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I've been playing with the DBD for 4 months now coming from the CRBN2. At first I was popping up everything because the DBD has much more pop but my drives were an immediate improvement. I decided to stick with it and let me tell you that was a GOOD decision. Now I can control the paddle and it is an all around beast. It allows me to hit every thing with more pace and spin making it much harder for my opponents. Resets and dinking are good now too.
Dude I love this! Great success story here.
are you using the 16mm?
yea@@novubrown2780
Solid Review...Great job....I just got my DBD and Filth at the same time. DBD shipped it really fast. They were always out of stock so i wanted to go for B&B Filth after watching the reviews...Filth is a very good paddle only till you have not played with DBD. Once i picked up DBD, i had no hesitation in returning FIlth.
100% agree
Just bought DBD paddle after watching this review. Was so intrigued to try it after this review and given the such reasonable price point. Look foward to seeing how it feels compared to my 'diadem warrior edge' that i have been using.
In my opinion it will definitely be an upgrade man. Warriors are ok paddles, but very stiff and power oriented and not very solid in the spin / sweet spot category. I think you're gonna love it man.
After watching a lot of reviews on the DBD, i bought one on boxing day in the bundle package. I found the grip to feel a bit different to what i was playing with before. The first time i played with it it seemed a bit head heavy, but eventually got used to it. This is the first paddle coming from a fibreglass paddle, and I immediately saw a big difference in feel, third shot drops, dinking, and resets felt a lot easier. Coming from tennis i found the power in this paddle more than acceptable. The spin is just crazy with this paddle. I hit a topspin server that went high and immediately thought it was out but it just dove downward and his the baseline. Love this paddle
It really is an incredible paddle I’m glad you’re loving it!!
Down u get the power or control version
I got the 16 mm paddle, but I would and should of tried out the 14mm. Maybe next time, lol
Just played my first session with it and WOW am I impressed. Sucha great all around paddle,
Just really freaking solid man
Just played with my DBD 14 MM paddle and really enjoyed it. Spin is above avg and power was just fine. Really enjoyed it!!!
Love this! Always makes me happy. I love when I can help land someone on a great paddle and help their game while also creating some clarity in the space. So many paddles to choose from these days. Thank you so much! Enjoy!
I got my DBD 16mm last week and played a 2+ hour doubles advanced-intermediate session so these are just my initial thoughts. Picking it up, it feels nice; solid and noticeably light in the hand but weight balanced. The handle length is ideal; you can easily get extra backhand leverage or do a whippy forehand. I got the pink graphics which look great in the world of pure back CF. I'm not sure how i feel about the stock grip as its kind of thin/rubbery-smooth but that's really a nit pick. Performance, a lot of talk about its power but I felt it was actually nicely soft/plush. hitting serves/drives at about 75% exertion the ball stays comfortably in. Like any paddle, hitting while moving forward or not getting the wrist down on volleys sends the ball out. I felt the spin was the same as the other carbon fiber paddles i have (Electrum E and Solaire) but i didn't do a side-by-side comparison and don't generally hit with immense spin. The sweetspot felt solid like my thermo solaire. The thought that there are even softer thermo paddles than this seems funny. At the net the light weight and solid feel made for great hands/dinking play. Overall I like it because it is very nicely BALANCED. I originally was on the fence between this, the R1 pulsar and the B&B filth even thinking about getting one of those in addition but I was like 'if i can snatch one in the next shipment, ill go with it.' I would not mind trying other paddles to fine-tune exactly which one is the best for me but for me its not worth the time to demo/return so i will definitely keep it.
Yeah honestly after using the DBD the filth will be underwhelming. It's just an ok paddle, but the Pulsar and the DBD are just top paddles right now man. You made a solid choice. Also I love pink graphics and am going to get a pink one soon aswell. I think the pink looks awesome!! Great write up. Glad you're liking it :)
Just got the DBD and I’ll just say it feels different. You’re not gonna click with it right away but that’s ok. There’s more pop than a Joola and definitely more spin. Very light which makes me wonder how the extra weighted DBD would feel. Overall, I’m gonna keep trying it out to see if I’ll stick with it.
Love it!!
Also interested in how it compares to the forza
I bought both DBD and Forza. Comparing both still, but definitely if you like spin Forza has more texture for spin. They are very similar to me, but DBD was 8.2 and Forza 7.7 in static weight. Both had great swing weights for fast hands.
Going to say the same thing I said on another comment about this 😊 I like them both a ton! Forza is higher spin and has a bit more power. DBD has a larger sweet spot (in my testing this is what I feel) and feels a touch quicker for hand battles (both are the same stock weight but DBD 16mm is 114 swing weight and Forza 16mm is 117 swing weight) so very similar, I feel the DBD shape is just a touch quicker to maneuver. It would be hard to choose just one as they suit different players games differently. Id say if you value power and spin id go Forza, if you value sweet spot, and hand speed id go DBD. But seriously at the top (Forza, DBD, Pulsar) you just can't really go wrong!
Chris at The Pickleball Studio is measuring 5.3 on grip length. I have the DBD, def not 5.5. Good review.
Agreed....Handle length is 5.3in. I have the 14mm DBD. My Forza 14mm & 16mm hit very similar to my DBD. I prefer my Forza 16mm due to the 5.5 handle length.
Depends on where you measure it to! I measure it to the top of the usable area. I also take the rubber Six Zero grip band off and put an over-grip on so my usable area is closer to 5.6" but when I measured to the top of the Six Zero grip band which would be usable area for a 2 handed backhand it was 5.5". If you measure starting at the bottom of the grip band it is more like 5.3" yes. Thank you for this man! Good info and a good convo to have for others to read and learn from!
Love the Forza. As I've said so many times you just can't go wrong with a Forza, DBD, Pulsar etc. the paddles at the top right now are just awesome! Such a fun time to be in the pickleball world! Us gearheads are loving life.
I have the R1 Pulsar and got a chance to demo a friend’s DBD. Very similar. DBD a bit more stiff/powerful/pop. Was going to buy DBD but I think the difference is pretty small. Can’t go wrong with either.
I agree! Comparing the best paddles right now, the differences are pretty small. It just depends on what you're looking to prioritize for your game. Thank you for the input!
Do you guys put led on the R1 Pulsar??
i have experimented with it but chose not to. it's stable enough for me without lead
What one was tested? 16 or 14mm? What was the twistweight? Thanks.
16mm 6.65 TW definitely check out my review for the J2K from Honolulu Pickleball. Definitely my top pick for 2024.
Trying to decide between the DBD 16mm and Ballr Heat. Seems like the pop is the primarily difference?
Yes the pop is the primary difference. I’d go Ballr Heat 😊
I've bought and tried a bunch of paddles and keep going back to the DBD.
The DBD is just an incredible paddle man. Basically has been the best paddle in the space since release. Dale the owner is a proponent for quality over anything else and it definitely shows.
Thanks for the review- happy you got to experience the DBD and that you enjoyed it
It's really great man. Just a solid company and a solid paddle overall!
Can you explain how you are measuring power and pop?
It's mostly feel. Some CZcamsrs are using an MPH gun and ripping balls as hard as they can. But for me, I'm not usually hitting a ball 100% in play. But as I play with a new paddle over a month, and swap out other paddles that feel relative I can get a good idea of its power in comparison to other paddles available in the same category, and then I make a decision on the rankings. Mainly it just comes from experience, and having basically every paddle in the industry to test constantly.
How would you compare to Volair Forza. Are they pretty much identical or are their slight differences.
Very slight, forza is a bit more power and spin, but DBD has a slightly larger sweet spot and hand speed :)
Is the ratings/review for the 16mm or 14mm. I can't decide between the two. My understanding is the 14mm has a little more power and the 16mm has a little more forgiveness.
This is correct. I prefer 16mm personally. I like the feel and the forgiveness much more!
Ty@@stspickleball
Currently playing the CRBN 1x 16 and tried the Forza. Forza had way less power than 1x but larger sweet spot. Forza is definitely a softer feel. Is the DBD more like the Forza or 1x?
I would say more like the forza. 1x is going to be a bit more poppy / power oriented. If that's what you prefer I would say go with the black diamond power option. Incredible spin and the most power available outside of EVA paddles.
Love the videos
Have you tested the legacy pro ? Went from Hyperion to LP and liking it, just curious how it measures up to others
I have indeed! The Legacy Pro is going to be alot more powerful / poppy in comparison to the Double Black Diamond. DBD will be alot more control oriented for sure and thrives in the feel game.
lol soo.. how does it compare to the forza?
Maybe he signed some non-compete agreement with the companies in order to get the paddle for free or the discount code :( Chris seems more frank and upfront with the pros and cons and has a spreadsheet that allows direct comparisons between paddles.
I like them both a ton! Forza is higher spin and has a bit more power. DBD has a larger sweet spot (in my testing this is what I feel) and feels a touch quicker for hand battles (both are the same stock weight but DBD 16mm is 114 swing weight and Forza 16mm is 117 swing weight) so very similar, I feel the DBD shape is just a touch quicker to maneuver. It would be hard to choose just one as they suit different players games differently. Id say if you value power and spin id go Forza, if you value sweet spot, and hand speed id go DBD. But seriously at the top (Forza, DBD, Pulsar) you just can't really go wrong!
@@GageMersereauGM see my reply above!
@@Whitecraine I definitely didn't sign a non-compete. The reality is that between the Forza, the DBD, and the Pulsar, even the CRBN 3x, it's just minor differences that will suit someone's game better than another. There just isn't anything bad to say about these paddles. You'll see my review coming soon on the vatic alchemy, which I could have just raved about for money as it's a new paddle but I didn't like it at all personally.
@@Whitecraine my goal with this channel is to provide value and information for the community we are building here. If I ever sign something or accept money to push something I will Always say so. But I have no plans in doing that. I want to keep everything direct and honest. Just like Chris I aim to provide direct and unbiased information for you. That's the goal of this channel.
another player showed me his 2 day old double black Diamond and you can see on the black face where he is hitting I don't like that so I'm still shopping.
You’ll get that in any new paddle it’s just fresh grit showing small particles of the ball. You can use a paddle eraser to scrub it all off nice and clean! But! I will say if you are looking at the Double Black Diamond I would urge you to check out the new Mark Pure and the BALLR Heat I just did recent reviews on. Check them out in my recent video uploads. They are just as good for quite a bit cheaper.
Solid video. Really liked how you compared with the recent 006 and Perseus.
Thanks man! I appreciate the feedback very much!
@@stspickleball Keeping it short, having consistent categories and scoring, and comparing to recent and trending paddles is great! Thanks the content and looking forward to the next video.
Would you say it’s too late with all the new paddles launching in April/May? Or still worth it at the slightly lower price point now?
If you're thinking about grabbing a DBD I would grab a Mark Pure or a BALLR Heat. There are indeed a lot of paddles coming out in April/May. Some Gearbox style paddles from Ronbus and some kevlar blended surface material paddles aswell of different shapes from some solid companies. All of which will be more expensive than the two I mentioned. If price is a solid factor I would grab one of the two I mentioned, if not you can wait :)
I noticed you gave the Mark Pure a bit of an edge over the Double Black Diamond in the soft game. What/how do you think it's a little better in that aspect?
Honestly it’s just a bit softer off the face. Less pop. That’s about it. If you had both of those paddles and play a game blind folded I don’t really anyone could really tell much of a difference between them. It’s very subtle. I’d save the money and grab it if you like the aesthetic as well 😊
@stspickleball The handle circumference is thicker over the DBD though, correct?
@@robedwards6926 just measured them side by side to make sure you have an accurate answer. They are exactly the same 😊
@@stspickleball Thanks!
i already have a BD 16mm and will keep it for singles, i just want a little more control and less pop ups in the kitchen. would it be best for me to go for the 14mm dbd? I want the fastest hands possible in the kitchen. i've already developed some pretty good feel with my BD 16mm!
Fastest hands possible in the kitchen would be the GRUVN MUVN 13S or yeah the 14mm DBD will be a bit quicker than the DBD but less touch 😊
I love my DBD! Can you please review the VaticPro Alchemy 16MM?
Check out my channel I have the review up for that!
Nice video, very informative. Is the review for the control or power version?
This review is for the 16mm control version Double Black Diamond specifically although the power version is pretty wicked too!
@@stspickleball I ordered the control version, I can generate plenty of power on my own. Currently, I'm using a Paddletek Tempest Wave Pro and the Engage Encore. Both play very similar. I wanted to try something different. The only caveat with the DBD is the only color choices are black and pink and black. Pink isn't my thing. I actually hate black paddles but if it plays the way many people say I can live with the color. How would u differentiate between the BDB and the Encore?
@@traderfjp it's going to feel quite a lot better than the encore. It's going to feel a touch more plush off the face and it will definitely get more spin. The tempest wave pro is a pretty great paddle though! I'm working on a review for that right now how are you liking that one?
@stspickleball The Wave Pro dinks well and has power. A very good paddle.
Could you do a similar review of the Project 006 and/or the Scorpius 14mm?
Eventually I will indeed! Project 006 mainly just feels ok, small sweet spot, really good spin if you get the right paddle, there's alot of manufacturing issues. The Scorpius is definitely Joola's best paddle for sure, but I would take a DBD over either of those 100%!
@@stspickleball what about DBD vs Mach 1?
How would this compare to Selkirk power air invikta?
Larger sweet spot, better spin, doesn’t have spray on grit so it’s more durable, better twist weight so it’s more stable on off center hits, will be a touch slower in the hands but that’s about the only downside. I would urge you to go check out my Mark Pickleball review. They have their Mark Pure it’s $99 and it plays exactly the same as the DBD. I’d get one of those if I was you 😊
My first "real" paddle is the Selkirk Amped S2, then I tried the SLK Halo Power XL, followed by Gearbox GX6 Lightweight. I typically put lead tape on my paddles to get them to about 8.1 oz. I rotated from the S2 mainly because ADHD, but I also wanted to try G1 carbon fiber. It wasn't poppy enough for my preference and I tried the Gearbox because my husband really liked his GX6 midweight. I found the GX6 too unforgiving with mishits (that is not a well-spelled word). I've gone back to the S2 and really dialed in my baseline hitting serves and returns. I think the only thing that's missing is top rated spin and a longer handle for the rare two handed backhand (I tend to slice). Do you think the 6.0 double black diamond should be my next attempt, or should I just get a Selkirk Epic which is essentially a longer handled S2?
I think based on this information I would say go for the double black diamond or I'd go with the MUVN 13s I just reviewed. The Double Black Diamond will feel firmer and have more power and spin than the S2, and the MUVN 13S will feel pretty relative, it will just have more spin, a longer grip, and more feedback off the face. It will feel a touch firmer than the S2 but not in a poppy way, more in a way where you feel more of the feedback of the ball off the face which I like. It doesn't feel as muted. Those 2 paddles are top picks along with the Volair Forza right now. But for you I'd go with one of those two. If you have any other questions let me know I love talking paddles.
I bought the Professor Phd about 2 months ago and instantly loved it. I'm a spin-and-drive type of player, rushing to the net as much as possible. Recently I've noticed that the paddle surface feels smooth and does not have that initial grit, which has definitely shown in loss of spin in serves and slice shots at the net. I'm looking to buy my next paddle, but I don't want to buy another paddle that will "change" so much in such a short amount of time. I've been eyeing the DBD for about two weeks now, but don't want to pull the trigger and go through the same experience. Do you feel that the paddle has changed over your use and if so, which paddle would you recommend for the least amount of "change"? (side note: from what I've read online, Gearbox seems to wear out the least, any thoughts on that?)
I think the new gearbox paddles coming out would be the most durable and have the least amount of grit wear. I don't know if I entirely agree with this in regards to previous gearbox paddles being the best but they are really good quality for sure. In my opinion Six Zero makes the highest quality paddles as far as durability and materials go and then behind them I would say Ronbus :) But we do have new Gearbox paddles coming out on the 16th which will be extremely exciting trust me
Awesome! Thanks!
I’m debating between this (DBD) and R1 Nova. What’s your thoughts?
I'd go DBD all day. I spoke with the owner recently and he told me they did the same 5,000+ hits on a machine and showed no signs of delamination or the core crushing on the DBD just like the pulsar and relative to the NOVA. And I think the DBD is just a better paddle all around. Depending on what you're looking to prioritize in your next paddle the new GRUVN MUVN 13S is a top pick for me right now as well. It's my top pick for control.
Just got my rainbow 🤘🏻
What up I just subscribed. I play with the R1 pulsar and I find it a little too plush for me. Would you suggest DBD or forza or another paddle for some more pop/power. Thank you.
If you can give power and pop rating to the pulsar that would be great so I can compare I believe you weren’t doing that when that video was put out.
I think if you're looking for more power / pop I would honestly go for the Black Diamond power paddle from Six Zero. That thing is a beast!
Is this the control model? What model is this?
Yes it is the Double Black Diamond. The Black Diamond is the power oriented model :)
How does this compare to the vatic flash?
Fairly relative I'd say the non prism flash has a touch more pop but less spin. Almost 150rpm less spin. And vatic has been having a lot of issues with delamination with their thermoformed paddles and Six Zero has (from what I've heard and experienced) really no issues with delamination. So construction quality of Six Zero is just better overall. ☺️
Great video. Just ordered this
Heck yeah man it's an awesome paddle!!
I thought Legacy was one of the earliest thermoformed paddles??
Legacy and DBD were the first ones to thermoform. The owner of DBD says he was before Legacy. I'm just sharing what he told me! Regardless it's a phenomenal paddle ☺️
would you recommend the 16mm or 14mm?
For me I prefer 16mm almost across the board for all paddle except the MUVN 13S. I just like that more plush feel. For me it's off putting to have something rigid and more punishing on off center shots (most thinner paddles). If you're a higher level player and looking for more pop / power for singles etc. 14mm could be a good choice but otherwise I'd go 16mm ☺️
How is it comparing with a CRBN 2x?
I would take this over the CRBN 2x for sure. Now when comparing to the CRBN 3x or 1x it's a much closer story
How does this compare to their Black Diamond Power? I just got the Power and quite honestly it felt soft and the Power I was looking for was not there. I really want to stick with this brand and now maybe considering the Double Black. Thoughts?
The Double Black Diamond is objectively softer and less powerful than the Power version. If you want something more powerful than the Black Diamond Power I would urge you to watch my Paddletek TKO video :)
are you using the 14mm or 16mm thanks
16mm 100% I absolutely LOVE the 16mm
how does it compare to Legacy Pro for power?
Legacy pro is going to be more pop and power for sure. But the double black diamond has a bigger sweet spot, more spin, and way more feel for soft game play. I'd take a DBD over a legacy for sure.
Oh and also Legacy has a ton of delamination and manufacturing issues and the DBD is way more durable and doesn't have manufacturing issues!
Now all we need from you is BDPower review! lol
Haha it's coming! After the alchemy review drops ☺️
Which pulsar do you use?
I use the R3. But I will say I had the original R1 before they updated the face texture etc.
How does it compare to the Vatic Flash? I just got a vatic, and it feels great but curious to know the differences since the specifications are identical.
I would say the Double Black Diamond has more power and more pop. A touch more spin!
I would say the opposite here. I think the Vatic flash line has a bit more pop/power due to the face being a little stiffer than the DBD ( I have both). I think the DBD is a bit more forgiving but honestly both a great paddles and you can't go wrong.
@@tagman12 honestly re-reading this my mind always just assumes now people are talking about the prisms 😂😂 so I actually agree with your assessment as that would be mine too here for the standard flash. My bad!
did you have a chance to compare the 14 mm and 16 mm paddles and if so....any thoughts?
Yeah! The 14mm is definitely more poppy and has a bit less forgiveness for sure. It's hotter off the face but for me the 16mm DBD is just incredible man. So balanced, tons of spin, plenty of forgiveness, and still has enough power. I'd go 16mm for sure.
@@stspickleball thx the the reply!
16 or 14mm?
16mm I said it early on but I prefer the 16 over the 14 in my testing for sure! Way more forgiving.
Can you do the Black Diamond?
I will down the road a bit yes!
While I am not an official reviewer, I have all 3 DBD (Black Diamond, 14 & 16 DBD). They all place similarly but the BD version is definitely, poppier with more power and a bit harder to control in the soft game. The 16 is the best in the soft game beating out the 14 and the 14 is easier to control than the BD paddle. The BD I would says is still and all court paddle that can be used for doubles but requires more control in your game. I have weighted all the paddles and now play equally with the 14 and 16 and less with the BD due to the control factor ( I need to spend more time with the BD as its too is a great paddle). Let me know if there is something specific you're wondering about.
@@tagman12 Great input man well said :)
@@stspickleball and honestly we’re really trying to split hairs here - they really are wonderful paddles and happy to play with both
Would you recommend this, or the Vactic Pro Prism Flash?
The DBD is a thermoformed paddle it would compare closer to the Vatic Pro Flash. The thermoformed paddles are stiffer and have more pop. I have used the Prism Flash 16mm and it plays very well but is a little softer than the pro. The Prism is now available in a 14mm it should play with a bit more pop.
If I had to choose between the two I would choose the DBD. But as @cwarner5909 said the DBD will be a touch stiffer and have a bit more power / pop. So it depends on what you're looking to prioritize. But I think the DBD is incredible quality for the price for sure.
@@stspickleball does it still offer enough control / touch for good dinking?
@@user-jt6zz7es4w 100% yes it does. And the sweet spot feels better than the flash to me.
@@stspickleball thank you man. I appreciate it
Reviewers should mention that for that price there is free shipping and no tax.
There is tax though.
Correct. Another saving of 9.5% for me and probably $10 shipping fee
@@douglasmurdoch7247 I bought mine less than a month ago. Shipped to California with not one penny paid in taxes.
Great point man. Thank you for sharing this!!
What paddle do you use every day?
When I'm not testing new paddles I usually am using the Forza or this double black diamond right now. Also been cycling in the CRBN 3x a bit ☺️
Did you go to CU?
I didn't but I was born in Boulder and my dad went to CU! I live in Scottsdale now but my dad's in Parker, CO :)
@@stspickleball oh nice! As a CU alum who lives in Denver, I can appreciate the CU gear. Wish Denver had some nice indoor facilities like where you are playing in your video.
@@crestnut yeah man it's so nice to have a facility like this. Do you have a Lifetime by you?
@@stspickleball no close but about 30 minutes away. I think that’s my best bet when winter starts though.