I been subscribed to Chris Stuckman ever since he only had like 20K subscribers. I really liked his takes on movies and ratings, it made me really appreciate movies more. I know he wants to step away from being a critic and move into being a director he's been working on his project for several years now. Honestly I think the reason he stopped giving movies ratings and why he stopped having his 10 top worst movies of the year is that he's afraid he might fail as a movie director and he doesn't want to receive harsh criticism cause now he's understanding how hard it actually is to he a director. One of the very first time he was heavily criticized was back in 2016 when Batman V Superman came out and he posted something on Twitter about what he would do to improve the movie. Within a few days he received so many hate mails ans comments to where it effected his personal life and had to make a public statement addressing the issue. I still watch his videos but I don't like how he never gives any negative criticism anymore he just walks around it and talk about all the good no bad of each movie. And I do think he does that cause when his movie doe eventually come out and possibly many of his followers and subscribers will see he doesn't want any negative feedback.
I'm an editor and colorist. Something that most spectators dont understand is that when you work in this industry, when you become part of this industry. It is unprofessional to bash others who work in the same industry because word WILL get out. YOUR NAME will get out. You will lose clients. Like everyone else, I can make fun of Madame Web and trash it with my friends and have a good laugh. But if I had more than a million subscribers and I trash it, PUBLICLY. How will that look on me? Imagine Sony came to me with an opportunity to edit one of their projects but then they discover I publicly trashed them online. Would you hire this person? What if the Director S.J. Clarkson is actually a nice lady despite doing a poor directing job, but you trash her film and practically bully her? PUBLICLY because that's what these CZcams critics do. They have no respect or concern for these creators. These are human beings were talking about, making fun of them, calling them retarted because they made a bad movie. Also, what Chris says in that video is true. There's alot more that goes on during the production of a bad movie that the general public doesn't know about. Yeah, we laugh hahaha bad movie is bad. But there's shit that happens. It's easy to make fun of movies. But what he did is break down why it's bad from a filmmakers perspective rather than just make fun of it. Some say he's gotten weaker. I say he's just matured. He's more of a film enthusiast, a film fan now more than a critic. Bad movies don't deserve the attention anyway. But people find entertainment in negativity.
It's ok to make a bad movie, but it's actually not ok to make a movie THIS bad with THAT amount of resources and talent behind you. Madam Web is literally a buffoonish film and unwatchable. Chris doesn't have to trash the film, but he is first and foremost a film reviewer and there's a nice way to say that it wasn't good. It's clear that he's trying to be a kiss ass now to get into the studio system... but he'll likely never be accepted. Studio execs want directors with some kind of pedigree, even if they were broke and came from indie filmmaking. They don't want to get behind a CZcams MOVIE REVIEWER TURNED DIRECTOR. Why? Because he spent his life analyzing films for retarts on youtube, not actually being creative and working on the craft
@deliciousvegans4505 only the result of his product will tell. If his film is good, he will get noticed and get more work. If it's bad, then it will be a bit more difficult. But his foot is already in the door. Studio execs watch for talent. Pedigree is built by talent.
Bro what you are describing is someone who changes like seasons. A sheep if you will. You will never get into a powerful position or be a great leader if you change your position to please everyone around which is exactly what Stuckman is doing and absolutely no one respects someone like that
Eh, I think that just speaks to how insecure most people are today. Criticism is for critics, which we all are, whether we get paid for it or label ourselves as such
“I need to see this movie a second time..”. That was me after The Last Jedi. In reality, I knew it sucked, but my dumb, overwhelming fandom of Star Wars was overriding my thinking. Long story short - I didn’t see it a second time. I admitted it was crap, and I got on with my life.
Tbh I don't take anyone's opinion as gospel. We need to stop investing in critics opinions in general. And tbh, I doubt Chris is schilling to Sony. The stars of Madame Web are publicly dunking on the film. I doubt they would care if he trashed it.
I used to be a Fan of Chris Stuckmann and his buddy John Flickinger (TheFlickPick) but around the year 2018 both started to lose me because their content became stale. TheFlickPick completely lost me as a Fan when his videos literally became 70% shitty ads and 30% actual content. It was unwatchable. And now Chris Stuckmann lost me after his Madame Web Video. He is a filmmaker now. A filmmaker cannot be a film critic. Chris Stuckmann is not a critic anymore. He is a filmmaker who occasionally makes videos gassing up other filmmakers. That is fine but don't call that film criticism because it isn't.
Hmm…I liked the last 3 minutes of your review. Playing Devil’s advocate: I started watching Stuckman after he helped explain “Enemy” by Denis Villineuve, thematically. It was like dawn. That was amazing and I will be forever grateful for him for that. Also, I loved his “Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade” review. It was cathartic hearing another fanboy’s take on sacred material. Stuckman is cutting edge. First film critic on CZcams. One of a handful of critic-turned-directors. Others being Bogdanovich, Truffaut, and Paul Schrader. That’s good company. That said, I do miss his grading system for movies (sigh).
I like him and still watch him but I’m also surprised he has so much followers lol but honestly , he ain’t perfect but there are way worse YTer that are doing more harm to industry or society
I kinda disagree on the part about rewatching a movie. I dont think art is something we can just confine to a single exprerience for everyone who consumes it. I feel its something that should have the space to mulled over and discussed and subsequent revisits can breed an evergrowing change in how one percieves a piece of media. Sometimes this can result in someone after having paid full attention to a movie, still feel like there is an angle or interpretation that theyd need to have to get a full picture of its vision
There are definitely things you can not fully interpret or fully realize on a first but you still get the initial feeling from it on your first watch (provided you pay attention) I truly disliked The Ninth Gate, but got torn an utter new one when I said I didn't. I rewatched based on the criticism. It still sucks, at least to me.
The Last Jedi was a polarizing film and was indeed in need of a rewatch imo. Because at the time, we didn't know what plans they really had for the franchise. It wasn't until TROS came out that confirmed that Disney had no clue what they were doing.
Massively late to this conversation but also agree that the last Jedi for me was a film I needed to see a second time to form a true opinion. I was so prepared for a formulaic sequel that when it constantly went against that I wasn’t quite sure how to feel. Watched it again for what it was and had a good time though saw plenty of flaws too. Similar things happened with Prometheus and the Thing prequel, things made me livid initially but there was also plenty of other things I loved, went back for a second viewing and enjoyed them for what they were despite the flaws
I stopped watching him since he stopped doing reviews of animated /family films unless it's something based on a franchise he knows about already and that's a big bulk I watch every year at theatres
If you want examples of real film criticism go back read some of Pauline Kael's work, or watch Siskel and Eberts' show. For a modern example I'd recommend British critic Mark Kermode. While I often disagree with each of their opinions, I respect the thought they put into not just the film but also the context surrounding them.
I miss the spats that Siskel and Ebert would get into. They could get really heated sometimes, but they would still be civil with each other afterwards. Reminds me of some of the discussions I would get into with friends. Some people would think were are arguing, we would be so loud. But we would stop, say oh no I just disagree with him, but I don't hate him. How simpler things used to be
@@JeremyHannaford I agree completely. And conversations I've had where I disagree with the other person are typically more enlightening and memorable than the opposite. I mentioned Kermode previously, and I'd highly recommend listening to Kermode VS Collin the Great Hereditary Debate, here on youtube. A friendly argument if I've ever heard one!
@@johng6565 I will definitely check that video out. I thought Hereditary was funny in some spots but I was very surprised at how many people loooovvvveeeddd it, so I'll definitely check it out.
My attempt in this video was to be lighter than what some people have been saying. The amount of very hard and negative comments he has been getting has been hard to see, so I hope in the end, he is doing as best he can with it all, even if I don't agree with how he views film now. But that's also just my opinion. He's free to do whatever he wants, which some people seem to forget.
"y'all are taking this stuff way too seriously" -- ok, well what, precisely, is an appropriate amount of criticism of Stuckman then? Are we allowed *any*, or are you suggesting he's just let off the hook for his cowardice, in the name of not taking things "too seriously?"
@@loudenlaffnite246 If you watch his madame web video, he uses it as an opportunity to speak on the issue of the studio-creative relationship, and that Sony clearly has a track record of interfering with, and ruining it's live action superhero films. He is making a larger point than just criticizing the film directly. If you don't like that then that's fine, you are just acting like it's the end of the world when it's not. I personally am not a fan of him, but I understand that it's not my place to demand that he criticize a film how I want him to. You're allowed to not like how he does it, you're just blowing the whole thing out of proportion, it's not that serious.
@@quinhauser9101 "you are just acting like it's the end of the world when it's not" Again: what, precisely, is an appropriate amount of criticism of Stuckman then? Are we allowed *any*? Or will you call *any* criticism of him "acting like it's the end of the world?"
I completely disagree with the guy to watch of the second time argument. Sometimes you do I did not like the shining when I first saw it I kind of disliked it it took two or three watches to understand the film's brilliance and to get my own expectations out of the way same with the exorcist although I still don't like the exorcist but it's gotten better on other viewings sometimes your first opinion or your knee jerk reaction is not a well thought out nuance take of what you really think a lot of times that's because of your own expectations of something I saw the shining as an adult growing up hearing about this timeless horror classic I went into it expecting to be terrified and I wasn't at all but then I realized that was my expectations of what the movie was supposed to be and I had to rewatch it to appreciate what it was trying to do. Same with the last Jedi Star wars especially has a lot of fans that have expectations of what they come in to see if it's not what's in their brain it's bad sometimes you have to watch a second time so all of that BS is out of your brain so you can actually watch the film presented to you. That's just the reality of it sometimes
Perhaps I might have been a bit too direct about that statement. My main point is that, in almost every case of me watching a film, my opinion has never changed unless I wasn't giving it the full attention it deserved. Like you, I did see Last Jedi a second time, but not because I didn't feel my feeling was invalid, but because of how many people were saying that it was fantastic. So I went in wondering if I had missed something. But I hadn't, I still didn't like it. Didn't hate it like some, but it had alot of issues for me at least. As for your example of the Shining, can I ask if you saw it at a younger age initially and then saw it again at an older age? Because then that makes sense and does counter my initial comment. There are films I saw at a young age that I didn't get the full context of until I was older, like Starship Troopers. That also seems to be a similar story for alot of other people who have watched that film over the years. One, and I mean one example I can say I had to watch it again to realize full was when I saw Jurassic World. I let the rose tinted glasses hold my opinion heeeavvviilllyy after the first watch. Upon second watching, I realized I had been far too easy on it. But that was also when I was a bit younger.
@@JeremyHannaford I get what you're saying but no I was an adult I grew up hearing that the shining is one of the greatest horror films ever made and then when I watched it it was not what I imagined it would be and I did not like it. My expectations were the film was going to be a certain way and it was not it was a lot more cerebral there's not really any jump scares or anything like that which is fine and leans into the film's brilliance but it did take me a couple watches to get past my expectations and be able to enjoy and embrace the film for what it is. That's why I say sometimes second viewings are important because your expectations of something can drastically affect your first time viewing of something especially if you have an idea of what it's going to be in your head if it's not that it's immediately going to let you down and that's not the film's fault I'm judging it for what I wanted it to be not what it is and that's not fair to the art.
@@SlashersquadJackI will admit, sometimes the expectations can affect an experience. When I finally took that away for my viewing experiences, I felt it gave me clearer impression of a film upon first viewing, if that makes any sense. I went in to TFA with huuugge expectations and I remember coming out going "I mean it was good, but not be all end all. Still enjoyed it though" And that's where I think that mind set came from, in combination with me watching Jurassic World again once it came out on home video. Just with how the market has gone, I basically go in now with a blank slate. Easier said than done, but I've found that sometimes it allows me to have a clear understanding everytime. The Shining is a good example of going in with one mind set, but having a totally different outcome like you said. I have only seen parts of it, a sin I do know 🤣 and it did look a bit odd to me, but I do mean to give it a clean slate viewing when I do. Even with Dune Part 2, I went in saying, it might be really good, it might be a bit disappointing, let's see how it goes. Once I made that distinction with how I go to the movies, it has never failed me yet.
dude what do you mean by "lifestyle"? and right after added a picture of his sexuality. not very subtle, and not very classy of you. dropped your credibility quite a bit with that little jab.
upon reflection, I do see how this comes across as antagonistic. My attempt was to refer to something that other YT's were bringing up quite brazzeningly, as though that had anything to do with his current judgements on films and criticism. I refered to it via that reference pic, as he has made it public knowledge. But my attempt was to say, "it's his life, it's his choice, here is the video he made about it if you want to see it, let's move on with what the actual topic is". But like you said, I can see how it could have come across as otherwise and I aim to learn from that.
It’s glorious how modern cinema tripled down after the Last Jedi. That movie was so bad CZcams had a whole genre of Anti-Woke or whatever be born from it.
It caused such a shift that the only other thing I can think that caused as much hostile discourse was TLOU2. I thought the visuals were amazing, but thought the gameplay was essentially 1.5 in terms of upgrade and the story was far too long and nowhere near as smart as it thought it was. But I didn't think it was the worse thing ever. But because I didn't fully agree with it, I was put into the same group of people that were calling for Neil's head on a pike. Vastly different opinions but the same unfair, unjust grouping.
Jeremy Jahs and Drinker are light year more aware and logical in their film praise and criticism than Stuckman. I have one very simple rule, do you like TLJ? If you like it, God bless but I will never trust your opinion about any entertainment product. If you think the TLJ is dog shit, then I'll give your opinion about entertainment the time of day.
Whoa, that's a bit of an assumption without any backing up. I said I don't agree with him on some things but not on all things. Even if I don't always agree with him, I still listen to what he says and I can agree with some of his points. People can listen to other opinions and not agree but still listen to them. I don't know how that's woke.
@@user-nj7co3hi4y like I mentioned, I thought the discussion about Stuckmann was more of a gang up bash fest than an actual discussion. Some of the discussion vids he has are hit and miss imo. Sometimes I agree sometimes I don't. I thought he was too lenient on Reacher S2, as it was a big downgrade from S1 imo. But he has had other vids where I agree with him on. He's one of the reviewers I'll cue when I want some outside perspective from who I frequent.
@@JeremyHannafordFirst time I watched any of your videos and you didn't come across as woke. I agree with your analysis on The Drinker. Some of the movies he recommends are pretty trash. Which is fine everyone has their own taste but it is almost as if the moment something isn't woke he gives it a 10 out of 10. In my opinion you should be able to give the same criticism about a movie even if it isn't woke. Reacher season 2 wasn't as great as season 1.
All his movie reviews are the same... he talks about popcorn, then he says the movie is good.
Very much so. He's so inoffensive.
I been subscribed to Chris Stuckman ever since he only had like 20K subscribers. I really liked his takes on movies and ratings, it made me really appreciate movies more. I know he wants to step away from being a critic and move into being a director he's been working on his project for several years now. Honestly I think the reason he stopped giving movies ratings and why he stopped having his 10 top worst movies of the year is that he's afraid he might fail as a movie director and he doesn't want to receive harsh criticism cause now he's understanding how hard it actually is to he a director. One of the very first time he was heavily criticized was back in 2016 when Batman V Superman came out and he posted something on Twitter about what he would do to improve the movie. Within a few days he received so many hate mails ans comments to where it effected his personal life and had to make a public statement addressing the issue. I still watch his videos but I don't like how he never gives any negative criticism anymore he just walks around it and talk about all the good no bad of each movie. And I do think he does that cause when his movie doe eventually come out and possibly many of his followers and subscribers will see he doesn't want any negative feedback.
The dude is just a hypocrite and delusional for thinking anyone would want to work or promote his pathetic woke shelby oaks....
@leeadamson5504 just curious. You know it's woke how? ...
I'm an editor and colorist. Something that most spectators dont understand is that when you work in this industry, when you become part of this industry. It is unprofessional to bash others who work in the same industry because word WILL get out. YOUR NAME will get out. You will lose clients. Like everyone else, I can make fun of Madame Web and trash it with my friends and have a good laugh. But if I had more than a million subscribers and I trash it, PUBLICLY. How will that look on me? Imagine Sony came to me with an opportunity to edit one of their projects but then they discover I publicly trashed them online. Would you hire this person? What if the Director S.J. Clarkson is actually a nice lady despite doing a poor directing job, but you trash her film and practically bully her? PUBLICLY because that's what these CZcams critics do. They have no respect or concern for these creators. These are human beings were talking about, making fun of them, calling them retarted because they made a bad movie. Also, what Chris says in that video is true. There's alot more that goes on during the production of a bad movie that the general public doesn't know about. Yeah, we laugh hahaha bad movie is bad. But there's shit that happens. It's easy to make fun of movies. But what he did is break down why it's bad from a filmmakers perspective rather than just make fun of it. Some say he's gotten weaker. I say he's just matured. He's more of a film enthusiast, a film fan now more than a critic. Bad movies don't deserve the attention anyway. But people find entertainment in negativity.
It's ok to make a bad movie, but it's actually not ok to make a movie THIS bad with THAT amount of resources and talent behind you. Madam Web is literally a buffoonish film and unwatchable. Chris doesn't have to trash the film, but he is first and foremost a film reviewer and there's a nice way to say that it wasn't good. It's clear that he's trying to be a kiss ass now to get into the studio system... but he'll likely never be accepted. Studio execs want directors with some kind of pedigree, even if they were broke and came from indie filmmaking. They don't want to get behind a CZcams MOVIE REVIEWER TURNED DIRECTOR. Why? Because he spent his life analyzing films for retarts on youtube, not actually being creative and working on the craft
@deliciousvegans4505 only the result of his product will tell. If his film is good, he will get noticed and get more work. If it's bad, then it will be a bit more difficult. But his foot is already in the door. Studio execs watch for talent. Pedigree is built by talent.
@@VincentStevenStudio True, I don't think it'll be good though. Chris Cuckman is the ultimate cuck, and cucks don't make great artists
Bro what you are describing is someone who changes like seasons. A sheep if you will. You will never get into a powerful position or be a great leader if you change your position to please everyone around which is exactly what Stuckman is doing and absolutely no one respects someone like that
Eh, I think that just speaks to how insecure most people are today. Criticism is for critics, which we all are, whether we get paid for it or label ourselves as such
“I need to see this movie a second time..”. That was me after The Last Jedi.
In reality, I knew it sucked, but my dumb, overwhelming fandom of Star Wars was overriding my thinking.
Long story short - I didn’t see it a second time. I admitted it was crap, and I got on with my life.
Tbh I don't take anyone's opinion as gospel. We need to stop investing in critics opinions in general. And tbh, I doubt Chris is schilling to Sony. The stars of Madame Web are publicly dunking on the film. I doubt they would care if he trashed it.
I used to be a Fan of Chris Stuckmann and his buddy John Flickinger (TheFlickPick) but around the year 2018 both started to lose me because their content became stale.
TheFlickPick completely lost me as a Fan when his videos literally became 70% shitty ads and 30% actual content. It was unwatchable.
And now Chris Stuckmann lost me after his Madame Web Video.
He is a filmmaker now. A filmmaker cannot be a film critic. Chris Stuckmann is not a critic anymore. He is a filmmaker who occasionally makes videos gassing up other filmmakers. That is fine but don't call that film criticism because it isn't.
Yeah I looked at Flick and he's ... Just been doing live streams mainly for the last while?
I did like / cry a year for his recent Black Friday video
Interesting video. Has there been a film critic that became a decent filmmaker?
Dario Argento was A film critic before making movies and scrips.
Hmm…I liked the last 3 minutes of your review.
Playing Devil’s advocate: I started watching Stuckman after he helped explain “Enemy” by Denis Villineuve, thematically. It was like dawn. That was amazing and I will be forever grateful for him for that.
Also, I loved his “Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade” review. It was cathartic hearing another fanboy’s take on sacred material.
Stuckman is cutting edge. First film critic on CZcams. One of a handful of critic-turned-directors. Others being Bogdanovich, Truffaut, and Paul Schrader. That’s good company.
That said, I do miss his grading system for movies (sigh).
I can agree on the Enemy video. He greatly helped me better appreciate that film with that video.
I like him and still watch him but I’m also surprised he has so much followers lol
but honestly , he ain’t perfect but there are way worse YTer that are doing more harm to industry or society
like who?
I kinda disagree on the part about rewatching a movie. I dont think art is something we can just confine to a single exprerience for everyone who consumes it. I feel its something that should have the space to mulled over and discussed and subsequent revisits can breed an evergrowing change in how one percieves a piece of media. Sometimes this can result in someone after having paid full attention to a movie, still feel like there is an angle or interpretation that theyd need to have to get a full picture of its vision
There are definitely things you can not fully interpret or fully realize on a first but you still get the initial feeling from it on your first watch (provided you pay attention)
I truly disliked The Ninth Gate, but got torn an utter new one when I said I didn't. I rewatched based on the criticism. It still sucks, at least to me.
If so, maybe he should have watched it again before publishing a review?
The Last Jedi was a polarizing film and was indeed in need of a rewatch imo. Because at the time, we didn't know what plans they really had for the franchise. It wasn't until TROS came out that confirmed that Disney had no clue what they were doing.
Massively late to this conversation but also agree that the last Jedi for me was a film I needed to see a second time to form a true opinion. I was so prepared for a formulaic sequel that when it constantly went against that I wasn’t quite sure how to feel. Watched it again for what it was and had a good time though saw plenty of flaws too. Similar things happened with Prometheus and the Thing prequel, things made me livid initially but there was also plenty of other things I loved, went back for a second viewing and enjoyed them for what they were despite the flaws
Appreciate your sensitivity on this topic, and your perspective as someone who's been in the industry for years
I stopped watching him since he stopped doing reviews of animated /family films unless it's something based on a franchise he knows about already and that's a big bulk I watch every year at theatres
If you want examples of real film criticism go back read some of Pauline Kael's work, or watch Siskel and Eberts' show. For a modern example I'd recommend British critic Mark Kermode. While I often disagree with each of their opinions, I respect the thought they put into not just the film but also the context surrounding them.
I miss the spats that Siskel and Ebert would get into. They could get really heated sometimes, but they would still be civil with each other afterwards.
Reminds me of some of the discussions I would get into with friends. Some people would think were are arguing, we would be so loud.
But we would stop, say oh no I just disagree with him, but I don't hate him.
How simpler things used to be
@@JeremyHannaford I agree completely. And conversations I've had where I disagree with the other person are typically more enlightening and memorable than the opposite.
I mentioned Kermode previously, and I'd highly recommend listening to Kermode VS Collin the Great Hereditary Debate, here on youtube. A friendly argument if I've ever heard one!
@@johng6565 I will definitely check that video out. I thought Hereditary was funny in some spots but I was very surprised at how many people loooovvvveeeddd it, so I'll definitely check it out.
2:36 Jeremy spitting facts on a Saturday morrning!
y'all are taking this stuff way too seriously
My attempt in this video was to be lighter than what some people have been saying. The amount of very hard and negative comments he has been getting has been hard to see, so I hope in the end, he is doing as best he can with it all, even if I don't agree with how he views film now. But that's also just my opinion. He's free to do whatever he wants, which some people seem to forget.
@@JeremyHannaford I respect that
"y'all are taking this stuff way too seriously" -- ok, well what, precisely, is an appropriate amount of criticism of Stuckman then? Are we allowed *any*, or are you suggesting he's just let off the hook for his cowardice, in the name of not taking things "too seriously?"
@@loudenlaffnite246 If you watch his madame web video, he uses it as an opportunity to speak on the issue of the studio-creative relationship, and that Sony clearly has a track record of interfering with, and ruining it's live action superhero films. He is making a larger point than just criticizing the film directly. If you don't like that then that's fine, you are just acting like it's the end of the world when it's not. I personally am not a fan of him, but I understand that it's not my place to demand that he criticize a film how I want him to. You're allowed to not like how he does it, you're just blowing the whole thing out of proportion, it's not that serious.
@@quinhauser9101 "you are just acting like it's the end of the world when it's not"
Again: what, precisely, is an appropriate amount of criticism of Stuckman then? Are we allowed *any*? Or will you call *any* criticism of him "acting like it's the end of the world?"
I kind of fell off with Stuck when he said he was going to review donkey Kong 3-D, but instead he reviewed pinochle 5000.
Maybe hes just not a hater
Right because not enjoying a movie and being honest about it, is 'hating'
I remember critics in general seemed to go really easy on the last jedi, not just stuckmann.
I completely disagree with the guy to watch of the second time argument. Sometimes you do I did not like the shining when I first saw it I kind of disliked it it took two or three watches to understand the film's brilliance and to get my own expectations out of the way same with the exorcist although I still don't like the exorcist but it's gotten better on other viewings sometimes your first opinion or your knee jerk reaction is not a well thought out nuance take of what you really think a lot of times that's because of your own expectations of something I saw the shining as an adult growing up hearing about this timeless horror classic I went into it expecting to be terrified and I wasn't at all but then I realized that was my expectations of what the movie was supposed to be and I had to rewatch it to appreciate what it was trying to do. Same with the last Jedi Star wars especially has a lot of fans that have expectations of what they come in to see if it's not what's in their brain it's bad sometimes you have to watch a second time so all of that BS is out of your brain so you can actually watch the film presented to you. That's just the reality of it sometimes
Perhaps I might have been a bit too direct about that statement. My main point is that, in almost every case of me watching a film, my opinion has never changed unless I wasn't giving it the full attention it deserved. Like you, I did see Last Jedi a second time, but not because I didn't feel my feeling was invalid, but because of how many people were saying that it was fantastic. So I went in wondering if I had missed something. But I hadn't, I still didn't like it. Didn't hate it like some, but it had alot of issues for me at least.
As for your example of the Shining, can I ask if you saw it at a younger age initially and then saw it again at an older age? Because then that makes sense and does counter my initial comment. There are films I saw at a young age that I didn't get the full context of until I was older, like Starship Troopers. That also seems to be a similar story for alot of other people who have watched that film over the years.
One, and I mean one example I can say I had to watch it again to realize full was when I saw Jurassic World. I let the rose tinted glasses hold my opinion heeeavvviilllyy after the first watch. Upon second watching, I realized I had been far too easy on it. But that was also when I was a bit younger.
@@JeremyHannaford I get what you're saying but no I was an adult I grew up hearing that the shining is one of the greatest horror films ever made and then when I watched it it was not what I imagined it would be and I did not like it. My expectations were the film was going to be a certain way and it was not it was a lot more cerebral there's not really any jump scares or anything like that which is fine and leans into the film's brilliance but it did take me a couple watches to get past my expectations and be able to enjoy and embrace the film for what it is. That's why I say sometimes second viewings are important because your expectations of something can drastically affect your first time viewing of something especially if you have an idea of what it's going to be in your head if it's not that it's immediately going to let you down and that's not the film's fault I'm judging it for what I wanted it to be not what it is and that's not fair to the art.
@@SlashersquadJackI will admit, sometimes the expectations can affect an experience. When I finally took that away for my viewing experiences, I felt it gave me clearer impression of a film upon first viewing, if that makes any sense. I went in to TFA with huuugge expectations and I remember coming out going "I mean it was good, but not be all end all. Still enjoyed it though" And that's where I think that mind set came from, in combination with me watching Jurassic World again once it came out on home video.
Just with how the market has gone, I basically go in now with a blank slate. Easier said than done, but I've found that sometimes it allows me to have a clear understanding everytime. The Shining is a good example of going in with one mind set, but having a totally different outcome like you said. I have only seen parts of it, a sin I do know 🤣 and it did look a bit odd to me, but I do mean to give it a clean slate viewing when I do.
Even with Dune Part 2, I went in saying, it might be really good, it might be a bit disappointing, let's see how it goes. Once I made that distinction with how I go to the movies, it has never failed me yet.
dude what do you mean by "lifestyle"? and right after added a picture of his sexuality. not very subtle, and not very classy of you. dropped your credibility quite a bit with that little jab.
upon reflection, I do see how this comes across as antagonistic. My attempt was to refer to something that other YT's were bringing up quite brazzeningly, as though that had anything to do with his current judgements on films and criticism.
I refered to it via that reference pic, as he has made it public knowledge. But my attempt was to say, "it's his life, it's his choice, here is the video he made about it if you want to see it, let's move on with what the actual topic is".
But like you said, I can see how it could have come across as otherwise and I aim to learn from that.
It’s glorious how modern cinema tripled down after the Last Jedi. That movie was so bad CZcams had a whole genre of Anti-Woke or whatever be born from it.
It caused such a shift that the only other thing I can think that caused as much hostile discourse was TLOU2. I thought the visuals were amazing, but thought the gameplay was essentially 1.5 in terms of upgrade and the story was far too long and nowhere near as smart as it thought it was. But I didn't think it was the worse thing ever.
But because I didn't fully agree with it, I was put into the same group of people that were calling for Neil's head on a pike. Vastly different opinions but the same unfair, unjust grouping.
Jeremy Jahs and Drinker are light year more aware and logical in their film praise and criticism than Stuckman. I have one very simple rule, do you like TLJ? If you like it, God bless but I will never trust your opinion about any entertainment product. If you think the TLJ is dog shit, then I'll give your opinion about entertainment the time of day.
Doug Walker is another sellout
Chris sold out a long time ago.
You are woke, that's why you don't agree with critical drinker.
Whoa, that's a bit of an assumption without any backing up.
I said I don't agree with him on some things but not on all things. Even if I don't always agree with him, I still listen to what he says and I can agree with some of his points. People can listen to other opinions and not agree but still listen to them. I don't know how that's woke.
@@JeremyHannaford what don't you agree with him on?
@@user-nj7co3hi4y like I mentioned, I thought the discussion about Stuckmann was more of a gang up bash fest than an actual discussion.
Some of the discussion vids he has are hit and miss imo. Sometimes I agree sometimes I don't. I thought he was too lenient on Reacher S2, as it was a big downgrade from S1 imo.
But he has had other vids where I agree with him on. He's one of the reviewers I'll cue when I want some outside perspective from who I frequent.
@@JeremyHannaford chris stuckmann fasly believes he will become a big time Hollywood director
@@JeremyHannafordFirst time I watched any of your videos and you didn't come across as woke. I agree with your analysis on The Drinker. Some of the movies he recommends are pretty trash. Which is fine everyone has their own taste but it is almost as if the moment something isn't woke he gives it a 10 out of 10. In my opinion you should be able to give the same criticism about a movie even if it isn't woke. Reacher season 2 wasn't as great as season 1.
Are you going to address how Hollywood is dying because of artificial intelligence?
I actually liked that movie quite a bit. Probably my favorite retelling of the Pinocchio fairytale