How To Use A Dual Action Polisher: Why You Are Not Getting Results!
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About this video:
In this video I share the do's and don'ts of DA polishing, how to use a DA polisher, and the pit falls to avoid! These days, dual action polishers are so advanced that it is hard to screw things up, but nonetheless, there are still things that are necessary to understand in order to get the maximum results out of your DA polisher. From stalling the backing plate, to the pressure that you need to use, in this video I cover most every mistake that a beginner could make! Follow along, and learn how to get the best results with a DA polisher in the paint correction world!
I like that you did not fast forward and showed us in real time😎😁
Thanks man! More to come!
*I've owned the 849x going on 6 years **MyBest.Tools** and has never failed me.Smooth runningWell balancedNot too noisyDecent weightControlled RPM's that keeps it's speed no matter pressure*
Brilliant!! I’ve been struggling with this and none of the other tutorials come close to this! Thanks a million!!
Useful video but would love to have seen an explanation of different pads for compounds and polishes.
“How to use a DA polisher” 💀 if u want a certain subject then search it up.
Just by watching you I took a go at my hood on my jet black Jeep and it’s looking showroom quality...thanks Luke!!!
Finally, I find an instructive video on how to use a Dual Action Polisher. This was really hard to find. Even the instructions with my polisher aren't very good. I think I got. Go slow, let the machine do the work, take the time, no reason to push hard, work a reasonably sized area. Thank You Wilson.
How did it go? I know it was a year ago but have you improved?
@@gilbertrodriguez2595 It went well. I had to play around with different pads but eventually found I liked using the microfiber cap for my polisher. Also changing them out to a clean one seemed to make sense. I bought a bunch. I'm 68 and only polish once a year so I'm coming up to my next try. I'm thinking of buying a smaller one to get into smaller areas. At a certain point I have to remember that my car is a 2014 Mazda5, but its a good looking 2014 Mazda5. But thanks for your video, I learned a lot and got over my fear of using one.
Thanks for that film. I tried my DA for the 1st time a couple of days ago have had it for about a year and never tried but now I have and had a good result and now having watched your film it gives me greater confidence to do more of my mini and move onto my Land Rover. Thanks.
Really like your Chanel. Helps me a lot. I have such a passion for detailing. I do work full time. Actually two full time jobs but still manage to detail a few cars on the side. All I have done so far I heave gotten great feed back. All my detailing is done outside
and really enjoy you including us guys who would kill for a garage but don’t have one. I’m 57 years old and still learning so much. Keep up the great work and keeping real. Rob K
Great video Luke. Been watching alot of your videos over the last couple of months and find you videos very helpful. Keep up the great work 👍
I bought a rotary as beginner. Been hating it since day one and only got more problems from using it. Realised my bad choise gonna buy a DA polisher. Hopefully I will enjoy it more.
Incredible video, so helpful. Super clear explanations!
Very solid, easy to understand, and follow tutorial. Thanks!
Clear, concise and really informative vid. Nice one!
Very well put. Was very easy to understand. Great video for a beginner like myself.
Great audio and content. Thanks for aiming at the "weekend warrior" instead of the pro's.
You explained everything I needed to know, Thank You!
I kinda want to take my DA polisher back after selling it.......... Thank you for the correct tips!
Best polishing video on youtube!!
This guy is so clear at explaining, great video, I will be starting to machine polish soon, also got a few friends with swirls in their paint that needs attention.😁 plenty of opportunities for learning 😂 my brother has an old focus sitting outside the house that will be scrapped in the future, will definitely be experimenting on it before it goes 😎
Poor focus 😢
So true !!!
"Let the polisher do the work"
Great simple and well explained video 👍
THE BEST VIDEO FOR BEGINNERS!!!
Hey Luke.What procedure do you recommend to remove bug guts that have been left on black painted plastic mirrors. The bugs have etched the clear ? thanks and great channel BTW
thanks for your demonstration! i've been going too fast haha.
New to your channel.great info..I have a old Corvette..I've used retail not professional polishers out of fear of damaging fiberglass..are there different procedures products and polishers when dealing with fiberglass..THANKS.
Thank you. Very helpful for a novice..
That was very informative, thanks. Do you have a video on how to use the DA polisher on the fenders or other parts of the car?
Very well explained!!!
Hey, Luke thanks for thanking ur time to do this videos, to be honest I'm a beginner on 5his field, I'm working on my family and friends cars.my goal is to specialize in interiors deep cleaning
Hope you’re still chasing this goal, man✌🏼💯 I’m just getting into the basics of exterior, currently.
Excellent video
Nice video. This "how-to" guide would also be helpful for woodworkers where random-orbit (dual-action) sanders have revolutionized their wood finishing process.
Definitely! Good thinking!
Another great WAD video Luke
Thank you Robert! Always enjoy reading your comments!
So how much pressure for vertical surfaces because the polisher weight isn't there
Great video!! Speaking of entry level DA, I have a Porter Cable 7424 xp.
Boom! Great DA!
I've had great results with mine over the last 2 years. Remember the pad and polish play a huge role also👍
Thanks for the advice I was doing pressure mostly the time for polish and cutting what is the speed in orbital griots?
Thanks for the tip
Love my Griots 6 inch as well as my Boss 21!
Yep! Both great polishers!
Great video bro thanks
Hey man. Great videos. I'm new to detailing and was given a Simons rotary polisher. I can't seem to keep consistent contact with my pad to the panel. Any advice? Should I be starting out with a DA polisher? Cheers
I like the music you use.
Great simple video outlining the basics. Keep it up! Side question... where do you get your business apparel?
Thanks Adam! I have a local guy who does everything for me!
I use 3D speed with a medium cutting pad and I love it
Hey Luke, love your channel definitely one of the best for car detailing.
I took delivery recently of a mk7 golf R, I understand it has hard paint to correct.
I have a shine mate da 5" backing plate with hdo pads and microfiber hdo also a shine mate 3.5" backing plate with the same. As far as compounds I went with TLC (the last Cut).
In your professional opinion will this work well.
Going to coat it with kamikaze ism also do the proper decon you talk about.
I'm only a driveway enthusiast but have done now 5 cars for friends and family and have turned out magic.
Wash, decon, da stage and glass coat can do in around 20 hours.
What is the best way to clean the rubbers on the outside around the doors?
Always have a problem with that?
Thanks Luke.
Love from Gold Coast Australia 👍
Hey man I’m so glad you like the channel! So I definitely think that is a good strategy. I always encourage guys to experiment and try lots of different things kind of like you are doing. With runners on the exterior, degreaser diluted 5:1 would be my go to, if that doesn’t work it is difficult to say because there are so many different scenarios and TYPES of rubber so it is difficult for me to answer 😬😬 feel free to email me! Wilsonautodetailing3@gmail.com
I have used that same DA to compound, polish, and wax my Ram 1500 crew cab. It literally took most of 2 days (the compounding was very tedious). Would a forced rotation model do the work very much faster?
Thanks for the tips and advice! I have some advice for you, Keep loving life 😀
Can you use a foam/sponge soft polishing pad? Also do you increase the speed setting at all or did you stay at 3/4 the hole way through? Also is the idea to keep going until the polish/haze as disappeared and it starts to shine? That's when u stop and move to another area?
Thanks
I detail my own 30' motorhome. I've been using a Meguiers mt300, 8mm throw. This machine seems to small for large areas. Will a 21mm throw work better? Or a rotory machine?
hey there..luke, do you have a vid or advice on cleaning the inside of windows? like, how to reach them? i've tried some of those extending handle things but they have crap for material for cloth and all i get are streaks and swirls. i drive right into the sun every day and it can create issues with visibility. thanks
I love your channel, you are amazing Luke! Keep them coming!
Thank you so much man!
What speed do you use seems like a 2 or a 3 like my rotary polisher I used it at. I remember when I used my rotary at a 6 speed it was too fast to control it but now have a dual action 5 inch polisher coming today so I will use it at a slower speed.
Thank you Wilson. I'm a Brazilian hobbyist and I'm following your work. Did you like maxshine m15 ??? for hobbyist beginners?
Thank you Diego! And yes I love it! Great for beginners!
Hey luke, awsome video ! I’m a beginner and i noticed from your video that im probably going a much faster then you.. i also notice on the sides of the car that my polisher stalls more. I use speed 5 on my krauss s15 polisher. What do u recommend for stalling less?
Btw love your videos
Greetings from Belgium !
Hey man! So many times stalling will happen when you polish character lines on the car, so if I had my guess I would say that is what you are experiencing! Try putting even less pressure and spending even more time on those body lines!
I have been using my da orbital to fast not stalling or pressure but just to fast , great video learnt a lot , still don’t understand how to shine the wax coat after polishing , not sure if to use a waffle pad or do by hand , also is the last step with wax coating a slow speed as in 3 or 4 or a faster speed , many thanks from Australia cheers
What speed do you recommend for heavy duty compounding/swirl mark removal and what speed do you recommend for polishing/depth enhancement? Thanks Luke!
Hey man! For more heavy correction, I would sit somewhere around 3, the idea is to keep the polish from heating up too much because after it hits a certain temp. it doesnt work to its max ability. With finishing and gloss enhancement I might kick it up a notch to 4.5
@@wilsonautodetailing Okay, thanks bro!
Not gonna lie,when I heard those sirens I had to take my earbuds out and look out of the window 🤷♂️😂
Thanks for the video. Really helped
I’m starting paint correcting and today I practiced all day on my red Mazda 6 2005. If you know Mazdas you know they have really thin paint. And okay I see you go at a medium speed on the polisher and your movements are slow. I tried higher polisher speed and slightly quicker movements and had good results. Is there anything wrong with my form
What's the appropriate speed setting to polish an acrylic aquarium?
Hey Luke, how many pads would we use typically on each car? and how would we maintain them?
I think a good rule of thumb is 4 pads, but that is just an average for me. I would say to maintain them just making sure you are washing them after every job you do, not literally after everytime you put it down, but when the entire job is done, making sure that you are washing the polish out and letting them dry... sometimes people overthink the pad washing thing
hey bud....i just do my own car. not a pro. i got a DA a couple years ago, worked gr8 the fist two times i used it on an older car. tried it the other day on the trunk of a new car and it would not spin at all with only it's weight. i had to lift it up to get it to spin. does that mean it's trash now?
When you move to the next area, do you reload the pad with the same amount of polish?
There’s a tool like a brush that you use between area. That way your not working with excess build up from products or what’s coming off the area you work on. I do this every panel.
Hi Luke, Thanks for the message to use M105 on the Vette vs D300 which left swirls. After watching this video, would you recommend I use an orange foam cutting pad or a microfiber cutting pad like you’re using? Is there a big difference in results? Your brother in Christ from snowy Kansas, Bob.
Hey man! Love hearing from my family in Kansas! I would recommend using an orange foam cutting pad, and REALLY taking your time. then following with any finishing pad you want with Meguiars 205 as a final step
@@wilsonautodetailing Thanks Luke. It's too cold here to do any kind of car work. I've got the Z06 in winter storage until mid March 2019. I'll take your advice when I get her out of storage. Keep the great videos coming! If I don't speak with you for a while, have a blessed Christmas and a prosperous 2019 my friend.
I'm a novice at auto detailing (just for my personal vehicles). I recently purchased what's referred to as a beginners 6" D.A. Polisher and am confused about purchasing the right pads. What's the difference between a Polishing, Buffing and a Finishing pad? Thank you.
Usually by color. Yellow is compound, orange is polish, black is finishing with wax. No expert, that was what the pads in my DO polisher instruction manual stated.
What speed setting do you use for polishing and applying wax
Any tips for starting mobile detailing in the winter? (Northeast USA)
Would offering interior services only until the weather breaks be viable to gaining customers and reputation?
That is definitely a good strategy! And one that I suggest for many people! Ill have to come out with a video about this in particular
@@wilsonautodetailing thanks for the reply. I'll be waiting for that video.. Also, props on the video you dropped today about your journey/relationship with Christ.. God Bless brother.
How do you know how many passes to do? Do you work it in until it's gone or just 2 passes for example and then buff out?
Do test area, start with 1 or 2 passes.
Clean with IPA wash and check results.
If you think you need to add another pass or two, do so and repeat above.
Once you determine the number of passes, move onto the next area and test that.
Wipe with IPA and assess.
Once you dial in the passes you need, proceed to the other sections.
This can be applied for Wet-Sanding, Compounding and Polishing.
Test, test & test.
The pad wasn't properly centered that why the polisher was walking if you will. Nice vid & info for what I call new Jack's to the world of detailing.
Thanks man! It was an on the fly video so sometimes I go quickly and skip a couple details to get the videos out
Your really patient. I want to do this but my car is a 2008 750i. It needs buffing bad! Would rotary be better? How do you decide? Thanks.
Rotary needs a lot of experience to use it, and it.contains a lot.of dangers. If you are a bigginer a da i all you need. You are not trying to have show room resulta in a 2008 car, but you CAN have great reaults.
@@marioskosmidhs9454 Great. Thanks for prompt answer. I appreciate it.
Rotary definitely would be ideal just because of how much correcting you can do, and heavy correcting at that, and it would let you be a little less patient because things move faster! And it would be a good project to learn how to use one!
@@wilsonautodetailing Thanks. How can I keep from messing up with a rotary? Pads, pressure, etc.
Use the flex 3401, it's a forced rotation da. Gets the job done much quicker but just as safe as a regular da polisher. Professional German tool.
Hey Luke, weekend warrior here, also in middle tn. I want to test my hand at using a da, is there's one you could recommend in the $60-$80 range ? Thanks!
Harbor freight polisher
I think it'd be harder to keep non-forced rotation DAs spinning on non-flat panels or at the side where you are carrying the polish like doors.
For us beginners. Jeez I almost feel like I got something against us newbies.. but I know your here to help.. so... At harbor freight they have a Bauer 6 in dual action 6speed deal. $109. This machine u have here is from Gyros and vmcan be found at Advance auto parts. $80. Your only really losing 1340 orbits per min on the machines. However u also have more vibrations on the Gyros one.. oh and the harbor freight DA is compared to the $300 Rupes brand.
So but now dude. How do you get into those "lips" with the DA? Because the moment mine goes over even a slight lip it stalls without any pressure
What's the difference between the hex buffing pads compared to waffle and regular smooth foam pads ?
Hex pads supposedly spread the polish more and cause less to go longer. Whether or not that is true is another story
Is it true da will not burn edges? Because some people are saying to be careful when polishing edges even with da polisher but you are saying with da there is no risk of burning edges
Hey Luke, I’m new to paint Correction (Interiors were my main thing). Got a polisher, LC pads and HD Speed. Now although I got great results I could see faint ‘buffer trails’. I wasn’t putting pressure down ..... any idea why and also how to prevent this again?
Hi Luke - Feel free to correct me on this... Yestallbobo, I think you will find that this is because; 1. Product, Use a good quality 'single step' compound (good for beginners). 2. Don't rush, be patient and let the compound and machine have time to do the work.
3. Keep your pad clean. Blow or brush the pad clean regularly. (I sometimes have my vacuum handy to clean my pad without messing up the clients garage.)
I find sometimes, especially on black cars, I'll check my work and go over any little buffer trails I might have left behind with a smooth 'finishing' polish instead of compound.
I'm still not the best at this (hence watching the video) but practice and you'll get there 👍
Thanks again Luke
Thanks for the advice Easy Az Car Cleaning what would you call a “Good Quality” single step? Luke & other influential Detailers raved about HD Speed hence why I bought it.
I actually did move this speed (shown in Luke’s vid) as I watched hours of Correction vids before buying.
Also even when I went over the trails to get rid of em, in the process new ones would replace the old 🤦🏼♂️
@@yestallbobo HD Speed (now 3D Speed) is a good quality product. There are so many variables to consider. But if you are seeing them on various types of cars, it could very well be technique. No offense. It really is hard to pinpoint without doing a test spot. Curious, what LC pads are u using?
BB Detailing it was the LC orange cutting pads on a MaxShine M15 polisher. Also it was on a heavily oxidized black Honda that the Correction was done on. Swapped between 3pads for the entire car and used a microfiber cloth to wipe all the gunk out in between. Wash and clayed beforehand; car wasn’t wax for atleast 6years, performed everything in the shade (hope all this gives an idea)
Hey, both guys have given GREAT advice... the only thing I would add is this: what you may be seeing is not buffer tracts, but swirl marks that are now more pronounced because they are sitting on a shiny, lustrous background, because the paint is now popping thanks to the polishing and the HD speed, but because HD speed is a more light cutting polish, its not fixing all of the swirls, so when you are doing there are still some there, and now you can REALLY see them. I cannot say if this is what is happening for sure, but it definitely might be
How many passes do you do in one section? I can never get a clear answer of what is the "GO-TO" passes to make doing this?
I bought a Kobalt 24 volt 1 the other day because I’m in the ecosystem, I just hope it works ok, going to try using 1 for the 1st time ever to get scuffs/scratches out of the wife’s CRV, she hit a pylon 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏻♂️
How do you get dried compound out of chips and pit marks? it turns white and looks worse
Luke.....Am I your father, was your mom on the SS Galileo in the mid 80s thru 90s?
How do you know how many passes to make with a polisher
I tend to move the polisher too fast but it drives me nuts to go so slow! I try to make up for it by making more passes and it seems to work well for me.
Good! That may work hahaha
Only difference I can think of, as an amateur myself, is that moving fast and doing more passes would create less heat. I think sometimes for hard euro paints, a little bit of heat can help. Alternatively, I've seen Dallas say that you can use less polish, like 2 dots instead of 3 to achieve more heat.
Was just focused on you denting the hood for the first couple minutes lol
I noticed the first two passes were nice and slow and then the second two passes were much faster? Why? Does the faster passes at the end cause the polish to finish better? TIA!
Something that I'm not clear yet is which pads to use how do you determine which one to use?
Have several on hand. Doing test spots will guide you to what works good/best on the car you are working on.
Yep! Keep experimenting! That's what I do! I try to test as many pads as I can
Love the vids...keep it up. Dude, you got to sell those shirts on your web site!
Thank you so much man!! I will work on that for sure!!!
Some great information and tips here. Would have saved me a whole lot of time and trouble had I watched this ten years ago as a beginner! 👍👌✌
I'll mention something I see a lot, and was guilty of myself, is working too large of a section. It can cause the compound to dry out before it's worked completely, or an arm speed that is too fast trying to manage it. Not efficient either way. 18"x18" should be the maximum section size for beginners, in my experience anyway.
Residue control is also huge! You need to use the proper amount of product and blow out and/or brush your pads frequently between sections. It will perform better, with less dust and sling, and yield better results. Your pads will also last much longer. Claying before you polish helps a lot as well. Too much downward pressure will also destroy pads in a hurry.
Finally, I must say, back when I first started out, I absolutely burned the hell out of an edge on a Ford F150 using only a Harbor Freight DA, M105 and a common orange cutting pad. Can't get more entry level than that. Very important to always work mindfully on edges when compounding, regardless of equipment configuration..
All very good input! I’d encourage people to read this!
@@wilsonautodetailing thanks man! 😀
I've watched a few of your videos and you seem quite experienced using ONR/rinseless wash. What do you think of the air injection thing? Using an air compressor and a paint gun to pre-soak and apply it? Worth it? It's a LOT of extra equipment to carry if you're mobile versus a simple pump sprayer..
Awesome
nice job sir i had to put you on half speed to follow speech so quick speaking
What would the difference be between the rupes big foot and the griots? Horsepower. I’m confused.
Themachine size, more power, less or no vibration and noise. One is a random orbital, the other is a dual action isolating type polisher.
@@dossegundos7145 There both dual action, the rupes machine has a much larger throw as opposed to the griots having a much less throw.
remus421 yes, some people may have an issue with the types or names being used, perhaps random orbital is a different way of describing a DA ( I'm not a polisher gut knowledge expert) the bottom line is both isolate or do not use force rotation. I mentioned more power with a longer throw in mind, several Bigfoot models, 3 levels of higher power machines than the griots.
Which Griot's and which Rupes? They both offer models in 21mm stroke, 15mm stroke, as well as others. Rupes also offers a forced rotation machine. But bottom line, it really comes down to user preferences (or cost!). Both brands are good
I would say the simplest way to say it is that the rupes is going to deliver FAR more power, FAR more throw, and FAR less vibrations.... it makes for way more correcting capabilities
I have the 3in one and when I use the finishing pad it stalls when I’m literally just using the weight of it
nick drop that one and get the 6” as well use a 3” pad. The 3” Griots is weak, it is good for headlight restoration and small spot enhancements that’s it imo
VinceAlinceAble SRT headlights are what I use it for but the finishing pad is so soft that it creates to much friction when trying to use it
Hi I have just purchased a auto care Duel action orbital polisher but all other polishers I've owned have just had the fluffy pads. But this one has a mixture of sponge pads and fluffy pads. How do I no what pad to use and what for 👍
I'm trying to get into polishing now. It just seems to me that at speed movements do slow that it would take me an entire day to finish a one step? How long should it take for a regular sized sedan?
It just depends man! Different paint, polish, polisher, pads, and your experience will determine all of that. I wouldnt be afraid! Jump in!
Not to mention all that pressure turning pads into a crumbly mess. Great video! Love the Griots machines
So true!
how do you deal with dusting
Sam710 buy sonax or polish angel polish products. Zero dusting
LMAO....@4:39 I am not moving faster than this...@8:09 he looks like the FLASH.
So what happens on a vertical surface like a door? Not so easy huh?
I feel after using DA for so long I'd be better with a rotary for some reason. DA is slow and i am inpatient.
The links are not working 😕
How come you didn’t use the Maxshine? I was going to buy the Griots, now looking at Maxshine instead based on your last review, but now wondering whether Griots is the way to go since you are using it for your demonstration (and you didn’t put it as a link to the products you use). Have you changed your mind about the Maxshine being the best DA polisher for a beginner (at this price point)?
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The Griot's 6" is good. Get different backing plates (3" and 5") and matching pads, and you can do plenty
No i still recommend the max shine, I just used the griots here because I thought it would help explain what I was talking about here
@@wilsonautodetailing Thanks!!
When you are trying to become polisher itself :)))))))
revoloutions and oscillations, thats the words you are looking for