Manaka is a great character, because of that. She is savage, yet more caring, and kind then she usually acts. "If you got to step on someone's toes to be happy then do it." That line shows even though she was jealous of Retsuko stealing her thunder in her Jpop group, she still felt she deserved it, and wanted what's best for her. It's that moment they start to become friends.
Kinda sad but true. In a relationship, someone has to take the lead to move things along. If you're both too nervous about stepping on the other's toes then you won't ever get anywhere.
Yeah same, they have things in common and get along just fine but I really do think they're better off as just friends, their personalities just don't feel like they would work in a romantic relationship.
Like- I _wanted_ them to work, I really did, but it felt like the show just kept revealing more and more reasons why they wouldn't/shouldn't. The more the narrative pushed them towards romance, the less it felt like a good idea for either of them.
So true. My last relationship was a series of waiting for the other to take the lead. As a result 2 years go by and we weren't even living together. It was at some point we had to decide if one of us would take the wheel, let the car drive into the lake, or jump out of the car. We jumped. We're still friends though.
The Manaka idea of a relation i seen it like a dependence, you are attracted because you feel that man is going to take care of your steps, but the moment that he seems vulnerable to you, is gonna be a dissapoiment. Kinda glad that Haida and Retsuko have ''confess'' each other. Both guys move his pieces. Not just Haida.
no, Manaka is correct. in a relationship at least one person needs to make decisions. that is why Heida would be happier with Inui, the dog girl he dated in season 3. she was confident and was able to actually make realtionship decisions for both of them Retsuko is getting more confident in later seasons, but she still needs to improve herself a lot before she is able to have a healthy relationship with someone like Heida
Yes and no. It's indeed stupid to let only one side always makes decisions, especialy if automaticaly man must lead. But if both sides don't have confidence to lead or make ideas, decision- both wouldn't go any where in relationship.
@@zilesis1 No, I wouldn't agree at all. This creates a dependency. I've been in relationships where my girl was dependant on me. When she was at the lowest point, I helped her out of it. Helped gave her direction. The moment I was at my lowest point in my life, she wanted to leave. That kind of relationship is toxic. You need both parties to be themselves, not rely on one or the other, but make assessments on a problem based as a couple, not an individual dragging a boulder with his chain.
@@mr.person1219 that just sound like your gf isn't a good person and your specific relationship was toxic I take the lead in my relationship and my gf generally depends on me but the few times I've been down she's stood by me but she generally prefers I make the decisions which I don't have a problem. It's not one size fits all still you gotta find what works for.
@@AGolfHitter aggretsuko fans when a unconfident male hyena who doesn’t get with every bitch and doesn’t have a good confidence game and also sucks at getting with someone And also shows love/friendship struggles between the characters love interest “AHHH!!!! A STUPID PERSON???11! IM SO SCARED HES SO BAD!1!1!1!1!1!1” I could literally show you my fucking camera roll and y’all would freak out like there’s a fucking bigass bug in your room. He’s legit just a hyena doing hyena things. The males don’t get it easy at all.
The problem with manaka's advice is that some people are afraid that "taking charge and being assertive" equals "abusive and controlling". Especially when you have angry bitter exs trying to cancel you on social media by labeling you as toxic or abusive. You have to find someone that has a positive impact on you and is equally receiving of it. Because you could be well meaning by trying to guide or taking charge. But the partner could just be stubborn, have a weak spine, or unwilling to make compromise. Then you get painted as the villain. At that point, your better off leaving the partner after enough attempts.
If she is, then I'm sad we haven't seen her birthday. But I honestly think there hasn't been a full year in-universe since season 1... I'd say her turning 26 would be a nice climacting end to the show.
While manaka makes a ton of sense we have also seen that Resko is bad at voicing her opinion some times as in the case of tadano. She need to find a happy medium.
Honestly, I agree since Retsuko needs someone who loves her for her and wants to be with her and vice versa. Sure, she is nervous and isn't sure about her relationship decision, which is why she needs someone confident to help her with that, like Manaka or any other guy. Kabae is a good person who knows a lot more about love than Tsunoda. Haida definitely didn't deserve Retsuko or Inui because, for the former, he put her on a pedestal. At the same time, while he was seeing Inui, Haida didn't seem to care about her feelings and took her for granted while whining like a bitch about his feelings and fantasy for Retsuko. Personally, they should've been friends with Retsuko, finding someone who loves her for who she is and helps her confidence issues. I can see her being with one of her girlfriends, like Manaka or Tadano, rather than frail dog boy Haida.
It would be interesting relationship if they both dont know but they both have fun figuring it out together, that be a bit of progress but yeah someones gotta push a little bit
I have to fully disagree on that one. Maybe this argument would apply on early season 2, but she has shown to wanna love someone for the right reasons. At first she wanted to get married as a scapegoat to quit her job, but throughout the season and thanks to Kabae she learned to genuinely wanna be with someone she likes. She proved it when she still broke up with Tadano even though she could’ve quit her job and him literally ensuring her she could accomplish any dream should wants thanks to his fortune. Haida in my opinion is the one who doesn’t deserve anyone. He totally took Inui for granted and while it is his was decision to at the end of the day if he wanted to be with her or not he still called Retsuko over his house on the same day he promised to hang out with Inui. And don’t get me started on him being so insistent on her to date him because of some app. Like Manaka basically said in the clip he isn’t exactly the assertive and just chews the fat with her by just fine being her coworker while getting jealous or acting all moody whenever Retsuko dates someone
honestly, i don't really think that was how season 3's finale was meant to be read, but it was delivered horrifically vaguely so i get why you'd see it that way (for a while, i did too). to me, the app was meant to be a way of saying that no matter how alone retsuko feels in the world she will always have haida, fenneko, gori and washimi to pull her out of that way of thinking (i feel like season 4 honestly expanded on this quite a bit by giving fenneko and haida more intimate 1-on-1 screentime with retsuko), in that sense, more of a beacon of trust than a literal symbol of romance. retsuko and haida haven't, didn't, and probably never will consider the matchmaking results to be of any importance, the only character who takes it seriously is gori whose pretty emotionally driven as a character, plus it's like, her proof of concept. i think retsuko and haida deserve whatever they earnestly feel they deserve out of their lives, especially since they spend a lot of the show being told by other people what they should and shouldn't do, should and shouldn't feel, etc. regardless, i appreciate hearing other people's input on the show since it does notoriously leave a lot of things very much "up to interpretation" and all that jazz. that's part of the fun for me, i think.
@@mlkywine6852 and what he has is called OLD, and Infatuation. As a person who's been diagnosed with it, I bet you haven't, dont bitch about his issues.
@@haidalover It’s really not that deep… I am very much entitled to critique Haida as well as any other character as much as the OG are to critique Retsuko’s decision throughout the show. Plenty of people besides myself had their gripes on how they handled Haida and whether or not Retsuko and Haida would be a stable relationship. I don’t need to be diagnosed with it to see his problems as he was written.
Does it really _need_ to make sense, when you simply just LIKE that other person? 🤔 I mean, ultimately, it's all based on subjective personal preferences. 🤨 If anything, if you like someone, and you think they might be into you too, but that someone isn't making the first move, then why are you just sitting around and expecting crap to happen? Just go and ask them out! Its 1.000 times easier when you're a woman anyways.🤔
I don't agree with this, both sides should be able to support and take the lead. Supporting each other is the most important thing about relationships. If only one leads then the leader gets stressed out, so it turns unhealthy. Both side should always try to support each other.
The amount of people who agree with Manaka kind of scares me. What she's talking about can also be toxic as well. Both parties needs to agree and grow with each other, not one dragging along the other like a ball and chain on your leg. This creates a dependency. I've been in this hypothetical relationship that Manaka points out and I was the hypothetical man while my ex is Retsuko. Both parties needs respect, not dependency. When my ball and chain was at her lowest point, I helped her up. The moment I was at my lowest and the person chained up is hurt, she wanted to leave. This is like Andrew Tate level of agreement on this style of opinion.
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"This man is where ambition goes to die."
Wow Manaka, you're brutal. Honest but brutal.
I didn't understand that sentence, could you please explain?
@@enrikhev7542 it means he has no ambition
She's absolutely right, too. Watching Haida strike out with Inui was heart rending.
Manaka is a great character, because of that. She is savage, yet more caring, and kind then she usually acts.
"If you got to step on someone's toes to be happy then do it." That line shows even though she was jealous of Retsuko stealing her thunder in her Jpop group, she still felt she deserved it, and wanted what's best for her. It's that moment they start to become friends.
Kinda sad but true. In a relationship, someone has to take the lead to move things along. If you're both too nervous about stepping on the other's toes then you won't ever get anywhere.
Or else you end up having a simultaneous heart attack with your mate and you both end up dead in bed do with extreme lack of confidence to each other.
Kinda sounds like a dependent relationship
Agree
but the tension is kinda good I think
Glad they figure it out how to work well with each other. They show to often switch, and it makes me happy
One of Manaka’s funniest moments ever! So glad she and Retsuko managed to stay in touch.
Manaka made best point out of everything about relationships. Finally Someone who makes sense. I honestly don't think there right for each other.
Yeah same, they have things in common and get along just fine but I really do think they're better off as just friends, their personalities just don't feel like they would work in a romantic relationship.
@@poppythedogofwonders My thoughts actually, it just too awkward.
Like- I _wanted_ them to work, I really did, but it felt like the show just kept revealing more and more reasons why they wouldn't/shouldn't. The more the narrative pushed them towards romance, the less it felt like a good idea for either of them.
This is the girl talk every guy fears
Facts
Lol😂
Kind of want Manaka and Tsunoda to interact. I also like the two different perspectives they have on Haida and Retsuko’s relationship
So true. My last relationship was a series of waiting for the other to take the lead. As a result 2 years go by and we weren't even living together. It was at some point we had to decide if one of us would take the wheel, let the car drive into the lake, or jump out of the car. We jumped. We're still friends though.
Manaka spitting straight facts
I am glad Haida grew from that. He deserves to be happy and so is everyone that felt like him at some point
Don't self sabotage yourself people.
Manaka Lowkey has the most Badass Voice
The Manaka idea of a relation i seen it like a dependence, you are attracted because you feel that man is going to take care of your steps, but the moment that he seems vulnerable to you, is gonna be a dissapoiment.
Kinda glad that Haida and Retsuko have ''confess'' each other.
Both guys move his pieces. Not just Haida.
no, Manaka is correct. in a relationship at least one person needs to make decisions.
that is why Heida would be happier with Inui, the dog girl he dated in season 3. she was confident and was able to actually make realtionship decisions for both of them
Retsuko is getting more confident in later seasons, but she still needs to improve herself a lot before she is able to have a healthy relationship with someone like Heida
Yes and no. It's indeed stupid to let only one side always makes decisions, especialy if automaticaly man must lead.
But if both sides don't have confidence to lead or make ideas, decision- both wouldn't go any where in relationship.
@@zilesis1 yea, you're explaining a parasocial relationship... disgusting person you are.
@@zilesis1 No, I wouldn't agree at all. This creates a dependency. I've been in relationships where my girl was dependant on me. When she was at the lowest point, I helped her out of it. Helped gave her direction. The moment I was at my lowest point in my life, she wanted to leave. That kind of relationship is toxic. You need both parties to be themselves, not rely on one or the other, but make assessments on a problem based as a couple, not an individual dragging a boulder with his chain.
@@mr.person1219 that just sound like your gf isn't a good person and your specific relationship was toxic I take the lead in my relationship and my gf generally depends on me but the few times I've been down she's stood by me but she generally prefers I make the decisions which I don't have a problem. It's not one size fits all still you gotta find what works for.
WHY DO I LOVE MANAKAS VOICE 😭😭
"He's not that bad, honest." No, Retsuko, he REALLY is.
well guess what
@@haidalover Yuck
@@AGolfHitter aggretsuko fans when a unconfident male hyena who doesn’t get with every bitch and doesn’t have a good confidence game and also sucks at getting with someone
And also shows love/friendship struggles between the characters love interest
“AHHH!!!! A STUPID PERSON???11!
IM SO SCARED
HES SO BAD!1!1!1!1!1!1”
I could literally show you my fucking camera roll and y’all would freak out like there’s a fucking bigass bug in your room.
He’s legit just a hyena doing hyena things. The males don’t get it easy at all.
The problem with manaka's advice is that some people are afraid that "taking charge and being assertive" equals "abusive and controlling". Especially when you have angry bitter exs trying to cancel you on social media by labeling you as toxic or abusive.
You have to find someone that has a positive impact on you and is equally receiving of it. Because you could be well meaning by trying to guide or taking charge. But the partner could just be stubborn, have a weak spine, or unwilling to make compromise. Then you get painted as the villain. At that point, your better off leaving the partner after enough attempts.
I still can't believe she is 26
If she is, then I'm sad we haven't seen her birthday.
But I honestly think there hasn't been a full year in-universe since season 1...
I'd say her turning 26 would be a nice climacting end to the show.
Manaka is the best
I LOVE BRO SO MUCH WITH MY ENTIRE BEING
While manaka makes a ton of sense we have also seen that Resko is bad at voicing her opinion some times as in the case of tadano. She need to find a happy medium.
Just say you want to be her girlfriend, Manaka we won't judge
Honestly, I agree since Retsuko needs someone who loves her for her and wants to be with her and vice versa. Sure, she is nervous and isn't sure about her relationship decision, which is why she needs someone confident to help her with that, like Manaka or any other guy. Kabae is a good person who knows a lot more about love than Tsunoda. Haida definitely didn't deserve Retsuko or Inui because, for the former, he put her on a pedestal. At the same time, while he was seeing Inui, Haida didn't seem to care about her feelings and took her for granted while whining like a bitch about his feelings and fantasy for Retsuko.
Personally, they should've been friends with Retsuko, finding someone who loves her for who she is and helps her confidence issues. I can see her being with one of her girlfriends, like Manaka or Tadano, rather than frail dog boy Haida.
Turns out she was entirely wrong about him.
It would be interesting relationship if they both dont know but they both have fun figuring it out together, that be a bit of progress but yeah someones gotta push a little bit
Retsuko doesn’t deserve Haida. She doesn’t deserve anyone until she decides she wants to seek romance for the right reasons.
I have to fully disagree on that one. Maybe this argument would apply on early season 2, but she has shown to wanna love someone for the right reasons. At first she wanted to get married as a scapegoat to quit her job, but throughout the season and thanks to Kabae she learned to genuinely wanna be with someone she likes. She proved it when she still broke up with Tadano even though she could’ve quit her job and him literally ensuring her she could accomplish any dream should wants thanks to his fortune.
Haida in my opinion is the one who doesn’t deserve anyone. He totally took Inui for granted and while it is his was decision to at the end of the day if he wanted to be with her or not he still called Retsuko over his house on the same day he promised to hang out with Inui. And don’t get me started on him being so insistent on her to date him because of some app. Like Manaka basically said in the clip he isn’t exactly the assertive and just chews the fat with her by just fine being her coworker while getting jealous or acting all moody whenever Retsuko dates someone
honestly, i don't really think that was how season 3's finale was meant to be read, but it was delivered horrifically vaguely so i get why you'd see it that way (for a while, i did too).
to me, the app was meant to be a way of saying that no matter how alone retsuko feels in the world she will always have haida, fenneko, gori and washimi to pull her out of that way of thinking (i feel like season 4 honestly expanded on this quite a bit by giving fenneko and haida more intimate 1-on-1 screentime with retsuko), in that sense, more of a beacon of trust than a literal symbol of romance.
retsuko and haida haven't, didn't, and probably never will consider the matchmaking results to be of any importance, the only character who takes it seriously is gori whose pretty emotionally driven as a character, plus it's like, her proof of concept. i think retsuko and haida deserve whatever they earnestly feel they deserve out of their lives, especially since they spend a lot of the show being told by other people what they should and shouldn't do, should and shouldn't feel, etc.
regardless, i appreciate hearing other people's input on the show since it does notoriously leave a lot of things very much "up to interpretation" and all that jazz. that's part of the fun for me, i think.
@@Kaius. I LOVE YOUR TAKE
@@mlkywine6852 and what he has is called OLD, and Infatuation. As a person who's been diagnosed with it, I bet you haven't, dont bitch about his issues.
@@haidalover It’s really not that deep… I am very much entitled to critique Haida as well as any other character as much as the OG are to critique Retsuko’s decision throughout the show. Plenty of people besides myself had their gripes on how they handled Haida and whether or not Retsuko and Haida would be a stable relationship. I don’t need to be diagnosed with it to see his problems as he was written.
Does it really _need_ to make sense, when you simply just LIKE that other person? 🤔
I mean, ultimately, it's all based on subjective personal preferences. 🤨 If anything, if you like someone, and you think they might be into you too, but that someone isn't making the first move, then why are you just sitting around and expecting crap to happen? Just go and ask them out! Its 1.000 times easier when you're a woman anyways.🤔
I think aggretsuko needs to be by herself for the rest of her life
I don't agree with this, both sides should be able to support and take the lead. Supporting each other is the most important thing about relationships. If only one leads then the leader gets stressed out, so it turns unhealthy. Both side should always try to support each other.
my blood type is haida
Haida is beta
Retsuko × Manaka >>> Retsuko × Haida
yessss
Based
based
@@rptheory7501 based on these nuts
BASED!
I forgot about half of this show…
The amount of people who agree with Manaka kind of scares me. What she's talking about can also be toxic as well. Both parties needs to agree and grow with each other, not one dragging along the other like a ball and chain on your leg. This creates a dependency.
I've been in this hypothetical relationship that Manaka points out and I was the hypothetical man while my ex is Retsuko. Both parties needs respect, not dependency. When my ball and chain was at her lowest point, I helped her up. The moment I was at my lowest and the person chained up is hurt, she wanted to leave.
This is like Andrew Tate level of agreement on this style of opinion.
relatable
She’s…the same age as me