The Starfield Arch Linux Failure
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
- 08-31 Livestream Timestamps:
00:00:00 - Starfield on Linux
00:01:18 - Installing Steam
00:06:48 - Checking compatibility
00:08:49 - ProtonupQT
00:18:11 - Steam Crashes
00:40:34 - Disk Read Error
00:42:39 - Replacing SSDs with nvme
01:01:05 - Installing Arch AGAIN!
01:31:32 - Attempting Starfield on a Fresh Arch Install
02:16:10 - Wayland Synergy .
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The corruption ended up being bad memory and was addressed in this stream: czcams.com/video/JRy2V9bJqqE/video.html
Funny thing is it worked in Windows, but not Linux with memory. However, after fixing this, the game verification process ended up taking about 30 seconds lol. Just wanted to update everyone.
Dude, I had the same issue with proton up-qt, i could not get it to grab new GE versions...but watching you grab flat seal and enabling the home folder instantly fixed it. Thanks man. I am learning so much. Gaming on Linux is moving fast, and every few months new things to try and new games that get working. Cant wait for you updated gaming guide. The current one is definitely helpful but also very dated as you even pointed out in your stream a few weeks back.
You ruled out the hard drive. That leaves the memory. Replace the RAM and you should be good to go.
cpu?
RAM does make sense where steam kept closing on him.
This is easy to check with memtest86 run or two
This makes the most sense to me. I'm also using a XMP Profile that might be causing some corruption as well with these large files. Appreciate the comment. I'm going to have this explore this avenue.
@@TitusTechTalkDefinitely. I’ve had an unstable stock XMP profile running at 1.35v that would fail to decrypt my LUKS drive. Bumped it to 1.375v and zero issues for years after.
hey titus can I get a link for the wallpapers???
Hi Chris, I've been enjoying your videos for a little while now, and each time you switch the screen to that blue-ish 3D city scape-like animated scene, I was wondering what that is exactly? If it's a screen saver, I would love to know what it is, it's very cool! Thanks in advance!
Been having a lot of fun on Nobara, but the more I watch you tinker on your Arch box really makes me want to tinker more to learn Arch.
Thanks Chris for helping me go to linux and the help and pointers when it comes to tinkering around. Really makes linux* learning a lot of fun
I recently tried jumping from Debian to Arch and it is just not worth all of that work just to have to deal with all of the bullshit that comes along with it, not for me. I recently just learned how to add two ppa's to Linux Mint to install mainline kernels and updated mesa drivers and I played Starfield all weekend long with no issues. Wish I would have learned these options a long time ago when I had issues with an old kernel and/or driver on Mint because it would have totally stopped me from distro hopping. Oh well, I know now.
What does adding two ppa's mean? I might have missed him talking about it in the video
@@sethlin01 Sometimes a distro has too old of graphics drivers and/or kernel to allow some games to run correctly. You can add PPA to get newer drivers and kernel. Instead of distro hoping to something like Arch, just to get these newer components.
Given your background and knowledge I'd love to see you going in on the custom ini files. Specifically the customizations for making sensitivity feel relative to games like Apex or Overwatch. They have some weird xy scaling where horizontal is more then vertical making the shooting feel bad. Alot of people who play Fallout 76 have been using the ini customizations in Starfield. It's just a mess and hard to understand what each thing is doing and I know your the guy to figure it out.
I love modifying games. Have a deep understanding in modding and even hex editing in some instances.
Starfield is going to be a modders paradise and I can't wait to see it's future.
What do you think about G-Technology drives/RAID with Thunderbolt 3 and Rugged NVMe SSD Pro with Thunderbolt 3 from LaCie?
1:27:50 you mentioned about supporting 4K and that really piqued my attention. I just bought a new TCL tv. Supposedly 4K 120 HZ. Indeed, 1080p runs at 120 hertz no problem but as soon as I set the resolution to 4k, it immediately drops to 30 Hertz maximum. I can't find a whole lot of information about this particular TV online, whether it's marketing and 120 hertz is only supported at 1080P and they just don't tell you, or if it's a Linux issue. Is there a way to Force higher refresh rates in Linux? I'm running Zorin OS (Ubuntu/Debian based) with gde. Fairly new to Linux which is why I'm running a build instead of straight up Debian.
Xorg is also one of my running processes, I'm thinking some of the window transparencies that I've enabled are probably the reason for that.
To be clear, I am running an RX 480 graphics card. It does support 4K 60hz so even though I can't get the full 120, I still don't understand why it's only allowing me to go as high as 30 hertz.
can you share some of the wallpapers?
Hey, what's the font you're using here visible at 23:03? Thanks!
For me, this is the sad truth -- Linux gaming will always be behind at best. What I guess I missed somewhere was Chris using moonlight to a Winders box for gaming...did he stop using that? That's my dream, if performant.
Chris can you provide the wallpaper collection?
I recently had my RAM fail that caused a TON of really really odd issues under Linux and I even tested it on windows on an external drive.
As much as I love Linux, I just ran into too many issues whether it be performance, or just weird artifacts and crashes if I wanted to use Linux as my only gaming platform. That as well as there are just some games that will not run under Linux what-so-ever.. As great as Proton DB is, I think a lot of it is users getting it to work at first but not verifying if it works throughout the game. We can't tell if they were able to play a game completely through with little to no glitches/crashes at all other than how much time they spent on it. Most are an hour or less, or just a few hours.
I can say that I was able to play Resident Evil Village completely through on Linux though with some minor graphical glitches.
I will say, trying to get some games to run on Linux makes me feel like when we were all on DOS and had to create multi-configs to make a game run. Remember all the himem.sys and config.,sys tweaking? Multi-config booting was a godsend back in those days. :)
In any case, I will constantly be trying out Linux to see if it will work, but I can't make it my daily driver unfortunately right now. But I do use it for development training as I mainly do Java and C# Web development. I can't use it at work because work has us stuck on Windows and doesn't really give us Linux workstations. My choice is either Windows or MacOS.
Been running Linux for decades now and I use it exclusively for gaming and everything else computer wise. Pretty happy so far and I'm actually getting better performance with dxvk for the vast majority of my library when compared to the vanilla Windows client (lots of directx9 games run twice as fast with dxvk than they would under Windows).
As much as it makes Chris cringe, you should use a gaming distro on a newer kernel like Garuda that will have everything you need out of the gate. I have zero problems playing games, and I'd say its been stable for a couple of years now thanks to valve, proton and wine. The only games you can't play are the ones developers block you from playing on Linux with anticheat. Not a linux issue.
@@dullahangaming5107 Garuda is what I use. But it's still just too flakey for some things to be a daily driver for gaming unfortunately. But I keep checking.
Can I actually play starfield on arch now with good performance without downgrading yet?
Im also on arch. I cant get the game to boot because it says my graphics card does nit meet minimum requirements. I have a 7900xtx... i found out that theres an file with a list of supported gpus and theres probably an issue reading my gpu name through the compatibility layer.
Should probably run btrfs or ZFS with that disk corruption, it'll give you a much clearer indications as to what's going on and whether you drive is failing. They're slower filesystems, but they do all the checksumming to tell you early when your data is corrupted. You've probably been having silent data corruption piling up for a while.
That install was with btrfs. i saw a section in the video - installing arch - where he uses btrfs commands. The corruption was probably (uneducated guess) because of btrfs together with steam. some incompatibility shit.
I know it sounds weird but, if I update my Windows partition, the permissions get written over on my Linux drive, this makes it impossible even to download anything in linux as files are locked to windows, open your own file browser and you should see padlocks on your filess, the issue you are getting is a side effect of this. I have to go back into windows and enable fast boot. run some commands in cmd to restore fast boot, once back into windows it is all restored to normal.
I get this issue if I update my Windows drive, then I need to go back in windows and turn off fast boot, it's some how over write the permissions of some important folders in linux and currupt your usage. Once fast boot is turned off everything is back to normal.
bg3 actually runs great on linux with mid range laptop hardware!
Oddly enough, i've never had issues with NVIDIA on linux either, i just put the proprietary drivers, dkms, and set the drm mode in the kernel. I have however had issues on my AMD card on my desktop back in my openSuse days.
as a windows user this made me realize how linux users suffer
We're masochists, we enjoy every second of it
@@memesfromtheforsakenworlwi9218 couldn't have said it better lmao
Guess you never ran WfWG 3.11.
And I don't wanna suffer from Linux...
Linux is a cult whenever you bring it up you always been attacked
I had the same issue with Steam corrupting my installs a little while ago, only on my secondary SATA SDD drive, but my primary NVME drive was fine.
First, I thought I broke something on my Arch installation getting wireless VR working, so I just did a fresh installation. Still was still was having corrupted steam installations ONLY on my secondary drive; Then I thought it was drive failure on the secondary drive, completely wiped and made a new ext4 filesystem, still having corrupt installations just on that drive.
From there I had to make sure it wasn't just steam being weird, copied 200 GBs of media on the secondary drive, all copied fine and run with no issues; I've run a couple of fsck's from a live USB on my drives over the last couple days and everything comes up clean. I have to assume it's steam being strange at this point.
EDIT: After further testing it is definitely a stick of failing ram I had, after removing the problematic hardware the issue has been fixed.
Starfield has some weird issues. Elden Ring, Stray day 1 worked great. SF can’t remap controller buttons in game and on an Xbox controller start and select are reversed. And for whatever reason it doesn’t work with Streamdeck for inputs but Cyberpunk does. Using Manjaro for the next few hours till my next distro hop. 😂
116.4 GB GAME, why so big!?
36:43 is your ssd broken?
That install was with btrfs. i saw a section in the video - installing arch - where he uses btrfs commands. The corruption was probably (uneducated guess) because of btrfs together with steam. some incompatibility shit.
@@methos1024userspace program with no root privileges shouldn't be able to corrupt filesystem, right?
should not .. but Bugs .. you know..
But they might have fixed the Problems that existed. I switched back to ext4 and use everywhere ext4 because of Problems with steam+btrfs. But yes it was some time ago where i last used btrfs.
@@RandomGeometryDashStuff
Hey Titus, what do you think of a future release of Windows having AI baked into the OS ? Sounds scary to me ! I will stick to Linux (POP-OS) - Arch is too heavy for me !
Very scary stuff, but we will have to wait and see what happens and what we can remove to make it usable.
@@TitusTechTalk - Sometimes you have to give up on flogging a dead horse. I gave up on Windows completely as a home user when I tested Win10 back in 2016 from using Win 7 pro and saw even then how it was not a pay for product so that the OS was your to use, but you now became the product for them to sniff all the personal data they wanted from you etc. Not knowing Linux I chose Mint as my first Linux distro and that was fine for 2 years until I had an issue so went to Ubuntu and then after 2 years because of another issue I went to POP-OS in may 2020 and haven't looked back since they also have great support team for my initial issue with AMD 7950X and the CPU Temp sensors within the first week of AM5 being released and I got an updated Kernel which fixed that 24 hours later which was lucky rather than intended ! :) :)
Video published 3h ago at time of writing this comment, when I check protondb Starfield is now Gold rated. Even people playing it without problem on arch.
Did the game got an update ?
That install was with btrfs. i saw a section in the video - installing arch - where he uses btrfs commands. The corruption was probably (uneducated guess) because of btrfs together with steam. some incompatibility shit.
I've transferred dozens of games to my Steam Deck from my desktop PC and vice versa and I've never had those file corruptions. Even including some huge games like Elden Ring, Armored Core 6, and Cyberpunk 2077, so I am inclined to believe the corruptions have something to do with the OS mismatch.
Edit: Watched the rest of the stream. I guess it's a hardware issue :(
That install was with btrfs. i saw a section in the video - installing arch - where he uses btrfs commands. The corruption was probably (uneducated guess) because of btrfs together with steam. some incompatibility shit.
@@methos1024 I'm not sure. In my case my desktop is on btfs and the Deck is on ext4. Titus probably figured it out already tbh lol
I went back to Windows. I am a gamer and Linux is still hell for gaming.
The game has issues on Windows too and performance is far from optimal even on Windows. Been gaming exclusively on Linux for many years now, pretty happy so far. 90% of my gaming needs run fine ootb on Linux and Steam.
just reading the chapters names.. you really went down a linus route reinstalling your os because steam lmao
ROFL... I sure did!
Linux has a looooooooooong way to go...
it's arch. arch will always have a long way to go as it's broken by design. add the AUR on top and it's just a giant pile of shit. why people choose to use it boggles the mind.
arch people are the same type of person that has a perfectly good Corolla in the garage and they say, _no, i'm taking the 1998 Chrysler Sebring with the shot suspension on the roadtrip because it's a convertable._
@@human__________
That's not only Arch...
That's as a whole Linux ...
@@SkyFly19853 Sounds like you gave up?
@@Masaliantiikeri
I wish I could... Sometimes...
@@SkyFly19853 i suppose you could say that windows is the corolla in my analogy and every linux distro is the busted sebring but then i would have to add that the corolla has a metal dildo in the chair you have to sit on. so in that case i'd still take the busted sebring for sure too.
I watched a lot of LTT vids and I think Linus is a good guy but i am not dropping 60 dollars on a screwdriver, not in a million years!
Good thing i only use Samsung SSD's but i live in a rolling arch distro so i have my own share of bad news.
WOW Replace NVME SSD at Midnight Session
The modern Windows feels like the early days of Android, but without the innovation. It looks ok.. but it feels clunky. It feels like a reskinned Windows 95. Some animations in the OS are clunky and choppy while some feel smooth. Its so damn hit and miss for no apparent reason.
This game is going to take work. Odds are they wont fix the CPU limitations. Thry havent with any of the kther creation engine games. You can tell in some areas like New Atlantis it's very CPU limited.
...you didnt explain the trick to install!
Well Titus - i can only advice to switch to Nobara project ? time to abandon this Tinkering sandbox
I know... but I love tinkering. Probably more than playing games, I feel like I'm sooo close to my perfect system.
I cap at 525 Mbs for a 60 gig game with 1 gig internet
sry download!
i got zero issues i suggest you listen to my build advice, and also a 5700xt all low settings at 1080p on the best cpu only gets you about 45 fps at new atlantis, but it is playable, the consoles only get 30fps
I was wondering too but seem to be lunch day bugs as the video was streamed on the 8/31
as far as i can figure they used premium copies as beta testers lmao, even still game is super worth building a pc around@@ZaberfangX
Wait @TitusTechTalk According to YOU Arch is PERFECT and ONLY THE BRANCHES of arch are "Useless* cause AUR causes Crashes..... But ON VIDEO you have things on Arch CRASHING.. So Since Arch CRASHED on you YOU HAVE TO CALL ARCH USELESS like it's BRANCHES!!!!
Debian 12 and no more distro hopping for me.
same but debian sid
That corruption in the files is probably because of btrfs together with steam. Just a uneducated guess.
plays pretty good for me, but its not like you ever followed my gaming build advice
here is how to yes
garuda os gnome version
install steam pop-shell and make from the aur gamescope-session-git and you get steamdeck os to log into at session manager, so there you go
Windows just works. If you know powershell and how to set it up properly windows 11 is super fast and stable on old laptops too.
Lots of ppl had issues on Windows day one too.
@@Alexander-ix2jp yes but it had nothing to do with OS. I just updated my drivers and it was fine. And because windows have a huge user base you will find problems for any game.
@@TorsionTestis Oh there are lots of OS related issues on Windows mate. Linux might not have the user base that Windows has one the desktop, but its open nature will help diagnose and fix issues too. Valve has already been patching the Steam Deck to improve compatibility with SF, and collaborating with others to help fix the desktop client as well.
@@Alexander-ix2jp most users just want their games to work. They dont care if their software is open source or not. Windows just works. I can play any game i want. I just install and click play. May be install driver but those are automatic these days too.
@@TorsionTestis Windows doesn't "just work" all the time, which is why a huge amount of ppl prefer gaming consoles over PC ;) Consoles "just work" most of the time, you can't say the same about PC gaming, no matter the os.
And yes, most users don't mind being subjective to US surveillance and politics by using Windows, but more and more ppl are starting to wake up luckily.
Winodws its click and play. Linix its crash , troubleshoot , research for a fix , than 50/50% you can fix it.
I like the music.
Oh so, re-installing Arch is normal.
I've been daily driving Arch for I5 days and
I re-installed it like almost 10x.
I think I'm just gonna go back to Windows for now, since it's super efficient for me to work there.
Give me your thoughts guys.
Arch if when updating to often like every will receive many untested of beta updates, so yeah it will be prone to break, mb try reducing the update cycle a bit?
i myself use kubuntu 23.04 so breakage so far, but i admit there are bugs and weird things happen like freezing, or some service failing to shut down, rarely tho.
I would say if u like u using linux and u don't have problems trouble shooting over weird issues and go around configure the OS to your liking, linux is really good and makes u learn a lot, like improving research and improve skills on using a PC.
Otherwise if ur not on for that and you want to get an OS that at least "works as advertised" then well don't force yourself, there is no problem with going back to windows, maybe come back some day in the future or just use linux on a 2nd less important machine, etc.
I moved from windows (10+ years) to Mint and have had zero issues, still on the same install after two years cause I'm too lazy to fresh install...but the point is, it doesn't need to! TOTALLY stable and better than windows.
debian stable lts. arch is not for stable workstation, arch is for messing around
I haven't experienced breaking my Arch. I followed Titus' advice. Used lts kernel, timeshift, etc.
I'm just using NVIDIA card, and it sucks.
I learned to use what drivers to install, etc.
Moving from Debian to Arch after 3 days was a dumb idea for a beginner, lmao.
Im planning on maybe trying Endeavor or other Arch-based distro first since I'm only a week to GNU/Linux, so I would see what I like and install it on Arch when I get back.
@rodrigo.55 it's why I came to Arch, I wanted to learn by breaking things. That's how I gained skills in Windows more than a decade ago. Learning the hard way is sometimes more effective for me :)
When I grow up I wanna be like Chris🥺❤
I don't
@@alexeisavrasov888 okay??😶
not slow internet !! slow disk , and linux is so bad for gaming .. get som new hardware !!!
For people who use the GPU for more than gaming and viewing the browser use Nvidia. The Nvidia drivers on Linux are incredibly good, if not better than AMD's, and everything Nvidia offers is included. With AMD you must switch between the small and simple Open Source driver and the Pro-driver to be able to fully use the GPU.
I would say that now that Wayland works so well (at least with Nvidia) you are not a real Linux user if you use the extremely insecure X11. 😊
Lol all the windows fan boys in the comment section. I ran starfield with not a single crash on Arch using the BUDGIE DE. It ran better on linux then it did on windows. People just love to trash on linux. Only thing that upsets me about linux is the AC situtation.
> the AC situtation
what is AC? I tried searching on google `linux ac` but all I get is `ac - print statistics about users' connect time`
also things bad with linux for me is nvidia proprietary driver:
x11 vsync only properly works full-screen, no windows in front, otherwise screen tearing
`qemu-system-x86_64 -display gtk,gl=on` shows black screen on x11
xwayland glx is terrible (especially in android studio's emulator)
@@RandomGeometryDashStuff Archwiki search "Nvidia Troubleshooting" you should find "3.1 Avoid screen tearing". Btw this is Nvidia issue.
ha ha gaming on Linux sucks. Proves that Linux is pure garbage as desktop OS
I see alot hate over Linux in the comments, if not right for you that's is fine Linux is not for everyone, but starfeid needed alot driver and patch fix day one, it was crashing or not working for alot windows user too.
+1
All these Windows sheep in the comments... obviously a hardware issue but it is somehow the "fault of Linux".
It was definitely a hardware issue that is causing the corruption. I even mentioned in the video that my steamdeck just works and I don't have any issues on it.
That install was with btrfs. i saw a section in the video - installing arch - where he uses btrfs commands. The corruption was probably (uneducated guess) because of btrfs together with steam. some incompatibility shit. I had that problem myself in the past with btrfs, ext4 is fine.
But i am not completely rouling out a hardware issue.
My using Fedora 😎
After Red Hat decided to go closed source I decided to wait and see when it comes to anything RH.
Red Hat going closed source doesn't affect Fedora AFAIK.
@@X39-hg9lz Not yet, but it's still a questionable move tbh. Only time will tell though, only time will tell.
tried starfield, game is just so boring and bland
disappointed...you didn't even yell about the pronouns
Linux is made for servers. Try to realize it and you will save a big amount of time and energy.
linux isn't only made for servers, sure it's not ready for gaming, but for example programming? by far the best option. Web surfing? sure go right ahead. Doing some office work? with office 365 having a browser version you don't even have to use libre office and can use what your coworkers use. Just because linux isn't supported for gaming doesn't mean that it's only for servers, there are more uses for pcs than just gaming and servers
@@Yoolayn As an IT-consult for the last 20 years, less than 10(!) of my customers have tried Linux (Ubuntu, Linux Mint) and they all prefer Windows in the end. In general, people seems to like Linux and the flexibility with all distros, themes, window managers etc... but running MS apps in the browser, not really Linux. About programming yes, creating C++ programs in Linux is great but running Visual studio in an Windows environment is still superior among most companies.
"In April 1991, Linus Torvalds, at the time a 21-year-old computer science student at the University of Helsinki, Finland, started working on some simple ideas for an operating system inspired by UNIX, for a personal computer"
So as you point out, Linus's personal computer was a big old MIT server ay?
@@flyofthefirefly The truth captured him eventually.
My Linux powered Android phone disagrees, and considering the popularity of Android = it's safe to assume Linux can be used everywhere and for everything.