Is AROS The Future of Amiga?
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AROS is an open source continuation of the classic Amiga operating system, that today runs on all kinds of devices from Raspberry Pi's, FPGA machines, classic Amigas and standard PCs. But how well does AROS run in 2022, and is it a worthy successor? I try out the Icaros Desktop distribution.
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▬ Contents of this video ▬
00:00 - The Modern Amiga Landscape and History
04:08 - Introduction to AROS
05:29 - Icaros Desktop AROS Distro
06:45 - Installation
07:54 - Squarespace Sponsor Slot
08:52 - Setup & Config
11:18 - Tour of Icaros Desktop
18:32 - Web Browsing & Network Tools
20:33 - Bundled Applications & Games
24:13 - Running 68K Classic Amiga Applications with AmiBridge
29:28 - Conclusion
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Hello, I am the mantainer of Icaros Desktop and I would like to thank you for your video. It's always great to see proofs of appreciation of all the astounding work AROS and 3rd party apps developers have done. I am just trying to mix them all together in a way they can inter-operate to get the best possible modern Amiga-like experience.
I don’t even use a computer anymore. I do everything on my phone, except when I’m at work (Windows laptop). Amiga desktop is pretty dead
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@@electrictroy2010 maybe to you but definitely porting old OS to modern day hardware is very useful. if you knew anything about desktops, you'd realise that workbench is actually pretty useful. This (Aros), React, and Haiku are all very impressive OS's.
Is the source to Icaros available to view? I couldn’t find a link on the website.
@@keyboard_g I could not find source either.
@@BiohazardX9 Haiku also has a decent webkit-based browser capable of youtube playback and a ton of apps ported over from linux (mostly qt/kde apps) including vlc, libre office, telegram desktop. Most usable from all of these small alternative OSes. Too bad they don't have any working arm port, it would be perfect desktop OS for raspberry pi.
With AROS, I wish we still had Fred Fish around. He rallied a lot of the community to open source and helped us get the tools needed to bring the platform forward without Commodore. AROS is the future, but getting a group of Amiga developers to agree on anything needs a respected early leader behind it. If only Carl Sassenrath or someone of the like would step up
I was about to post "+1", despite it felt too few.
Then I remebered I still own various Amiga, so as a much deserved tribute, here they come in "+" form :-)
+500 !
+1000 !
+4030 !
@@manuel-xax I started pretty late into the game around '95. Still got a 2000 (040) and a 3000 (060), with a plain jane 1000 in the mail. Never has another computer inspired me to dig in and enjoy using it even before running any software like the Amiga has
@@mshular I owned a 2000 (later added a 030+882 accelerator board).
The 3000 is the one I never had, despite it was the most beautiful beside the 1000.
Just like you, in my eyes the Amiga was the most inspirational computer I ‘ve owned.
It took over 20+ years before I started to really like a lot (almost « an Amiga lot » !) another computer.
That other computer is my base model M1 MacBook Air, by the way.
Welcome to "The FOSS Problem" Amiga Community!
Seriously, give it a few years and next thing you know you'll be having arguments about which variant of a dozen FOSS system components (that all do the same thing) is "better". In another ~20 years you're going to have an executable format war that will continue... effectively forever.
Cheers, from a begrudging Linux user.
Not sure how useful Carl would be given the ups and downs of his Rebol project.
Many years ago I hacked together AROS to run on a modified XBOX, had soldered 128MB ram also to be more useable, great fun, still have that machine kicking around somewhere :)
Maybe it's time to revisit it again.
Pretty incredible that this level of OS is done by a small developer. CZcams what it takes to make a modern OS, the resources required are massive
OS itself is pretty simple. It's the applications on top of it.
I figured the biggest problem would be drivers especially with the lack of documentation for devices especially graphics cards and peripherals although those aren't necessarily as important.
I have installed AROS two or three times over the years and I was pleasently surprised, although I could not consider it stable enough for regular use. Recently, I unearthed a complete UAE system I created 20 years ago and archived onto a dvd ram disc. I had set up the emulation to boot into Scalos and I must admit that in the early 2000s it looked really cool. In fact, I would have liked to have owned an A4000 in the day, but they were far too expensive for me buy. Following the demise of Commodore emulation became the only way of having a decent experience of this platform, so I dedicated a machine to it. The Internet was not as sophisticated as it is today and any browser could provide connectivity. However, my concern about the Amiga/ AROS/Morphos platform today is that it will remain an oddity for nostalgia and only of interest to a few. In its current form it could not replace a productive environment like Windows, Linux, Mac Os or even BSD. I also reserve this sentiment for Haiku, React and Risc Os. In fact, I tried to install Haiku onto hardware two weeks ago and it didn't work. This is unfortunate as, at one time, I used BeOS 5 Professional as my main system, before moving to Linux after the Zeta fiasco. Today I have a dedicated Raspberry pi for RiscOs 5 and I love it, but I still need to access a PC for printing and CZcams. My point is that whilst people like Paolo Besser and other developers are doing a fantastic job at keeping these environments alive, I often wish the diversity had never died. The Amiga would have evolved into a wonderful modern platform in its own right. Given the enormous resources required to create and maintain an OS I think AROS and the like should be ported to unix/Linux as a layer just like Mac OS is over Darwin or Android is over Linux.
There's a little thing I'd like to note: RAM disks are also a built in feature used by default on Linux - your /tmp directory is a RAM disk and you can create other ones anywhere in your filesystem by creating an empty directory and mounting the tmpfs filesystem inside them!
/tmp is not always stored in ram
@@sashakoshka that's true they are only stored in ram by default. they can be configured to be stored elsewhere of course but by default they are like an amiga ram disk.
thats a good point! I never thought about how similar the /tmp and the amiga ram disk are.
thats a good point! I never thought about how similar the /tmp and the amiga ram disk are.
It would be cool if Hyperion ported Amiga OS 4.1 to ARM. The same can be said for Morph OS.
Do they even have devs left to even issue bug fixes? I can't remember the last time I saw any news about anything new for OS 4
In terms of support Hyperion must be the worst company I've ever dealt with. I bought kickstart 3.2 and the floopy edition, as I like to be able to install my Amiga like I'd have had to do it 30 years back. But it's missing several floppies (ie the diskdoctor one). After more than half a year of mailing, posting on their facebook and even TRYING to get my forum account acitivated I downloaded the ISO from Pirate Bay. My patience only goes to a certain level.
I won't expect anything at all from Hyperion. I'm absolutely grateful for their software and kickstart (which is why I bought it) but the company itself is crap.
ARM not but RISCV.
Borrow from industrial computers the passive backplane. Everything active on daughter-cards. Less obsolescence, and easier to change and upgrade.
Great video, Dan. Always nice to see some appreciation of the massive amount of work people have contributed to developing AROS, just a shame more with the ability/knowledge don't get involved.
Beside doing it for nostalgia, if there is no revenue model, people with skill and ability and knowledge won't spend their time on it.
Unless you have free time to spend and prove you can run raytracing on an atari 800 to show how skilled you are, anything else is done mostly for the purpose of getting money in your bank account.
If they start to sell AROS, you can bet that more people will try to make a check out of it, and you will see people with skill and knowledge joining in.
To get around the lack of USB boot, I bet this would work with Ventoy, which is a tool that lets you launch ISO files from a USB drive. This would probably be the best option currently until they get a native USB installer option working.
No lack, Icaros and AROS One can boot from USB, but you can also create a PendriveLive to install AROS on HD !
Thanks for laying out this video like that as it clarifies allot of confusion.
Thanks for this nice review. I liked seeing how the seamless emu mode works. Could you do the same review but with MOS ? Would be nice to hear your conclusion/thought on these two on such a side-by-side comparison.
Great video Dan,
With ICAROS Morphos and Amithlon we have it covered. how ever it would be some much better if everyone just played from the same song sheet, then we could have something really great.
Absolutely brilliant look at AROS from you. Used this many years ago and even then, i found that it was very good.
A big problem is always going to be hardware support and the amount of effort needed to support just a few PC models. I would be in favor of focusing on a popular platform like Raspberry Pi however their Broadcom GPU is closed source so no way to get accelerated graphics. Even with open source hardware, just writing a GPU driver for a different OS is an insane amount of work. Considering this I strongly believe the best future for AROS is hosted on Linux. You get all the benefits on the Linux kernel (support for basically any hardware) while the Amiga devs can focus on the user experience and the userspace software stack. Heck, even add kernel support for m68k binaries and maybe even emulation in the kernel for a seamless integrated experience. I don't mean to diminish the hard work of AROS devs, they have done an amazing job. But trying to be realistic, this is my point of view.
Another great video Dan. This is an interesting OS for sure
Loving the preview and commentary.. when came to audio, we need to hear ((hopefully ASIO will be a good implementation. Thnx
Well now I don’t need to make this video for my channel. Mine would’ve been terrible anyways. Lol. Great video Dan!!!
Yes.... you are the most underproduced and poorly produced Amiga channel on youtube anyways... ;)
I like this. Would like to see more about making this a nice environment on real hardware, and videos describing how to get the most out of Janus to take advantage of the amazing 68k back catalog classic Amiga offers.
I would really love to see these os' being ported to the new upcoming risc-v architecture :) this would be a really fun potentially smaller code-base to learn more about os development, especially with an open architecture with more and freely available documentation
Great vid Dan 👍 got to ask at about minute 1 what are you using to get that resolution out of your 1200, I have the AGA mk3 but not playing well with interlaced modes, would love to find a way to have a more useful screen resolution 👊
Scan doubler module.
A basic modular program perhaps that can:
1. Be a working rigid and stable word processor,
2. data editors/transformators (music/sound/images/video), and
3. coding IDE with streamlined, minimalistic design, with option for additions. (VScode style?)
Once the coding option is working we can allow the community to work through it to mass produce other solutions.
Because it is Amiga and the rigid old systems it should be a low level language as its base, but provide optional extensions for the higher level programming languages if possible. Just an idea.
Been considering running AROS as a way to playing classic Amiga games and software.
Might run it on my own retro PC's
I watch a lot of vintage channels there's no practice point to them but I enjoy watching them 😀
Aros ran surprisingly well on old netbook acer inspire one, I remember it supported all the hardware of that device too, wifi, usb drives, vga out, I used that for a time as my Amiga fix on the road (and did website programming on that netbook) it was a great little package. I think when the dev focus on one device the system was much better for it. Aros is a great Amiga solution but it does still need a bit more spit and polish so to speak. I hope the platform popularity improves, because it does deserve more respect for being an alternative to all the legal mess that let’s face has cast a shadow over the platform ever since commodore went under.
The reason for the support of that particular device is because Steve paid a developer to get drivers for it.
Dan, do you have a "working" link to the latest AROS Vision for the Amiga? All the links i've found are dead.
Amazing to see how far AROS has come, I used to be really active in the project between 1999 and 2008, I'm guessing some of my code is still in the repository!
Hello. Nice video. Can AROS for ARM procesors be run on TheA500 mini? Have you tried?
Brilliant review. Thank you for your work.
The elephant in the room is that the mascot might be the reason people aren't talking about it as much lol
I agree. The creator of this mascot is a furry degenerate. Even if you put those things aside, i find the design of this mascot quite cringe.
@@sonico9889 it's basically ensuring that most women in tech never take part in this project
Love this! I've totally missed that this exists ^^ you seem know a thing or two so maby you know if there are any program out to "filter ' a modern song too an modul-song and automatic scale the voice away, stripping it, if you know what I mean. Regards
Dan, I believe you mentioned you might do a video on AROS ONE !AROS ONE Ver 2.0 was just released and looks awesome,Hope you decide to take a look at it soon and better yet decide to do a video on it!You put out some awesome and very informative videos!
Really cool video. I bought a Vampire V4 Standalone last year and have Coffin, 3141, 321, and Apollo OS (fork of AROS). I only got into Amiga 2 years ago. Oh yeah I also bought a x5000 motherboard for OS41 with an AMD RX590 GPU for OS41and just added a Radeon X1950XTX which Morph OS can now use with hardware acceleration! Expensive but cool.
Wow! Are you dualbooting your X5000 (AmigaOS4.1 and MorphOS)? How do you set that up?
Aros is awesome! I used to have so much fun beta testing software on my Aros PCs, it's so ideal for Amiga hobbyists and such a shame it gets ignored or overlooked.
„The Future of Amiga”? Dan, have a mercy… the Amiga is the thing of the past! „Fond memories” etc.
It was incredible thing during the late 80s - now it just has its own niche in „retrocomputing” realm, that's all.
I think he and many Amiga enthusiasts know that the Amiga scene is a niche. He even acknowledged that with his section on the problems of PowerPC Amiga systems.
This video specifically focused on modern Amiga developments though, so I assume the "future of Amiga" part is specifically about the future of the community as they're running out of hardware to keep themselves afloat.
I'm still disappointed that he didn't seem to answer what the appeal of running an Amiga nowadays (especially a modern one) actually is, though. It's fine if it's just a a cool toy but show us why this toy means so much to you. He got lost a bit in the how of Icaros and didn't get to answer the why.
@@PixLgams I like retrocomputing by myself - proud owner of a few(!) 8-bit Commodores - still I'm just being realistic. Yes, Amiga-related things are nice, but it's not that „eyecandish” anymore, like it used to be in the 80s, because any Linux distribution offers much more.
Yes, comparing in 1986 Amiga Workbench to Windows 1.0 - indeed, that was much different story...
@@beholder2012 Nothing wrong with being niche, as I stated. I just would've liked some insight on why to care.
I do take offense on behalf or r/unixporn for the implication that Linux is somehow ugly, though.
@@PixLgams it's not actually ugly - just IMHO it's actually „too much” for personal computer. Linux (or any xBSD) is full-featured server OS! Who needs so much on his/her personal computer? And in the time everyone of us can have not just one, but several machines? It had some rationale behind it when the PCs were much more expensive - sharing one machine among all family members,. for example - but not today.
@@beholder2012 I guess I could somewhat tie this back into my original video issue as to why I personally wouldn't move away from Linux when I have the option:
First off, Linux is not like Windows, down to the fundamental level. I'd say that Windows is something you make useful by running things on top of it, while Linux is something you turn into a tool in and of itself. Everything is integrated, everything is automated, everything is modular. Linux is as simple, lightweight, heavy, featureful, boring or weird as you configure it to be and can thus be hand-tailored to give me the best workflow I can come up with.
This modularity comes with the added benefit of getting to know your OS. I can swap things out, see what they do, optimize, tinker and experiment with anything with little worry of irrecoverably breaking things with no documentation to show enlighten me on my error. Bit by bit I've come to understand a highly complex, modern workstation OS almost inside and out. Oddly enough Linux has even taught me a few things about Windows in the process.
Lastly, Linux also tends to feature a lot of nifty tools for fixing problems. Whenever a Windows desktop freezes I feel stuck between either waiting for things to get sorted out or simply rebooting the machine. On Linux I can just use the Magic SysRq, and the next framebuffer TTY to inspect and weed out the root of the problem to get rolling again without losing work to a reboot.
To me as a professional programmer, the whiplash I feel when I have to develop in an environment where these benefits are taken away from me is almost painful. I build software for a living so it's best for me to do it using software I can assure myself maximum control over at all times.
Sorry if I've been gloating a little, but this is the kind of statement I would've liked Dan to give about the Amiga. Not that it should have any of those features, but what it does have that makes it meaningful.
How does dev applications run like AMOS and aztec C++ or how do you build aros compatible windows programs?
Thanks Dan, looks like Icaros has come a long long way, the integration is what interests me the most, I might have to try this on an old netbook! Great video, makes me wonder how easily we could port chrome or something :)
You don't have to, run it hosted and you can access chrome or Firefox and other apps.
Try a competent all-in-one , picked up a bargain Acer qusd core many years ago at wallyworld, runs FS-UAE on nix a dream.
Any links that have faster download speeds for the full 2.3.0?
Great video again! Make sure you check the AROS versions for the Vampire as well: ApolloOS & Aros Caffeine.
BTW the name for directory is drawer, not folder in Amigan :P
Yeah brain fart on “folders” 😖
I have two boxes of 3.5 floppies of Amiga software, is there anything setup so that I can have those available?
can you change the kickstart in emulated amiga?
Hello can you help Me I'm Having an issue with my (PiStorm32Lite) for my Amiga 1200. I followed all the directions according to the PiStorm Wiki. for some reason every time I boot my Amiga I get a Blank workbench screen and a message in the top left hand corner of the Screen that says " you must insert a Volume Containing LIBS/icon.library in any drive" Now I've tried looking up this issue and I've got lost can you help me Please.
What is PalPC Dan keeps mentioning? Is it similar to PowerPC for the UK market?
AROS needs much more support by the community. If there‘s a future for Amiga, THIS is it.
The only thing I really wish for is better integration for native 68k Amiga apps. As it seems now it loads a whole emulator, a whole 68k OS and runs apps there. I‘d say that‘s basically the brute for e approach. We need to trap API and OS calls to use the native x64/ARM API and OS functions, so that all those functions like drawing windows, opening requesters, library calls and so on run at full speed on the host system.
Using QEMU or UAE to run proper old school Amiga apps and 68K code is the sensible wsy to do it.
The core and philosphy of AmigaOS is recusive reentrant code, pre-emptive multitasking, strict kernal control of apps and routines.
@@joefish6091 And that didn't change with AROS. As long as all handles, hooks, APIs etc. are compatible at interface level, it would work. It's how other emulators work, it's how Apple's Rosetta works for the third time.
On a OS which try's to be a future version of the Amiga OS Workbench would it not been better to include Gloom 1 and 2 instead of Doom.
have you tried WB1.3/2.0 games as well?
Shout out to Jon Potter, author of Directory Opus, mentioned in the video! Cheers from Kiwi (Nexus)!
Does AROS or any other AmigaOS option offer a built-in file-sharing feature, for sharing between AmigaOS set-ups and/or sharing with Win/Mac environments?
What about a screen-sharing feature?
The Amiga scene has always been a hot mess. I remember the flamewars of 2001 when The "traitor" MorphOS broke away and competed with a not even released Amiga OS4.
I still consider 2009 & 2011 a "modern day" year
It is the the grand scheme of things. The proof is how a ten year old pc can still play 1080p60 CZcams perfectly and can still browse the web perfectly (with slightly choppy scrolling, of course).
2009 is still recent history to me. It's kind of like seeing people saying how they were watching "Lucky Star" when they were kids, but *my* anime growing up were "Gigantor" and "Speed Racer".
.the bigger question to ask how far do we want some form of an amiga OS to go..
and how far do we want it to go to support the hardware need
Powerpc is still around in the form of the power architecture, you can get a some parts for building a power9 developer workstation desktop from raptor computing, plus the power architecture, the same architecture behind the older powerpc processors is open-source now. The latest version of the power isa, is v3.0 the same version behind the newer IBM power10 server processors!
It would have been nice to see a game running in 68k integrated mode with the Amiga Forever roms. I admire the passion and if they get the USB drive option solid, I'd check it out for old time's sake. I wonder if they could include the Linux kernel as an option to increase the library by an order of magnitude
Lots of external USB optical drives to buy if you ever need that CD, DVD or BlueRay. And they are quite cheap.
Heck, I'm a new prospective user and I'm interested. I think this may be the time I finally buy a PowerPC based Mac Mini. I'll start trying it on my iBook G4 first though.
Great review, as always. This is important topic for the future and it's nice to see use of gnu/linux codebase. Linux will also benefit from Icarus Desktop as well
whar ever happened to the rtos based replacement?
I think if I were to set up a computer I'd love to get a more modern computer up and running, get some nice looking badges for the case then find out if I could get a modern keyboard with custom keycaps. Somehow using a keyboard with windows layout and keycaps would takeaway from the look.
I love this. I'm downloading it now to install on one of my older laptops.
I'll put all my old Amiga games and test as many Amiga apps as I can on it to see what happens.
This will be fun. "Never give up, Never Surrender" :P
Thank you for posting this video.
Great video my friend.
If the Icaros img is a standard ISO format then Ventoy on a thumb-drive will run the image without any need for formatting - merely drag and drop the ISO to your Ventoy image directory on your thumb-drive. I've messed with Icaros in the past, but was in VM systems like Workstation & others. Had recently looked at Aros One myself (like January 2022) and it does look fantastic. Good vid.
New version of AROS One 1.8 released visit AROS One Home Site
Presuming the Icaros ISO doesn't do any oddball boot tricks (you can't use Ventoy to load a MacOS boot image for example). But since they seem to be using GRUB for booting the disk it may work fine.
Anyone else notice the error at 13:15 ?
No Dan they are not called folders on Amiga.
Stand in the corner and face the wall.
Yep, long day 😩
I am both surprised and not surprised about seeing Eric W. Schwartz artwork accompanying such a project.
Is Wayfarer web browser only for MorphOS, or is it also available for AROS?
This would be a cool use for an old A4-5000 board.
Any idea why the mouse responds upside down?
Its like 1990’s ui paradigms in modern window frames. Hard to inspire the future while hanging on to UX design that has long since been surpassed.
I would call it surpassed, just out of fashion
I actually find AmigaOS 4.1 way more flexible regarding UI compared to Windows 10. Even back in the days when I had a super-expanded A1200 with AmigaOS 3.9 + a bunch of free software that I downloaded from Aminet.... I could customize my UI waaaaaay more than I can with Windows 10. And that is back in 1998-2000.
I prefer the old 1990's ui paradigms. Unfortunately, Windows ui design moved further away from it over time. Windows 8 was the final nail in the coffin.
Fantastic video as always Dan, but do you know of anyone that’s doing any videos on porting Amiga operating systems or Amiga forever 9 on the Steam Deck? I’m looking to put a Commodore omega skin on my steam deck, the ultimate customization would be Amiga Forever maybe with Amiga OS 4 or AROS…….yeah it Linux emulating Commodore Amiga but that’s Amiga for the masses not the classes as Jack would say.
I use a Toshiba P105-S6197 Laptop with 4 GIG Memory and a 120G HDD. I have FS-UAE Linux usb boot, installed on the HDD so when I turn on the Laptop it boots straight to an Amiga 500 with WB 1.3 : I can add ADF disk to the folder to boot games or workbench etc by using a windows bootable USB drive to edit the Linux HDD files. You can edit the Config file to boot any Amiga you want, 500 - 4000. I also use FS-UAE to configure new systems and test them, then just copy the new system config file to the laptop and set the system config file to boot the new system.
Can this be configured to look like Workbench 1.3?
Does it work with a MIDI interface? Can I run MIDI-based software like Deluxe Music?
Would this run on a AMD A10-7800k (Kaveri) or is this a non starter.
I want to ask anyone.
Since pretty much Amiga task today is preserving software (the Amiga is long dead and Commodore hardware slowly following) and the common way of using software is UAE, does anyone tried any integrated packages like PandoraBOX 1.5? Its WinUAE packed with modern looking 1024x768 AmigaOS desktop and bunch of HDD converted games.
Great to see Morph OS working still on PPC, there must be a ton of PPC out there
OLD hardware == DDR2 or old GFX cards, no 3D support, or no hardware video decode support, and no PCIe and you have its maybe v1.0 or v2.0. so its slow. yes the last G5 are pretty good, but they are noisy. But comparing AmigaONE-X50x0 to low spec PowerPC mac is disingenuous.
I just got into raspberry pis, and I wish I could use this on one of them
So what about the other aspect to this? What new OSes can you run on an old Amiga?
There is no distro for raspberry pi. if you can show us how to install it to a pi, please do
I tried it a few years ago on an old netbook as I thought it would be nice to have a very small portable Amiga, but I ran into issues with the WiFi that I just couldn't work around. So it sadly went back to being a Linux device.
Most laptops have a removable WiFi card, and you can swap it out with one that's compatible. The Atheros 5000 chip in my Eee PC works great with AROS.
Just install an atheros 5000 minicard in your netbook instead of the included one. Netbooks fly with Icaros.
@@paolobesser3382 I'll have to try that. I know the netbook has an atheros chip in it, just don't know which one.
I thought by the time BeOS was discontinued that unless it was Open Source or based on it then most Desktop OS’s have no chance against Windows or Mac. The past few decades of the state of the Amiga platform confirmed it for me, while Chrome OS, based on Linux, has lots more end users, and it’ll continue growing with OS Flex.
So I wish the AROS community well , but I still want OpenZFS, WINE, and a lot of other things I’m not sure they’ll have resources to include any time soon.
Hi Dan. Are you familiar with FS-UAE (Mac). Is it possible to install AROS on it? I would love to play PPC games on FS-UAE.
I must admit as someone looking into the Amiga ecosystem, it feels like a very closed off space in a way. That's just been my first impression.
Can you run ImageFX and DCTV?
I don’t get it: I love Amiga, my favourite computer, spent 7 wondrful years from 87 to 94, from 12 to 19 yo: if anything I want to relive that experience, proper retrocomputing. I don’t understand what shoudl I do with a new system. I have both Windows 11 and Apple OS, don’t need another one.
Amiga was ahead of Mac and PC for years. It's a shame it wasn't better supported and developed. It was 10+ years until MS produced anything comparable for the mainstream until the late 90's.
@@toby9999 you're right - but it's all over! It was almost half a century ago!
Mostly I think it's a programmer hobby. But also, imagine you can install this new Amiga-like OS on your computer or in a VM and be able to run all the old retro apps and games, workbench, etc on it without messing with licenses for ROMs and whatnot. A pure open source Amiga experience that works out of the box. That would be pretty nice.
I was considering getting the new Atari VCS and use it for AMIGA AND ATARI ST emulation
I owned an Amiga 500 and later a 2000. Great in their day but what's the point of an Amiga in 2022? I see it as being even more niche than Linux. Does it really compete with anything current?
Yeah. Same with BeOS/Haiku. I remember Dan did a video about it and it was very lacking. I wanted BeOS to succeed but its fate is pretty much sealed when Apple bought NeXT.
I don’t even use a computer anymore. I do everything on my phone, except when I’m at work (Windows laptop). Amiga desktop is pretty dead
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I can't found an Image for my Pi400. 😢
If you have Amiga Forever, they have AROS as a prebuild image ready to go. Double click and it launches directly into Wanderer (Workbench).
Probably a little easier for most people, rather than trying the x86 build booting from a live CD and hoping it works with your bare metal hardware, or if you lack the actual Amiga to try it on.
People boot the live cd in a virtual machine on their x86. They do not boot it and hope it will work.
@@bbuggediffy Dan literally didn't do what you said in his video. He even mentioned using Amgia Forever to copy it over.
It's almost like you've not even bothered to watch the video before jumping on my comment. Do you even Amiga Bro?
@@dataterminal I'm a bit doubtful Dan actually booted it on bare metal, because there was a VMWare VMSVGA driver popup during the install. I'm not sure if that'd pop up on real hardware, maybe Dan can clarify.
I feel the same about GnuStep, great software, not enough people using it.
finally, new Amiga videos
Amiga doesn't have a history of open source. The OS itself was always proprietary and closed source, and most of the programs and utilities we used were shareware and closed source as well. I'm guessing proprietary systems like AmigaOS 4 just "feel" more like Amiga for some due to the business model (closed source running on proprietary hardware). For those who are interested in open source, Linux provides a much better experience, with far greater hardware/driver support, a huge software library and support for modern features like multicore CPUs. If you're looking for the nostalgia of classic Amiga, FPGA or even emulation provides an authentic experience.
Try Aminet , most of what made the Amiga scene great was open source.
@@joefish6091 The vast majority of Aminet is not open source.
@@davidwalker1652 Yep most of it was shareware, especially back in the day (I had my A1200 online 1996-1998). This has actually become a bit of a problem since many of the original developers aren't around, making it impossible to legally get hold of a license key.
Icaros is great, but not all PC hardware is supported. I have found a lot of hardware that is really good, but the best I have found is an system running with the Intel GMA 950/945 chipset.
I have had trouble getting the new Janus running in Icaros too...
I got an old Compaq/HP Mini 110c I got on eBay for chip that runs great.
Lately I have been using Amilator. Amilator is a minimal live Linux bootable that loads up E-UAE on start.
Looks great a lot better than windows 11 for sure i wish something like this was a mainstream os the only thing i don't like is the sketchy mascot.
No it doesn't the hell you talking about. It looks like a linux distro from 2005.
That's Amiga, a computer of the 80s which had to live with hardware boundaries of the time, and in many ways it won on them. But time has lasted and yes, AROS looks really old for todays standards. We even lack of hardware acceleration for the desktop operations, which is something that became quite common only 15 years ago. But now we are in 2022.
MorphOS actually isonly fully operational on a very limited subset of PowerPC Mac systems
The only way there's a future to these older ecosystems to to program on a intermediate language that's close to machine language, but interoperable. ILVM maybe an example. That would allow software to be independent to hardware, if you implement the core language interpreter.
As always Dan, another classic vid, I haven't watched it yet.. but know its going to be worth it as soon as I crack the beers open and watch this. Also a big thank you to you, Joe and ravi in advanced as I asked for the Amiga Adidct mag for it to be autographed by you guys. I'm in fa ebook jail for the next month so I will post it on your wall and the retro hour to let people know how awesome you, ravi and Joe are. Million thanks once again Dan. Means a lot to me mate 😊👍
nice OS.. alot of features looks like to have been borrowed from Risc OS,
including the configuration menu, window handling, ramdisk, etc...
i think i could feel at home with this OS..although with the constant developing going on on Risc OS (Direct).... i dont really know...
but its much better than window 11 or 10 .... Good looking Icons..i like that.. might borrow some for other OS's
nah, it all comes from AmigaOS, which predates Risc OS.
It's essentially a remake + enhancement of Amiga OS. It's API compatible on cpus other than Motorolla 680x0 and both api and binary compatible onMotorolla 680x0 cpus.
Thanks Dan, Keep up the Good Work. Amiga Nut 🙂
My only question is does it run more modern programs? Like open office or modern games?
I've wondered how readily LibreOffice could be ported. Besides not knowing enough programming to even consider trying it myself, I also wonder if working on a different OS could be considered a conflict of interest (I work for a Linux company).
damn that catto looks dashing
Thanks Dan, this looks great. My reservation about using AROS beyond playing is security based. Linux has the benefit of thousands of engineers working on it and apps.
But AROS has the advantage that not a single hacker would bother with it. Security through obscurity.
@@Francois_L_7933 security thru obscurity is a horrible fallacy. It only takes one. Anyone decides to take advantage you have no protection at all.
@@bzuidgeest That's quite true. I wouldn't trust it with my banking info that's for sure. But I don't think anybody would really take advantage of a system that is used on a few thousands of computers worldwide when there is a gazillion Windows PC's that are often very poorly maintained that could be accessed.
Is there another web browser that will work on Aros?
There really needs to be an online portal where you can get real time help. My biggest complaint with Amiga 3.2.1 was the back and forth between forum and PC became too tedious for people like me trying to get back into the old machine. Also, I notice that the real machine experience isn't as good as the emulated PC experience.