Libertarian Caller Tries To Out-wit Sam Seder
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- čas přidán 21. 08. 2024
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I never get tired of hearing a libertarian rediscover why government exists
I agree with that sentiment, because it’s hilarious to watch, but I _do_ actually get tired after awhile, hearing these copy-pasted, cookie cutter clowns, stumbling around in the dark, fumbling and stuttering with their own words, constantly trying to search their memories on the spot for whatever _“enlightened” rich white guy_ they’re watching or listening to.
Though of course, how else would we deprogram these (obviously low information/misinformed) people without engaging with them? That’s part why I love Sam. He honestly has SO MUCH more patience than I would have with guys like these lol
I do, it seems like with every new generation we’re having to reiterate what older generations have known for decades.
My question is, does this represent a failure of our public school system? Because I learned this shit in middle school. How is it that 20 somethings are still in the dark about this?
@@realzachfluke1 I guess I was a little nervous and that made me a little less articulate.
All I said that I was a Libertarian. The only thing I fleshed out was that I believed in property rights, no regulations nor minimum wage.
I did facepalm when he asked me what community I had in mind and I responded with something that had nothing to do with the question. I'm not tone deaf towards my social mistakes and hopefully I can improve.
If you have any questions about the debate just let me know.
@Adrumpf Twittler What is the process of cleaning water?
@Adrumpf Twittler No! I'm mean the actual physical mechanics of cleaning water.
"I'm a libertarian..."
*proceeds to advocate for state seizure of land*
that wasn't it at all but nice try
@@desertsand8778 actually it was spot on.
@@123Patrick actually it wasn't at all.
@@desertsand8778 it actually was.
@@ganginfr4923 it actually wasn't
We shouldn’t have a big government, but we should have a “central authority” that does all the things the government does. Got it.
Central authority.. aka local government
it's called Communism LOL
Based. Let's call it a Central Committee and appoint a Chairman. Let a thousand flowers bloom.
More than that, let’s have all aspects of government in every town… all deciding every local grievance.
Imagine the shit show that would be trade and logistics.
Made me lol when he said “well if the people don’t like the car companies refusing to put safety measures in, then they should band together and enforce those measures” 🤦♂️
"If someone wanted to do something bad I'd just say no" is essentially this guy's whole argument against regulations
if you came with your armed militia and your oil rig i would simply deny you access to my land. good luck getting around that :)
@@mtlewis973 one shotgun will totally stop a well armed militia. 😂
Access denied. 😂😂😂
@@mtlewis973 RIP to the Native Americans but I'm different :)
never heard an old worker call up, argue agst safety regs, pensions.
Getting robbed? Just say no. Marauding gangs cannot legally take your property without your consent
"Calling yourself a libertarian isn't a very nice thing to do to yourself"
Obliterated
🤣🤣🤣
I really don't get their stick!
Is like what do you stand for taxes are theft,free market is the way to go!
Am here like why are this ppl in civilized nation and don't live in the freaking jungle by their logic.
@@Carlos_Jzx either they don't want to start from scratch or they know libertarian ideology is completely ridiculous and would never work in a real world situation.
@Edgehead10075 Because 'free market economy™' sucks for anyone except the very top capitalists?
Yep
[Michael Brooks laughter in the background]
The feels. ☹
"I have a thought experiment for you..."
cackle
thanks i was laughing, now i’m crying
DaFeels
Caller: "I make more than minimum wage and still struggle."
"So you're saying we should raise the minimum wage?"
"No."
That was extremely bizarre. I still don't know why he brought up the minimum wage.
@@ihsahnakerfeldt9280it’s because he defeated his own argument, he’s a moron
Or the wars in the Middle East as to deflect from walking into housing authority 😂😂😂
It took only 12 minutes for the caller to get from “I am a Libertarian” to “I don’t necessarily believe in roads”
“I don’t necessarily believe in roads” may be my favorite libertarian quote of all time, that really gets to the heart of it huh?
I'm just gonna say this.
Roads are seriously unsustainable. We need more trains... No need for these gosh darn unsustainable "roads" that get filled with pot holes. Cars are equally unsustainable.
@@Sh4dxwxz what we really need are jetpacks!
@@Sh4dxwxz I think cars can be sustainable if we electrify and build for durability. Electric also makes cars last longer since they use many fewer parts, and the battery tech is ready for million mile batteries. But I do think you have a valid point that we should use more trains.
@@alexklick4836 If we use cars within a limited amount such as for only rural use and on a, no car ownership principle, it's possible but if we live within cities it isn't possible to make it sustainable. It induces demand to create infrastructure for cars. Social consumerism is driven towards car ownership when everyone has them. However the biggest problem is the induced demand that the infrastructure creates.
@@alexklick4836 cars should be rented as and when they are needed. Carpooling should be mandatory. Riding a bike for most journeys is doable within densely populated areas. We should. Multiple days of the week we're driving unless commercial is flat out banned. Public transport needs a big upgrade.
This guy clearly thinks he's quite a bit more clever than he actually is.
A universal truth about right-wing libertarians...
the dunning kruger effect
Like all libertarians of his ilk.
@Heisenberg-SchrodingerEmc2 the school of dunning kruger is what it should be called😂
@Edgehead10075 Nah, there's just a sweet dirt hill down the street he wants to jump his dirt bike from
That's the base of his whole ideology
This guy strikes me as one who doesn't like regulations but when something goes wrong he's the first one crying why that happened to him
so just an average libertarian?
So it sounds like dude became a full libertarian because someone broke his window and didn't pay for it.
Haha
But the window anecdote contradicts his ideology. It should have pushed him away from libertarianism.
@@ihsahnakerfeldt9280 Yes - it took the BIGGER state government to resolve the issue that the smaller city government would not. His smaller government ideology fell flat on its face in that story.
Sam is the final boss for libertarians. They all await the chosen one who can take the sword out of the stone. Some have tried. None succeed.
😂😂😂😂
Hahah! 😂
Someone needs to make an indie game like this
Abandon all hope, ye libertarians who enter here
@Pfiehbd Djofjrh when?
he just replaced the word "government" with "community"
When he says he believes in "small government" he literally means *SMALL* government LMAO! It's not about limited involvement of government, it's just that the government is smaller, like the size of your neighborhood, and therefore has even greater direct control over your life as if your neighbors all don't like you, this "community" can do whatever the hell they want.
@@isaiahphillip4112 Dude is for MORE government that fixes his window and punishes golf courses, and LESS government that regulates "car flipping." It's very specific and we wouldn't understand it, but also definitely a generalizable world view.
@@isaiahphillip4112 we have this thing called “municipal”,”state”,”federal “
Government 😂
Yeah…. It already exists
"I'm small community"
@@RunForPeace-hk1cu yeah we do, but what they do can be challenged by bigger government.
I love how he first acts like he has all the time in the world to learn to be an electrician so he can do his own home inspection in lieu of building codes, but then later in his golf ball story he exclaims he doesn’t have time for solving it.
Libertarian world: everybody should be the master of everything so they don't get screwed over in the absence of a central authority and regulation - of which we have now, and of which has worked for hundreds of years.
But what I think he was saying here is that everybody ELSE should extensively learn electicity, HVAC etc. so they don't get screwed over by their libertarian-world landlord - time is no factor. But for him: HIS time is limited.
I love that when a woman jumps into the conversation, he starts to get an attitude lmao
hahahaha true
Haha, yeah, I regret how I treated her. Shes cool though
This argument sounded soo much better in his mind when he was stoned with his mates...
@Johnny Fishfingers I think you're right. Weed doesn't make stupid, it opens up and slows down. It shows absurdities you hadn't seen before.
Alcohol does what is described above, making what goes on in your mind seem way more interesting than it is.
Haha, yes.
Herman M
Weed makes logical reasoning much harder in my experience
can you specify which ideas were dumb?
@@NN-sp9tu Weed makes me more perceptive than I normally am; like I'll notice things I normally wouldn't and make connections between things easier; but at the same time, it makes thinking contemporaneously more difficult.
*Sam:* _"Last caller.."_
*Caller:* _"I'm a Libertarian..."_
*Brendan:* _"How does this happen every time..."_ 😛😂😂
Sounded like Brendan was hoping to get out early. 🤣
jamie's face bursting with excitement as the guy say "I'm a libertarian"
The caller really didn't get how happy he made Sam :-)
@@Daneelro most libertarians think that they won the debate
END THE FED AND ERASE THE PUBLIC SECTOR
ABOLISH DEMOCRACY AND HUMAN RIGHTS
PRIVATIZE AND DEREGULATE HEAVEN AND EARTH
CORPORATE NEO-FEUDALISM NOW!
caller: "my wages aren't enough to cover all my bills, and that sucks."
Sam: "maybe we should raise minimum wage then?"
caller: "what? no, i wont advocate for that!"
Comedy Gold.
Whatever happened to those bootstraps - huh libertarian?
i still cant get over how he laughs at Sam for not knowing what a living wage is in every city
And then Sam relies on some “soothsayer” to tell him.
His fake forced laughter after the fact was the most cringe thing about the entire call.
He was hoping to bamboozle Sam on the call and laughed at every point when he thought he had.
By that point he was feeling stupid and was looking for anything, I think
That was actually Vivek Rameswamy
“I’m a libertarian, I believe in limited government ”
**starts expanding government where he sees fit**
"I dislike everything government does, except for the specific things it does that have helped me in the last 12 months"
@@theferrit32 "I dislike everything government does, except for the specific things it does that protect my property since I'm scared of all the immigrants"
I think I already established a limited government.
@@etherealturmoil no?
"Just make an organization that can figure that out"
We did. It's called government.
The government requires force. That's the difference moron lol
@@Kirboe111 so I guess all the countries that didn't have that force weren't countries 🙄
@@Kirboe111 Oh shut up. Anyone who would comment that believes that ONLY the government can force you to do something and they would only think that because they're entitled.
If I have to provide another profit to survive than I'm as much FORCED to provide said profit as the government requires, if not moreso.
@@Kirboe111 and what would an organization do that has no power to protect anyone?
@@Kirboe111 if you rights are violated by other individuals (gangs, militia, etc), how would a libertarian gov protect you rights without use of force?
The libertarian ideology just falls apart when you ask "what about X." They say, "well ok a little bit of government can do that." Just keep doing that and you have the government we have now.
Which I didn't do in this argument
@@desertsand8778are you the caller!!?!
The living wage argument was one of the most hilarious and pathetic bits ever. That copium laugh... My God 😬😬😬
Some libertarian "jibber jabber" in a time like this is what the doctor ordered.
I pity the fools.
Brendan's remark at the beginning was priceless. I love this show, but its hard to listen to the libertarian debates because it's just not fair. We already know Sam will wipe the floor with them. They still keep coming though.
Well said! XD
AMEN
Take whatever road you want to the Library, what you're talking about is JIBBA' JABBER!
“You’d decide that as a community”
You know, like some sort of centralized entity comprised of experts chosen by the people. We could call it a government.
GENIUS
hahaha, reminds me of the South Park hippie episode.
For a second there it sounded like he was going to accidentally argue for something resembling anarcho syndicalism
Thanks. That was VERY funny. And totally true.
It's just a collection of people, you know, it could be 20 households or it could be, say, 300 million.
Great post!!!
"Im different from every libertarian caller because i want no government, but the community gets together to decide what happens, just like a government, but no government" - every libertarian caller
I swear to god, every single time a caller goes "I'm a Libertarian" Sam makes the funniest face. It's always a unique face too, but it conveys the same perfect feeling of "Oh god damnit, here we go."
_"If you don't have money, you burn"_
That could be the official Libertarian motto. It explains their entire philosophy.
Their motto should be "government tyranny bad, corporate tyranny good"
@@AnArchyRulzz DON'T TREAD ON ME UNLESS YOU'RE NAMED REEBOK NIKE OR SKECHERS
@@AnArchyRulzz Libertarians are actually very pro-small business, we're the type of people to shop at local stores instead of Target or support the competition to big corporations.
@@dayniel2 and then vote to make it harder for those local stores to exist.
@@dayniel2 oh yeah, you're so pro-small business that you're also pro-collusion, monopoly, and oligopoly. Lmfao please.
Libertarians: we don't need government because we can band together as groups of people to exert power. Say no to government, say yes to groups of people.
Lmao no more governments! Just groups of people governing
Marauder bands
Nice Strawman there buddy.
libertarianism is not anarchism
wtf are you talking about, veln is right, ridiculous strawman. no libertarian wants to exert power over people, the ideology fundamentally supports the opposite, let people live as they wish.
This is the most confused guy I have ever heard. I think he just decided this morning that I will be a libertarian.
Sad thing is he thinks he is smart
What I love most about Libertarians, is if you calmly and patiently ask them reasonable questions, they ALWAYS end up back with existing government.
“If you think lemon law is something we need then you should start an organization” um yeah that’s the government
This guy is so determined to miss every single point. It's almost awe-inspiring.
His parents told him he could be anything he wanted to be. Too bad he decided to be politically illiterate.
His usage of the word 'complicit' might have been my favorite thing.
I like how vapid people like you are when criticizing people. mind if you demonstrate some intelligence and explain what points were missed?
@@desertsand8778 out of sheer curiosity, do you deal with a lot of call quality issues?
@@desertsand8778 Says the guy who is qualifying people of "vapid" while basing his critic over one commentary... how ironic. And if you aren't able to identify all the points missed by the caller (OP already said "every single point" BTW) then the onus to justify at least one point that was correctly addressed by the caller is on you.
For any non-utopist libertarian, all these points are pretty self-explanatory.
Libertarians want to be socialists with out the responsibility of being a socialist.
They want to have the revolutionary aesthetic of the Left without actually being revolutionary. Or to put it simply, Republicans who smoke weed.
They want a clean house but they're not willing to take out the trash. They want electricity but consider paying the bill to be abusive. They basically just want a society of entitled babies who live off their parents.
This guy clearly lives with his parents and him dad picked his car out for him. That or he's got some old Camaro that's not firing on all cylinders, but he likes the noise.
Me trumps you and might is right.
@@patiotaiza They are what they claim leftist are basically
"Libertarians are like house cats: absolutely convinced of their fierce independence while utterly dependent on a system they don't appreciate or understand."
😂💯
Basically women. 😂
@@Johnny.Brahvo Women are statistically more educated and have higher paying jobs than men today.
They are independent and that number is growing.
@@elloowu6293 you keep telling yourself that. They are the majority in collecting child support and alimony. Nothing “strong and independent “ about that.
This argument won’t matter btw. I’ll win and the majority report will delete it
When Sam started talking about the oil company strong-arming its way into the caller's land, he was getting into a problem that Nozick talked about, and even Nozick ultimately concluded that a libertarian state still needs a public police force and court system to resolve civil disputes. The caller should have known that, but like most self-professed libertarians I know, he hasn't even read the seminal works of the political philosophy he purports to follow.
Libertarianism is, ironically, an ideology only possible to develop after you’ve obliviously grown up with all the safety and opportunity provided by a centralized government.
Wrong. Government comes after. But you're too stupid to understand that lol.
@@Kirboe111 can you actually explain what was incorrect? You just saying someone is wrong and calling them stupid is what I would expect someone who doesn't know what they are talking about would say.
@@Kirboe111 government comes after what?
@@Kirboe111 an adult man using LOL should mean banishment on political franchise of said individual.
Yep. They have all these laws and codes in place to protect them so they think people just naturally don't do fucked up things and those laws and codes are unnecessary not realizing people's greed in a capitalist society turns them into monsters
I imagined Michael Brooks laughing in the background and doing his incredibly funny impressions. Rest in Power Michael Brooks!!!!
Even to this date, it feels weird to know that we won't be able to see him on the show.
This one of the things I miss most about him, his laughter was so infectious and his mocking of libertarians was soooooo funny.
He would be fucking cackling, you wouldn't be able to hear anything for a second, and the caller would get awkwardly for a few seconds. Sam would wave him off and try to not start laughing himself. He is missed.
Micheal would have been laughing his ass off at this clown
I’ve certified as an engineer, electrician, plumber and mechanic to make sure I can safely assess my house, car and workplace. I get out of my car, walk down every road before I return and drive down it so I can inspect that the roads are safely made. I’ve also started my first year in medical school while also paying out of pocket for classes on fire safety to make sure my health is in great shape.
My water utility bill comes from Affordable Water Limited. Their water has been poisoned with lead and due to a lack of intervention from outside influence and a lack of diligence from the company, I am afflicted with this poisoning, due to being too lazy and stupid to sign up for a class in testing my tap water. I’m placed in an unmarked grave because my family is too embarrassed to admit that their relative is the guy who trusted that his water supply was fine.
Are you a certified hydrologist, sir? SIR?!
These hosts deserve a medal for being so respectful and not talking over the "callers"
"I'm a Libertarian"
"Okay, what about the fire department?"
"No, get rid of it."
"Building safety codes?"
"No, no need."
"The police?"
"Oh yeah, we need that."
"The government reclaiming privately-owned land?"
"Sure, sometimes."
"Safety regulations for cars?"
"No, no need. The businesses won't do bad things."
Lol. What idiosyncratic nonsense is this???
"businesses won't do bad things."
you mean like child labor and lead based paint?
or maybe dumping sewage in fresh water sources and sweatshops.
@PremierSportingKC
Libertarian nonsense, of course.
"I *DO* believe in *the MILITARY* "
Lol ive never heard a libertarian say they were so in favor of governmental control of land ownership.
@@veenoir1991 if a left leaning person were to say that the government should seize unused private property they would immediately be called a communist by any right winger or centrist.
“Are you an electrician?”
“Somewhat, I’ve done some electronics”
Put the soldering iron away, bud. This mindset alone kills people every year.
rofl
Lmao, people lead you to believe things are hard because they wasted years of their life learning it when in reality most things are easy.
@@diesel92kj1 Thanks for being a perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect
@@diesel92kj1 I had to rewire an entire floor of my home because we found out that the ignorant DIY'er who previously owned the place ran SPEAKER WIRE between a lot of the switches and fixtures.
Mind you I'm not against DIY. If you can install a $3 outlet by yourself so you don't have to pay an electrician $100-$150 to do it, I'm all for that. I used to do that all the time when I was younger to help my parents save money. But if you're going to wire an entire new build you best study up on the NEC basics, or else some poor slob down the road is going to pay for any mistake you make. I know we certainly had to. Don't be like that jackass who confused the lights for the sound system.
@@Felamine Agree, do your research.
Dude really thought he had something with the living wage comment. "Oh you haven't memorized the minimum living wage calculation for every city in America, but you think *my* ideas are half-baked?!"
Libertarians are the embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Had a terrible week. Family bereavement. A libertarian caller in to the show has made me smile again.
Johnny Guillotine thank you kind sir
I’ve had a shit week too man. This cheered me up!
Chin up mate 🙂
My condolences to you and your family ❤️ Say, was it ever confirmed that Sargon's grandfather really is black? He said he is mixed in his most recent conversation with Destiny
This caller doesn't cheer me up because I realize he votes Trump and breeds. Or, maybe he just doesn't cheer me up because of clinical depression. I'm open to different theories.
"I'm a libertarian, I don't want any government involvement, except for the military, and the police, and property rights, to be honest, I just don't like anything that helps the poor." - every "libertarian".
They're so... narrow with their definition for government roles. And they never seem to convincingly articulate exactly why those roles and nothing else.
Just want government brown shirts to enforce property rights for my apartments daddy left me
All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
Nice summary. They certainly believe in the survival of the fittest or the luckiest.
Siri, what’s a strawman fallacy?
This sounds like every rich kid who just found Ayn Rand.
You mean every 11 year old
I like how his golfball example ends up making a case for the current level of government authority.
Libertarians are so good at the “I’m insecure and you’re winning the argument, but I still wanna sound confident” laugh
The problem is that they think if they stay on the attack, they can appear to be winning.
@@ridjenite Probably because they watch too much Ben Shapiro XD
Everybody does this. Libertarians are wrong so often though its basically how they argue
Define "good at" lol
And the long “okaaaayy” while they think of a way to shift the goal post or change the subject.
As usual Sam Seder puts on a clinic and demonstrates the silliness of Libertarianism.
When libertarians stop using public roads, I will start to take them seriously. Until then, I will assume they are just posing as rebels without anything to back up their own self indulgence.
OMG, when they actually go and live somewhere that works as they want, then I would respect them more. Pretty much everywhere I go today, I’ll be using stuff built and maintained by the government. These people are crackers. And I think if you dig down they all think the same thing, I only want government when they are doing what I want
21:11
when the caller says his community is a gang
Sedar: "almost like feudalism right?"
LMAO
I love how this guy honestly believes a group of 50 guys with guns showing up to a town of 20 houses to have a gun battle over a property dispute is a better alternative to what we currently have
“do u believe in building codes” “noo not really”
*cut to 2021 Miami condo collapse that left over 150 people dead or unaccounted for*
this is the future libertarians dream about
Yes it didn't age well
I mean his full stupidifty was on display. from this conversation, his stance would be that those 150 people didn't do there research. they should have gone to engineering school and gotten a degree in structural engineering. then canvased the whole condo before buying one....so really it's all their fault
@@allyabernathy4098 Their wet dream is a dystopian nightmare.
I would think that if you truly want a “do what you want as long as it doesn’t hurt someone else” kind of country than a building being built poorly and collapsing and killing people would be against that belief.
When you ask libertarians how they are going to achieve the benefits of regulation in a free market, it always comes back to "i suppose we would need some sort of publicly funded community entity that would enforce an acceptable standard of checks and balances on human action".
Libertarians just assume their version of a government is better without even imagining how it would work.
This man thinks the more he says "ok" the more he's winning.
"Okaaay."
A used car salesman Libertarian. The perfect combination.
Rivaled only perhaps by the libertarian landlord...
"I have always found it quaint and rather touching that there is a movement [Libertarians] in the US that think Americans are not yet selfish enough."
- Christopher Hitchens
Thank you for that quote, it made me laugh. Hitchens was truly a gift to humanity.
@@user-ic4ce8xb5v he most definitely was NOT, but he has his moments.
@@hmt4173 He did pretty great exposes of Mother Teresa, Kissenger, and the Clintons.
Funny thing is, Libertarians are not selfish. They are the opposite and they hate the idea of their charity money being wasted through the filters and bureaucracy of government. The selfish are the folks who think it is okay to use the force of government to steal from some to fund their charities.
@@DarkHorseSki ok bud
Just popping in to say this libertarian's version of libertarianism is... co-op communities helping each other protect their communities co-owning and co-operating their properties and companies and co-regulating their industries. I could have sworn there was a name for that type of government, but geez if I haven't forgotten.
“Government is bad but we should seek to establish a strong central authority to settle disputes and ensure order in our communities, but government is bad” -Libertarians
Furthermore, what happens when a rival consolidates power to the point that they can rival your local government? George Washington answered this question over two centuries ago by replacing the articles of confederation
Caller: “Hi I’m a libertarian”
Sam & Jamie: “👁👄👁”
These libertarian people all sound like they have exactly zero world experience.
Hey, this guy's been through hardship. Didn't you hear his heartbreaking story about a golf ball breaking his window?
They all believe they exist as singular islands all to themselves.
I've never heard anyone talk out of both sides of their mouth like this dude..
@@noneya3864 Solipsism.
@@voxomnes9537 Yes, although solipsism is too fancy a word for these twits. They're developmentally stunted children.
As a former libertarian nothing makes me cringe more than hearing a libertarian smugly laugh over scoring what only they perceive as a win lol
"Do you believe in building codes?"
"Naah not really"
Lmao this is why everyone laughs at libertarians
"I don't necessarily believe in roads."
I'm just finally glad a libertarian admitted it! Usually they're like "well, it'll just work out."
That's a shame. Roads believe in you.
That reminded me of the guy who said "I know how to operate a road" after the police man told him to get on the sidewalk.
Is this the same guy?
@@tmikeb28 🤣🤣🤣
Where we’re going we don’t NEED ROADS!!
This is why libertarians usually share their opinions through one sentence memes.
Lol true, it sounds good until u make them explain more,then u relized they ate just spoiled kids who don't want to be told what to do
They're just gun nuts who hate taxes
Libertarians ARE memes lol
@@sgh94644
Based. Why is that a problem?
To be fair, ask any random person to defend any of his beliefs and you will find that he is not a great speaker for his cause...
New drinking game: every time Jamie starts blinking because her BS meter is going off, take a shot!
I passed out 5 minutes in 😂.
"I'm a libertarian who's pro personal liberties and property rights but I also support a strong centralized police force acting in the interest of the highest bidder"
No not even close
Caller: "I'm a Libertarian."
Sam Seder: "At first you had my curiosity. Now you have my attention."
"I'm this *insert ideology name*"
First question is asked...
"Ummmm, uhhhh, well..."
the eye brow raise followed by the lean back in the chair
He lives in California. We've just had the worst wildfire season ever. I would've debated him on whether he truly believes that only people who can pay for a fire department should get to be saved. Do guys like him even realize that in their quest for "perfect individual freedom" they become really barbaric?
No, and I honestly don't have much faith in them to eventually realize it either. Half the time, I just don't want to hear their nonsense anymore.
This is the caller here. Unfortunately, us Californians can't really rely on the fire department to do much with the fires that are happening in the mountain areas. we can only prevent them from hitting the cities and residential areas by control burning. Funny enough, you're not allowed to do that on your own in the state of California and I believe that has caused some damage.
@Kieran Kinney I understand why they don't let you, but not letting people resulted with our fires anyways.
The fact that your telling me that Australia has these stipulations like California proves my point, because both areas have suffered from massive wildfires.
That being said, I agree you need to be competent when dealing with burning. I'd suggest a co-op with people that do know what they are doing to lead the community to control burn. You don't need a centralized bureaucracy for this to happen.
@@desertsand8778 >That being said, I agree you need to be competent when dealing with burning. I'd suggest a co-op with people that do know what they are doing to lead the community to control burn. You don't need a centralized bureaucracy for this to happen.
you mean like a volunteer fire station?
those don't exist anymore because our society became so service industry based that most don't have time to go sit around or train, they need to work 8-10 hours a day :\
we had to make people do it with incentives.
like wages.
@@felicityc experience there's nothing wrong with making a business model out of control burning.
“Try to make sure there’s not too much carbon monoxide in my apartment.” Ok thanks.
The more he laughs the weaker his already flimsy ''argument'' becomes. He knows he has been flattened.
Lol this guy is literally Dave Rubin. He's like, government sucks, here is a way in which government was super helpful.
@@chuck1prillaman yes. From California, and is accidentally left wing
@@chuck1prillaman dude, petty much?
No way, this guy actually engaged with the _ideas_ more than dave rubin is ever willing to do...
still pretty dumb tho...
This the guy that tried to outwit Sam. I didn't say anything about government sucking. I was arguing that more autonomy should be held by municipalities, mainly when it comes to business and property relationship. Sam just kept on harping my property rights idea to where I really couldn't flesh out my ideas. But it's cool I admit the conversation was cringe and the laughing exacerbated it.
Sam: “I needed this”. I think we all needed this.
The only disappointing thing was Sam didn’t ask him why he wants to abolish age of consent and child labor laws.
He touched on child labor laws with a libertarian before...
It was a pathetic argument that had no foundation. As usual.
@Johnny Fishfingers God why is USA like a third world country.
@Johnny Fishfingers great explanation, thx. I think Incels need our pity as much as some kind of reprehension.
END THE FED AND ERASE THE PUBLIC SECTOR
ABOLISH DEMOCRACY AND HUMAN RIGHTS
PRIVATIZE AND DEREGULATE HEAVEN AND EARTH
CORPORATE NEO-FEUDALISM NOW!
@Johnny Fishfingers wow thank you for your comment
"Who wrote it!?" I lose my shit all over this statement 🤣
The chick on the right is my spirit animal when she goes into not knowing wtf the caller is getting at with the minimum wage. And Sam just focusing on the minutiae whilst we're waiting for the answer is killing me. Love that guy.
Where have the libertarians been in supporting the protests against police?
Siding with police
Sitting in the basement complaining.
Well keep in mind maybe the original sin for them was the disenfranchisement of the black chattel capitalists (in their minds - there was usually plenty of recompense).
One of the thing he said that government should do is police to protect property rights. So property is more important than people.
@Edgehead10075
No, he specifically mentioned police as existing solely to ensure property rights. No mention of them needing to ensure human rights.
If their purpose is property rights before all and not human rights, then they don't exist to ensure human rights.
It's kind of a beautiful thing to see someone create an entire ideology to cope with the fact that a golf course broke a few of their windows lol.
😂😂
It's actually kind of hilarious that is house is situated next to a golf course where this can happen. Like hopefully his house was a little cheaper to cope with that downside
Lmao he should make a movie about how he beat the golf course in court lmaoooo
"I love libertarianism " cites the exact example of why libertarianism would never work. Insanity
@@piotrbartnicki1308 bet you dime's to donuts that the golf course owner is buddies with the city manager and the chief of police. "I love libertarianism"
Was funny when he somehow blamed the renter for the landlord saving money by poorly wiring the electrical
Well why didn't the renter go get an electrician diploma and then do a full analysis of the wiring of the home before renting? Sounds lazy to me.
@whatsupinspace854 Lmao this is the level of delusion we're dealing with here.
The caller is so condescending. I appreciate you actually engaging this troll for as long as you did. I'm afraid i would have walked away ten minutes in....
He is a liberatardarian. They always think they are better... funny how they are all entitled assholes. I used to live along a golf course, that's not cheap this guy needs help
I dont have much time to talk to someone about golfballs smashing my window, but I do have enough time to become an electrician, a plumber, a mechanic, a carpenter, a seamstress, a construction worker, a food standards worker, a water inspector ...
Right? Lmao
This guy would be very alarmed by water quality if we dropped EPA requirements.
I say give these guys exactly what they want. Put them on an island, let them create their libertarian utopia, and watch how quickly it all falls apart.
@@SymbiSpidey Exactly.
Absolutely brilliant. This guy is a knucklehead. 🤦🏻♂️
This fricking guy. Bless his heart.
He continues to say central authority when Sam backs him into a corner. Does he not realize a government is a central authority?
This is just a classic. There's such an incredible mix of insufficient advance thought + excessive self-regard.
"There should be an authority within the community"
SO A GOVERNMENT, THEN ????
Um no.
I said I was for limited government. Why do people keep on bringing this up? I swear Sedar's audience's IQ is lower than change in my pocket
@@desertsand8778 They are merely pointing out that you keep rediscovering how the different gov apparatus came to be in the first place....but you should have done that at the library
@@desertsand8778
because you repeatedly create a need for a government of some sort in nearly all your answers.
Really, that's one of the big downfalls of the libertarian stance. Government is something that mostly comes out of necessity when groups of people live together.
The entertainment for us comes from the fact that even though you yourself create government several times in your answers yo still don't see it.
@@MuaddibIsMe Well... we don't have a system where property is honored. They are permitted. That's a huge difference. I understand that cities and counties already have the authority to deal with property rights. I even mentioned the reality of it as well. A city where I live has given ownership of vacant land to a person but I disagree with that ownership because it's blatant usury. That is the caveat.
Meanwhile, my whole conversation with Seder was like this
Seder: What's 2 + 2?
Me: It's 4!
Sam: Don't you think there's a mechanism where people already know that!?
Me: .................
Jamie- "it's like chicken soup for the Seder soul"
You can tell he's having a panic attack as soon as he starts cackling and trying to change the subject completely
It's feels almost intentional for most libertarians to conflate private property and personal property. It always comes back to Stalin coming for your toothbrush.
I have never met a "libertarian" who thought about their position past being selfish.
These are people who struggle with object permanence
@@t2k777 Yeah I don't think I'm a great example based on this segment. 😁
I'm really not that selfish. I actually do want to decipher life to get better and wealthier for the general public, just like any other progressive.
@@desertsand8778 Clearly, you're not ill-intentioned. You would 100% be a leftist if you read more into what we advocate. Go read theory.
@@SaurianSavior I've read Joseph Proudhon Property is Theft.
The irony of Libertarianism is that only people living within the comfort and security provided by a centralized government can conceive of it.
You could argue the same about industrialized capitalism being a necessary prerequisite for imagining socialism. Funny ironies like that
@@damaniwilson7933 How so?
@@hodgepodge2749 It's a reference to the theory that the tools of capitalism will be what is used to build socialism. If socialism is to take root in the world capital has created, what else would but the tools of capitalism would be used to bring it about? If socialist values are to win an ideological battle against the current hegemonic individualistic neoliberalism, what would be stronger than an appeal to making good on the heretofore unfulfilled promises of liberal democracy? Or so goes the theory.
@Emeril Lugosi I appreciate your point, and I'm sure we have much to learn from the hunter-gatherers. But most modern conceptions of socialism include mass industrialization, which makes any potential socialist future quite different from however any pre-industrial societies lived. I argue that these imaginings of an alternative mode of production (modern socialist theory) are independent from whatever modes of production or social organization prevailed in hunter-gatherer societies, even if there is overlap. And I argue that the idea of transitioning beyond capitalism is only imaginable within capitalism. This is a framework which accounts for the world capital has created, implementing and co-opting some of its infrastructure. There is a difference between "beyond capitalism" and "outside capitalism". I would put modern socialist theory in the former group, and pre-modern hunter-gatherer societies in the latter.
Yes, but Libertarians are not anarchists.
“Are you an electrician?” “Somewhat”
Lmao what the fuck do you mean somewhat
In this delusional libertarian world I could take over as long as I discard all ethics.
I always love how relaxed Sam is when he is debating these guys.
Dude it’s straight up stress relief for him I feel like
Senpai has practiced.
@@Lightningkuriboh its relieves stress for me to listen
Sam's face when a caller announces that they're a libertarian is so heartwarming. He's like a kid who's learning for the first time that they're going to Chuk-E-Cheese after school
I’ve never heard a libertarian be able to successfully be able to argue their philosophy is even remotely realistic .
Caller: You can't live on $15/hour in California!
Also caller: I'm not going to advocate for a higher minimum wage!
Libertarian: I want limited government.
Leftist: please describe your ideal government.
Libertarian: A fully functioning federal government similar to what we have now.
I love when libertarians accidentally become socialists when talking to Sam.
“It’s a community elective, and we hold each other’s rights and protect them against larger power” ya like socialists
this guy sounds almost identical to a communist at times
"you should only be allowed to own land if you're using it as a means of producing something or for something useful, and that usefulness is decided by the community"
there's a word for that and its not 'libertarian'.
@@loadedpainted7040 the fuzzy feelings behind libertarians make sense, but in actuality they’re just trading an elected voice of the people (in theory, government) holding domain over them and they’re choosing to let powerful (financially, influentially, dangerously, etc) individuals and corporations.
If you could keep lobbying groups and big money out of politics, you’d be way closer to your utopia of freedom than if you let the socially powerful be in charge. Fine, don’t use Facebook - zuck is really going to feel the financial crunch of that lol
Libertarian socialism has entered the chat
I started (literally!) laughing out loud when he began to propagate socialist ideas!! brilliant!!!
@@loadedpainted7040 ikr..I was thinking "that's socialism/communism. Capitalism works best.
A perfect example of an eagle toying with a turkey before it turns it into lunch ;-) But still quite entertaining.
The failure of so many to recognize they've outmatched, outwitted, out debated and under smart never ceases to amaze me. A smart person told me 20 years ago the greatest threat to society is the ignorant.