ASIAN CUP 2023 TIER LIST: Do Southeast Asian Nations Have A Chance?
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- čas přidán 4. 01. 2024
- Southeast Asia is sending 4 representatives to the 2023 Asian Cup: Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, and Vietnam. What are the chances that each of these national teams can advance from the group stage and possibly further into the competition? That's what we are breaking down in this video.
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When malaysia lost to Thai and Viet in the AFF, it was because, KPG was testing 2nd and 3rd tiered Malaysian Player, as most of the Main Player was not released by the clubs due to Non FIFA calendar period.
Trueee
Arif Aiman and JDT Player Not in the squad when That time at Aff
not to mention, the refree is paid by vietnam
Xpyh terangkan yang penting malaysia mampu beri kejutan.. underdog mampu beri kejutan contoh morocco..
Thai and Viet also not their full squad in AFF cup
As a Malaysian myself, this is how I see it. Since Malaysian football is still developing in recent years, and we are not fully mature or developed as those powerhouses like Japan and S.Korea, here’s our idea 💡, concept or mentality:
*It’s not about how many goals we can defend or stop 🛑 ✋. It’s about how we can still manage to not lose the game despite being conceding goals😏😎.*
From what I see, Malaysia is like a Technical (machine gun on Toyota car). The defense are bad, but the attack are good. If Malaysia is against Indonesia eg., Malaysia can win but with score of 3-2 or 4-3, which means the goal deficit is small but with a large score. So Malaysia is an extremely attacking team but with palpable defense. If Malaysia faced an opponent that can absorb their attack, Malaysia is totally finished.
No way Indonesia can beat us like that … higher ranked teams yes
i do think malaysia always concede or give away goals easily, but under coach kim pan gon we scored 64 goals and concede 25 goals, thats a 39 goal difference, the trick is we need to score more goals than we concede 😂
14 goals create againts amateur players from solomon and new guniea.😂😂😂😂😂😂
For AFF tournaments, Malaysia often send in 2nd stringers or U23 since 2016. This is due to that Tournament is not in FIFA calendar, thus top clubs do not release their top players😊
Thai and Viet also not their full squad in AFF cup.. Singapore also without Fandi ahmad’s sons.
@@arsarjan9947 The Thai and Viet always send 2/3 of their best players for AFF tournament. The Fandi brothers are unable to be in Singapore squad lately because their Thai employer did not release them for AFF🫡🫡
singapore too small they can call grandson, aunty niece to player@@arsarjan9947
@@arsarjan9947 last aff cup vietnam and thai sent full strength team, malaysia wasnt able because jdt doesnt release their player for aff and most of people who know a little bit of malaysian football that 10-14 malaysian national player on that team. btw singapore arent part of big 4 in asean nowadays
thank you for educating! I am still new to southeast Asian football so I was not aware of that
Thank you very much for the videos. I am Uzbek and very much enjoy your content. You're one of the few CZcamsrs who actually have very deep ball knowledge. Your channel would be so much more popular if only more uzbeks new English. Anyways, thanks for your quality content. Looking forward to coming Asian cup. Hope you will have more info on that in the channel
For me, Indonesia is finished. When they drew the Philippines, As a Filipino I'm proud but As a follower of them, I'm worried that they couldn't get a single point in this Asian Cup. I hope Indonesia can gain a ton from this and carry this over for the future and I hope STY stays in the long run. Their best chance is vs A Vietnam team that has a ton of key players out due to injury. For Malaysia, If they beat Jordan, I think they can make past the group stage but their form is very scary, If they continue that, big hope for them. Malaysia just needs to fix their defense. Thailand is aging but there are young players coming but Coach Iishi must wonder how will they adapt to his system in a short period of time. Vietman, many key players are not in the Asian Cup due to injuries, so I'll not be surprised if they lose to Indonesia.
Indonesia and Vietnam: Finished
Thailand: Divine Intervention Required
Malaysia: THERE'S HOPE
Only Thailand will qualify to the Knockout stage
Me as Malaysia have your support Sir 👍👍
I don't know if Thailand can realistically advance. Kyrgyzstan has proven to be highly dangerous with a shock 1-0 win over Oman, yet both teams are in the same group with Thailand. Oman is historically never scared of Southeast Asian teams, Oman has proven many times that it always stands superior, and this is not helped by the fact Oman is playing in Qatar, a country that is so familiar for many Omanis. Oman's radical tactics, using extreme speed and fast technique, have always been troublesome to even the strongest of Asian continent, so Thailand is nearly hopeless.
But Vietnam is a quite freakishly mysterious one. The more you underestimated them, the more likely Vietnam to make more shocking results. Back in 2007, Vietnam was underestimated by every team in the group for being too weak yet they ended up advancing and not Thailand. Or most recent 2019 edition, Iran and Iraq took the charge but Vietnam was not eliminated.
Lol. This Asian cup bro
not World cup qualifers
FYI, FAM target is only round 16. So they will put 100% on this stage. This group stage alone. That is the hope.
Malaysia's football team very hard to predict as they can play very well or concede easy goals. Mental strength and never giving up will be crucial for the Malaysian team to do well in the Asian Cup.
As of now in 2024,
1st tier : South Korea . Japan
2nd: Iran, Australia
3rd: Saudi Arabia
South Korea is worth worrying though. It has tons of super players but, as a team, it has not been cohesive.
@@davidbowie5023good thought. Adding to that, Malaysia had once beat the South Korea. Son was in that game, but nothing much he did. Idk man, big surprise is coming
Australia is overatted team. I dnt blv thy will gv big impact in this tournament..the other big 4 surrly the favourite.
@@shamsolbahari9471 Only South Korea, Japan, and Australia that can at least advance to the Round of 16 in World Cup, while Iran and Saudi are bad in that tournament.
But in Asian Cup, I do agree, Arab team usually played well due to help from the referee.
Indonesia is 1st tier team. according to their netizen😂
will you do daily matches predictions with knowledge of probable lineup?
I think Malaysia strongest point are their attacking and pressing since this guys will punish any silly mistake make by the oppennet like when them losing 1-3 at 77th minutes and come bacl to 4-3 due to many silly mistake.
malaysia conquer the game against krygyz, they are better in possesion. but somehow they commit mistakes at the end of 2nd half and krygyz punish them with a goal. 2nd half, that silly mistakes happen once again making the score 2-0. and it was creditted to the malaysian player that step up, making it 4-3.
@@adamghazali6925 Yeah normally a team after losing 1-3 at late minutes will often defensive or demoralized but their mental strong even in that situation.
malaysia lose 3-0 twice by thailand and veitnam is an old story. but today they are new player, new squad, stronger team and they are more different than you think. win 10-0 to papua new guinea, win 4-2 to india. win 4-3 kyrgyzstan and there are top in group D fifa asian qualifier 2026.
new squad but not tested yet against strong team except Kyrgyz, India, China and Tajikistan.. still have Kyrgyz away game though for World cup 2026/Asia cup 2027 qualifiers.
@@arsarjan9947 Kyrgyz, India, China, and Tajikistan are also weak teams bro
they also draw 2-2 against syria recently@@arsarjan9947
malaysia rank 146 before they bet them all and now 130@@user-zn5js9xd2w
@@user-zn5js9xd2w They are not top 10 in Asia but definitely not easy opponents at least for team outside top 18 Asia.. with superior Fifa ranking - China 79, Kyrgyz 98, India 102, Tajikistan 105.
Polking said before the China game that if they fail to win, he was going to resign. Also Ishii was the technical director of the national team already, so is familiar with the system and players.
Of course this is not a good situation before a major tournament, but they had to walk the talk. Also tbf, under Polking Thailand was very leaky in defense. Whilst we all enjoy offensive football, managers are judged on their results, and Thailand just didnt get the results under Polking
In football there are always surprises. that's what Indonesia will do as an underrated team, surprising all predictions.
Indonesia = 💩
My guy, i need your copium supplier because good god that's extremely optimistic
@@peacechan4500 We'll see later in the tournament.
Narkoboy. 🤭
I do like your presentation, bro. Thanks for enlightening us. You got me laughing....a lot...😅😄
Good! That means I did my job 😎
I amazed by how fast he talking without stop for a moment
This channel is going to blow up. Keep it up!
Yea yea good comments and good vision on Malaysian team.
yes Indonesia never beat vietnam since 2016, but last night was 3 points 😁💪💪💪
Big up Arif Aiman
honestly this discussion is pretty accurate...as south east asian, i do feel, Malaysia maybe got better chance (i hope so) because of the team and looking at previous game, they beat krygyz, draw with syria and china at away..quite promising squad, their stats last year also quite amazing, they beat india...but indonesia and vietnam are all done. Group D is a death group. You got Iraq and Japan bro and looking at their previous games, i dont think it quite possible but the ball is round maybe miracle can happen. Thailand, personally i think they got hope and looking at krygyz and oman, thailand actually can got draw or win..if the coach is clever enough to use/play tactically. This discussion is so fun. glad you make it😂
Harimau Malaya Semenanjung Taik fully fortified with imports and naturalised players but I think they will still knocked out earlier in the tournament 👎👎
Four best 3rd place team might as well qualify to round of 16.
@@Joceyln_chua yada yada yada😂
Thanks for the nice comment friend. I hope to you join us for livestreams on the channel when the tournament starts!
Msia must not let in easy goals, keeper need to be aggresive n confident wth high balls..i hv big trust in the attcking line up..they can create goals wth little opening..also from set pieces.
Agree. As Malaysian i m worry abt Malaysian defence n goalkeeping..
@@shamsolbahari9471tu la.. keeper ngan defense manjang minum ketum sebelum perlawanan.. tu manjang khayal je atas padang.. sakit hati betull. midfield, wing, atacking semua dah power.. keeper ngan defense plak buat hal.. kalau apek jadi keeper, mesti lengkap la team ni.. aku x impress langsung ngan shihan
@@_slier kita bukan merendahkan .. cuma itu fakta yg kita nampak. Syihan sederhana je. Harap dia dpt lebih alert, tangkas dan latihan2 sebelum kejohanan ada impact yg besar utk diri dia.
I think maybe it's not yet time for Southeast Asian countries (aff) to make it to the final but the 2023 Asian Cup will be a moment of revival for Southeast Asian football, like Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam and maybe the Philippines in the future.
"Divine intervention required" 😂
Call me biased “Because i am.” for malaysia but hear me out, i do see them having hope in their group because recently they just drew against Syria once again for the second time now, the attacking and midfield options are excellent but what worries me are the defence, attacking wise i can vouch that they are the most exciting team to watch at “for the moment” since they have been heavily focused on their flanks when it comes to their attacking, and they are very versatile when they are attacking as well, their left back and right back can be attacking fullbacks if needed, especially Corbin Ong who can transition from a traditional defender to an attacking one if needed, but that’s where the problems arrises, since they are heavily focused of attacking, sometimes their back lines will become a three man back lines, giving more space for their opponents in the flanks if they do transition into attacking and i think that’s where the “problem” if i can even call it that, of getting scored at during the first half, but another thing that should be noted with the Malaysian team is that they are stubborn like mule type shit stubborn when it comes to winning, they would do anything to win heck even send their defenders to the front if needed which happens a lot, well that’s one of the traits that i like about the Malaysian team, is that they just won’t GIVE UP🔥🇲🇾
It's actually five, since Australia is technically Southeast Asian by its membership virtue. By counting this in, only Australia has anything to win it again, although their form is quite sluggish at best.
If you are counting the four indigenous Southeast Asian nations, then there are questions to be take:
*Malaysia* has the brightest, because Jordan and Bahrain are not in good shapes. With only South Korea taking the role as big boy in this group, Malaysia can play to their fullest against Jordan and Bahrain. The bet is they can advance.
*Thailand* will have to require a lot of individual intervention if they really wish to make it through. Saudi Arabia is certainly too much, but Oman and Kyrgyzstan are neither easy. Oman has been historically a very, very troubled foe for every Southeast Asian nation, and Kyrgyzstan recently has proven their worth... by shocking everybody with a 1-0 win over Oman. Given this, Thailand needs to accumulate at least a win over Kyrgyzstan or they are likely doomed.
*Indonesia* is not cohesive as a team and they have proven with a poor 1-1 draw to the Philippines. If there is no improvement right now they will face a huge problem.
*Vietnam* is plagued by injuries like never before and in fact it is the most hit team in this competition because of Troussier's radical duel tactics. Yet this is a team that has always, at some points, managed to defy logics, as the team has proven in 2007, 2019 Asian Cups and 2022 WCQs by snatching a win each.
In many aspects, I think Thailand has to prove a lot, as they failed to live up to expectation many times. Malaysia should feel lucky with this given opportunities. Indonesia is nearly hopeless and Vietnam is... I don't know.
You’re right, Australia technically are SE Asian 😂 but haven’t they declined to participate in every single ASEAN competition?
Jordan beat Qatar last night.. Mousa Tamari play for Montpellier in Ligue 1 France.. and 3 players in Qatar league.
@@TheDeadBallTVyeah the senior sometimes declined the invitation but U-23 always played in ASEAN tournament
i think in future all oceania can participate in aff cup since they can beat each other. australia already request to join SEA but there have some condition before they can join@@TheDeadBallTV
STY is still experimenting his squad for last 4 years till to this very minute.🤔🤔
Bruh , Thailand didn't even started the training camp yet.Thai league was still going and they will regroup by tomorrow (the league rest at 6 January).Idk about Thailand man,im sooo worried
woah thats terrible. like how short of training and preparation period could they have?? ppl been pushing here and there and the thais will just started tmrw??? mad.. they cant even have a proper rest.
Indonesia has been called the underdog and looked down by every so called pundits but end up proving them wrong. proud of my boys
Actually in the past it was harder to qualify from Asia to the World Cup , it was only one spot qualified all the time , strongest teams were Iran ,South Korea ,North Korea , Israel and Australia .Trust me Japan became strong team in Asia after 1998 .
before 2019, it was harder to quality to Asian cup .. it has only 16 spots.. For this edition, north korea not participating as they withdrew from the qualification round due to Covid situation during that time.
Yea , im talking about Asian football from the beginning ,before 1980@@arsarjan9947
Was it actually competitive though? South Korea was the only team that consistently always made it to the World Cup.
I think so , South Korea was super power in Asia till Iran became powerful from 1968 till 1979 , then Iranian Islamic revolution occurred as result Iran become unstable sate like North Korea till now.@@dannnsss8034
Malaysia will be competitive, Romel Morales will add some added firepower up top, Arif Aiman, Faisal Halim and Safawi will cook up top as well. As long as we can win the midfield duels and progress the ball up to the players above, we should be cookinggggg.
🤮🤮Harimau Malaya Semenanjung Taik fully fortified with imports and naturalised players but still will knocked out earlier 👎👎
@@Joceyln_chua atleast we are in qatar and not at home :) where's your country?
@@gene5902... She sad at corner and waiting singaporean hoping and dreamed about Asia games... It's never can happen except being host... And I see, she really provoke to Malaysia in every channel that talked about Malaysia
However, Middle eastern team will play pass midfielders with long ball and physical runs. Malaysia need to watch out for that.
@@ChopperMXgaming if we can capitalize and counter attack, i know our forwards can make something happen. Arif Aiman will be looking to impress the world im pretty sure!
Malaysia maybe concede many goals, yes when different defenders but not the same attackers.
We will score just whether it will be enough.
thanks for talking about Indonesia❤
The ability of the Indonesian national team usually comes out when many people look down on it, this was proven when in the 2020 AFF Cup, at that time they were even able to reach the final.
However, as an Indonesian, I am realistic that the points that can be taken are only 4 points by beating Vietnam and draw against Iraq.
I am from Spain, but given my extended family are Filipinos myself, I have been following the Philippines and, in general, Southeast Asian football. I would say that Southeast Asian football has a severe issue with how to foster its distinct identity, because, despite passion for fans, they are not smart at fulfilling it.
In my country, every football club helps fostering grassroot movement, for simple Athletic Bilbao nurtured players with Basque origins, Barcelona blossomed players with distinctive tiki-taka playing style, to how Atletico Madrid builds career for players based on strict discipline (previously Atleti was an air force club) or how Sevilla embraced the beauty of football with its Andalusian origin. This clearly fosters Spanish football and provides Spain with a cause to believe for.
In Southeast Asia, however, football seems to be run by corporators or hooligans, not football fans genuinely. In Vietnam for example, it is shocking that the military, the police and even businessmen named their clubs as properties and not for football fans (examples being Hanoi Police Club or Viettel The Cong) - both violated the unwritten laws of football club not being a property for any state institution - hell why Vietnam has never seen its potential. Meanwhile, Indonesia has a poor management team and thus clubs are largely operated by corrupt businessmen and hooligans, hence so many cases of deadly violence. Even in Thailand, long seen as model, Thailand's clubs are deeply influenced by figures with tie to the monarchy, rather than being promoted from grassroots, hell why Thai clubs are so successful yet their national team sucks.
Southeast Asia should get rid of institutional, hooligan football, or Southeast Asia will never learn to progress.
Southeast Eurasian and Oceania
Demi lencana di dada , berjuang la harimau ku ...
I am surprised that some people still think Thailand has more opportunities but they don't mention what kind of opponents they are going to face. Thailand is not facing Bahrain or the UAE, but they are facing Saudi Arabia and Oman. Have anybody forgotten that Oman is a team combined with skills and their East African origin players? When the Omani Empire expanded to East Africa in the 16th century, they enslaved and brought home many East Africans. East Africans are notoriously renowned for being physical, agile and very fast, hence why East African nations are very successful at marathon, such as Mo Farah (British Somali) or Haile Gebreselassie (Ethiopia). Oman has perfectly combined the art of skills and East African genes, hence why they have always triumphed over Southeast Asians.
Considering this factor, Thailand should try to neutralise Omani runners first before trying to score, which is, sadly, something they did so poorly in the past.
Thanks for history lesson.
and later in March, Malaysia will face Oman in the world cup 2026/asia cup 2027 qualifiers.
Oman isn't very dominant team 👀 , sometimes they Made Shock by beating Japan , sometimes they Lose from Kyrgyzstan, in Asian cup 2 Best 3rd rank team qualified. As long as they not lose by high margin they still has chances to qualify . Event with 1-0-2 still able to qualify in Asia .
Makes sense
Love your analysis. Absolutely right, as Vietnamese we are doomed: Players are not good, young and inexperienced.
All South East Asian teams suffer from the same issue… size. They all lack overall size and physicality (e.g. Thais looked very small against China in their recent World Cup Qualifier, it was a thing that stood out to me in that match). Don’t know how they solve this tbh, maybe they should start selecting for size over technique, or naturalize larger players.
personally they can get both, size and skills...
Size doesn't matter that also. Look at Chile during their prime, they didn't have many big sized players yet their aggressive tempo helped them win two Copa Americas.
If you think size matters so much…see japan at the World Cup. Football is not a size game.
Modern football no longer relies solely on the size of the players. This is because the game now emphasizes technical and tactical skills to defeat the opposing side. Moreover, the current Malaysian national squad, except for a few players, generally has a height of 7'10" or above.
@@amidkk 7'10" or above.... are you kidding. Are they basketballers in the NBA...wow
As an indonesian i was like "oh shit" 😅
But it's oke i hope we can still fight!
i'm a filipino supporting japan, idk why i'm watching this
😂
Atleast you can support ASEAN county too my neighbors and I believe Filipines can go to Asia cup later and also chance to round 3 qualified Asia too... And me and my country usually sopport our ASEAN country that participated in international even though my country not qualify
And Also Filipino teams are growing better than before, that's why I still hoping for you😊
*Tough for Asean Countries. Its the beginning of long journey.*
For you information:
Before 2016, Vietnam always lost against Indonesia. But after being trained by Korean coach Park Hang Seou, Vietnam's way of playing changed, playing rough and provocative, one of the Indonesian star players who became a victim was Evan Dimas. That's why it's difficult for Indonesia to win against Vietnam, especially in the AFF Cup because Vietnam plays rough. During an interview, Park Hang Seo admitted himself that when fighting Indonesia, the tactics he used were playing rough and provoking because he knew that Indonesian players were easy to provoke. Maybe it would be a different story if it was in the AFF Cup has VAR. In the Asian Cup, Vietnam will no longer be coached by Park Hang Sou, the game will change. Yes, my prediction is that Indonesia will win Vietnam, draw or even win closely against Iraq, and lose against Japan.
We'll see, Indonesia will suprise you.
Indonesia = 💩
What are you talking about😂😂 you are so biased bro. Vietnam always thrash Indonesia and this time won't be different
@@XCIX898 how old are you kid? I followed the Indonesian team from the 90s, Vietnam had never won 9 times in a row before 2016, Vietnam was able to draw against Indonesia and was very good, at that time Indonesia considered Vietnam a weak team, only after being trained by Park Hang Seo, Vietnam could match Indonesia.
as a Malaysian, I do think we have a good chance against both Bahrain and Jordan, will be aiming for atleast 4 points from these two games. as for the Korea game, honestly it's a rare opportunity for us to even get a game against a top 30 World Cup nation, so I honestly don't even mind if we lose, provided we play a good game and get a few chances or even score a goal ourselves, who knows? but at best we're expecting from this one is 1 point obviously. We really are feeling confident of advancing out of the group for the first time ever and atleast make the round of 16. Harimau Malaya 🐯great video dude, subscribed 👍
Just to remind you that... our U23 has beaten Korean U23 5 years ago during Asian Games. Some players are there in both team including Son for the Korean. Our players havent played at top level yet and cannot play due to our Fifa ranking.
As a malaysian i just want our squad to play 100% and korea give their 1st squad instead of second squad.
Actually, back in the 2023 AFF Cup, Malaysia, we were putting out our second stringers and third stringers, many of them have not played in major competitions or even got called up before prior to the tournament. But still, you're spot on, attacking wise, we are absolutely superb, stocked with talent bombing forward, defence however, we still have doubts. Whatever it is, we do not expect much, just hoping that we could put up a fight against the top sides!
As a Czech-Viet myself, I can see why people distrust Vietnam's chance. However, there is another reason: Vietnam's policy has always been Bilbaolesque, which is based on the paranoia of race, language and culture (a typical Athletic Bilbao alike). Whereas Thailand, Indonesia and Malaysia practise relaxed naturalisation policies, Vietnam's naturalisation process has been hampered by demand that this person must know how to speak Vietnamese, behave like Vietnamese and live like Vietnamese, and that having origin from Vietnam alone doesn't guarantee you a place in the national team. That's why Vietnam has, in the past, rejected players that have Vietnamese origins just because they don't feel Vietnamese enough. This troublesome Athletic Bilbao-style policy should not be applied to a national team.
Not anymore .
Filipe Nguyen (Viet-czech)
Adriano Schmidt (viet-German)
Jason Quang vinh (viet-french)
Martin Lo (viet-aussie)
Dang Van lam ( viet-russia)
Has been called up / try .
As far as i know , only Dang Van lam (and probably) Jason & Filip Better than locals .
@@Luonguyen457 Vietnam should be like Bilbao, that's the best for your locals.
Interesting point of view. Malaysia should enter the field with cautious confidence
Hola from 🇲🇾🇲🇾
@Dead ball TV* u have done such videos on asean nations why not do the same for saff nations man?
No offence intended but I really believe Indonesia will lost all games this time. Japan and Iraq is a way too much for them and Vietnam is slightly better than Indonesia. Malaysia is an exciting team but we will see.
Pemain indo termuda dipiala asia
Yeah. No
On paper, tough job.
Malaysia in AFF and AFC Tournament results is not related at all bruh .
During AFF Cup they only send Non Abroad player + Non Continental club player ( Non JDT Non KL City at that case) . Endryck sound so promising for me since He play for Real Madrid 🐧🐧 i mean Real JDT and former Brazil Serie A .
I can't understand why Malaysia follows Indonesia in naturalizing players, the difference is that they recruit players from the middle of nowhere from 4 to 5 tier league, even those who don't have Malaysian blood.
@@kedaigera4286 Because most country arround the world doing that and Give big impact as long as the integration success . In Asia Event most isolated country like North Korea Calls up player from Japan Chosun Heritage Jong Tae Tse and Young Hak anh , two most key player to qualify for 2010 world cup.
@@kedaigera4286 just several hours ago Malaysia Hold draw Syria 2-2 a massive results . Vietnam several Times handle Syria & Jordan .
Indonesia handle Kuwait . Thailand handle Bahrain . Good impact from Foreign based player with integrity with the locals . In the past Asean team only can handle Yemen from Middle east country .
Lol, your face looks like Elkan Bagot😅😅 beloved best Indonesian player
Damn I kinda do 😂
Tim indo usia paling muda di turnamen ini
Ok,
Why do you say it's impossible for Indonesia to win against Vietnam?
Have you ever watched all the Indonesia vs Vietnam matches?
In the 2020 AFF Cup Indonesia vs Vietnam the score was 0-0 and Vietnam didn't even shoot on target, Indonesia topped the group after beating Malaysia 4-1 and Indonesia at that time was average U23.
In the 2022 AFF Cup Semifinal leg 1 against Vietnam, Indonesia's game was much more dominant with lots of opportunities, but unfortunately it was a 0-0 draw.
I'm sure he only looks at head to head data, doesn't watch the match, that's why he underestimates how Indonesia can win the match without caring about other factors.
Lol… indon vs Iraq 5-1 while Vietnam vs iraq 1-0 (last minute goal)… Vietnam vs pinoy 2-0 while indon vs pinoy 1-1 …. Not to forget beaten twice by Libya despite using naturalised player
@@zulkiflidaud2472and dont Forget Indonesia 4 vs 1 Malaysia
@@zulkiflidaud2472 Iraq, Philippines vs Indonesia, played at their home
Vietnam vs Iraq, played at Vietnam's home. Playing at home is an advantage.
fyi Vietnam and Philipines they never won when playing at the GBK stadium Jakarta.
Against Libya, I will quote coach STY statement.
STY statement after the first leg against Libya :
"The players came to Turkey, so until one day before the match we focused on physical training. So yesterday's match didn't mean anything. I just want to check the condition of the players without looking at the score"
STY statement after leg 2 :
"This is an anticipation of the match against Iraq using several formations. The players have all worked hard. Apart from the final score, I am satisfied with the players' performance in today's match"
"We ask the supporters not to be too hasty in giving an assessment of the team's development. Be a little more patient so that the progress of Indonesian football will definitely improve,"
bro are you sure the 2020 aff match malaysia is worth it?? That year, the Malaysian team was almost destroyed by the corona virus, while Vietnam was in a series of losses in the third qualifying round of the world cup, was in bad form and was tormented by the corona virus, your comparison is really stupid. stupid bruhh.
I'm Indonesian and it's obvious that on paper we're not expected to win against Iraq and Japan or even Vietnam, but somehow a portion of our fanbase (the glory hunters) are furious about it. This is our first ever Asian Cup in 17 YEARS, yet they expect the team to perform EXACTLY like we did against non-armed Argentina months ago. That was a FRIENDLY MATCH, while this is a REAL COMPETITION, and with a total of THREE hard opponents in the same group didn't help much either.
On the other hand I understand that our squad are filled with talented young guns who are still raw and not blended enough tactically and mentally, so I just want them to enjoy the moment, play well, gain experience, BUT not to lose in ease so they can shape themselves for years to come. We are definitely an underdog in this tournament, so let's just support them and reduce our expectations, Indonesian fans!
I want to note that Shin Tae Yong's contract is going to be expired by June this year, and the final talks of his extension will mainly evaluated from Indonesia's performance in both Asian Cup and WC Qualifiers. Some of our local "pundits" and "fans" are now pulling the agenda of firing him despite the progress that he and his team made for these five years (minus two years of Covid). As a fan, I'm afraid this would be happened and as a consequence, the development of our national team would be stalled and have to start all over again with no real deal after it, given that our federation PSSI virtually have no real visionary roadmap for the football development in Indonesia (unlike Japan's JFA with their 100 years plan), plus some of our local "pundits", "fans", and even the "executives" inside the federation are RACIST to the half-blood/ancestry-based players. They are the same people who push for Shin Tae Yong exit while also blaming him for the lack of local players from Indonesian league in the national team, despite the quality of the league itself is low-tier.
what is your nationality bro ?
❤ from india.
Guess 🤔
@@TheDeadBallTV Japanese
He has a typical thick American English accent. So I guess he is from the USA.
@@Bunggil but he doesn't look like American bro
@@HD21856
How do you think an American look like? Obviously you have not been to America that often. Anyways, he cud be a Japanese-American or an American-Japanese.
6:16 YES WE DID BEAT VIETNAM!
YOU TRULY NEVER WATCH INDONESIAN GAMES AGAINST VIETNAM YOU JUST LOOK AT THE RESULT AND DATA YET TALK LIKE AN EXPERT 😂
this guy just watch the score and yeah that enough information lmao
We didn't play with the best squad when in Iraq and the Philippines we lost Marselino and Ivar, we were jetlagged and had to adapt to the synthetic grass of the Philippines. At that time it was very difficult for our squad in Indonesia because we lost 2 players at that time and it felt very empty but we are back
no more excuses. Indonesia is hopeless. the weakest team in the tournament
😂. excuses and claim is synonim with indonesia😂
bro indo is weakest team
vietnam or indonesia have slightly chances to go for 1 of 4 best 3rd places. on paper both team will lose to japan and iraq. vietnam have chances against iraq if no VAR implemented because kickboxing is part or their tactical plan. i think indonesia can win vs vietnam. thai with chanatip i think have better chances to win vs rep kyrgys and draw againts oman. malaysia need 4 points from first 2 matches, i think malaysia have better chances to win vs bahrain. better squad compare their last meeting.
finished - vietnam (var will be against their tactical play and no park hang seo. i knew why phs doesnt renew maybe its because of var)
Divine Intervention Required- indonesia
there's hope - malaysia and thailand ( i think malaysia have better chances than thailand)
Thats true, Before 2016, Vietnam always lost against Indonesia. But after being trained by Korean coach Park Hang Seou, Vietnam's way of playing changed, playing rough and provocative, one of the Indonesian star players who became a victim was Evan Dimas. That's why it's difficult for Indonesia to win against Vietnam, especially in the AFF Cup because Vietnam plays rough. During an interview, Park Hang Seou admitted himself that when fighting Indonesia, the tactics he used were playing rough and provoking because he knew that Indonesian players were easy to provoke. Maybe it would be a different story if it was in the AFF Cup has Var. In the Asian Cup, Vietnam will no longer be coached by Park Hang Sou, the game will change. Yes, my prediction is that Indonesia will win Vietnam, draw or even win closely against Iraq, and lose against Japan.
fun fact, Park Hang Seo was Guus Hiddink's assistant when he coached South Korea at the 2002 World Cup, at that time Korea played rough.
Vietnam Lost by slight margin From Japan & Iraq make them still possible to qualify to the next round , Indonesia get Mauled , that's the Differences Between Vietnam and indoholland . Eventhought Indonesia miracle beat Vietnam , they Will get Mauled 0-5 by Iraq and 0-7 by japan .
Defense Malaysia little bit worry
Yeah lol, especially Dominic tan💀hope Kim Pan Gong don't list him in main 11 squad
@@nubitafr Dominic Maguire always worry me..i hope KPG can fix him 🤣🤣
2nd half . minit 60 keatas mesti malaysia kureng skit.. harp kpg ada formula nak baiki
@@Mergastua selalu minit 40 atau 45 pun kena bolos juga ingat lawan Kyrgyzstan
yep, and harap dom & akhyar main sub. so far nampak lagi effective gitu
You don't know much about the Indonesian team. It is true that the average young player is under 25 years old, but several players have played a lot in the senior team for more than 30 caps, there are also many naturalized players who play in European leagues (Belgium, Netherlands, even in the EPL and EFL England). FYI, when they played against Iraq and the Philippines in the World Cup qualifiers yesterday they didn't field their best squad, Marselino and Ivar were injured. I think Indonesia will make a surprise in the Asian Cup later.
Kasih tau bang.. tim indonesia mode tournament😎😎
bro indo is weakest team in tournament
Who is the Indonesian Player who plays in the EPL?
@@ruidean72 jordi amat..swansea city..justin hubner.. wolverhampton
@@user-ce2fe4qf7e Swansea are not in the EPL, and Hubner has played 0 games for Wolves. Once he plays his first game in EPL, then you can say they have an EPL player.
🇮🇩Indonesia will break through to knock out round, just tag me😏
Ttap smngat ya bang walaupun banyak yg meremehkan kita🇮🇩 ttap doa yg trbaik buat garuda di dada
@@cahndeso7505 pastilah kita do'akan supaya mereka bisa lolos👍🤲
Underdog south east asia
and we beat vietnam
Malaysia with 14 naturalization player.
nope. only 5 are naturalized. other is malaysia descent. keep crying until your realise who is playing for france, qatar, england and etc. please come out from the cave. nobody care about all this naturalized player now days. 😂
List all those players😒
"lack of football knowledge"
Are they good though?
@@TheDeadBallTV Malaysia with 4 naturalized players and 10 heritages players
Indonesia 🇮🇩
Dortmund , Syria , Palestine , China, uae , Jordan Get their ball possesion , We We take our point' back home 😎 .
Indonesia king of asean,champion of the galaxy,the only player tackel garnacho, remember the name,ASNAWI the javanese warrior. Indonesia bisa!! king of lato lato
😂😂😂. konoha hadirrrr
iri bilang mas. kita liatin aja nnti ya. king indo bisa menang piala dangdut asia ama piala lato2.
Lol malaydesh
Malaysia can win korea but they can not win japan
How malaysia win korea?
Malaysia beat Korea way back in 2018 for Ur infor ...@@standard6363
@@standard636370'-80' they are rival bro
couldn’t win against China , how to win against South korea.
full parking bus defense and counter that is only way@@standard6363
Thai here we will beat Oman and Kyrgyzstan mark my word.
Funfact no one ever favorited indonesia to go through the final tournament
Idk, they even prefer Malaysia, whose team and player quality is below Indonesia, even the quality of Vietnam's players in the AFC Cup this time is below Indonesia. Maybe they are based on the previous head to head where even the players and coaches were different, and also based on the FIFA ranking even though Indonesia often wins against FIFA rankings that are far above.
@@gilardi567 thats why im not surprised, so just lets see how far will they go
You mean no one predicts Indonesia to qualify for the last 16, right? realistically, looking at the composition of the players, Indonesia has a better chance of qualifying for the last 16 than Vietnam.
@@gilardi567what are you smoking? malaysia has higher quality player and team. just look at their winning streak and ranking compare to king indo. king indo on losing streak. stat wise, malaysian team quality is way above the king indo team.
@@thegamexxx9011 In the last match, Indonesia beat Malaysia 4-1, so?
Are there any Malaysian players playing in good European leagues?
List of Indonesian players currently playing in Europe :
1. Shandy Walls (Mechelen, Belgium)
2. Ivar Jener (Utrech, Netherlands)
3. Rafael Struick (Ado DenHag, Netherlands)
4. Elkan Bagot, (Ipswich Town, England)
5. Justin Hubner (Wolverhampton, England)
6. Shayne Patinama (Viking FC, Norway)
7. Marselino Ferdinand (Deinze, Belgium)
List of Indonesian players who have previously played in Europe
8. Jordi Amat, has played for Real Betis, Rayo Valecano, Espanyol (laliga), Swansea City (England)
9. Mark Klok, has played in utrech, Netherland)
10. Witan Sulaeman, has played in Slovakia
11. Egy Maulana, has Played in Poland and Slovakia
Indonesian players who did not play in the Asian Cup 2024 ; Jay Idzes (Venezia, Italy)
They play in the top tier and second tier European leauge.
hes malaysian no doubt haha
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The indonesian fan in the comment section are not chill. The fact that they cant beat philipine and at least draw with iraq and libya(latest friendly) show how bad their defense and they also not very effective in scoring goal. But the underdog title is something that they can utilize it to snatch a win or draw against big team
its okay, we know our team better than anyone else, we know coach STY very well, when we played against Iraq and the Philippines there were various problems in our team, including fitness and tactical problems because it was not yet complete as a ready team. against Libya STY only tests the extent of the player's fitness, he is not concerned with losing or not, please check the source for the factual.
fyi.. many Indonesian players have suffered injuries before, and they are important players.
Jordi Amat, Ivar Jener, Marcelino, Asnawi, Shandy Walls, Yacob Sayuri.
Against Libya they played 45 minutes to see their fitness condition.
Stfu, it's normal in football
u sure jan?
Australia is also a part of the Southeast Asian sub confederation.... Why did you leave them out? Go Australia 🦘🦘🦘🐨🐨🐨
No, they don’t. That’s not because they are not talented, but that is because they don’t understand football. Specifically, they don’t know their greatest weakness and how to improve it.
Iraq won 5-1 because Iraq played at home, which Indonesia did not prepare and the problem was that many of the players were late because they were still playing at their clubs, and there were main players who were injured. when playing against Philippines, Indonesia is not in good condition, especially since the long journey from Iraq to the Philippines, and Indonesian players are not used to playing on synthetic grass. Every time Indonesia plays at the Rizal Memorial Stadium Manila, they always play badly, even if they win, they only have a 1 goal difference.
Ya, if they had played in a neutral place, I'm sure Iraq would have won by no more than 1 goal, the same as against Vietnam, or Indonesia could have even drawn.
@@gilardi567 we'll see it at a neutral venue, Honestly, I'm not sure Indonesia can draw against Iraq in Qatar, Let see results of the match against Iran today.
Excuses, Excuses.....
@@ruidean72 not excuses, that's fact, update : Indonesia win 1-0 againts Vietnam.
@@ruidean72 I have said before that Indonesia's World Cup qualifiers were not yet complete because many were injured, 3 to 4 Indonesian players who could not play against Iraq and the Philippines in the World Cup qualifiers, but played well in the Asian Cup.
Gue setuju banget... Timnas Indonesia masih bisa lolos serta juara piala donia. Indonesia udah level donia... Nga lagi di peringkat Asia. Timnas Indonesia tim terkuat G20 dikalangan Asean.
Malon detected wkwkwk
jiran detected
emangnya loe iri. timnas benernya udah juara walau belum tanding di ajang piala asia. marselino ama tingkat messi ama ronaldo bisa bantai korsel jepang iran. asnawi tekel garnacho bikin son birit2 dicelana!!
Malaysian typing 😂😂😂😂
@@WedfGum. wARGA mALINGSIA memang aneh.. suka menyamar menghasut dan mengadu domba.. persis warisan kolonial inggris wkwkkw
NO
malaysia let'go
W
Final malaysia vs Iran, Iran win 2-1 😅 coach Kim pan gon brilliant chose malay players most faster and naturalisasi players defender
AMIN
haha.. aku kagum dengan jiwa patriotik ko bro.. tp memang x akan berlaku.. jepun/korea/arab saudi/iran/uzbek boleh tibai malaysia anytime.. 10 perlawanan terakhir Jepun, semua diaorang menang.. tang mana la Malaysia boleh masuk final.. sudah2 la bro minum ketum
Iran won Burkina Faso 2 1 , Qatar lost to Jordan 1 2 today, I want watch how South Korea will play against Iraq . if they draw then Iran can beat South Korea in the quarter-final :)
Indonesian team will surprised you...
As 25% Vietnam patriot ,
3 games , 1 win againts Indonesia , 2 draw Pretty possible if we Fighting till our last breath . Or atleast 1-1-1. Or the worst 1-0-2 Vietnam still able to qualify , They don't let Iraq & Japan score too much Goals .
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2018 Malaysia beat Korea 2-1
That was the U23 team, and this time it is a different team on another level. With some/most of them are playing in europe.
Not saying that Malaysia cannot win, but let us be realistic at the moment.
Berjuanglah!!
Pahlawanku!!
#BerjuanglahPahlawanku
#HarimauMalaya
#UM07
@@CucuBravo The squad that played against Malaysia at that time also had players who play in the senior squad now,like kim min jae,hwang he chan,son heung min and hwang in beom..and also have hwang ui jo,the one who missed the call up because of the court case he was facing..and all this is first eleven..only son played in second half in minutes 57
Malaysia’s recent match with China 1-1. South Korea’s recent match with China 3-0.
@@amr1832 Malaysia’s recent match with China 1-1. South Korea’s recent match with China 3-0.
@@amr1832 they are not under 23 anymore.. plus they have full south korea squad with them this Asian cup.
ASEAN are just spoiled the beauty of Asian football😂😂
What a stupid comment!
But still a mile Better Than south Asian Unwashed hand .
As a malaysian, i can tell you if our defends and goalkeeper doesn't smoke any weed before the game, we can go very far in the tournament.. but the problem is, they are always fucking high during the match.. they always wonder around like a zombie on the field.. in almost every game they conceded goals..annoying as fuck..
Vietnam is the king of Southeast Asean. We will be the only one to qualify into the next round❤❤
Indonesia : "I'm probably gonna be close to go to round of 16."
Japan and Iraq : "No you're not."
1-Japan 2-Korea 3-Iran 4-soudi Arabia 5-Australia
Indonesia is hopeless. will go home early. their naturalizes squad is from lower grade player. no teamwork, no spirit to win. their coach is not very tactical minded. adding salt to the wound,they will face a mighty contender 100 times better than them.i bet they will get thrashed by japan and iraq
Sorry.. Indonesia naturalizes player from lower grade?
Do you think the Spain, England, Dutch and Belgian leagues are lower grade?
Indonesia naturalizes player:
1. Jordi has played at Real Betis, Rayo Valecano, Espanyol (Laliga), Swansea City (England).
2. Elkan Bagot (Ipswich Town, England),
3. Justin Hubner (Wolve, EPL England)
4. Sandy Walls (Mechelen, Belgium).
5. Ivar Jener (Utrech, Netherlands). 6. Rafael Struick (Ado Den Hag, Netherlands).
Kita tunggu kick offnya🇮🇩🇮🇩💪💪
Thanks for your comment, Vietnam! I think Indo will do just fine.
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Why do all CZcamsrs wearing Japan T-shirt and predicting Japan and South Korea in the Final ? were not the same people doing the same things for Senegal in the World Cup ? every time people are doing this I feel they all see opposite what they expect ! leave the like if you are agree .
Probably because there are more Koreans and Japanese in Europe, and they always make the World Cup, aaaand Anime 😂
I have a friend from Ecvador ,he is obsessed with Japan and South Korea , He is a gadget guy who collects games and consoles and love Japanese and Korean girls .@@TheDeadBallTV
Indonesia Thailand and Vietnam beat each other ... Maybe Vietnam is the strongest
Malaysia will win this Asia cup for sure..Our league team JDT which consist majority of our national team easily beat Korean top team Ulysan Hyundai many time ,draw with Kawasaki and beat Kashima Antler..
Also dont forget JDT beat top Bulgarian and Russian team in pre season friendly..What else? Even our mid tier league team Terengganu beat Australian top team Central Coast Mariner in the AFC cup..
Now all these top players getting together to hunt down entire Asian team and nobody can deny Malaysian chance to even beat Korea and Japan since we already beat their top league team countless time..Just look at our current national friendly record and you should understand that 130 ranking only on paper when in the reality ,we can easily challenge and hold any team below 100 ranking in Asia..Even Saudi afraid to play friendly for pre match and cancel in the last minute cause they feel we can win the group and face them in final 16..
Hope to meet Qatar in final and humiliate the host themself infront their own crowd..💪
bro, aku admire ko punya semangat tu. tp hang minum ketum ke apa woi? jepun/korea/arab saudi/iran nak letak mana? berpijak di bumi nyata bro.. kita jauh lagi dari diaorang semua..pagi2 dok blasah nasi lemak/roti canai, pastu nak compete ngan diaorang semua.. xdo harapan la..
@@_slier ko sangka saudi kalahkan argentina tak..?masa tu argentina ko letak kat mana dol?🤣
I'm Malaysian but bruh you're stupid to say this at least. The far we can get is knockout or quarter final. We are still far below top tier team - Japan Iran south Korea Saudi
Maca mana sekarang masih percaya ke malaysia nak menangkan AFC asia cup?@@truthseekermalaysian1581
sup bro?
Vietnam is the strongest south-east Asian if we exclude Australia
Dear DeadBall TV,
Can you pls block @Joceyln_chiawood account for the benefit of your channel? Her remarks are very derogatory and very distasteful.
Thanks, bro.
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have you watched this match? Indonesia vs Argentina?
If you think Indonesia is a team whose players are still "babies"
Why is it difficult for Argentina to score goals against Indonesia? Why does Coach Scaloni look so nervous when he hasn't scored? Argentina players all play in elite clubs. Meanwhile, the Indonesian starting eleven here is an average age of U22 and not from an elite club.
List of starting eleven for Indonesia against Argentia:
Ernando (21 yo)
Asnawi (23 yo)
Elkan Baggott (20 yo)
Rizky Ridho (20 yo)
Ivar Jenner (19 yo)
Marselino Ferdinand (18 yo)
Shayne Pattynama (24 yo),
Dimas Drajad, (26)
Rafael Struick (20 yo)
Marc Klok (30 yo)
Jordi Amat (31 yo)
*their age when they face Argentina in June 2023.
I'm also confused why he looks at the age of the players instead of their quality, this is funny
yeah cant even win against the Philippines anyways...
@yeah, Philipines improve, but We'll see later at GBK stadium Jakarta
@ Even though Indonesia has physical problems and some players can't play, I see that the Philippines is making progress, especially as there are many Filipino players who play in Indonesian clubs, they play well.
@@gilardi567because with maturity you got knowledge and wisdom.. young player got skill and hunger, but usually clueless.. that is why