Landscape Fabric (Weed Control Barrier) What Works and What Doesn't, Advice From A Pro
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Good thing I watched this before buying
Sadly, I did not!
This is good information, and I will buy the other kind. My fabric just fell apart in one year.
Thanks for taking the time to do the comparison. It helped with my decision!
I am glad it was helpful.
Great video! We appreciate you sharing your knowledge and expertise.
Thanks, it's good to hear from pros like yourself. 20 yrs ago I used the cheap one all over my front and backyard, it disintegrated, weeds everywhere. I just purchased a roll 3x300ft of black woven 5oz weed blocker. I will be toping with lava rocks on top. Well done video with the mailbox surround ground cover, I'm convinced.
What company is making 5 oz weed blocker?
Jeff, good job, wish I had known this years ago, it would have saved me hours of work.
Thanks Jeff! Appreciate you testing this for us.
I appreciate you watching.
Great, informative and very helpful video! Thank you!
Thanks for sharing your expertise! Great demo!
That's a re-branded black tarp. Awesome!... You just saved me a gang of money! Thank you!
No, it's NOT. Black TARP has a very thin SOLID plastic adhered to the woven fabric. It does NOT allow water and air through it. The landscape woven fabric IS like the Tarp WITHOUT the solid plastic outer layer.
Great job! Thank you
Thank you !we use the heavier thick fabric seems to do a better job .
Liked the example
Hi, thanks for the great video. I intend to use the woven plastic landscape fabric on a slope with mulch on top. Will it work or will all the mulch wash away
Very helpful 👍
Educational . Thank you
I have experience with both these kinds of weed barrier.
The woven kind last for 20+ years, I believe. Under river rock. I know we had some at least since 2003 that still looks relatively new.
SUMMARY:
FABRIC:
1. Cuts and shapes better,
2. breaks down much faster,
3. tears easily, not compatible with weed eater area.
WOVEN BARRIER:
1. Lasts much longer,
2. doesn't tear when hit with weed eater,
3. best choice for underneath stones/rocks,
4. but frays very fast on cut edges so sometimes difficult to keep frayed edge from showing through along edges.
I tried some of the other kind (the fabric) from Lowe's last couple years. I think here were 3 level of quality/thickness. I chose the middle level. The price went up with the thickness, and since I was experimenting, I chose the middle level.
Luckily, I only used it in the garden area and not under the river rock. I would have been pretty upset had I taken the time to clear some rocks and placed that type under them because I would have had to replace it again within a year or 2.
I liked it because it was easier to cut and shape around plants and bushes. So I selected it go use in a flower garden to keep down the weeds. I had previously put a small patch of woven barrier in a spot and the weeds grew all over it and through it in the garden. It was really difficult to even pull it up because of the weeds. I figured it wasn't so good where the mud can wash over it, so I laid down a bunch of pine cones and gum balls underneat to keep the dirt away from the fabric do a degree. And I used the newly purchased fabric from Lowe's, and placed 2 or 3 inches of mulch on top. It worked great as far as keeping the weeds down in the flower garden.
However, the next year, when I went to move a sheet, it tore in half. This fabric, although easy to cut and shape, breaks down really fast. I am very curious to see it after 2 years this Spring. The woven kind will not tear after 20 years when moving a sheet.
I still like it in the flower garden so far because that garden virtually has no weeds in it this last year and the flowers all came up just as great as ever. I tried this new kind because the older woven type, even though it lasts forever, has 1 quality I hate. When you cut it to fit or shape it into a specific area, the cut edge frays very easily and very noticeable.
So my recommendation you can probably use the fabric in the garden to cut and shape around your plants or to make narrow rows between rows of flowers with the expectation that it may have to be replaced in 2 or 3 years. And place some combo of dead plants, pine cones, gum balls, etc underneath to raise it a little to avoid contact with the soil and to prevent soil from washing over it. Then cover with the mulch of your choice. This has worked great for 2 years now. We'll see if it has to be replaced. I think as long as I don't have to move it, it will be fine again this year.
One other negative to the fabric is that the weed eater tears it up just by coming in contact with it. The woven type withstands the weed eater much better and doesn't tear up nearly as easy. So if using the fabric, make sure not to hit with weed eater even a little.
And definitely use the woven barrier underneath any types of stones or rocks. And try to avoid cutting it as much as possible. The non-cut edges don't fray, so I would rather fold the edges to shape around plants and edges rather than cutting. Only cut when necessary.
Oh! One other recommendation I would suggest for placing weed barrier underneat stones/rocks. Besides using the longer lasting woven type, use 2 layers. Weeds eventually penetrate the 1 layear fairly easily but I believe 2 layers are much better.
I am actually moving a lot of stones this year, to place a second layer. I would definitely use 2 layers if constructing landscape to last for years.
All very good advice@@opocald
A quick note - to prevent fraying, some people use a torch or soldering iron to cut it to melt and seal the edges.
Great video! Was very informative, I’m curious if you have any advice on using a specific type of landscape fabric to get rid of large areas of poison ivy for example bordering a small path I have down to my lake. My idea would be to put the proper type of fabric down in the spring before it even comes up here in Ontario Canada and possibly cover fabric with a heavy mulch as well? Also curious if you think this is a good plan to eliminate large amounts of poison ivy? Thanks for your video it was very helpful👍
It would prevent it from groing. I have used the type of landscape fabric from the video in landscape project where that had been poison ivy. It was then covered with mulch and the ivy did not grow back. Make sure to use proper protective clothing, gloves and footwear.
Hi what do you think about using this woven fabric and use rubber mulch? Would that potentially takecare of weeds for few years?
Learned something-thanks
I am glad it was helpful.
I put down the woven material in June of this year. August, weeds are growing through and on top
What brand did you use? If it is not the same type of product that I show in the video then I suspect that it won't work. Many products state that they are a woven material but woven felt is not the same as a 6 oz woven plastic.
I have a heavy woven fabric with River rock on top. After about 3-4 years, horsetail has been growing through in dozens of places. The fabric has not broken down. The horsetail just winds its way through the weeving and into the sun.
Hi. Thanks very much. That was great information. I would like to remove our lawn and cover our front yard with river rock. Could I lay the woven fabric directly over the grass or do I need to remove the grass first? Thanks!
Yes, you can cover an existing lawn with this type of landscape fabric. The grass underneath will not grow through.
Nice to see the differences from a real landscapers. What weight would you recommend? I have seen 2.4, 3.4 and 4.1ozs.. I want to use it in the walk way of my garden, to control the weeds. I do not have any wood chips to cover the fabric barrier.
Thanks so much for your response.
I have used both a 3.4 and a 4.1oz. I tend to stick to the 4.1.
Informative. Thank you. To secure the fabric- you recommend metal landscape staples?
Yes for sure I use the staples.
Thanks for the content. It would be helpful if you can inform how how a plastic compound (the Polypropylene fabric) is not detrimental and more grievous to soil health compared to the natural, porous fabric shown initially. Yes, the plastic cover may show more durability in aesthetically hindering weeds, but wouldn't that be at the cost of the underlying soil's health (restriction of moisture, air circulation, natural matter decomposition) and ultimately at the cost of the vegetation/plants you seek to keep healthy?..
Hi, am building a deck, and i already dag 4ft down and am planning to put weed barrier but am worried doesn't last long or should I put gravel on top of it?
Im planning to put this woven cover down and then landscape rocks on top, but i currently have some mulch on the ground. Can i put this woven cover above the mulch then the rocks on top? Or would there be an issue?
EXCELLENT channel. Thank you so much. Can I lay the woven fabric weed barrier over short weeds, or do I need to get rid of the weeds first?
You can cover them without doing anything to them. This video covers it: czcams.com/video/Skl0aFVwoAc/video.html
@@JeffSeetonLawnCare Thank you so much, Jeff, THE BEST! I am glad I just discovered this channel and I have just subscribed.
So I’m curious to kno if the woven fabric is equivalent to what is called house wrap? They use it to wrap mobile homes when they are transported. Can anyone answer this for me?
How do you secure the edges of this material? In the video it looked like you had some kind of plastic border/edging.
I use metal landscape staples it secure the edges. I will use an L-shaped edging in certain situations but for the most part I go with a natural edge.
Would I have to pick up the old fabric to lay this down?
i got used vinyl billboard that i was considering using in an area we’re going to gravel, but not sure if it’s permeable enough for water, etc… Wondered your thoughts.
Any vinyl poster board or billboard that I have seen was not permeable. I personally would not use it for that situation.
Thank you, I learned a lot from your video. My question is about using this woven product under a DG pathway. Will water still be able to drain through? I didn't see any other comments regarding this specifically.
Yes it will
Where can I buy woven fabric?
I used heavy duty woven and it did not drain. The water pooled on top immediately as it rained before I had put the gravel on top.
What is that edge thing you pull up 8 1/2 minutes in? Also, is it necessary to remove grass and weeds before installing, or can you just lay it down ‘no till’ style?
The plastic edging is a type of edging that is used to hold interlocking stone (pavers) in place. It can be purchased at any supplier of interlocking stone. It is purchased, usually, in lengthens of 8 feet and can be easily be cut with a hand saw. You can lay the type of landscape fabric that I used in this video directly over top of grass. The grass will breakdown naturally underneath it.
Do I need to two layers of the woven fabric or just one is enough? I plan to put rocks on it, no plants. Are two layers too many for water to escape?
With the woven style that I use in the video, a single layer is more than enough.
What is your recommendation for fabric for a pea stone patio? Woven to allow water to go thru, correct?
Yes, that is correct. I use the same fabric for all of my landscape project.
Hi what do you think about using this woven fabric and rubber mulch on top, would it prevent weed for years?
It could for sure. Of course it doesn't prevent weed seeds from landing on top and then growing.
Roofing paper works great .Too blocks weeds very well.
I bought some landscaping fabric from Sam’s Club. It was the worst ever water wouldn’t even penetrate through it. It puddled for 30 minutes without going down or just ran completely off the fabric to the edge into the grass.
Learned a lot, but wished you would elaborate on where to buy woven landscape fabric.
This is a similar product www.dewittcompany.com/product/sunbelt-3-2-oz/
Thanks
What do you suggest for a mobile home space that the entire yard is gravel, and the existing plastic underneath has deteriorated after thirty years, so a sea of weeds grow through the gravel the entire year????????
I would rake up the gavel, lay the barrier and then shovel it back. Make sure to only use a polypropylene fabric.
Won't the decomposing mulch sitting on top of the woven fabric clog the drainage system in the long term ?
the small gaps in the woven panels allow for small partial to wash through the barrier. What's more, I will usually replace my mulch every 3 threes or so. The woven barriers does not break down so it makes for an easy clean up.
Would you use this on a slope? I wonder if the water and mulch won't just run off it?
I have used it on slopes in the past. Generally in the 15 to 20 degree range. I lay the fabric, apply the mulch and then a tamper to compact the mulch into place. It works.
Hi. What is the name of the woven liner please. I can’t locate it based on your description
This is a similar one www.dewittcompany.com/product/sunbelt-3-2-oz/
Watching this July 19th 2022 I’ve got a large yard with all around fences rock my landscaping guy used a heavy fabric he thought would work good he’s upset as I am weeds are coming through every where he’s going to redo the whole yard again should we use your paper to keep weeds out or so you suggest something else???
A quality landscape fabric, like the one I used in the video, will prevent weeds from growing underneath it. Weed seeds can still grow in the products that are put on top of it. A good way to prevent this is to apply a pre-emergent each spring and fall. This will help to prevent seed germination.
@@JeffSeetonLawnCare
What is a pre- emergent I don’t know what that is ???
Is this only available for Canadian? For some reason I dont see a option to purchase
Quest does sell in both USA and Canada, Dewitt is another brand. Most speciality suppliers of hard scape landscape supplies will sell a woven landscape fabric, with the lines in it, that is similar.
Hello
Will this product work well with gravel/crush stones and what’s the name of this product. Thank you
Yes, I use it in all kinds of landscape project.
Hi, what is exact name of the fabric that you are recommending and what stores would selling it.
I don't recommend one in particular but I do buy a product manufactured by a company called Quest Brand products. This is a similar product, I don't endorse it, just passing along the info: www.amazon.com/Driveway-Commercial-Landscape-Construction-Projects/dp/B09WQGTM89/ref=sr_1_7?crid=JL4QVD13NG9N&keywords=woven%2Bpoly%2Blandscape%2Bfabric%2B6x300&qid=1692581313&sprefix=woven%2Bpoli%2Blandscape%2Bfabric%2B6x300%2Caps%2C182&sr=8-7&th=1
What is the brand or name of that more plastic type of material? The one that actually works?
I use a product by Quest but there are similar product like this one www.dewittcompany.com/product/sunbelt-3-2-oz/
I bought the Dewitt 20 year woven for my grapes & other perennials. Have you seen any videos for fertilizing thru it? Like you, I did couple hours of research & also looked what local pick-your-own farms use.
The woven kind do allow for water and nutrients to pass through.
ok so what if it just rock and we don't careif the soil it getting nutrients, we are just putting rock down? What should we use, plastic? Plus, what is a good brand?
You want to allow water down there, otherwise that soil with dry up and shrink. That woven landsacpe fabric will work well under stones. Just remember that barriers can prevent things from growing up and through them, they don't prevent seeds from landing on them and then growing. When that does happen, stones are much harder to weed than mulch. This is a similar product to what I use: www.amazon.com/Driveway-Commercial-Landscape-Construction-Projects/dp/B09WQGTM89/ref=sr_1_97_sspa?keywords=woven+landscape+fabric&qid=1692586220&sr=8-97-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGZfbmV4dA&psc=1
Which one is best for raised bed vegetable planters?
I use a woven polypropylene
Soooo what’s the name of the materiel you use…
I just put down the woven plastic type of weed block (Land Guard brand) and planted my garden. Last night, I wetted in the garden with a garden hose and this morning, the water is still standing on top of the fabric in places where there are dips in the soil (water not seeping through). Also this area is on a slight incline so I'm sure a lot of the water is shedding off to the lower side. This can't be good.
What type of soil are you dealing with?
@@JeffSeetonLawnCare It's very similar to potting soil. I've amended the soil over a period of 20 years so it's good soil. I've had a very successful garden in this area many times. I secured a piece of the fabric over a bucket to test the drainage and with about a quart of water, most seeped through over a period of about 45 minutes but there was about a 1/2cup that pooled up and never went through. It eventually evaporated away. I have used a different type of fabric in the past and it has worked fine but this is my first experience with this plastic woven type.
@@michaelanderson4395 Good on you, many people put in a garden and then leave it without doing anything for their soil. With the woven type of landscape fabric, the polypropylene type, the water will simply run through it. if there is pooling it would be because of drainage issues. To test this simply lift that fabric up and that water should just run through it. In that case I would pull back that fabric and fix the drainage issue.
Instead of using weed fabric, could you use tarps, like the cheap ones
at Harbor Freight?
I wouldn't recommed using a tarp. Tarps are generally designed to keep water out. A woven landscape fabric is designed to allow water through.
Tarps will make a mess when it starts fading away
What happens if I use a tarp in a area where I don't want grass and weed to come up anymore? I will be adding gravel on top.
Can you tell me what brand was the better woven one? Did you find it at Home Depot or where?? Thanks!
I used a product manufactured by a company called Quest. This particular one I bought in Canada www.questbrands.ca/product/weed-control-infinite-guarantee-pallet-packs/
This is a similar product sold at Lowes.com www.lowes.com/pd/VEVOR-6-5FTx330FT-Premium-Weed-Barrier-Fabric-Heavy-Duty-3-2OZ-Woven-Weed-Control-Fabric-High-Permeability-Good-for-Flower-Bed-Geotextile-Fabric-for-Underlayment-Polyethylene-Ground-Cover/5014207937
@@JeffSeetonLawnCare Thank you 😊 😁
Go straight to VEVOR. $100. At Lowes $136. Or you can order 30ft less, for $70 at VEVOR.
What is the product you recommend?! Did I miss it ? All I hear is “this product” vs “this product “ everything was referred to “this”
Ths is a similar product: www.amazon.com/forimo-6x300FT-Landscape-Commercial-Greenhouse/dp/B08FQZKX1P/ref=sr_1_15?crid=2QFCOKWAI8R8K&keywords=woven+weed+barrier+landscape+fabric+6x300&qid=1688778402&sprefix=woven+weed+barrier+landscape+fabric+6x300%2Caps%2C94&sr=8-15
Looks like the perforated one allows the water to go through since the weeds are growing on it.
It starts by clogging then holding water and finally breaking down.
Wat brand is the woven material? Where do you order from?
The product I use is by a company called Question.
Is this product UV stable? The sun in Australia is very intense, and the UV light in sun light absolutely evaporates unprotected plastic products.
Thank you... HOWEVER... PLEASE link the product
This is a similar product www.dewittcompany.com/product/sunbelt-3-2-oz/
should i use landscape fabric under paver to prevent weed
If a properly prepared base is created then it is not required. I do know many other contractors that prepare the base, lay landscape fabric apply the dust and then the pavers.
I am digging up a weed infested lawn to put new lawn in. Can I use weed fabric below the new turf?
No, you shouldn't. You want the roots of the grass to grow deep. The landscape fabric will prevent this from happening. Instead, use a preemergent annually. If you are seeding the lawn then you can apply tenacity at the same time as the seeds. After the lawn have become established then apply another round of it. There are some grass type that you should not use tanacity on. Make sure to know your grass type and read the label of tenacity before you purchase it and use it.
@@JeffSeetonLawnCare Thank you for the great advice
What is the specific brand of fabric you recommend?
I use a product made by Quest, Dewitt also sells a quality product.
Thanks, the stuff they sell on Amazon has horrible reviews. This was my first year using ls fabric from the dollar general and it was a real blessing. It was not the woven type and nothing grew threw it or on top of it and let me tell you that I have a major weed problem!
This Donics fabric you used looks every bit as good as DeWitt, but I am curious if you've ever tried DeWitt? (it's about $35 more than Donics so I think I'll skip deWitt and do what you did, but just curious... THANKS!!!
I haven't used the Dewitt myself but I have looked at it and it seems to be a quality product.
@@JeffSeetonLawnCare Thanks-so how many years is your longest use at this point with Donics?
@@earlb3 I mostly used a product by company called Quest. The Quest, Donic, the Dewitt and the Vevor are all very similar, they are all made of woven polypropylene . I have projects where I used polypropylene landscape fabrics that are 9 seasons old. That product still doesn't not need to be replaced.
@@JeffSeetonLawnCare AWESOME man-great insight. Thank yuoiu!!
What is the name of the woven fabric so I can buy some?
I use a product made by Quest in this video. It is similar to this one www.amazon.com/Dewitt-6-Feet-250-Feet-5-Ounce-Landscape/dp/B000W690BC/ref=sr_1_11?keywords=woven+landscape+fabric&qid=1667661527&sr=8-11
Use the road style woven fabric!
Are you using polypropylene or geotextile fabric?
@@JeffSeetonLawnCare Which have you found to work best?
Hey the shortUrl link you posted is compromised!
Thank you for letting me know. I have moved it.
One thing missing, you should let us know the brand you are using that works.
I use a polypropylene landscape fabric similar to this on: www.lowes.com/pd/VEVOR-Weed-Barrier-Landscape-Fabric-6-x-250-ft-4-1-Oz-Premium-Woven-Ground-Cover-Heavy-Duty-PP-Material-and-Easy-Setup-Weed-Control-for-Outdoor-Garden-Lawn-Driveway-Black/5014207939
What about tarps from harbor freight?
There would be too many variables for me to be able to comment way or other. They may very well work but they may not allow water through and could dryout the soil underneath.
Where can I buy the good fabric?
Amazon sell a similar product: www.amazon.com/Dewitt-6-Feet-250-Feet-5-Ounce-Landscape/dp/B000W690BC/ref=sr_1_5?crid=1NZMXH9G5GN8P&keywords=woven%2Bweed%2Bbarriers%2Bdewitt&qid=1672408639&sprefix=woven%2Bweed%2Bbarriers%2Bdewitt%2Caps%2C77&sr=8-5&th=1
I bought the pro dewitt weed barrier. in 2 month some weeds were poking right through it. Definitely not a great solution for very tough weeds.
Which Dewitt did you get? I would be interested in the model number. They do make a similar version to the one I use in my video, not the same but similar, along with a bunch of other ones.
So are all woven brands equal?
They are not all the same. You are looking for ones made of polypropylene.
Does Dewitt 20 yr. Work too? I have that more readily available in my area at a good price.
Yes, it is a similar product.
is sams club member's mark fabric the bad stuff?
I don’t know about it for sure. If you can post a photo of it then I can comment.
What weed fabric do you use?
Here is a link to the product that I purchase regularly: www.questbrands.ca/product/weed-control-infinite-guarantee-pallet-packs/
Is that tyvek?
It isn't. It looks like it though.
What brand is it called?
The one I used in the video is made by a company called Quest.
Wasted money and TIME on the cheap crap. Thanks for a good video.
I’ve been told the exact opposite. Woven doesn’t allow drainage and non-woven does.
Well those folks are mistaken. I do this commercially, have been using the woven type of landscape fabrics in the video for over 10 years and have used them in hundreds of projects. Have a look at the active soil under the woven landscape fabric that I used at the 3:56 mark of this video. That landscape fabric had been in place for 12 month and the soil is moist and rich in colour. m.czcams.com/video/Skl0aFVwoAc/video.html
were you using landscape fabric or weed barrier?
Those terms are used interchangeably, they refer to the same thing.
can't hear you
the question that NOBODY seems to have any ideas about is a better method to anchor the stuff down than the staples. Pulling those bitches up in the fall and driving them in with stony soil is a complete pain in the ass. I spent a $1500 on a rock rake just to address the fookin stones. .
I understand you pain. Depending on the particulars of jobs, I sometimes use 8 or 12 inch spikes with 3 inch washers
@@JeffSeetonLawnCare I may try small-ish sandbags
Woven it is then...
You didn't say who is making the material that you are using.
This is a similar product www.dewittcompany.com/product/sunbelt-3-2-oz/
Put some woven fabric down and it rained immediately and the rain pooled on it in puddles. No water getting through at all. Has sat there for hours.
Do not reccommend.
which brand did you use?
Will this not attract ANTS?
So you are saying that with old fashion landscape fabric dirt and mulch do break down but due to the fact the fabric holes get filled so that water can’t penetrate through? But that with the new fabric dirt and mulch won’t clog your the fabric holes and allows water? My belief is that water penetrated through the holes regardless of what fabric you use.
Your vlog is very-informative but you kinda defeat the purpose of it if you recommend the best type of material and not giving the “Brand of the product” that you are recommending; I surely would want to know what particular brand that you are suggesting so we could buy it immediately. I hope to hear from you soon. Thanks for the infos.. and I can not wait for your reply. More power to your channel.
I didn't want to recommend one over another. I added a similar product in the description.
A huge oversight? The NAME of the more desirable fabric. 'This" product is what??? I don't want this, gimme THIS instead. (?§?)
I left the product name out intentionally. I didn’t want to promote one product vs another. The woven type that I use are made of polypropylene.
Oh for heavens sake stop repeating yourself!! Write a script, you could say what you have to say in half the time!
That was one of my first videos. A lot has changed from back then.