be painful. Poor Trump :(
Why Ancient brew master over youthful brew master?
Call to arms has a chance to pull it out
1st game only win cause topdeck equality...
Trump why do you upload the videos that you do? Lately they are least satiating games to watch.
the cards to rely on are so few but still so many
Wait did trump rate Ice Block 2 stars?
Yes, he was really dumb enough to say that a card that is a close equivalent to an old card that had to get removed from play due to how OP it was only worthy of 2 stars. We watch Trump reviews for the memes. Any card that grants you immunity on command, with no counterplay, with 3 mana, is always going to be broken in combo decks and it literally is 3 mana have a free turn.
He rated it 2 starts because he did not think a deck that will be able to utilize it will exist.
He comments this in his Learning the deck with Dog video.
Its a must watch if you liked this one. czcams.com/video/7KnfktEEakM/video.html
no Blackwall Pixie?
To slow in agro dominated meta. If you face more non agro decks yes you include the pixie for sure.
Jens
hello, i am on budget, and i would like to make buffadin, heal paladin, discard warlock or kingsbane rogue. i can for -few cards make one of them. Is it worth to make them right now and are they good for around rank 17ish ?
Thanks
Gakamis Gaming they require too much dust. I’m a f2p and I use zoolock and odd pally and I’m in rank 7
Yeah that really depends, are you looking to win, or to have fun?
If you are interested in how good a deck is, just do a quick check at hsreplay.net.
In case you are interested Odd Paladin is the deck with the highest winrate in the game, followed by Token Druid and Zoolock, and mind you they don't require that much dust to craft.
For the decks that you mentioned, i think the one with the highest winrate is the Kingsbane Rogue. But hey don't let the desire to win hinders you from having fun, that's the point of the game after all
@@frankierong2335 im f2p too, but i just like to play specific decks that intrest me
F2p here. I'm playing discard warlock, rank 15 right now. Climbing slowly and it's a fun deck to meme around with. Kingsbane rogue is pure cancer and probably more effective though.
@@portalmanHUN thanks
Isn't the odds of that (1/4)^4
No because you cant spawn duplicates on board.
Worst case scenario is.
1. horseman is always good.
2. horseman is 3/4
3.third horseman is 2/4
4. once you have first three you just play them and hero power gg.
so 6/16 (24/64) to do it without retries.
6/64 to do it with one extra try on failing the 2nd horseman once and suceeding the third one
12/32 (24/64) to do it with one extra try on suceeding the 2nd horseman and failing the third one once
so 54/64 times you pull the combo of with one or zero retries, which is 84 percent of time.
Most others fall under 2 tries and very rarelly you will need 3 extra tries or more. Trump was just unlucky.
ANd this is if oponent clears the horseman on board each turn which means he is using resources or giving you more time.
SInce you got many tounts and board clears in the deck it is actually pretty reliable to pull it of.
@@gametips8339 When he had darion in hand there is a one in four chance for him to get darion, that happened 4 times in a row
Oh ok. Yea making the same knight 4 times in a row is (1/4)^4. DId not know what you meant. He was extermly unlucky.
I think jens just put the most unlucky videos tbh to rille people up calling this deck bad when its tier 1 etc...
When you can be Arthus why the fuck would you play as Annoy o tron? Baffling
Playing OTK deck and thinking about outvalueing the enemy, LOL?
Profesional deformation of being a major of value town. Old habits die hard.
@Don Buri
Playing for value often means less pressure. It means playing cards in a way to get most value of of them as oposed to play for tempo to get as much on board on any given turn you can.
SO what trump often does is hero power with paladin even if he has a two drop or two mana spell. This is playing for value, hero power every turn and save cards to play them later to get maximum amount of stats over time.
Another example is a card whic heals and draws a card. Trump wants to play it for value to heal his hero or even better heal a minion. But often with this deck you just want to cycle it which is playing to get combo as fast as possible.
It is only rational to play for value if oponent is likelly to do so as well. But if you are the slower deck oponent will go tempo or agro route to try to rush you down in that case you have to play less for value and more for tempo.
So yea i agree with @King Bling, trump to often does out value plays where he would be much better of doing tempo plays or draw plays to get combo faster.
And imo... there is no combo deck out there that this deck can rush down. This deck is just not fast enough, so trying to pressure ni any way for enemy to get combo out slower is pointless. Only real pressure you can do is to hero power every turn after you get the Hero in order to force oponent to clear it to slow your own win condition down.
@Dun Buri
Ok with that change it makes sense :)
Why did the rogue concede in that gorgon meme fest?
He had 10 cards in hand at the end. I guess he wasn't brave enough to russian roulette burn his king's bane.
I get that, but why did he get that full a hand in the first place. And even if he milled kings bane trump was in fatigue and he had damage on board
Did he miss lethal 10:59? He had 4 horsemen he could have played.
Why do you run ancient over youthful brewmasters? I saw it being an issue so many times in the games
Because call to arms pulls the small dude out making deck thining or making taunt walls less consistent.
Oh yeah, I didnt notice that, I used to play this in wild back when call to arms wasnt a thing XD
You are like 6 time worse player than dog but You are 2 times more enjoy to watch for me
Absolutely disgusting
wow this deck seems garbage..the 75% and the 50-50 are failing way more than they should... extremely inconsistent deck
akhs denlew the deck is excellent if you don’t get bad rng. The trouble is you frequently will get bad rng, just as you will frequently get good rng, but the fact that there is rng built in to the combo means it is inherently inconsistent, so yeah some people would assess the deck as being bad for that reason. I got up to rank 5 with it going from a 75% win rate down to about 67% approaching rank 5. Now I’ve been playing it at rank 5 and suddenly uther is in the bottom 3 cards every fucking game, or I miss the 75% horseman chance 3 times in a row and give the opponent who was totally out of resources time to build back up. It’s incredibly frustrating to lose to rng like this so yeah, not sure I’d recommend it. I’ll repeat that it is a great deck, though. Your rng doesn’t even need to be good, it just needs to not be bad.
@@joshburns1777 I played a little bit of this deck, i have the privlege of being an ancient HS player so i pretty much have every card lol.
So i decided to try the otk paladin just becouse i really love the time out as a card for the otk paladin. felt really strong and it is really strong.
After i played like 10 games at rank 5 i got the feeling that you are getting way too often bad rng.
Like i've lost the 75% many many times.
it shouldn't work like that, it didn't feel like 75%.
And the 50-50.. oh god i think i really never got that 50-50 first try.
I just can't see why people would enjoy a deck like this, there are many times that the difference between winning and loosing will be that RNG.
Something's wrong with this deck i can tell you.
Sure it feels strong and good and bla bla bla when it works but its just not worth it.
And the RNG is not only between getting the right horsemen.. sometimes as u said, u just DONT draw uther, or zola, or 1 of the pandas.
The amount of RNG that this deck has is beyond my likings.
Some RNG is okay for a deck but not that much RNG
@@akhsdenlew1861 We're far more likely to remember negative results then positive ones so of course it feels like that. There's also availablelty hurstic. You're thinking about the RNG here so of course you notice that more.
@@myself2noone well it's not like i played this deck for 100 + games or a sick marathon to legend.
I played it like 10 maybe 15 times MAX, the deck is actually winning more than it should.
But the whole OTK thing, is just the worst OTK i've seen.
It's just that the other cards are so good.. and time out is +2 turns and sometimes they get baited to an even stronger clear.
People are still experimenting so Silience and oozes were not that common, so i was having an easy time clearing with true silver and defending with my steeds and linessa and even putting enough pressure to win just with board some times.
The deck performed pretty decent i'd say, but the OTK thing NEVER performed good or even decent in any of these games.
It was taking me way more turns than it should've against a jaina mage, and eventually i lost cus i just NEVER won that 50-50.
Never!! it was like, 8 turns or something.
And as i said it never worked first time..usually 3-4 turns if i am lucky lol
@@myself2noone But hey maybe i will play it again and give u some new statistics.
So this decks combo doesn't always work? Tipical hearthstone...
Hahaha watch Thijs play this deck... See the 2 mana summon a random 2/2 Deathlord Nazgrim... 9 times in a row...
no blackwood pixie. It's less good.
its better against agro though which seams to be the bigest problem in current meta right now.
with a month in pretty much every Trump cards rank will prove to be pure bullshit.