Is an OLD Tesla Model S Worth It?
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- čas přidán 9. 06. 2024
- A 10 year old Tesla Model S can be had for a price that's much more reasonable than a brand new, 2023 Model S. But are the old, first generation Model S cars still worth it, or are they completely obsolete?
The tech in Teslas has changed significantly over the years, but at their core, the original cars are still remarkable in their own way.
I bought a 2013 Tesla Model S (P85 Performance Version) a couple of years ago. It's my daily driver, and it's one of my favorite cars in my collection. The looks haven't changed much over the years, but is a 10 year old Tesla still relevant today?
To find out, I take a Road Trip to Palm Springs and put the old Tesla through "torturous" conditions. Follow along to see if an old Model S still has what it takes!
Chapters :
0:00 Intro
1:03 What do you get for an 85% charge?
1:22 Let's GO!
2:01 EVs are so quiet and comfortable!
2:44 Why are freeways bad - and what's worse than freeways?
3:36 Did a mountain just kill our range?
4:25 If you see Windmills, you must be in...
4:37 Temperaturs are rising - can the old Tesla handle it?
5:26 Windmills can produce HOW MUCH Electricity????
6:05 Half way - how much power used?
6:52 Preparing for Super Charging
7:28 I was NOT prepared for THIS!
7:49 Have you ever experienced HEAT like this?
7:59 Where are those Telsa Super Chargers?????
8:35 Charging is not working right....
8:59 Obligatory Coffee Stop
9:21 Charging Fixed!!!!
9:33 The COOLEST Tesla Feature!
9:49 Heaven is a...????
10:37 You have NEVER seen temps like THESE!
11:01 The definite answer to Range Anxiety
12:14 So - IS an old Model S any good?
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I own a 2013 Model S P85+ with 181k miles. I still get 232 miles of range on a full charge, 208 at 90%. Still original battery. I will continue to see how it does. Doing good so far.
That’s great to to hear! I couldn’t be happier with mine either.
Ditto. We absolutely love our 2014 P85+ ⚡️❤️ it’s been the most trouble-free car my wife & I have ever owned. We did the infotainment upgrade (highly recommended) and the front bumper refresh from T Sportline (also recommended), so now the car looks as new as it performs. Having unlimited supercharging is a bonus to owning an older Tesla and the performance motor makes it still feel quick as heck. Aside from tires, a front pair of brake pads, two wiper blades , a passenger door handle, and some windshield wiper fluid, this car has needed virtually no maintenance, other than the usual vacuum and a wash.
I’m considering a 190k miles p85+ with a new battery but same drive train. What are your thoughts on it? Also for p85+ how long do tires last 😅
Wow thanks for this!!
@@huiunit ask most tenured Tesla service technicians and they’ll tell you the P85 and it’s “+” variant are commonly referred to as “tire shredders”. That said, expect to go through a set of rear tires far more often than dual motor AWD models do, (especially on 21’s) and more so with aggressive driving.. and even more quickly if you have the “+” variant with the wider rear staggered set as they can’t be rotated. And as a result, this is the car’s biggest expense. I’m lucky if I get 6000 miles on a pair. Still worth it though if you ask me 😎 Thankfully, the fronts last at least twice as long as the rears. I’ve got a little over 148k miles on it as of this comment and plan on keeping it till the door falls off. Love this car.
Before I bought my Tesla my worst fear was battery degradation but after having owned and driven it every day for three years I am happy to say that there's no significant degradation so far.
I have a 2013 Model S 85 187,000 miles and still have 87% original battery capacity. Rear brakes also original. No issues with long trips.
That’s awesome to hear! I hope my car stays on the same path. I’m at 130k miles now, and Tessie says 88.1% battery health. Still on original brakes as well.
My 2005 tacoma has 550k
Well a “long trip” isn’t just a hundred miles or so. Every car ever made can do that
@@ajax7ox729 1985-2005 toyotas can last centuries.
@@ajax7ox729 here is you're trophy
Yes, it is worth it. Our 2014 Model S85 just had its ninth annual service today, consisting of wiper blades, fob batteries and tire inflation. Spent about $3,000 on maintenance since new. Robust and wonderful vehicle that we took on a 5,350 mile break in run a month after we got it. San Diego to Banff and Lake Louise, Canada. It started at 265 miles of range, now 256. We charge low and slow in our garage, 15 amps, 240V.
Why would anyone get rid of a Tesla if only being the 1st owner? 😅
@@kendrickmelendez8185 a lot of people don't keep cars very long, and are always wanting the latest tech. We have always kept our cars 20-30 years, to see what they're made of, and will they go the distance.
I think a lot of people overlook just how cheap these cars are to run. That’s a huge selling point in my mind. Congratulations on having an awesome car and being an early adopter!
@@cadreamdrives you bet!
240/15 Amp is an excellent charge.
Superchargers are often paired: One charger powers 2 plugs. If the paired plug is already connected, you'll get a lower charge rate until the other car's charge rate starts to taper off as it fills. For best performance, use a plug where its pair is not in use. Supercharger plugs are numbered usually 1A, 1B, etc, so you can see how they're paired.
Some of the latest Superchargers are not paired, delivering full power to a single plug, but with an older Model S, you typically won't see higher than 150 kw of peak charging anyway. (We've owned a 2013 Model S P85 for 8 years and 90% of our driving is long distance.)
Thanks for the share thatts aweosme
That is an excellent point! It's very possible that was what was going on. I've charged at the same chargers many times in the past, and have never had an issue, but the day I made the video, the juice was definitely not flowing like it normally is. But then again, as you point out, the older cars can't really take advantage of the peak performance from some of the newer chargers, so I do have charge envy, when I watch newer cars charge :)
You were always below the 75kw you would get if this were the case. The lowest power you should ever get at a supercharger is 72kw unless if something is very wrong. I would guess that the plug was super hot causing the system to thermal throttle or else it would be too hot for you to touch to take out when you are done.
One other note is that you supercharged to 100% there really is no reason to do that. Just charge enough to get to your destination since the last part to 100% takes forever as you noticed.
V2 are shared, V3 and V4 are not. Your comment does not apply to newer chargers
@@tomooo2637 I said exactly this in my comment: "Some of the latest Superchargers are not paired..."
Good vid as always from Ca Dream Drives. Well crafted and fun, and as a benefit shows the variation of So Cal landscape from the beach to 118F Palm Springs. Henrik clearly discusses the current perceived limitations of electric cars. How much is perception, how much reality. This 10 y/o Tesla gets very high marks and is 'proof of concept' for ev's. For us deciding on our next car, this information is significant, especially from an experienced 'driver's driver.' Looking forward to the next vid in the series. (I'm a subscriber.)
8:53 I’ve only charged to 100% once in our P85+, just to see what the car’s estimated max range would show after 145k miles. 238 miles out of the original 265.. only 10% less than when factory fresh. The last 3% took a while. From 97 to 98%, it took 5:51 min, from 98-99, it took 8:34 min, and from 99-100, it took a whopping 21:38 min! I saw the 100% drop to 99% after just a little over a mile driving on the freeway, and then I was able to travel 4.1 miles from 99-98%, so it tracked as expected as far as Wh/mi goes. But aside from this, the mist I’ve ever charged it before then was 96%, and that was road tripping through the wilderness on our way up to Canada. We ended up arriving at the next station with ample charge, but we were giving ourselves the peace of mind as we were traveling through sparsely populated areas for that leg. Tesla has since added Superchargers in between those points, so charging that much for that journey again wouldn’t be necessary. In any case, the vast majority of our charges are done up to 60-80%, and we usually don’t recharge until in the 20’s or 30’s. Makes for shorter stops and more than enough to top off at home. Exceptions would be when road tripping across the desert 🏜️ we’ll charge up to 80-90% on some of those desolate legs just to have more than needed. Never know when you might encounter strong head winds, need to take a detour, unexpectedly take the scenic route, etc.
Your Model S looks amazing. I have a 2015 original shape and the look doesn’t tire on me. I still get looks and compliments from people.
it is a sleek car ngl
I totally agree. They nailed the design on the Model S. It's holding up remarkably well and still looks very current!
It’s a timeless design.
Its such a nice car. I turn my head every time I see a Model S - new or old
@tafl-9198 Tesla nailed it with the Model S, starting in 2012.
The Car is Bad ass. All of them S's. Old and New.
Fast as Hell.
I love to see my "old" Model S is still looking and running great! Cool video, brought back some great memories!
Thank you! I love this car!
@@cadreamdrivesBe safe 👍🏿
What a breath of fresh air to watch a calmly delivered, useful, real-world scenario of what an old EV can do and how it's a great thing to own and live with. Thank you so much. Buying an old S is something I've often wondered about as they appear to be absolute bargains, they are far more handsome than the other Teslas, and I see them as a modern classic. Also, unlike all other cars, all Teslas are continually updated with new features, plus some of the old ones come with free charging for life. What's not to like?! Some things I would have loved you to cover are the costs for servicing of an old Tesla, including what the car you used had experienced in its service history, some evidence from many old Model S's that have covered lots of miles, the potential for depreciation or indeed appreciation, and anything else we need to consider with an old S. The slow charger problem you experienced shows viewers, incorrectly I expect?, that charging is problematic. If, in yours and others experience, charging is normally quick and seamless then it would have been advantageous to have this clarity. The particular car you used here was one of the most attractive Teslas I've seen; what colour grey was that, and are those wheels a normal option - it looked fantastic?! Thanks again and I'd really love to see you make more videos about what it's like to live with an old S, or indeed any other secondhand EVs, and how that could be perfect for many people's use cases. Keep up the good work man!
Thank you so much for watching and for all of your feedback and suggestions! I'll look into making more videos about those.
My car is Dolphin Gray and the wheels are aftermarket. Tesla only sells up 21 inch wheels, and mine are 22s. They came with the car, when I purchased it. I believe the previous owner put them on.
I'm sorry if the video made it seem like charging issues are common. They are definitely not. Generally, it's a very smooth experience.
I've owned the car for about 3 years and 30k miles now, and the only maintenance has been a new 12v battery (which I put in myself) and a door handle, that no longer presented itself. That was fixed for I think around $150 by putting an upgraded part in there. No oil changes, no brake changes (so far), no annual maintenance.
Remember that the computer is unfortunately probably not as fast in a Tesla S from 2015 as in a Newer Tesla 3 for the same price. But you may be able to find one with an upgraded computer. I believe these upgrades existed in 2017
I would definitely get a 2017 or newer AWD model S over a new 3 or model Y. The prices are great.
Stop the stupidity bro...there is no free lunch when it domes to energy conversion!!! You are destroying the planet by your clown battery car!!
I own a 2014 Tesla model S owned since 2021 & have yet to change my breaks, I’ve only needed to book a mobile appointment with Tesla to have a door handle fixed due to locking even when the handle was open, & gratefully that was covered in warranty, I can honestly say I haven’t spent a dollar on any maintenance on my P85D Model S 🙇🏽♂️🙌🏼
I've driven a couple older Model S vehicles and I own a 2018 Model 3 and one of the most notable differences between them is charging speed at superchargers. Tesla has made huge improvements to increase charging speed since the Model 3 came out. My Model 3 will sometimes hit 250-300kW during charging making charging go super quick. I just recently drove a 2017 Model S P100D as a loaner and all of my supercharging sessions were below 100kW (probably 50-60kW average).
how long would it take on an older S to supercharge?
Depends on how much you need. 10 to 15 minutes for 50 miles, 30 minutes for 100, 45 for 150 and an hour to full 200+ in 2014 model s 60@@tedalen529 with a better route planner app you can select for shortest stops to make them all 10 minutes or less. I GO fastest route option and usually its done charging befofe my wife and I get food or stop for bathroom and a drink. Often we get back with more charge then needed.
@@jackgreenstalk777 it also depends at what level your battery is when you start charging. If I pull in with about 20% or below in my 2014 MS I can add roughly a hundred miles in 20 minutes. That's the sweet spot however. Nowhere else does the car seem to charge that quickly. But it does seem that several of the older MS cars have had charging nerfed to protect the battery.
Sort of a non-event. I have a 7 year old Tesla with 129k miles. Routinely drive 360 mile round trips once a week. Have seen essentially no degradation between 70k miles and 129k miles on clock. As for charging speeds. As a 2013, you have a Gen 1 pack, known for slowest charging. Additionally, the charging station you selected appears to be a 'urban' charger, which has a max charge rate of 75kwh if I remember correctly. On a 2015 S90D, using the latest supercharger, I routinely see 110-115kwh up to about 45% soc, and then then normal taper down of the charging curve. I agree, the last '10 minutes' it takes longer time wise what the dash says to charge. However, I think a better test for your video would've been a Gen 3 Supercharger.
As for pre-conditioning. On a cold day, I would say the car is doing that. Since you just completed a highway drive, at almost 100F, I doubt any preconditioning was used by the car. As the a/c cools the battery in hot weather, it was probably at the optimum temperature for charging when you got to the supercharger
All in all a good video to show that EVs are not 'throw aways' and that batteries can still be useful 10 years after the purchase.
A windmill is used to mill grains into flour, drive machines, or move water. A wind turbine converts wind energy into electricity by turning a turbine.
Thank you! I appreciate the clarification. I know that most people (including me) use the term Windmill for all of them, but it's always good to have the correct terms!
Took my 2015 s 90d on a road trip from Florida to new York in January, and it worked great. And on my wife's 2014 base 60 we upgraded the computer ($2500) and it feels like a much newer car.
This is an excellent video for anyone considering buying an older Tesla. And the commentors who also own an older Tesla back that up.
Thank you very much! I'm always happy when people find my videos useful, and I appreciate you taking the time to leave a comment!
Yeah because tesla owners are NEVER known to exaggerate or stretch the truth EVER, right? Lol
@@drrightwing4435 actually, without even trying hard at all you can find a whole heap of Tesla owners who aren't happy with their purchase and returned to ICE.
What you will find though is a whole heap of folk who have never owned an EV but reckon they know it all......and do they exaggerate what they only assume without actually knowing for real???? You betcha they do....that's how they roll!!!!!
Your S looks pristine - very nice for a 10 year old car. I think the style of the car certainly is still on point: it looks fast just sitting still. Tesla proves you don't need to completely change up the style every two years if you do it right the first time. Our 2019 Model 3 (I added some extra bling) and brilliant white seats still looks fantastic.
10 years is not old! 🙂 Our Honda Civic is 16 and my MB is 31, both still perform flawlessly.
They only keep them the same for profit reasons.
I agree. I hate when dealerships keep changing the styling of cars. I feel like luxury main staple cars should keep the same look and the other lineup cars should change
Kinda like a Chanel classic flap bag
It’s the same bag since conception
That's exactly why the Model S holds its value.
To me, they are the Best 👀ing Tesla's on the road, old and new.
I’m thrilled with my MY … I hope it’s as good as your S when it’s completed 110k miles. Super video, well presented and not verbose !
Thank you very much! I appreciate the kind words!
Enjoyed your video. Can you tell us some of the mods you did to your MS?
Thank you for taking time to explain the charging stations and why the fans are running etc. We are going to be purchasing a Tesla soon and your videos have been the most helpful of all we have seen for more reasons than what I mentioned above. Kudos.
Thank you so much! I really appreciate you taking the time to leave that comment. Messages like that warm my heart and makes it easier to keep making videos!
Nice and useful video. Curious, when did you film this that it was so hot? 'cause CZcams says it was posted 1 month ago, which would have been January. Btw, I love those old Model S's. I think at some point they will start to appreciate in value, because they're so iconic.
Thank you! I actually filmed it in June, but it took me a while before I got to the editing. I think I posted it shortly before Christmas.
Great video. Very informative. Thanks
Thank you so much! I’m glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you for this. Very helpful indeed!
Thank you very much!
I love road trips in my 2013 P85. My only issues have been related to my car being lowered on 22 inch wheels. Absolutely love it
Do you have any rubbing issues with the lowered suspension? Mine is lowered too, and I never used to have any issues, but lately, I'm hearing tire rub at the slightest bump in the road.
@@cadreamdrives I have almost zero rubbing with 295/25z22 tires and 10.5 inch wide wheels in the rear with the N2itive adjustable toe and camber arms. I wouldn't go wider and you just have to have the right offset on your wheels. It only rubs if i bottom out. I have very slight rubbing on the front at mid turn. It's so minimal that I didn't notice until after a year of driving and it only happens on driveway entry. 235/30z22s on 8.5 inch wheels
Is it hard to find rlectric units too charge it
How do you only have 1k subscribers... Production quality is so good
Thank you so much! I’m wondering about that myself 😀
Excellent video on the real life sustainability of these EV cars. I too, have older version (2016 MS refresh/ Nov build), same color: Midnight Metallic Grey, 21 inch Grey Turbine wheels-wrapped in Continental silent tires.
Car is paid for. Garaged 24/7 since 2016. Even purchased a full PPF back in 2016, that is still looking sexy wet like yours! Folks confuse my car with 2022/2023!!!! I did do the delete chrome DIY myself. Since 2016, the only things replaced on it consistently, was the four tires every-36 mths.
Free supercharging still, free premium wifi. And, still gets off the line faster than 90% of 2023 sport cars today! I purchased the FSD at $2000 or $5000 back in 2016; I can’t remember which, but I use the FSD every week with no issues. I did purchase the MCU2 upgrade $1500. Also, next week Tesla is upgrading my cameras for FREE because I’m an original FSD owner of 2016. Overall, my MS drives smooth, no maintenance issues, and degradation is about 10% since 2016. I’ve currently have 103,000 miles on her. Yes, I have an MY Long range as well. CyberTruck is also reserved. I will NEVER take any other car on a road trip other than Tesla. The technology mix with security, sentry, and situational awareness of driving all around me is second to none! It’s the best car for road trips! And, Yes, I still get software updates periodically! How cool is that!
So happy with this product as a consumer! Neighbors and strangers ask me all the time about running out of juice or relevant concerns. I tell them, for starters, purchasing a Model S, is usually reserved for homeowners who have level 2 charging in their garages. Model X/Y as well. The other model 3-I’ve experienced is usually for the younger crowd. LOVED YOUR VIDEO! So much money I’ve saved over the long run with this car! Some Consumers have no idea how fun, safety, and practical the Tesla brand is. BTW… Did we tell the consumers about how safe this car is comparatively to other brands!?
That guy who ran is finally off a Canyon Road Show just how safe they are
Those images were pretty incredible. I can't believe they all survived!
Thank you for your kind words! You are spot on with the value of these cars. I have to admit, I didn't really get it either, until I purchased mine. I charged from a regular 110v outlet for the first year or so, and while that was doable, installing the Level 2 charger was a game changer.
My car has lots of blemishes and it's quirky in many ways. The first time the screens went black on me while driving was a little scary! But now I'm used to the quirks and I love the simplicity of the car. Everything is just simple - the driving experience, the (lack of) maintenance, the app, the tech - it all just works in a simple and serene way!
This was well done. Convinced me to go ahead and check out a pristine 2015 S tomorrow.
Thanks!
Thank you very much! I hope it works out for you!
Be sure to come back and tell us about it, if you get the car!
Same
Did you get it?
Great video. Thanks for sharing. Awesome looking S model. One of my favourites.
Thank you for your kind words! The mean a lot to me! I happen to think my S looks pretty darn cool as well :)
I recently drove an S 75D as a loaner while my MY 2021 goes for "repair" due to water intrusion. The suspension was a lilttle nicer, soft but just a bit compared to MY LR. I wouldn't buy a used model S 75d. It doesn't feel like the tesla experience is there vs newer models. Surprisingly the battery was still good in that model s with 87k miles on it.
There is definitely a trade-off in technology between the older Teslas and the newer ones. But also a reverse tradeoff in price :)
Excellent video. I just bought my first Tesla... a 2018 Model S P100D. It's awesome.
At timestamp 2:02 you show the driver console. The center display is much better than what I see... which is just the car and the speed. I know I can change the side display items but can I change the presentation of the center item?
Additionally at timestamp 2:52 you show a consumption chart on the main display. How to you access that? I have the latest software update.
Thanks in advance.
Thank you! You have the newer version of the computer in your car (MCU2). I’m still on the older version, which is why my display looks different. I don’t know that you can change yours to mimic what you saw on mine.
The consumption charts are under Charging somewhere. I’m sadly away from the car right now, so I’m not able to tell you exactly where you can find them.
How did you maintain maximum capacity for your battery? Our 2018 model s, when charging to 100% displays 325….
This is a great video thank you!!
I been looking for a commuter car that is under 30k, and will be driving about 80 miles round trip in very similar hit weather conditions.
This is tempting!! How much does it cost to charge ?
For most Teslas made before 2017, charging at Tesla’s superchargers is free. (Yes, really, truly free!). The cost of Charging at home depends on the cost of electricity where you live. If you can find your cost per kWh, a simple way to estimate is calculating 70% of your battery size and multiplying that with your rate.
In my case, my battery is 85kWh and my rate is $0.21 per kWh. So it costs me roughly 0.7x85x0.21=$12.50 to fill my car from 10% to 80%. Note that this is a rough estimate, but it gives you a pretty good idea.
Just a quick bit of advice, if you change your old mcu to mcu2 it makes a world of difference. The best tesla upgrade for older models.
Thank you. I’ve been thinking about doing that, but it seems I always can find better ways to spend the $1.5k-$2k needed for the upgrade. I’m (mostly) happy with the old MCU.
Best thing I did was to upgrade to MCU2.. like night and day…
For all the future viewers, never use the guess-o-meter, set it to percentage and go off the trip calculation.
That’s not too different than with a gasoline engine vehicle. The distance to empty is just a guess and is not very accurate at times
Those timelapse shots are awesomeeee
Thank you so much!
Yeah I've been to Palm Springs and I can attest it is freaking HOT!!!! Even dry heat bakes and being out in 100+ heat is absolutely no fun! But at night it does cool down fast. But afternoon to sundown heat is brutal!
Also driving a ten year old Tesla with 100,000 + and still having the long range capacity is a definite sign of a very well made car!!!!
Very good review, no nonsense and a lot of useful information and beautiful camera shots. Thanks
I noticed when you picked your station you didn’t select it by the speed of the charger and when you clicked on the slowest charger and then wondered why it took longer it made me think that you were not used to electric vehicles. Overall though I really did enjoy your content. Thank you.
Thank you for your kind words!
The chargers in Rancho Mirage are if the older kind, so they are all 72kW chargers - regardless of which one you pick 👍🏻
@@cadreamdrives The 150kW or larger might have been a better choice is all I was saying. We will be in Palm Springs for the next 4 days with our MXP and we love the 250kW chargers they have in the parking structure on the main drag. Very well kept model S and I hope my MSP looks that good 10-years from now.
Nice.. appreciate you showing us an older model S and how its still a leader to these other OEMs...
Thank you. We are just now starting to see cars that are getting close to being able to compete with Teslas. But if you factor in the Super Charger network, no one else is close.
@@cadreamdrives the lead is unchecked. Range anxiety has been cured
Great video! I am thinking of buying a Tesla (probably not the Model S) and your overview addressed some of my questions / concerns. Thank you - really well done!
An excellent detailed account... Thanks and best wishes
Thank you very much! And best wishes for you as well!
I have a 2013 Model S, and it's still running like a champ! I only use it for running around town and it's perfect for that
What about long trips
@@fbabyfbaby4658 I have a newer Model Y for that.
1:39 I have one of the first model S. I like how you can see the delamination of the LCD here that is SO common in these older cars. The display still works, but it looks ugly. Mine has grown to the entire bottom half of my display. The biggest issue with this is that the advesive leaks out into your console and if you aren't careful you will have very sticky fingers if you touch the wrong part of your car.
So far, my model S is still running great though. Being the performance model it eats tires like cookie on crack would eat cookies, but that's a bit on me.
Cheers to Tesla for making a great car! I still love it even with it's blemishes!
Thank you for watching! The delamination definitely seems to be common. I'm actually not sure how long mine has had it, since I typically don't notice it due to the location it happened in. I do know that it has been more than a year, and so far, I've been lucky that it hasn't grown much. If it ever gets huge - or starts oozing out, I'll be looking into either doing the DIY fix, or buying a new screen.
You're certainly right about the tire wear! Since mine is lowered too, it just tears through them. I've seen you can purchase aftermarket control arms that will fix the issue, so I may be getting some of those in the future.
But I'm in the same boat as you - I love my with with blemishes and all. It's just such a useful and complete car!
Upgrade to MCU2
@@visualtouchpos-global3214 I did. Had to pay a grip for it too.
Thanks for sharing this.
What are the specs of the wheels?
Great video! Salute from La Quinta Ca
Hola La Quinta! One of my favorite places to spend time during the summer! (Yes, I know - I’m backwards that way 😀)
Our family has three of those still great cars 2013 , 2014 and 2015 year model S cars no problems. Over 300.000 km (186.000 miles)on each. Charging at SuC is slow compared to when they were new but you get used to it.
Ive run a Model S P85 from new since 2015 now 127,000 uk miles later its still stunning. Peal white no sunroof, cream leather and Alicantera. I get the same range so 245 miles at 100%. Here in UK there are Superchargers everywhere now (back in 2015 there were about 4 stations). The old classic S still looks current, ride brilliant and is free Supercharging for life. Common concusses is the rear wheel drive cars steer the best and I would agree. 0-60 in 4,0 seconds means they are still quick.
I couldn’t agree more! The proliferation of Super Chargers has been incredible here as well and the cars are truly amazing!
Out of interest and no am not being sarcastic why do you mention that the miles are UK?
Solid analysis. Very well done
Thank you very much! I appreciate the kind words!
This is a great vid, man. I have 2 chevy Bolts, but i really want a Tesla, and the ones that are affordable tend to be older Model Ss.
I do wonder if i can CYA with some kond of car warranty in case of issues with the battery and powertrain.
One of my Bolts is nearing 150,000 miles and still mostly drives the way it did when I bought it at 54,700.
Thank you for your kind words!
It sounds like you do quite a bit of driving!
I’ve seen 3rd party warranties out there for Teslas, but I’ve never really looked into them much. I generally prefer to self-insure, but if the price is right, I can see some comfort in getting an aftermarket insurance.
Let us know if you find a good one!
Great video. I would have liked to see how much the electricity cost, especially if contrasted with how much you would've spent on gas.
Electricity is $$$ where I live. I charge at off-peak hours at home (overnight) and filling the car from 10% to 90% will cost me around $12. So it cost me maybe $8-$9 for the outbound drive. The return trip was free as old Teslas get free Super Charging.
Gas around here is currently $5.50 for a gallon (it was closer to $7 when I made the video!). 125 miles one way in a 30mpg car means app 4 gallons, so $22. And another $22 for the return trip.
@@cadreamdrives That's quite interesting. I run a diesel car in the UK and at 70mph it will return 65mpg easily in highway driving. Obviously the UK gallon is larger than the US. Your electricity is definitely $$$$!
This was an excellent review of an older Tesla. I own a 2020 model 3 with 70k miles on it and it’s still going fantastic! My car was in the shop and my loaner car was a 2017 model s and it was nice but I prefer my model 3 over the s. But if it was a newer Model s I probably would have liked it more. The supercharger network is fanatstic down here in Texas and I have 2 superchargers within 3 miles from me so I’m very fortunate. I plan on driving this car until I get a new one most likely a little later this year. But I have my fill trust in Tesla now. They really are fantastic vehicles
Teslas are magnificent vehicles in many ways (and crappy ones in other ways, but that's a different story...). The Supercharger network is such a huge asset. As long as you live and drive where SCs are available, range is a non-issue. Model 3s are a little "tighter" and Model S a little more "boaty". I enjoy the bigger size at this stage of my life, but there was a time where I would definitely have gone for the 3 as well!
Superchargers one day they will not be there due to others intentionally damage them to gain advantage (they have no Security features to protect them). Subotaging is the name of the game BROTHER; Please tell me your thought thQ
@@chavale2 well. Considering that’s highly unlikely that will happen to all superchargers, I don’t think it matter. Also those superchargers are pretty durable. There’s a supercharger near me that was hit by a car and it laying on the ground. People still pick up the cable and use it.
@@DillonCleans I would not charge at a lonely place @ SUPERCHARGERS; I'd rather buy Gas/Diesel @ Gas Stations and then use the Toilet to relax my little brother /little oyster as well dual purposes :); You could be killed using Chargers as no one there to help you in case some crazies lurking at night while you are charging for 30 mins (a pretty long lonely period without Security cameras??) . A lonely death/murder at SUPERCHARGERS ...Police is investigating the motives hahahhh Dude.... BJ ( good to join the POLICE Force as there will be more Investigators Police Jobs ; I will ask my younger brothers to apply in GA)
@@chavale2 bro what are you on 😭😭
Thanks for this .. I have a 2018 P100D that I plan on keeping for the long haul 👍🏻
Thank you very much for watching and for your comment. They really are incredible cars. You have the only car I’d consider upgrading to 😊
Sick tunes! I love that little micro slap bass in that first house tune the comes in.:) slow(mo) house is the new 'fast'!!
Glad you like it! I think it's pretty cool too 😛
Sad how 10 years is considered “old” for a Tesla
Ten years is “old” for every car.
I love my 2013 Model S which I bought 15 months ago with 116,000 miles. I’ve put 37k miles on it since then. I’ve had the brakes done and some suspension work, as well. The MCU and drive unit was replaced before I bought it. The new drive unit failed a couple of months after I purchased the car, so it was replaced for free as it was still under warranty.
The car is super comfortable, and I agree with some of the other commenters that the model S is still the best looking car Tesla has produced. It is also tremendously awesome to have free super charging and all the extra space in the frunk that’s available without the front drive unit/biodefense hardware taking space between your front wheels.
I had another great electric car before this one, a Chevrolet Bolt, but the battery issues drove me to sell it back to GM. The best thing about Teslas is the charging network. It was a complete hassle doing road trips with the Bolt. Just not enough reliable public charging infrastructure in place yet.
You can’t beat the convenience and reliability of the Tesla supercharging network.
100% accurate! The Charging Network is a game changer, and I can fit more in the S than in most of my other cars. All while flying down the road in luxury and with low running costs. What's not to like? 😀
I'm about to buy a 2013 Model S 85 with almost 110k miles. Were you/are you afraid of battery failure with yours? Any advice for things to watch out for?
@@erikkpritchard I think anytime you buy a 10 year old car, you’re rolling the dice to a certain extent. I don’t worry about battery failure on a daily basis, but it is certainly a concern to factor in.
These days, there are non-Tesla options that are significantly cheaper (but still not cheap) in the event of battery failure. There a places that will attempt to repair your battery (or, in some cases, just “block” bad cells so you can charge again, but with less overall range), and there are places that will do a complete battery swap (with a warranty).
The cost involved with a battery or drive unit failure are substantial, but the trade off is an amazing $100k car with next to no other maintenance costs and very few additional wear items.
I’m super happy with my car - but I might be less happy if I’ll need to swap the battery or put in a new drive unit some day…
How many miles and how is it running now
I love this! Im in orange county and I'm a about to take my 2015 Model S to Vegas for the first time.
What brand/size wheels are those, btw?
Enjoy your trip! We just went to Vegas a couple of months ago. I suggest using the Better Route Planner app to plan out your charging.
And be ready to get a little freaked out when the remaining battery charge drops FAST as you’re going over the last mountain. 😄
The rims on my car are 22”. I don’t know what brand / model they are. They came with the car when I bought it.
Modern windmills are more like in the 15MW range, not 1MW 😅😁
Really good video, thanks! One thing though, Tesla recommends you charge to a maximum of 90% usually for better battery health. It’s probably ok to charge higher very infrequently, like to 95% once on a trip. Also, charging for the newer 2021+ Model S vehicles and other Teslas is more than twice as fast and they launched their even faster V4 Superchargers. All good news, so by the time you get some refreshments, the car is ready. 2017+ Model 3s already have faster charging enabled. If you charge only at home using Level 2 240 V charging, then there can be zero wait by the time you are ready in the morning to go. All clean and better for the environment too, with zero emissions. Many people even charge for free at home with their own solar panels, or in some cases wind power! Free and clean energy!
I completely agree! I have solar panels on order, and having the car "full" every morning is enough for me for everyday use. I only use the Super Chargers if I'm going on a road trip. Depending on my schedule, I may charge to 100% there once in a blue moon, but mostly, I do shorter, quicker stops to 70-80%. The charging times for the newer cars are amazing - and they keep getting faster. The Lucid can charge at incredible speed!
Awesome video! Thank you for taking the time to make it! That car is just beautiful even after 10 years! ... Also.. Am i correct if i you have a slight danish accent?! :D
Thank you so much! I really appreciate your kind words! And yes, you would be correct - although, some people may say it's more than slight :)
@@cadreamdrives Haha, i didnt notice untill later on in the video, so it cant be that bad :D Well your video has really helped me in my decision of buying an older model S, so i am now on the lookout for one, the prices are getting better here in Denmark but they are probably not as good as in California! :P
What size are the wheels and tires? 🙌🏼🙌🏼✌🏼✌🏼
My Model S P85 is 10 years old as of this month (January 2013 build). It's worth it because it's been paid off for years. Maintenance averages about $300 a year, plus tires every 3 years or so at this point. It's great for minimizing cash flow out on vehicle costs.
I think the (lack of) maintenance costs often is overlooked. That’s one of my favorite things about the car. I pretty much never have to take it anywhere for anything.
@@cadreamdrives Did I mention that fuel last year was also essentially zero? (Free supercharging, free hotel/resort destination charging. solar at my home, also free)
Solar charging at home isnt free!You get your solarsystem on your roof for free!
@@brunoheggli2888 I've had the solar for 9 years. As of last year it has generated enough electricity to have covered my cost. The sky isn't falling bro', no need for the exclamation points.
@@andrewdiamond2697 You also have to compare your money invested in your solarsystem with other investment you could do at the same time,and dont forget that solarroofs ageing to!
For a 10-year-old vehicle, That Teals S still looks very new.
Thank you! It would like to say that I take great care of it, but I don’t. It’s my everyday driver, it lives outside, and it rarely gets washed. But somehow, it still looks cool!
Excellent review 👍
Thank you so much! I really appreciate the feedback!
Car of the century! Great video! Suggestion! do the MCU2 upgrade!
Thank you! I’ve thought about the MCU2, but can’t quite get myself to part with the $$ needed. I also use both FM and SiriusXM heavily, so that means even more 💰. The current speed of the interface doesn’t bother me much (and neither do the bubbles on my 2nd scree 😀).
Is it really worth the cost? I’m thinking I’d rather put that money towards a ‘16-‘17 90 or 100 😊
I can still drive my 23 year old Honda Accord for an 8 hour trip on one tank. Car has been super reliable since I bought it new in 1999. Its just a car, nothing special, but I love it.
I already own a model s, clicked in becoz your car looks awesome, love the wheels, and what color is the paint?
Thank you. It’s Dolphin Gray. It’s one of the easiest colors to take care of that I’ve ever had. The car always looks decent - almost no matter how dirty it gets 😀
@@cadreamdrives …What rims are those? Size and specs please… they look amazing on your MS
Are dendrites going to be an issue with the battery of such an old vehicle after a certain age and/or mileage?
Outstanding video and one thing that stood out for me is the fact EV's will last longer ICE cars and you proved that greatly. I loved the background music. What music track are you using? I have to download that positive music. Awesome work on this video and thanks!!
Thank you and well said! The simplicity of EVs vs ICE cars gives them so much more longevity and drastically reduce the mainenance costs.
The music is a track abtly named Smiles by Jones Meadow. You can listed to it here: czcams.com/video/XJzl9ORT8ks/video.html
Just curious, was there any battery degradation, and if so how much.
No more degradation than there would be with a gas-powered car's engine apparently. But I only own a 2023 Model 3 LR. Owning it and experiencing an EV first hand, I would say that it makes all ICE vehicles obsolete. The sooner we get rid of all gas-powered vehicles, the better . . . and I own a Nissan V8 pickup, a BMW 335i, a Shelby Mustang GT500 and a Jeep Grand Cherokee diesel V6. Obsolete. All of them, and their obsolescence will be much clearer in the next several years.
Haven’t watch the whole video yet. Did you mention the bubbling the delaminating center cluster?
I didn’t mention it, but as you probably noticed, it’s quite visible in some of the close-ups of the screen above the steering wheel.
I rarely ever notice them when I’m driving - I guess I was luck with the location they chose to appear in 😀. I know some people have successfully taken their screens out, taken them apart, and fixed the issue, but since this is my daily “haul stuff around” car, I haven’t taken the time to do so.
There you have it, a 10 year old electric car is old.
Some diesel cars are 50+ years old and 1million miles and still going.
Awesome video👍🏼
Thank you very much!
Shout out to Indio 0:05
😄Good eye!
How much to replace the Tesla battery? $23,000?
More like $ 30,000 + now
You can now replace the battery for around $15k from Tesla - or significantly less from 3rd party. There are also companies that will repair your old battery for quite a bit less.
I had an engine go out in a Jaguar XKR with less than 70k miles on it. A new engine was $30k. I had to seek the car for scrap instead.
I was quoted 16k. My battery is fine as I have 70k miles but I was curious. There are premium cars with engines costing much more than that
@@drzeng-ie8eb nope. Nice try though
New battery costs about 25000€ in Finland. What a joke.
What rims are those? Wow.
I’m in the process of buying a 2016 Model S P90D and I can’t thank you enough for this video.
Thank you so much! I can't thank YOU enough for taking the time to let me know. I really appreciate that!
I don't actually know the brand of the wheels (they came with the car when I bought it). I just know they are 22s. Good luck with your new P90D!
Hey what type of Rims and tires are you currently running on your Model S. ?? They look sharp ?
I don't actually know the manufacturer of the rims. They came with the car when I bought it. For tires, I run Lionhart LX-5. This is a controversial choice since many will preach only to use high end tires.
I don't track my car, but I do drive "spirited" and I've been extremely pleased with the overall performance of these tires. They keep the car solidly planted, they are comfortable, reasonably quiet, and they have done very well in torrential downpours for me. Since my car goes through tires like Jellybeans, the price-point of the Lionharts is very helpful. I've had these tires on several cars, and I have never been disappointed.
And yes, I've run many of the top performance tires on many of my other cars, but Lionharts just continue to work well on my Tesla.
Great comparison! Is it a P85 or P85D?
Thank you very much! My car is a P85 👍🏻
i saw a P85D badge on back
I’m keeping an eye out for an older model S, now that they might be eligible for the tax credit on used EVs ($4000 max credit). Would need to find one for
Bannergolfer how do you get the credit I just got a 22k Model s 2014
@@stevebernal8355 Steve, you apply for the credit when you file your taxes for 2023. As they say on TV, “conditions apply”. You must buy used EV from a dealer, not an individual and the price must be
Have you found one for
@@Bannergolfer TY. This is helpful. I owe money and would like a Tesla. This would be really helpful.
Some areas in California do have superchargers with actual stores (I'm trying to remember but if I remember correctly, Kettleman city was quite good). There are other areas where stores are in close proximity to superchargers. It's common in the bay area and parts of the central valley. When I was in SoCal last week (Marina Del Rey), I noticed that was not necessarily the case. However, the supercharger in Long Beach is close to a shopping center.
Yes, a lot of the SCs are in proximity of stores / restaurants (including the one I stopped at), which is great for longer charging stops.
I was mostly thinking it would be great to have something right at the chargers - similar to when you pull into a gas station. 😊
@@cadreamdrives Kettleman city has something similar to that. It's kind of a Tesla café.
Can you also talk about how the car holds up in terms of wear? I can see the trim lifting at the window above the charge port. I’m concerned in colder wet climates.
Good eye! That trim piece keeps popping out. The previous owner had all the trim wrapped in black vinyl, so I suspect the mount for the trim was weakened, when they took it off for the wrapping. It’s the only piece that’s having an issue. The rest of the trim is all solid.
Overall, I feel the car has been very wear resistant. The interior still looks great, and the paint is incredible shape after all these years (and I don’t baby it at all).
Wow your car still looks sexy.. its a 2013 with 85 battery pack ? .. After owning a 85D I discovered that pack was the largest out up until 2015 before the 2016 90 pack came along. The 85 packs unfortunatly does not have the better HV thermal system to keep them cool enough to accept the faster Super charging rates of today. So the Super charging speeds have been cut back to prevent overheat and damage.
Yes, it’s a P85. And you are correct - my car “suffers” from a lower Max charging rate. I know there was an option to have dual chargers on the car, but sadly mine doesn’t have that option.
@@cadreamdrives Love your classic P85. I've got a 2015 P90D and still enjoy every day with it. There's a company called 057 Technology that can install 90kw battery pack in your P85 if you want to keep that car for the long run and have higher range and charging speeds. Unfortunately, they are located in North Carolina, complete opposite of you.
While (super)charging the Tesla takes the power needed for the A/C from the charger, not from the battery. Other EVs do it the other way round, but I prefer the way Tesla does it.
Thank you for posting that info. I did not know that. That is super cool! (both figuratively and literally :😀)
Great looking car! Thanks for the video! What’s the wheels and tire set up? Is the car lowered with after market parts or stock?
Thank you! I’m not sure who made the wheels, but they are 22”s with a staggered setup. 295/25 in the back and 255/30 in the front.
And yes, lowered with aftermarket links 😊
@@cadreamdrives thanks for the reply! How’s the ride with the 22”? And with it lowered like that does it rub or hit anywhere?
The ride is very subjective. I think it’s amazing with the air suspension, but I’m sure there are others, who would consider it harsh.
There is no general rubbing, but I may get a little sometimes, if I go over a particularly harsh dip at high speeds. It doesn’t bother me, but it definitely happens.
The Model S will always look super sexy. No doubt.
What Tesla needs is a robust after-market for mods and batteries to keep these cars out of land-fills. The Prius battery market is filled with inde refurb guys who can provide battery packs far far lower than what Toyota would charge and that is a very good thing. My Prius is ugly, old (2005) and un-sexy, but at 200k miles I am getting 40 mpg on the original battery pack. She is a terrific around town car.
My 2010 Lexus gs450h hybrid with 105k miles required a hybrid battery replacement 3 months ago. Guess I am not as lucky. Great car but I'm going to a Tesla soon.
Maybe in California. I have massive range anxiety after trying to to take my 2013 model s 60 version from Minneapolis to Green Bay in the dead of winter.
Made it but had to combine all my battery saving techniques.
Yes it was a bad idea. I did get a gas car for long hauls shortly after... 😢
I can certainly understand that. I can only imagine what the range on an old 60 battery in the cold is!
Great job making it there!
Did you use ABRP to plan your stops? That can be super helpful.
No need to swear off all EVs because of that experience. You just need something with a little more range! 😄
I had done the route before. I basically have it memorized. I didn't swear off EVs I use the tesla 99% of the time and gas car when I need the range.
I get free charging with the Tesla so I am going to use till I can no longer use it.
A battery upgrade is possible I don't have money for it though.
@@baileytran4013 Don't bother with a battery upgrade. Save your money for your next car instead, and keep truckin with the old tesla until it doesn't work anymore :)
@@logitech4873 Good Idea :) good for the environment good for me!
@@cadreamdrives For your next Tesla, I wouldnt advise geting the smallest battery pack that Tesla ever made. I have a 70D and my next Tesla will be a P100D or Model S Plaid.
Great video and you’re easy on my eyes too.
Why, thank you very much! I’m blushing behind my keyboard 😀
Hi! I'm curious how you got those shots of you driving from a 3d person perspective at 1:29. Thank you!
Thank you for noticing! Those were shot with an Insta360 One X2 on a very long selfie stick 😊
you should try this same test at cold environment. That’s when the stress over the battery might really hit hard if the battery temperature control can’t handle due to insulation limitations
I've heard about the reduced performance in cold weather. I would love to test it out, but it just doesn't get that cold around here 🙂
Tesla just introduced heat pumps. should work pretty fine
Tesla's are huge in Norway. Thus, you can find many videos of cold weather range testing.
The best all-around EV tester on CZcams is on a channel called Tesla Bjørn*. He started many years ago with a Model S, but now tests all EVs sold in Europe.
* That said, I do like this review we are commenting on very much. Entertaining and informative, and good info about the hot weather situation.
3 evs on mars , -250 how cold do you want it ?
@@fradaja: When we're all driving multi-million-dollar cars made by NASA, be sure and get back to us on that useful claim. /s
Tesla needs to expand current color palette to include older colors they used to have. 😍
I agree! I love the old gray my car has. It’s an incredible color, that somehow always manages to look clean - even when it is far from it 😄
Nice video. I searched a bit in the comments but couldnt find the info. What wheels are those? Offset? Width? they make the car look gorgeous
Thank you so much - I really like the wheels too. They were part of why I chose this car.
Sadly, I don’t have any info on them, other than them being 22”. The next time I take them off, I’ll check for more details!
I went to charge at a station (not Tesla) and I couldn't use the charger because someone was charging on the other side. Is this a common thing? He said he was almost full anyway and politely unhooked and let me plug in.
I rarely ever charge at non-Tesla chargers, so I’m no expert on this, but it should depend on the charger. Most chargers that I’m familiar with, only have one cable - meaning only one person can charge at a time. Thats why you typically (but not always) see multiple chargers next to each other.
I got the same car here 2012 P85 signature at 122k and still running strong 😅 my full charge sits at 238 miles of range and was 265 new.
That’s fantastic! Did you buy it new or second hand?
I got it new and has always been using supercharger station to refill since
@@jayygtrThat’s great to hear! There is so much info floating around about supercharging being bad for batteries, so thank you for sharing your experience!
I bought a 2013 Model S P85 2 months ago!
I drive about 120Miles per day with it!
I love it so far
same color & interior color as yours
I’m so happy you’re having a good experience with your car as well. I think they are super awesome cars, and amazing value for the $$!
i've had so many cars and after a year I'm always wondering what's next, now that I have my model S I don't think i'll ever get rid of it, such a great car.
I feel much the same way. I have several cars, but I always drive the S - and the only car I could imagine replacing it with, would be a newer S 😊
Im about to buy an Tesla S 85 Performance /2013/.
Got a test drive, amazing car. Even if its lose 20% of battery i dont care. Just charge 1 time more than usual doesnt mean its bad.
Amazing experience.
Congratulations! I hope it will be as great a car for you as it has been for me!
Ten years old isn’t really old though. Very informative video. I still really like the model S.
Thank you! 10 years is pretty much as old as you can find them at this time 🙂
10 years is old for Tesla’s model S, the roadster is even older and most of them are still on the road…
Hi Henrik ! I live in northern Italy own a 2019 Tesla Model 3 Standard Range and a 6kWp solar system. All I can say is what an awesome car ! I’ll never go back to gas cars as here it costs almost 2€ a liter (that’s more than 8$ a gallon). I recharge it with my solar as much as I can !
Congratulations! That sounds like an awesome setup! I’m waiting for my solar panels to come in and look forward to the “free” energy from those.
Got the same car 2013 85. In dolphin grey 120k miles 21 inch turbine alloys black tinted rear windows i love it! Only thing i dont love are the expensive repairs
They are great cars! What kind of repairs have you had to do?
@@cadreamdrives drive train . Broken speed sensor in the drive unit . Leaking tail Light. Leaking front wind shield. Rear axle click numerus times. Vibrating front seats
I don’t have a Tesla. I didn’t really have any desire to own one, however I stumbled upon this video and stayed for the duration! Great video and great quality and thanks to you I’m now looking at used Tesla’s 😅
That’s fantastic! Thank you very much for the compliments.
I hope you join the club. I don’t think you’ll be disappointed - they really are amazing cars. We are working on swapping more cars to Teslas this year in our household.
Thanks for watching!
You get much lower charging speeds above 80%. It's counterproductive to charge beyond 80% on a road trip if you don't have to. But great video! .... I picked up a Model Y LR in Dec and have had it for only 7 months now. Getting around 307 miles of implied range on the last road trip. Nice to hear about how a 10 yr old Tesla performs.
Thank you very much for your comment! I agree with your statement. I only charge to 100% if I know I'm not getting back to the car for a while. The range in the newer cars is much better (and they charge quicker), but I still love my old S!
I couldn’t imagine spending 30 minutes of my day to refuel.
I complete get that, but it really doesn't work that way. 99% of the time, I spend zero time charging my car. I have a full "tank" every morning, and I drive by gas stations and wonder why people still spend their time and money on going there...
But, on the few occasions I do need to charge during a trip, I make it coincide with an errand or time where I have things to do that I can do in my car.
I had the same thoughts as you, before I bought my car. Now, I'll never go back...