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Not surprised it took Kyle, our Engineering Manager, 2 years to build this table considering it took him 3 years to finish our LTT Screwdriver….But what you do get is an insanely chaotic time and Linus and Kyle trying not to hurt each other for 30 minutes! Thank again AMD!
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Intro
1:12 Snooping around
3:35 Why did Linus shave lol
3:51 More snoopin
5:25 The 2 year table
12:42 Table liner trouble
14:17 Here is the TECH upgrade
18:46 Please let this table be done already
19:13 Back to PCs
23:08 But do they post?
23:36 The table is FINALLY done
26:22 New peripherals!
28:36 Cable wiggling
29:06 Uncle Linus Time
29:40 It's ALIVE
30:13 Final Results/Outro - Věda a technologie
Not sure if all of LTT actually steal things from work or if Linus just has half of his inventory in 100+ mini warehouses.
decentralised storage
Off site backups, for uhhh “fire protection”
@@Demonicechoesthe good ol' 3 2 1 rule huh 😂
@@NiTeHaWKnz More like 3 2 80
Saves up on storage space cost.
of all the engineers linus could have hired. it makes sense its this guy. the energy is a good match
i love this guy!!!!
yeah 'energy'
@@mrb2917 huh?
@@mrb2917what?
@@mrb2917 Pardon?
14:20 was my favorite moment.
The arguing in the background as Linus moves on is peak lmg
That's why Linus was pissed off for a second.
@@Deviloffateful??? Do you mean the moment where he makes that strange face and then immediately runs off camera before the transition? That was not a face of anger and more of a face of oh. I can do this. Really cool thing and from what he said on last night's WAN show, he realized pretty much as he made that face the epic transition he could do to the next scene
@@the_undead do you know when in the WAN show he talked about this? really interested in hearing! thanks
@@uhmEvade pretty sure it was the most recent one, If not it was the one before that
@@the_undead oh ok, I assumed it was the most recent wan show but could not find it in the timestamps guy comment, so I meant like when in the show like a timestamp. etc. no problem tho Im sure Ill hear it eventually.
I love Kyle and Linus interaction. Kyle was so nervous and suddenly becomes as smooth as a cucumber when he is explaining his dream table. We need more Kyle!!!
Cucumbers are super bumpy...
@@taylormiracle14what cucumbers are you buying???
@@tarundas123 he means pickles
I love that they're roasting Kyle and his wife is on the stairs just losing it. Praise the cameraman for not falling over.
bonjour
Finally baby Linus caught up with the upload schedule
really puts into perspective how far ahead these videos are filmed!
about time
😂
he looks anything but baby-like. current beardless Linus has seen a lot of mileage...
I already miss Obi-Wan Linus...
Uncle Linus made my heart melt a little :) Adorable!
He like the awkward uncle that asks about a hobby you both know you quit 5 years ago but he's just trying to make small talk. "Yes, karate is going great, thanks". I love it!
that uncle fucked up bad cuz he looks terrifying without a beard
Can we get a short of him reading the whole ABC book? (For my kids!)
Agreed
What a dude. I love him
For those not in the know, getting a Mechanical Engineering degree is TOUGH...
Getting a "Professional Engineer" Certificate (requires an Engineering or Engineering related degree, 4-8 years of experience AND pass what many consider to be the hardest Engineering exam, the FE exam) is no joke... As an Engineer, I know dozens of Engineers... I only know 2 Professional Engineers. She LEGIT
fellow engineer! could not agree more. Kyle is the real deal!
@@israelflores9286 It's not Kyle, it's his wife.
ME ain't shit
@@truereaper4572 Out of curiosity, what degree did you get?
@@daringdarius5686 Aerospace Engineering.
That table looks awesome! Our accessories are a perfect fit. Looks like you really nailed - great job 🔥. Glad we could help, keep up the great work! 💪
much love,
- Wyrmwood
Thanks for being super chill and for your help with the vid :) -LS
I never thought I would have seen this cross-over.
I litterly just sent @wyrmwood a email about the leaf storage but i guess they already know
These are the two channels I watch on a regular basis. Love the "collab?". This was fun to see.
I've been lowkey hoping for a Wyrmwood x LTT collab for a while. This is a bit short one but I'll take it =)
This might be the most intense tech upgrade so far. Kyle is STRESSED.
yep, looks like his heart ❤️ was on the edge😢 all that day with Linus😂
When I saw the thumbnail I thought the table was just a wyrmwood one with custom legs. The fact that you reverse engineered it so well from their videos is IMPRESSIVE.
My parents have a wyrmwood one. It looks really close in quality to the wyrmwood one!
11:07 the best comment I've heard in any improv bantering, from any LTT video, ever.
"Thats what my last parents said" sent me ngl
13:50 the shot of Kyle's wife with her engineering degree next to her had me in stitches
and in Canada the word engineer means something. Not everyone can use it.
@@TheSkcube in canada the protected term is "professional engineer" as a network engineer who is friends with a civil engineer i have learned random things.
Especially since she is a liscensed PE. For those that don't know becoming a liscensed professional engineer involves a whole rigamarole, and multiple very hard exams after you've already graduated college and joined the workforce.
@@danielbricker7204 from engineers Canada
"Claiming to be an engineer without being licensed is against the law. Titles such as Professional Engineer, Professional Licensee (engineering), P. Eng., P.L. (Eng.), or any title including the word engineer or a related abbreviation can only be used by those who are licensed. This also applies where such terms and abbreviations are combined with any name, title, description, letter, symbol, or abbreviation. The use of terms or abbreviations that imply someone is licensed with a regulator when they are not can result in legal action"
If you aren't licensed you can't add engineer to your title.
that guy called @chicken copied your comment word for word
Edit: Not sure if they deleted it when I called them out or they just got buried but the comment is no longer there.
5:00 - "before you employed your whole company to work on your new one" 😂😂😂
the jab was really good
Solid burn!
It's almost impressive that in a video containing both Elijah and Linus, somehow neither of them were the most frantic and chaotic mess-makers in this thing.
Never would I have thought I'd see mention of Wyrmwood on LTT, love it.
15:48 I love it when Linus calls out Kyle for projecting, and Kyle just stands there, confused, while his wife laughs out loud in the background.
I was also confused, but mainly because I don't understand what it means. Is that something people say in Canada?
@@pablomax9376projecting where you blame/assume everyone gas your bad habits and try to pin it on them first. Gets truely awkward when you apply this to someone who'd never ever do those things, and everyone else knows this.
@@pablomax9376no its a common term in psychology, it's become extremely common on the internet in the last decade
@@pablomax9376 projecting is a psychological term for when someone blames someone else that was their fault, or attributes personality traits/faults to someone that are really their own.
AKA: You feel bad for lying so you think everyone is lying to you.
Disclaimer: this is not the best explanation probably. Just look it up, it's not just a Canadian term
@@pablomax9376no it is a pretty common term. It means accusing someone else of something you feel or do. Classic example is someone accusing their partner of cheating on them and being insecure when they are the one who has cheated in a relationship. Or pretty much anything Trump says about his opponents
29:30 parent Linus is so wholesome
He seemed genuinely upset when they told him he couldn't read the book.
@@slickstretch6391right😅
Her face when he said "that's a you problem" and her comeback "it's YOUR table, it's a YOU problem". He's probably slept next to his table that night.
Even more so the fact she's an engineer as well...
8:40 I cant find fault in his logic. 10/10 would follow into battle. Also, I know LTT has had it's ups and most deffinently it's downs, I still enjoy the content you guys produce! im glad LTT continues to grow!
Its going to really heat up the room especially under the table
"We're not really gonna get divorced"
"It's what my last parents said" ☠
11:05
Elijah smashing the one liners
Holy crap, I nearly choked on my dinner at that one!
*emotional damage
Elijah is getting more and more confident behind the camera so quickly. Good for him, cause I nearly did a spittake
Elijah and Linus were seriously on their game this video
29:12 We're so used to tech bro Linus, it's quite sweet how "dad" Linus comes out, even the honesty with the kids about how much longer he needs their dad.
Seriously. That moment was based and Dad pilled.
NGL I hate kids, but Linus is making it really sweet
The dad energy is so wholesome! 🥰
Years and years and years ago, when I first started watching LTT - over 10 years ago by now - it was actually the way Linus talked to his kids that convinced me to get behind the channel, help fund the move, buy merch and keep on rooting for them through good times and bad.
@@rather-reverendI feel the same way when Linus just shows how well mannered his kids are! The way they say please and thank you just shows that a lot of effort was put into raising them well
Always love when new tech upgrades go up! Also props to Wyrmwood for sending over the accessories! Have loved their designs for a while
Ayo loving the content. Love the mix between home comedy and straight up explanation. I know you try to incorporate this in many of your vids, but this hits it off for me. Loving the trio
Kyle is hysterical stress incarnate. Every time I think his voice cant possibly pitch higher, it somehow finds another half tone.
Ahhh! Me eyes! Shaved Linus has finally caught up to us.
All I can think about is the Spongebob King Neptune Bald meme, but for specifically his face.
@@darryljack6612 i read OP’s comment in a mr krabs voice and of course the only reply is a spongebob reference 😂
I built little TEC cold plates for our lab when we were using the PTM material in our servers. Just place your sheet on it, peel off the top layer, place the square on your cpu, place the cold plate on top for a few minutes, pull it off and peel the second layer of plastic off. Made it way easier to install.
Tip: you want the initial square to be 80% of the area of the heat spreader/die. Once it melts the mounting pressure squishes it the rest of the way. 80% ensures complete coverage with minimal excess squishing out of the sides.
This is by far the most entertaining tech upgrade video. We need more Kyle content
0:56 Noooo! He's reverting back to the NCIX days.
It's glorious!!!
First the beard now the shirt!
This is it, folks. Someone's gonna revolt inside LTT and make their own channel while Linus continues his path to being a Bad Boss(TM) before completely shutting down.
they must have done this on purpose, right?
just need him to bleach his hair .... Hmmmmm DBrand plz make this happen
29:35 I love how linus took the time to read a book to the kids, linus is so sweet
Yes it's sweet and Linus loved doing it. But it was also product placement.
@@kg4wwnI think 2 things can be true at once. It was definitely good product placement but he also just seems really good with kids
I love it but I have to say its gotta be weird comming upstairs and seeing your boss with your kids and wife reading them a story xD things 99.99999% of people will never experience
@@sexy_koala_juiceLinus himself also has 3 kids.. I think he understands being a parents pretty well
he is a father so he understands the feeling
This video was amazing, for real, I haven't laughed this much in a LTT video in a long time.
Everything was so real, those three guys just going at each other was so fun to watch, and Kyle is such a nice dad and husband, congratulations guys this might actually be my favorite 5k Tech Upgrade ever.
I love this series so much. Getting to see the LTT gang in a personality based setup build session is so cool. thanks AMD
Love that Kyle is a board and tabletop gamer, and that he designed his own gaming table, "borrowing" designs from Wyrmwood and another defunct designer, and that Wyrmwood was okay with it.
If you don't want to change the matt, putting it under the side rails isn't bad.
Always listen to your wife when putting together furniture, especially if she's an engineer.
I really want a gaming table.
Stream of consciousness writing at its finest
I have plans to put together a gaming table specifically for D&D. Tabletop will be a 60 inch multi-touch screen to use as the main screen for Roll20, powered by an SFF PC underneath. Each player also gets a tablet for their Character Sheet, and can swap to Roll20 as well. Table will be adjustable up and down for ease of use. Gonna run about $1500, but will be AMAZING when it's done. GM area will have an attached screen for the GM view, too.
Not Defunct - just a guy building game tables in his spare time outside his 9 to 5 job.
@@Klldarkness6008 I suggest foundryvtt over roll20, definetely better.
I can't help but wonder if by chance the free ad-space from LTT video played part in Wyrmwood coming to agreement 😉
On the other hand, Wyrmwood is kinda known to be the good guys so it could be also just a gesture of good will
6:24 "If it doesn't fit into the hole, find a different hole! Dont try and FORCE it into the hole"
Ah, a new contender for most sus quote
Yessss I’m dying at this had to rewind twice 😂😂 Elijah’s reactions makes it even better
I almost passed out from laughing at this one. He said it so obliviously....with such conviction 😂
Damn, that table is gorgeous. Kyle is really freaking good at what he does, huh? That's amazing work right there, especially when you know he reversed engineered some of it. Really fun episode. Kudos to everyone involved, including AMD.
I love this so much. This video is like watching my brother and I "help" our dad with a project. Kyle is such a dad, and Linus and Elijah are absolute goofballs.
14:15 Linus walks away to start another segment and they're still arguing in the background lmao. Such a funny transition!!
Everybody in this comment section talking about, "I love the chemistry between these three" but the truth of the situation is on Elijah's face when he walks in during Linus' transition. Kudos to the way they bounced back though and finished out the video on a positive note.
@@ji3qu This was an editing trick as there is no way Elijah went from arguing to up the stairs that fast.
@@hunterchao197 if he ran that fast on the stairs he would fall again
I came here to comment the same thing, it was genuinely so funny 🤣🤣
@@ji3qu yea he looked a little ticked off coming back into frame.
5:22
I absolutely love that each time they do a “Linus dropping things” segment, they always include the heart dropping hard drive drop
i was gonna like but it would make this comment have 421 likes
22:55 Linus uses his own channel for TECH TIPS 🤣🤣🤣🤣 What in the Meta is this?
This was sick, good on Wyrmwood for helping out! Also really recommend gaming tables for homes now - space saver
The moment we've been all waiting for...
Beardless Linus has arrived
I think bearded Linus might come back…
And we got an intro as well! It's 2017 all over again.
and it looks terrible
On regular videos
He has been appearing in shorts since a week ago
And in WAN show
I seen him like this for a month already
That’s so nice to accept that someone has that skill to recreate your concept as your putting it into production, that instead of putting them down you give them a pass for personal use one off and send them some accessories for being decent to get hold and ask if your ok with the accidental infringement due to timing
Can a company sue you for recreating their products at home just for personal use?
If it's for personal use then patents don't apply.
But issue is that they can sue you and you'll spend fortune on a lawyer.
If he really reverse engineered that patent before it was properly filed the patent is probably dead anyways, at least here in Europe that would no longer be considered patent worthy.
I don't know about Canada, but my understanding is that in the US patent doesn't protect a company from someone making something for personal use, just from commercial use/sale.
@@zmortis111 That would also be my understanding for Germany
Probably my favorite video you did in a while! Love the vibe in this one.
I have the 850W variant of that XFX PSU. Had it for close to 10 years - not a single hiccup. No coil whine, fan failure, and it survived having had water cooling spills on it 3 times. Too bad they don't seem to make PSUs anymore. Easily the best unit, I ever had. It even replaced a Cooler Master Silent Pro Gold and a Corsair AX850.
23:00 omg Mr. Tech Tips needing a LTT video is pure gold
I mean, let's be fair: He's probably forgotten more about the tech world, than most people ever even knew in the first place at this point.
I love how at 14:20 Linus moves elsewhere to start doing computer stuff, you can still hear the argument loudly from off-camera.
Just the homely funny chaos
yea they did a really good cut and edit on that one
Kudos to the sound designer/editor. It's left in there by choice for comedic effect.
True cinema, movie magic and comedic timing together, 10/10
You can see on his face when he realized the opportunity was there for that transition and ran upstairs to allow for it. He was talking about it on WAN
my god you had a fun time there guys. so nice. I want to see the final Screen design on the table!!
I love that you put everything in an arcade cabinet, I did something similar but it is the center piece of my area for sure.
That table's gorgeous. I love that Wyrmwood was so sportsmanlike about it, too.
They got the best free shoutout they could hope for 😁
"We make such a good product that this enthusiast built his own."
Most people don't have the energy to do that and just buy it if they want it.
well its not illegal to reverse engineer woodwork lmao ! regardless if its patented or not , so the video was a over reaction anyway
@@girlsdrinkfeck Sure, but they're a youtube channel so it's just in bad taste not to check with them.
@@LarryJL he isnt a channel he is a individual
@@girlsdrinkfeck He is, but the video which displays the table is made by LTT. So they could have been in trouble.
But not from Wyrmwood. 😅 But they too slack with their intellectual property 🤣. But, that could have ended up in another Frank's video 😂.
Seeing Kyle explain how his gaming display around his TV has been slowly taken over by his little one, really hit home for me. I used to love my TV unit. Now it's just a place to store nappies and whatever my 3 year old decides to take out of his mouth when we're not looking.. This week I've found a few dozen McDonalds fries, from his Happy Meal, to a half-eaten Fish finger, stored behind a family portrait... I miss my SNES and N64. :(
This is the way sir, life goes on
lol dont make it sound like it's such a depressing thing to have YOUR child's stuff around your home. that's why u should plan first where you'll have your kid's things before having one. have sacred no-no areas where you can't have kid stuff around for your peace and balance. and besides, that's the way of life in having a child. they're kids in nappies for a short period of time, they grow fast so you don't really have to worry too much.
Wait but fish don't have fingers, do they?
Think he needs plan B next time@@JonathanTheoh
Feeding a 3 year old a happy meal says it all tbh 😅
18:30 Kyle IS walking, living, breathing content and I want more of him. Give this man a tech upgrade monthly!
this was genuinely the most entertaining part of the 5k upgrades yes
3:25 Hotwiring the PC to start it? Love it!
I do it the same way
Mine have open case and hot shorting it wih my screwdriver
Nothing more permanent than a working temporary solution
Remember that meme of 3 wolves where 2 are laughing and one with a "I'm so done" face? This is the entire video.
That is so accurate.
Omg just saw that old logitech`s i have the same sytem 2.1 , 15 years still going strong and audio quality is still perfect.
This has gotta be hands down the funniest between these 3 ripping into each other lolz dope vid.
Probably one of my favorite upgrades in the series. Great energy from all people involved
This was definitely one of the most entertaining Tech Upgrades you guys have ever done. Totally digging that table, too!
Elijah is fast becoming a fan favourite I think - his ability in front of the camera has come a long way from his first appearance. Treat him well LMG.
13:19 "Scratch ass balls" definitely a favorite quote from linus
This will be the New "FLAGSHIP" Quote for Linus now !!! 😎
LMAO "I can't sit because my @$$ is full of stuff" 6:38 🤣 Haven't laughed so much from a LTT video.
This guy explains your products perfectly. He laid down everything someone would have wanted to know about the thermal pads.
Best tech upgrade video by far. We need more Kyle, he is too funny!
I've been waiting for this for like 3 weeks! Those cases are so dope!!
What is the name of the cases? Can't find any mention of it in the video.... Maybe I'm stupid
24:23 I was gonna say the topper leaves he made look exactly like the topper leaves from Wyrmwood, any other Wyrmling watching would have instantly noticed how much the table design looks like the MGT lol. The fact that he reverse engineered everything is hilarious. Cool to see they also sent him some of the accessories for the magnetic rails, too.
They prolly felt like "damn, he reverse engineered it just from vids? Give him a pass + magnetic stuff to see how it fits". Prolly sees it fit now & be like "damn!"- again.😂😂
For real, I saw the thumbnail and my first thought was 'Cool, he bought an MGT with his AMD money. And of course the title mentions two years because Wyrmwood takes a while to ship stuff.' Imagine my surprise when the legs don't match an MGT and then later they start talking about the patents
Fellow Wyrmling here. Hope his slats for accessories fit!
Wyrmwood probably felt that since it's for personal use it's fine, and also having a video which essentially advertises their table/design will be good for their business.
29:36 Dadus is so wholesome🥰
It's very cute. Unlike our sponsor: Raytheon. Raytheon: we unalive small children with our products and services.
Honestly this channel and videos like this are tempting me to move to Canada more than anything else ever has, and I've been tempted a lot in the past.
I was asking all episode “hasn’t he heard of Wyrmwood?!?!” So glad they addressed it in the end. 😂
Can relate to Kyle. When you get to work and want to focus and actually do some stuff done, A LOT of puns and jokes go over your head. :))) I think this is my favorite Tech Upgrade to date. Love the chaos, love the theme and the people (of course). NICE!
My favorites are:
- Adam
- Dennis
- This one
- Alex
Nice to see wyrmwood were chill about your table, for reverse engineering, that sooooo damn close to the main table
It's not like he's selling it. He built it...for himself.
@@JWNGeorgeso here is the thing, after wyrmwood put in that patent, they could of easily stopped him especially as it was on video, after the patent was put in. they were chill with it.
I never denied he built it for himself, my comment was 1, stating it was nice a company whose main product he replicated was chill with what was done and 2, applauding the work that was done
+ he is employee of Linus = big marketing for the table outside MGT market@@Tomrom52
@@Tomrom52I dont think you get what the other commentor is saying. Patent law( in the EU and most places outside of north america) allows people to manufacture patented goods for personal use. However what you're saying is the case in the US(and maybe canada?) so im guessing its just confusion from law differences
Kyle is probably my favorite dude with the company. Glad to see he got his upgrade.
One of the best Upgrades yet. Onscreen presence by all 3 of you, Magic.
27:24 That flawless voice dubbing
Didn't even notice 😂
this trio is by far one of my favorites to have on camera please we need more
Linus is just absolutely brutal in this lmao, and Kyle fires it right back at him - so good
"oh king julian"
I'm not even much of a tabletop gamer, but that table is so cool. Definitely my favorite tech upgrade video so far. I would love something like that for poker night
I love how these tech upgrade videos are basically just Linus and whoever teasing each other the whole time! 😅
14:20 was so funny the fact you can still hear the arguing lmao
The parents fighting transferred to the children
6:00 the look on Linus’s face when he mentions the gouges in the floor is priceless
You can tell he's still a bit 'torn up' over it
That QD-OLED monitor is freaking sick! I got one at an auction brand new for $400 after fees and love it. Was super scared about burn in but it's incredibly resilient.
I like this video a lot! As someone who loves computers and does woodworking as a job, I can really appreciate his design
24:35 I knew i recognized the Wyrmwood design.
12:59 Thr way he says he's fine reminded me of Ross saying "I'm fine" 😂
"I've got three kids so I mean... It works." such a good reverse Uno moment.
So nice of them to help Hozier upgrade his stuff
13:50 got em. That's the sweetest version of "get rekt" I've ever seen. 😂
That cut to her engineering degree was perfect
6:09 that a 'serious linus face' XD
Love this channel. Been here since the beginning this is the content that lmg are great at
Great board game selection at 18:54. I own most of those. 7Wonders is one of the best games.
3:39 "WHY DID you SHAVE?? WHY DID HE SHAVE" was my first reaction when video started.. I had to check what year it was I was trippin
18:44 hahaha... That was a fast reaction 😂
So nice of Linus to help the Aphex Twin build a table
This is the most chaotic and fun banters i watch with tech upgrades
That Linus 5000$ Ultimate Beard Downgrade is crazy.
12:36 safety helmet for Elijah 😂
Great video people really enjoyed it good humour throughout 😅
Shaved Linus with the almost NCIX shirt is super nostalgic
Thanks Linus :)
12:12 gosh this Linus and Elijah humor reminds me of me and my friend's humor. We met less than a year ago and we bonded on our mutual bad humor
that was a good video, very good one! Great vibes between the guys. Congrats
14:17 I love how you can still hear him arguing in the background lmao
I actually believe this is the best video you guys have made in years. (that doesn't mean the rest of the content is bad just this was great) Please more on Kyle and Linus.