XQC makes a Riot developer mald by saying DOTA is better than League
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If popularity is a measuring stick for how good a game is, fucking candy crush would be the best game
I agree with that shit
Yea, and Flappybird would be the most competitive and difficult game. The guy's argument using popularity is just wrong.
And X made the same analogy with kpop, the riot dev has no answer and decided to switch to another stupid argument with the basketball back flip lol.
@@SilverMystes1 I think X mentioned kpop because LoL popularity also benefited from kpop. They literally promote the game using kpop.
At the end of the day, there's nothing better or worse, it just our preference. Different doesn't mean worse or better, they each have their own good. But using popularity as a measure how good something is, is just wrong.
@@R1ckyZer0 yes I agree at the end of the day it's preference but you can still objectively call something better than another (people just have to accept that what you prefer is not always the best). And no xqc mentioned kpop to argue the riot dev about LOL having more players so its better because kpop, at the very least in this era, is pulling in the highest numbers compared to other genre. Does that mean that kpop is the best music? No way.
Even XQC teaching a riot dev what turn rate is sadge
It's funny that this Riot Dev uses popularity as a measure for quality, then instantly uses the crowdfunding of the International as a crutch, which again is based off popularity, then further dismisses it because the opinion of one of the most popular streamers saying DotA is a better game, is not what he wanted to hear
Selective data truly is hilarious
It's like saying fornite is better than pubg cuz fornite has more players
That was the guy known for use of statistics in league!
@@jamescarlo4380 wouldn't be a controversial statement because it is better
@@omster_ really? I'd beg to differ.. I enjoyed pubg way more than fortnite.. but that's just me and my friends
@@sanstheskeleton5573 No hes not saying saying fortnite is better than pubg, hes just giving an example as what the LOL developer measures quality which is by quantity of players. Pubg is much better than fortnite
Turn rate is what makes melee hard carries work. In league carries always have to be a range carry.
Dota 2: You be catching them from behind, they need time to take time to turn to hit you, making positioning and map awareness Very Very Important.
League: You catch them from behind, the hypercarry face you within 0.0 second and auto you.
this is blatantly wrong lol
@@simonium8123 how is it wrong? It’s much much harder to close distance if there is no turn rate. Basic logic
@@ceruleanblue9 have u played league of legends in your life like once
@@simonium8123 answer the question
As a dota 2 fan my respect for xqc has increased
Yeah First time he used Logic
never heard of this guy, but he is actually 100% on point and knows what he is talking about
BasedQC
me too
I have never respected XQC more in my life than right now.
You can go into long hours of draft analysis and theorycrafting in Dota. I don't see that happening in League.
You can jn league also, but nobody does that except few streamers because they think draft isnt that important
@@ivanpuklavec6494 you cant
you go in for the sake of "go in" for hopurs
lol has 0 depth what'soever
while in dota, its actually take days to analysis the drafting of pro game due to how complex the game are
The fact that twitch currently has a 'league meta' proves just how shallow league is.
@@ratdoto2148 fact
all that for it to be a worse game
"Turn rate is pointless in the game"
No, coming in behind someone can make all the difference in the world. In league, they just insta 180 stun you.
Turn rates give you strategies. It adds depth.
i dont get why people still argue about dota vs LOL.. they are both basically the same game hard copied from dota 1... LOL is juz ezer and thus more people play it while dota is harder and some people that like hard games play it... for the people that say LOL is harder than dota u guyz are actually braindead. am not even talking about dota being better than LOL they are both good games and it juz comes down to one's opinion but the fact that dota is way harder than LOL is undebatable
@@M.e.h.. More things doesnt equal harder game; they're not the same game dota is just better because it has more things in it and more depth, lol is the most basic moba its more popular cuz it has the addiction element of moba's and people want to rank up and show off their ranks; if it didnt have ranks nobody would play it also lol has sooo many other things around it that makes it more popular most important is its audience it has moreNA people who care about things around the game more look at how much more content of utube reddit and twitch league has which means more income for the game
it also comes with the upside of making the game clunky as fuck to control! that's the best part about turn rate
@@Mystic_WW It's really not that clunky
@@cheesecrackers4819 ah, pokemon unite is waving.
Only League players can shit on the game that born League... next generation intelligence
Well it is compeltely different so it obviously works that way
@@KidTrigger Stfu I'm 10k immortal hearald
@@KidTrigger i find it funny when you say "completely" different. Do u even understand what you're saying lmao
@@KidTriggerleague of legends’ “nashor” is literally dota’s roshan backwards
@@aurum6664 yes lmao you must be low elo/mmr in both games to think they are not compeltely different .
"Dota 1 was awful."
Literally copy and paste the same game
A cheap copy that devs couldn't implement turn rates, unit collisions, deny, status resistance, cast animation, attack animation and back swing.
i know right, yikes
@@superitgel1 no it was a deliberate decision, league was designed by one of dota developers
People can literally search that League devs basically stole Dota 1 community ideas and even shutdown the forums for it. Steve 'Pendragon' Mescon is scum.
@@wingiu5695 Pendragon barely even coded stuff, he was just using the engine and pasted some numbers.
that Riot dev instantly became irrelevant when he said Dota 1 is an awful game lol
I'm pretty convinced at this point it takes more brainpower to PLAY Dota than it does to CODE LoL
I hate all this Dota vs LoL shit but this was funny
@Ham and Sheesh people who played league and shitted on it while league fans can't deny shit(get it?)
@Ham and Sheesh I've never seen any league player start that debate. I'd even argue most league players aren't even aware of Dota's existence. It's always dota players trying to put down league cause they're insecure about league's popularity.
@@sharku8417 literally this video
@@PSiOO2 yeah, literally this video, they were talking about w3 and dota1 when xqc started trash talking league
MOBA or multiplayer games in general divide its gameplay in 2 things
1. Fundamentals
2. Gimmicks
Fundamentals is whatever Style you play theres a mechanic you universally use. In fighting games, its movement, attack types, footsies, grabs. In fps, its aim and movement. But that vary per game.
Gimmick is the exclusive thing you do with that Style. In fighting games, if youre a shoto, you play like a shoto, if youre a grappler, you play like a grappler. In fps, its the gun classes.
The difference in LoL and Dota is Dota has more fundamentals, than gimmicks. The gimmick of hero gives it its unique design enough to distinguish itself from other heroes. The fundamentals are so huge you can essentially play a hero anyway you want but still havea gimmick prevalent enough to give you an edge on other opponents that they have to think of a way to counter. And in turn, you think of a way to counter that counter. LoL is the opposite of that, the fundamentals of LoL is so small,and the Gimmick is so concrete. To he point where if uses fundamental counter to your gimmick, you cant change that because of the limitations of your gimmick, which is overwhelming your entire gameplay.
Let me put an example.
Dota has minimal damage type scaling with abilities. If an abilities base damage per level is 100-150-200-275, that is its damage through out the game, thats its gimmick. The enemy now have to adapt to that whether its physical or magical, and you will adapt to that with amplification or cc to get the edge. Then the enemy needs adapt to that again until one of you will lack the resource to adapt. Thats why you lose gold when you die, to set you back, cuz its easy to adapt a new strat if you dont lose income. Take a basic hero like BOUNTY HUNTER. BH gimmick is invis, crit on hit, track, and damage (q). BH has a crit every 4 sec, and has invi for initiation. He build bruiser items like deso, satanic, and bkb. He now has armor pen, lifesteal, armor, more hp and magic immunity. He is a bruiser with invi and crit. He build an ad assassin that can insta kill you the moment you see him. He can go divine, deso, e blade, dagon, and sheep stick for cc. Or he can skip the divine cuz its risky and just go mage bh cuz his q is magical. These are viable builds for BH. There is nothing wrong with these builds and you an change it anyway you want, you can buy a dagger, you buy drum, vlad or pipe for teamfight. Thats he fundamentals, and you still have a solid gimmick to play around with.
On league, we have Yasuo. Sure, runescan be a bit loose to work round. But essentially, you re getting a rune that works with his gimmick. Yasuo is not an assassin that deals immediate damage or immediate cc. He has no AP scaling (no i dont consider E), so you can only build items that give AD. So right now you have a melee ADC that has no cc set up and your dash needs minions and has a cd. He also has a double crit scale and atk spd scale that alters your build so you would have an advantage. So now your first item needs a crit and an atk speed. So not only did it remove AP items as a viable build it also removes AD items that DONT HAVE CRIT AND ATK SPD. he had a buff, where after you buy an item with atleast 40% atk spd, and reach lvl 10, you will reach a q with 1.33s. But that doesnt change that his first item is very limited. And when the enemy builds a randuin and thornmail. He cant do shit if he has no sustain. Now league heavily focuses on matchup for gimmicks instead of matchup for creativity and skill expression.
Thats why nerfs and buffs heavily effect LoL than Dota. Updates affect LoL's gimmicks to the point if their champ is viable or not. Dota force you to play differently through fundamentals, LoL forces you to play differently through gimmicks.
I respect you for writing essentially an essay. All I gotta say is that it's BASED.
The Dota vs. LoL debate can also be applied to CS vs. Valorant debate.
@@ncrtrooperscout I hate Valorant so much, honestly I just heavily dislike magic stuff on my shooter games with real guns, it just feels so wrong to me.
soy league player can't press more than 4 keys of their skill. And they don't even have other controlled units to micro
Yea and doom from dota has six slot items to press all 6 buttons with spell keys QWER and DF(ability from devoured jg creeps) and he is considered easy hero.
@@realityhits3022 dont forget neutral item lmao
@@realityhits3022 Wait until they see Chen's mechanics and Invoker 14 skills lol
Or meepo.
@@Ayahuasca98 Meepo is a joke since Dota 2's UI
It hurts to see a 'developer' shitting on a game with such destructive language, no matter what preferences you have, you can always learn from the other side.
the guy probably doesn't game until 2015 or something lol, imagine dissing WC3 and Dota1 lmao
He ain't a dev lmao, he used to work for riot but I think he didn't have anything to do with gameplay. Now he just streams
especially when it comes to LoL and Dota 2, you can rate these games how you like subjectively, but Dota is a much more solid work from a technical standpoint, it has more features and the features both games share are better implemented.
The fact that hes the dev made me proud i never played lol
Even the initials is ridiculous
What I observed in LoL is you just usually throw skillshots like a mad man during clashes. In Dota, you value the timing A LOT because a fraction of a second could mean the game. The synergy of heroes and their dynamics in Dota 2 is just WAAAAY better.
drue
I think it’s the other way around. League is more mechanical because there isn’t much depth. A fraction of a second in a team fight decides the game. But in Dota there are more mechanics. You can get away with a lot by being the smarter player and knowing how to play the map. Look at Topson for example. He understands mechanics and the game macro so well. He’s not armlet toggling and Manta dodging shit to win games, but knowing how to pressure and make space. I think OG’s entire TI winning roster was the same way. Jerax was known for his mechanical skills but the reason why he was a great 4 was because of how he dictates the pacing of the game. Same with Ana. If we take the TI8 game 5, it was his decision to buyback that turned the game around. Not some fancy remnant or sleight dodges
@@calvinchen928 No way in hell League is more mechanical than Dota. No way.
@@calvinchen928 u r correct
@@bullymaguire6773 Yes LoL requires mostly mechanical skill. In Dota you can get very high rank with just good decision making. There are guardians with much better mechanical skills than me as Divine, but I rely on decision making. In LoL decision making is less important, so the difference in mechanical skill matters. There are more mechanics in Dota than Lol, but mecahnics is the only thing in Lol thats why its important (and dogshit)
Riot developers be like
"Our developers are good because they play mario for 25 years"
They're good at stealing too, they literally just stole dota 1 ideas and community ideas at the time to make League and even shutdown the forums for it (Search Steve 'Pendragon' Mescon dota drama, you'll see plenty of videos)
@@Mathster_live dont act like icefrog aint same thing. pocket riki , reworked troll ult , nyx burrow, techies rework, meepo stacking , infesting enemy hero all taken from dota subreddit , dota imba , custom workshop games.
@@QWERTY-gp8fd Don't act like ice frog did what pendragon did. Ice frog didn't try to sabotage the existing community because he was being hired to make a new game. What Ice frog did was just a natural move since Blizzard really didn't care about custom games and the making dota 1 an official standalone game. Pendragon on the otherhand was just a slimy little weasel who broke the community's trust.
@@Mathster_live u have no idea what u talking about. icefrog stole many ideas from the community.
it is valve who is actually the mvp. not icefrog. if he was not hired then valve wouldve bought the right to dota anyway. infact without him dota would be full of originality.
@@QWERTY-gp8fdso now hearing to the community of the game you are developing is stealing ideas.
For the International 2021 there were a total of 10 unpicked and unbanned heroes. For comparison, for Worlds 2021, there were a total of 65 unpicked and unbanned champions. I do wonder which game has better design...
I remember when bulldog show the final match of lol where the meta is just playing safe in the whole game they just farm and only 1 clash happening then they just rush base
maybe bcs they dont have gold to buy the champions :v
@@byakugan641 best comment in the section
@@DooDee0608 sounds like the meta from WC3 Dota when Chinese teams dominated back then.
funny how league players are shitting on that version of Dota.
@@byakugan641 The not free to use all heroes alone shows you how bad the game is. They want to control, and make profit for anything possible.
People who've never touched Dota 2, or it's predecessor (HoN, Dota1.5) have missed out. Dota is the most mechanically sound moba to date. I wouldn't expect the average league player to even give either of the two a try because 1, HoN is shutting down, and 2, they'd sooner kill themselves because by god if they have to press more than 4 buttons or WALK back to the fountain. Absolutely braindead bonkers.
Dota 2 is simplified dota
u play dota 2 so i dont know if u have any idea what micro and macro are so idk if this explanation will make sense to u but league is far far more harder micro wise and not even close there isnt any champion like kalista in dota 2 the only champion who can come close to that difficulty is meepo because of how u have to micro manage the clones macro wise id give it to dota 2 there is much more to it macro wise than league u have to know more shit about game knowledge in dota 2 than in league this is from a person who has played dotA allstars dota 2 and league of legends
@@Patato12341 ye sure lets forget lone druid , naga siren , lycan , chen , nature prophet , arc warden and other other micro characters right?
@@Patato12341 XD dude be talking about the almost none existent micro in league. Dota has couriers which already makes the game more micro intense than league. Now you can talk about micro heavy unit heroes like meepo, brood, chen
@@sh1ro9 what the fuck are u even saying man courier litteraly takes 3 clicks holy shit
I used to love league but I realized that because of the fight aspect of league the other aspects got a lot worse over the time, like xqc said, itemization died in league, the map gets little to no change because the simplicity of the game allows a lot of abuse in the jungle traversal. I just found that dota 2 is more diverse gameplay wise THANKS TO ITS COMPLEXITY. I can win as a support by denying enemy core farm, i can win lane by pulling the lane to keep my core safe or I could also do it the good ol league way by beating my enemy with my fists.
Wait can you not pull in league?
@@beaus3881 Fuck no ! you can't deny either. You can't block creeps !
@@beaus3881 nah bruh you juz farm and fuck the entire game by winning 1 team fight.. LoL games are most of the times always one sided and comeback is almost impossible cuz the game lacks diversity, you can't do jack shit but watch your base go bye bye
@@beaus3881 Dota 2 is great for its complexity and league is popular because of its simplicity.
@@Lrripper no but doesn't matter because the only difficulty comes from how popular it is...
He doesnt like warcraft 3's dota1 but, its one of the main reasons his "favortie game" called "LOL" is created, lol is just created to surpass dota 1 and this guy is shit talking his games predecessor
Average League player
It would be like a shooter dev shit talking Quake, DOOM, Wolfenstein or Half-Life.
League's creator is Dota's original creator. Dota 2 is made not by the original creator of dota icefrog took over when guinsoo went to riot to make league also whatever icefrog touches made Dota worse look Dota 2 for example. Dota 1 is the best version of dota/ Dota 2 before 6.84
@@SNSTR well doesnt change the fact dota is the first game...means no dota no LOL
@@SNSTR ??? Dota 2 is arguably the most balanced competitive team game ever created lol. In terms of competitive balance and diversity, league can't even come close to Dota. Icefrog perfected dota with dota 2.
"Turn rate is an awful design" bruh, at least it makes sense that our heroes actually take time to turn around and not completely 360 without completely breaking their backs lol
Even the mobile moba game Mobile Legends has turnrate
Havent heard of that mobile game lol
@@albinopancitcanton273 ? Nice joke
@@mez8289 yes there’s turnrates in mobile legends and yes, we flank a lot in mobile legends
@@uranusaquarius7394 mobile legends a copy of lol have turnrate using joystick, you making me laugh lmao
I remembered when Elon Musk himself made a super intelligent, self learning AI to try to master Dota2 and beat its pro players while the LOL channel itself tried begging in the comments section to make one for their game and got absolutely destroyed in the comments section they deleted their comments hours after.
Elon wanted a harder and more indept complex game for the OpenAI to master. Thats why he chose dota2 and that was pretty much the answer to riot and their playerbase
@@jajjjamensan some people would rather spend time learning mechanics of certain champions in league rather than learning the mechanics of the game in general in dota because in the end games are for entertainment and everyone enjoys learning different forms of mechanics, whether that is learning memorable champions or having to learn the general mechanics of a game before you can even focus on mastering a hero/champion
@@MixZup you can play ever Hero in Dota as all roles. Depending on what items you get and playstyle. Every Hero in Dota has more options than in Lol. People choose lol over Dota because its simpler and easier to get decent at. Dota players tend to need more knowledge of the game until you get decent at it.
@@MixZup the only one thing you are right is LOL more enjoyable in general, I mean I only need half brain to play UNO card and I enjoy it, while in dota I must focus on the game 100%
@@sin3701 ikr?? Imagine trying so hard and u lose because some asshole snap in ur team and trolled...its frustrating but it doesnt make it a bad game
We understand you, xQc, defending the real masterpiece in mere humans’ knowledge and mind often not easy. We highly respect you for that, comrade.
Jesus, the Ego of this League players just can't accept facts.
the can’t accept the fact as if they’re denying that they breathe oxygen
Worse than even the sea players I play with in Dota
to be fair as a dota player and fan who's never played league i notice in a lot of these debates there's people on both sides who are extremely egotistical about the game they play and insulting to the other game and people who play it. yes, league is simpler version of dota, it has less mechanics and is easier to get into. while dota is more complex and strategy plays a larger role. they're just different. you could make an alternative to dota 2 that has a 10x the mechanics and 10x the heroes to learn, that wouldn't make it a better game by default. i don't get why people are so tribalistic about whatever version of a wc3 mod they decide to play. both are good games that people enjoy playing or they wouldn't be successful, it's just preference. there's versions of chess with bigger boards and extra pieces. more complexity doesn't equal better or worse by itself.
@@gaysfortrump2024 the thing is. Dota 1 existed before lol. dota 1 is 10x more harder than lol. lol is as u said simple version of dota 1. ice frog has friends who works with warcraft 3 mod that also developed hon and lol. now valve(gaben) bought dota 1 from icefrog and made dota 2 that launched on steam. Just to correct you, dota 2 is not hard version of lol. dota is the original game made from warcraft blizzard. lol can cry all they want but they can never be dota. respect dota players and those who played on the golden era of warcraft because that's your predecessors. kindly show some humility before you tt someone
@@MusicLife2030 ok thanks for proving my point i guess?
I have around 2k hours on Dota 2 and just two months ago i started playing league just to try it out and what not and honestly i had so much more fun on Dota 2. I must say league is way easier of a game but i didn't realise how toxic league players are holy every game theres multiple people inting and flaming eachother actually insane. Just yesterday i was playing norms, YES NOT EVEN RANKED, and the enemy adc was perma typing in all chat stuff like "trash kill yourself", "your garbage actually uninstall." Clearly that guy didn't have a fun new years. I never experienced that in all-pick unranked in Dota 2 and if i did it was very mild and most of the times just kinda funny.
Sure, people will also flame and int in Dota but i just feel im general that game has a slightly better community around it. One thing i hate is how league players treat new players it actually pisses me off how much superiority complexes these people have when you are trash talking level 1 players in norms.
Shortly, one thing i absolutely can't stand in league is that whenever you get an afk you will basically never be able to win that match, but in Dota 2 you get compensated with the extra gold if they abandon which still makes it possible to 4v5.
Dont think even if league gave u extra gold u were gonna 4v5 against good players. Thats a whole player.
@@primecelron6764I have won many games in Dota 2 when a whole team mate down and even when against good players. The ability to 4v5 and still win is not impossible in Dota 2 because they have systems in place that let you hold on and even maintain winning advantages. But since league has never done these things it is still pretty much impossible to win a 4v5 in league which leaves the only option when someone leaves or afks is to /ff as soon as possible which i thinks sucks and is a big problem. Honestly it really destroys my mental and makes me int in my future games and i hope Riot tries something to fix it.
Dota is harder strategically, League is harder mechanically(in terms of targetting abilities).
just fact. Dota it's harder than league. And league is funnier than Dota (better if you play with friends).
@@SNSTR even CSing in Dota is harder than most league skills, get the fuck out omao
I quit DotA 2 years ago because it was the most toxic, shit-infested game I have ever played, and I have been gaming for 25+ years. I haven't even considered getting good at an online multiplayer game because of DotA. I exclusively play single player games now.
Even *I* know that League is fucking garbage compared to DotA. This Riot dev is cringe.
skill issue
Talentless
noob
I was that toxic guy
have you tried r6? I have 1,5k hours in dota 2 and can attest that r6 is more toxic. I got more shit spewed at me for 100 h in r6 than 1,5k h in dota
Just mute scumbags and play with a friend or 2
that dude just proved he never even played Dota to have an informed opinion
Mfer keep going on custom game while the only custom game in lol is 5v5 summoner rift ICANT
Dota 2 has few players because it takes longer to finish, has a higher skill requirements and most heroes aren't humanoid which generally won't appeal to kids.
LoL also has great cinematic trailers which attracts more people into their games and Dota doesn't make any effort to advertise the game.
They never advertise the game
@@gazmchurcty7485 yeah, steam really isnt known for their good marketing towards the games they made.
@@LeHarmacist it's not really about Steam, Valve just barely advertise Dota 2 so that is
>Be a dota dev
>Making heroes
>Horse walks in
a lot of Dota 2 new characters have been humanoid now, it is the selling point that Valve doesn't want to miss out lol
This kid dev forgot ,Once their main dev said League is simple version of dota :) i respect League but telling dota is trash is nonsense
-> Uses popularity to say league is better
-> Is unaware that Dota has a larger esports scene
because Dota has good balance of heroes. So it can be interesting esport.
You can't say that about LoL. I have stopped playing it, because their balance is trash.
@@Deny399 surely zeri wont have a 90% presence in pro play and practically steamroll in every game she has been picked in. Surely im also not a zeri main
->dota has a larger esports scene. lol
Wait how does Dota have a larger esports scene?
just imagine: LOL is like pre-algebra in math and DOTA is thr calculus.
LoL is starting to count, DOTA is multiplying and grand strategy games are calculus, respectfully
Sometimes i dont like how xqc is so vocal but knowing his gaming instinct he really nails the dota league debate. People kept defending league but lets be honest, league is for kids and adults defending who defends it against Dota are just not using their brains. I mean I play league and Dota 2 and i pray tell you Dota is so freaking difficult in comparison to league.
lower player base lower diff same with every sport in the world if more ppl play it it will improve faster and it will become more diff
Doesnt meam its better i agree its more difficult but prefer league
@@primecelron6764 i agree.. but that statement could work both ways.. Just because Dota is more complex and requires high skill cap doesn't make it better.. Just because league is more fast paced doesn't make it better.. Just because league is more popular doesn't mean it's better.. and etc.
My point is that both games are amazing, no need to compare (ik you weren't comparing.. just had to say that ig)
@@kuromika_ yeah i honestly prefer dota 2 as well. The amount of things to do is just a headache, but it's what makes it a great game.. The complexity is what gives it flavor..
league far harder micro wise dota 2 far harder macro wise
I've played both games with equal total hours. Dota takes the cake for its complexity, itemization, importance of timing and teamwork unlike LoL which feels a bit lacking. You just throw your skills like a madman on a single enemy and it doesnt matter how your team is doing in a teamfight as long as you hit all of your skills on a single enemy securing a kill, others are just collateral lol. Cant feel the teamwork in LoL + the map is so boring since it had little to no adjustments over the years unlike Dota which do have map changes every few updates for new strategic points. Item builds arent flexible and are locked within your champion's main role unlike Dota where you can build everything as long as you and your team needs it. Fucking based xqc im following now. Riot dev got L + ratio'd
"You just throw your skills like a madman on a single enemy and it doesn't matter how your team is doing in a team fight as long as you hit all of your skills on a single enemy securing a kill". That's not completely true, the team fighting is exactly like dota where you hyperfocus the people that do damage and prevent them from having an impact. Teamfighting in both games is almost identical; it's just that there are so many factors to consider in dota since you have items like BKB, Blink Dagger, Refresher orb, etc.. You are right that DotA offers a shit ton more strategy. Deviations of builds in DotA are more diverse than LoL, but that doesn't mean you can't divert your build in League; e.g. mixing ratios of armor and damage on both physical and magical damage; e.g. ADC building tank/MR items on ADCS, building AD or magic damage on champs like shaco, zeri,.. It's unfair to just say that there is no diversity in builds or there are no direct effects on teamfight outcomes when it comes to strategy. After all, it's all personal preference and what you like. I've clocked nearly 3k hours on league and have recently started playing Dota. In my personal opinion, I think that DotA is the better MOBA due to it's sheer complexity and mechanic superiority; but that's also the reason why the game is not growing/ growing extremely slowly. They are both their own things and are objectively equally good.
@@friskr2508 Yeah LoL also offers build flexibility but its limited and there just arent much active items in the game. Also CC in LoL just doesnt feel the same since you cant keep enemies in one place for too long which means no changing tides in a spur of the moment and making a comeback is harder unlike in Dota where if you perfectly land your CC AoE skills (ex. Enigma's black hole) a chance of comeback is higher. Dota is more about strategies which means exerting more braincells and LoL is more of an FPS game which require sweat and faster response due to the fact that every milisecond is important in LoL and it has many single target champions. Dont get me wrong i love both games and i always play them with equal hours in a day. However i just feel like LoL is lacking. Not that it makes any difference to me it drains my sanity each day
@@friskr2508 "You just hyper focus the guys that does the most damage"
That's literally the exact opposite of what a standard Dota fight looks like. If you start a fight in Dota without killing a Dazzle or Winter Wyvern (supports), you're fucked. Carries are often the tankiest heroes in Dota unlike LOL and you need to target them last unless they're alone.
@@friskr2508 And you can't talk about "oh I'm going to build slightly more armor" as if that's the same as Topson buying this never before seen Gyrocopter Diffusal Blade and burning all of Bristleback's mana like a genius. Or that time rtz delayed the delivery of his mkb until after the enemy carry finished buying their butterfly.
LoL is hot garbage.
my god u must be low rank in league if this is ur take, but i agree with a lot of what u said.
The complex mechanics was what made Dota into what it is today. League players can't accept that Dota is simply harder for some reason
Everyone understands that dota is more complicated and harder. It's dota players that can't accept it doesn't mean it's more fun to play.
@@sharku8417 OFC its more fun to play bro, you know why?
there are 3 different difficulties when choosing hero's in dota2
the hardest ones are only 10-12 hero's at most.
one of them is invoker ( which can be the hardest hero if not on top 3 )
he has 14 skills and you can have up to 3 usable items on that hero which makes it 17 abilities
the fun part about it is that you can make several different combos with them and sometimes even if you mess up one spell it can fuck the whole fight.
its not 'harder' to play this hero, its just more challenging to make yourself learn and have the dare to play it in ranked as a invoker player
if you're grandmaster tier ( meaning more than 1k games with a hero ) with 3 star difficulty hero's like invoker, people are gonna respect you because you had the IQ and power to actually play the hero :)
@@mehrsinaesmaili1903 if it was more fun to play then it'd have more players than league
@@sharku8417 If people took the time to get into dota they'd have more fun with that.
Don't tell him who meepo is
Good to see buddha is an og, not to say league is not difficult but to say dota 2 is not more in depth is a crime itself
You can't type "dota" in LoL in game but if you type "lol" in Dota2 your hero just laughs
perhaps because lol also means laugh out loud
classic
nice joke
Wait, you actually cant type dota in lol?
@@filip6127 you must've been in the top of your fucking class huh
9 year league veteran shitter here, ima have to agree with everyone saying Dota is better.
I used to be a straight shitter at league I was Tyler1’ng nonstop every game I got like 9 accounts banned I’m on my final and last account on my last ban until perma, and when I got 14 day banned I said fuck it let’s try some Dota 2, best fucking experience I’ve had from an MOBA besides Epics PARAGON, everything about that game is just better, I can’t even get into detail because I’d be here for a while, just know that from playing league for 9 years if this account ever gets banned or I’m done with the state of this shit ass game which I might be soon, I’m turning to DOTA and every league shitter should too.
Your dad might actually love you if you switch you windshitters.
Don't forget that imbalance damage output riot seems to ignore
U know ur getting bam because ur doing something wrong right?.
@@randomrealistictone2231 if all champs are op none is
@@primecelron6764 that’s not how it works, before, yes of course I’d be talking hell shit, but the only bans on my new account have been cause of 1v4 discord shitters reporting me and the system just does it.
@@Bloodthorn48 dota has a similar automated system, you wont get banned from playing but if your chain reported youll get low priority matches and possibly temp muted (even if you never even typed in the chat), according to volvo im the top 1% of most reported players for "cheating" yet im trash 2k mmr for 2k+ hrs and get muted constantly even though ive typed in chat like 5 times in my 2000 hours
Every hero in league of legends is the same 3-4 button combo with a dash added somewhere in there.
Dota is like chess its more complex making it more fun and competitive, league is like checkers not really that complex.
if you define complexity for dota and chess in the same way then it's plain wrong.
this made me respect XQC more because he is not that typical "yes" man. he say what he thinks is right and wrong.
In games, yes. But in other things like his argument with tate, no.
Altho he grew balls at least.
4:04 omg Island Defense and Footman Frenzy were absolutely top tier, someone please make modern remakes of those too
Did lol player really complain for having pressable item? are they only going to play with mouse and qwer? now imagine playing meepo or invoker, they would go crazy auto uninstall 🤣
Arc warden also
@@keheheheclipz In fact, arc warden isnt just more buttons, but playing 2 different hero in 2 environments
i quit dota 2 and moba in general, tried league once, dont really like the artstyle and heroes skill are just DMG DMG DMG. but alot of my friends ex dota player are now hooked to league because "it's less stressful to play league than dota, playing dota after day work is just going to fried your brain, league is to relax"
seems like your playing in the sea server which is not surprising
Complex games are for real men,
easy games are for children,
that's about it. You dont add complexity on games that's being played mostly by kids cause they'll call it a trash game since they wont be able to understand it.
That's what xqc is trying to say when he mentioned "turn rate". Both are good games but i personally pick Dota 2 because complexity brings challenge and challenge brings excitement.
Are u saying league isnt complex. Like if u are thats pretty stupid thing to say. There are 140+ champs that do something completly different yes dota 2 is more complex because it has more mechanics but it doesnt mean league isnt complex. Ur on drugs if u think that.
@@primecelron6764 The fact that you already said dota2 is more complex is enough to say that "lol" is less complex. I apologize for saying "easy" i meant to say easier. I didnt meant to hurt any feelings as well.
"real men"
Real men play minesweeper on windows XP
some people would rather spend time learning mechanics of certain champions in league rather than learning the mechanics of the game in general in dota because in the end games are for entertainment and everyone enjoys different mechanics, also league has a larger and more memorable champion pool
"DoTA 1 was awful"
>his game literally would not exist without DoTA
XQC is also right about turn rate, which is why melee carries are actually viable in dota and not in league as in LOL you can infinite kite forever with 0 point turn rate
Dota is my wife, League is my mistress.
"Turn rate is awful design" has he played any other mobas ever? Its not just dota. Also play what you like. Don't like league? Don't play it.. Don't like Dota? Don't play it.. Simple.
It's a dumb mechanic
has he played rts ?????????????????? litteraly no rts ever has it warcraft 3 doesnt have it starcraft brood war doesnt have it starcraft 2 doesnt have it
have u ever played any rts ?????
@@Patato12341 Warcraft 3 has turn rates. It's literally the original game made out of dota
@@Patato12341 You're League's most prominent defender im every comments section so far and you fit exactly the game you're defending.
@@electro_yellow9295 instant turning makes more sense isn't it?
i love you xqc
xQc is cool
Honestly I think it's a double edge sword both for dota and for lol. LoL is pretty simplistic and has a mobile version, so riot has way more potential new players. Dota on the other hand has a lot of mechanics that make the game interesting and challenging but for a new players it can be very complicated, so I guess to each their own.
it is a double edge sword. i played both but i had more knowledge and sense because i played dota first. playing league felt such a breeze and i only played support. very easy role to play unlike dota, which is doing what you're doing on LoL but as well as pulling, warding, blocking, stacking camps, rotating mid for gank, etc. Like, in league all you have to do is babysit your ADC and make sure you just trade in bot lane. But for dota, yeah it doesn't give much info to new players even when they had changed their tutorials multiple times and even had a community funded tutorial created. Once you start understanding dota, you'll start to see the beauty of its complexity.
TLDR; i've played both games, just from my perspective, dota is harder. to each their own anyway because it's your life and play whatever you want. also both have pros and cons
Yeah comparing games like that is just stupid. You can argue that lol is much more simple to get into and has better design in general, so it is better for wider audience, while dota 2 has much more mechanics and depth, so it is better for actual tryhards, for example the aforementioned active items, it adds so much to the game. Because of that complexity and the unwelcome community, dota barelly gets new players at all, in fact, it is common in the community for people who are completely burnt out to retire into lol. If valve doesn't do some miracle, dota will wither and die. I know some ppl play dota casually, and some actually tryhard in lol, but those are outliers, even though there are more of them than it seems at first.
Hot take, but lol community is prob better than dota2. I know it's pretty bad, but it is different bad. In dota some people talk shit like it's a sport. Mom jokes never left dota voice chat. Racism, nationalism, all that good stuff. They will find a reason to shame you, whatever it is. And don't you dare be a WOMAN, oh boy. Imagine csgo vice chat but everyone is either a tryhard or straight up an asshole that opens up the game to ruin mood for the 4 poor shits that happen to be in their team.
@@PSiOO2 skill issue
This is the most wild argument I've ever seen. You got xqc, a Riot dev, sodapoppin, Sykkuno and then out of no where ironmouse is in the call aswell.
"People think because something makes the game harder it takes more skill" Umm that's exactly what makes something take more skill; how difficult it is......
yeahh, it's like saying souls game is bad because you have to "git gud" in order to play it properly. the fuck is wrong with this developer lmaooo
The guy had 0 banters left.
just imagine fighting game with only 2 button vs 4 button, its making it more complicated but also more fun. that riot dev is just so bias lol.
Yup. Imagine mastering tic tac toe and think you are as good as a chess player 😆
Honestly one of the best opions xqc has ever had, you can fully understand league by playing it for week and then it would all come down to playing with the current meta whilst dota is such a more complex game with more complex mechanics in warding, teamfighting, items etc
The only game that made me pull my pen and take notes on the guides coz too much to watch out for even the little things you need to know I play both league and dota though dota I don't play that much due to friends playing more league now that I wanna seriously rank up in dota there are so much to watch out
in dota 2 you can make any hero work in league you have to play the most recent champs or meta champs else you lose
Turn rate is an essential part of hero balance but of course some people can't see that and just think its "bad annoying" mechanic lol
Riot literally hired guinsoo lol
Yeah but icefrog
He stopped
and Pendragon, who sold Dota homepage to riot
Turnrate is bad design? I guess he hate GTA, sportsgames, racing games and like 70% of mainstream gametitles.
I can t believe that dev brought the popularity argument 😂😂😂 .
Riot devs embrassing himself.
yes sir my streamer xqc i like how xqc acknowledge dota 2 makes me smile
Which game is better? Is subject to personal opinion. Which game is harder? Dota 2 is definitely harder. You can see base on number of current players, Leage has way much players than Dota 2, just like there are way much farmers than theoretical physicist.
And just like there are more normal people than basement dwellers.
@@sharku8417 True, then again my point still stands. Complexity tends to have less audience.
Well said sir
That's why i love watching dota cz the mechanic is complicated. While lol is more fun to play cz its simple and fast
The funny thing is if I quote a riot dev in lol I. Get chat banned ‘your mad and your bad’
i like to think league as a kindergarden, everyone can enter and do stuff, and dota as a college, where a few are able to enter and from those few, even fewer are able to graduate.
Riot dev defending league when the main meme for riot devs are the 200 years of spaghetti code lmaoo
He saying like Mcdonalds have more customer than Gordon Ramsay's restuarant therefore mcdonald's food is better.
Lol'd at the backflip analogy. The proper analogy is imagine if Steph Curry doesn't need to turn and just shoot a fucking three while coming off pick while being sideways or facing backward - without affecting his form. Shits 2 ez.
Know all those WC3 mods they were talking about? Yeah, you can play them in the Dota arcade.
We have come full circle.
Literally half of WC3 mods are reincarnated in DotA 2. ROFL
As a dota 2 player my respect for xqc has increased
Man I missed my dota account I want to play dota again.
"ahh just stop talking man you work for riot games" is such an amazing argument closer
People tend to choose easier games and i understand
Pendragon literally advertise it as dumb down dotA to be easier for the players or let's rephrase it, he made league as idiot proof so stupid people can play it.
so they could also market it better
mf remind how many years ago was that? and now let's compare the game now and then
as a warcraft 3, dota 1 and dota 2 player i love xqc
"Turn rate is pointless" There's literally a hero called Riki that his entire fucking kit is based on stabbing from behind. If there was no turn rate, then all you'd have to do is to click him so your character always faces him and he can't get a single backstab. Hell that is if he even existed if there was no turn rate.
I've played both and I can tell you that Dota 2 is more complex which makes it harder for people to get in. League is easier to get into but definitely is a faster pace game and requires faster reflexes. I have like 1000+ hours into Dota and 100-200hrs on League.
Dota also need fast reflexes too wtf are you talking about, there are lot of stuff which require fast reflexes like blink dodge, manta dodge, activating lotus orb/AM counterspell skill to bait and reflecting enemy's skill, and another ton of stuff.
@@Test-mq8ih In terms of how fast the reflexes are though, watch the Faker Zed vs Zed that happened years ago, you need insane reaction times in order to play at the very best, especially against champs with such fast abilities.
Dota has this complexity, you can't use the same build and the same strategy, it would be have different result, you need to adapt to allies or adapt to enemy, in LOL somehow you can make from bronze to gold with 5 heroes with same build in different patch
diffu gyro, carry io letsgo!!!!!!!!
That really depends though, mainly for tanks I would say, as building full armour against a team full of AP isn't really the best idea, not to mention that a lot of items are situational, like all of the grievious wound items.
Only gold?
this dude just compared turn rate in an RTS game to doing a backflip before scoring in basketball.
A friendly reminder that turn rate is an intetactive mechanic.
Look at batrider
I play both games and I hate it to the core because I play like I'm getting payed for it even tho It's not but let's be honest here people who plays both of the game knows that Dota is much harder compared to League like I'm in divine and it didn't take me more than a month to reach Grandmaster in League but yes, harder doesn't mean it's better everytime coz people prefer games that are easier so League attracts more people but if the argument is about which one is harder Dota takes the cake here and you can't say no unless you're a soyboy who never played anything besides from League and you should probably commit despawn too coz your argument is irrelevant if you're trying to argue which one is harder lul.
The cap. Lmao
agreed.. I play both too, dota has a shit ton more things to learn.. and it even took me two years to even know wtf was going on with everything.. For LoL, it isn't easy ofc, but it's for sure easier than dota, which isn't really a bad thing..
lmao imagine paying 10$ to change your in-game name on a free game *YIKES*
Best clip ever
Turn rate argument and basketball analogy were so fucking stupid... if you wanted to compare turn rate to basketball, dota turn rate is like you having to actually throw the ball with momentum for it to fly, while in league you just put your hands up and the ball launches itself
Just imagine basketball without turn rates lul
played league in 2016 and manage to get diamond half a year and quit in 2020 because of same old mechanics and item builds for every role and stupid meta. but for dota2 been playing that game in 2017 but quit later that year because of complexity, but now 2021 I've reinstall the game again and manage to get crusader for almost year and stilI to this day I'm struggling to understand the some heroes and maps but it's fun once you get used to the challenges.
feel you man. im crusader too after 4 years not playing it.
I'm also 23 and I feel like a boomer when I talk about warcraft 3...
Dude, when I mentioned warcraft, kids are like, yes, WoW... and I'm like, do you know that there's something before WoW? They're like nope...
@@JackyCGuitarStrings their eyes glaze over when I tell them the campaign is still worth playing today. I understand your pain.
@@JackyCGuitarStrings its because WoW was extremely popular it was like the Fortnite of 2000s or even Pokemon Go level of hype. Its literally what saved PC gaming
if you dont aim and just press B and the ball goes to the basket/net instantly, is it fun ,tho? no unnecessary mechanic such as aiming and power control
The basket ball analogy doesnt make sense. It like saying why do they have to dribble the ball. Same with stamina bar in every dark souls game, it forces you to think every attack and make sure you have enough for dodging or blocking adding depth to the gameplay. With out it you just hack and slash without any strategy. Its not just for the sake of being difficult.
respect to xqc
all i'm gonna say is i like dota's positions vs League's roles. the flexibility of heroes is more enjoyable than that of champion going to the same lane every single game.
"before you shoot the ball you have to do a backflip" how about turning to the ring to shoot the ball
I love how people who didn't care about the debate were trying to just play the game and then the moba sweats were just ignoring them.
Blaus talks a lot of shit on DotA, but if it wasn’t for DotA he wouldn’t be where he is today. If Eul never made the DotA map Riot would have never existed, Blaus would have never worked there and met the OTV people and started his streaming career, who knows what he would be doing but I can guarantee him it wouldn’t have been as fun. Crazy to think some dude got bored and decided to make a map in a video game he plays one afternoon and he inadvertently spawned the creation of a ~$30b company and changed countless of lives.
I like dota and csgo more, but no doubt after playing valorant I know why people like league of legends, it doesnt matter which game is more complex at the end of the day as long as you can have fun with your friends. Riot deserves credit for making fun games that don't feel as serious.
dota 2 is a fun game, dota 2 have arcade game mode
everygame is fun with friends, but as time goes by, friends depart, people start getting their life on the way, friends start having family and you realized you are playing alone. Day by day you realize that it's no longer worth it to play the game that does the same thing every single time. Games that are fast and that requires less thinking and strategy tends to become boring in the long run, that is why most dota 2 players are 20 and above, because they easily get bored and what they want more now is the challenge of using their brain again, not just for fun. Gamers really don't get older, they just get sadder.
who is the better dancer the jabbawockeez or that kid with a backpack thats just sways his arms?
Why do people argue about their tastes? This question is so subjective, it's like saying banana is better then orage.
Ego fighting?
No, certain things are quantifiable
As someone who played I must say both are decent. League is preferable for casual players. Dota 2 however has a lot more skillgap.
So sad they brainwashed this dude, it's actually crazy
4:02 they added complexity back in later lol
Nothing is necessar y
Honestly, they even have too much "runes" to be complex lmao
Aww yesss. My favorite hero in dota, techies