Man you ripped that spot good! Looks like a real blast to fly mate. I didn't know you were an F60 Pro III guy too, they have been my goto for months now. I tried the pacer and velox and both had the same problem for me, in crashes I would find my props would come loose quite easily. Never had that on the F60's (guessing because of the longer shaft). Great video 👌
Couldn't agree more,started with the 2306 f40 and loved them for such a long time, tried the f60 and have stuck with either v2 or v3, will definately try the v4 when need new motors, great info bro.
I skipped through the Pro IIs very fast as the Pro IIIs were such an improvement. That new step between 3 and 4 is very different, not as drastic but super pleasant IMO
Awsome comparison and review. I love my Tmotor f60 pro v3 motors. Problem is there either on back order or unavailable since the release of the v4’s I’ll ride these out till one gives. Maybe go with the v4 if I’m not able to get another v3. Great vid and flying 👍👍
I'd totally buy the 2806.5 as soon as it's there :) Need them in my 7'' life! That said, I'm super happy with my F60 Pro IV's on 5''. Plenty of power and super reliable.
Nice comparison. To be fair to the velox your running 1750kv. I run the 1950kv version and it ripps. I wouldn’t count them out. Of course I love my f60 pro’s But the price point works especially if your bashing like at a bando. Spares for days lol cheers
4 pro sound and feel like the best of all worlds Also it’s is worth mantion the props I use because motors and props are coupled together for great combo Also in the pro 3 series that is my go to also , there was one issue I did not like is that the oring on the bottom spacer between the screw and the motor bearing is not 0 level it is slightly going outside of the bottom , and had did issue to me at start with some motor dumping silicons
Sympa la petite session de freestyle. C'est marrant aussi de te voir bouger autant la tête 😂. Je prends bien note de tes avis sur TMotor, un jour j'en mettrai dans un build
Can you please help me. I have a quad with 2500KV F60 pro III's and I need to buy a replacement motor. I can't find an exact match, so which is most important to match: the KV, the F60, or the Pro III. I was thinking about buying a 2500KV F60 pro IV, but I don't know if that would be a problem to mix-match them like that.
Hey Fincky, I'm about to purchase your build on the links you have supplied above, however, can you confirm you fly a 4s or 6s for your favourite build, also do you have any links to your build with PIDS etc? Thank you.
Bonjour, I just bought your signature frame from Pirat as I'm looking for a replacement for my aging and always out of stock AstroX X5 frames. I have never built a toilet tank setup and I do have some questions regarding the setup. Is there any chance to get a closeup shot of your stack? Also do you run your esc's naked without a cap on 6s?
I've got the 2550kv Pacers on 2 builds, they seem fine so far but I had an issue with one of them where there was 2 strands of windings sticking out between 2 stator poles, I just used a guitar plectrum to push them back in and they've been fine since.
@@Fincky yeah I reckon the magnets would have eventually rubbed through the enamel on the wires and caused a short, but other than that I'm really happy with the rest of the build construction and performance, the rubber o ring and steel washer on the shaft up inside the bell is neat too, all 3 of the new motors are using this construction, it means you can fully tighten the shaft set screw and it doesn't cause the bells to start binding, like I always have to tighten the set screw then back it off on older T Motors but the Pacers I can crank the screw fully in and the bell never binds. Xing and RCinPower were doing this on their motors as well, that was the first place I ever saw that on a motor before.
Thanks! If you like the 2306 size, you should enjoy them. The Velox series is not as tough or powerful as the Pacers that are themselves less refined than the F40 Pro IV series. Basically as you add money you'll get more power, durability and refinement. I do FPV for a living so I go straight to the top shelf stuff but if you wanna save a little bit, with little compromise, you can go for the Pacers and if you really want to go for something cheap, you can pick the Velox and you won't be disappointed. They won't have as much power but will be very smooth and since it's for a cinematic rig they're not supposed to crash a ton so you should get some good bang for you're buck
Fincky! I'm rebuilding my powertrain and need a tiny bit of advice. T-Motor F60 PRO IV 1950KV - T-Motor F7 HD & F55A Pro II 30x30 Stack - 6S Do you use betaflight? If so what version? If not what FC operating system do you use?
T-Motor are good motors but once you crash... They break really easily.. I dont understand why not more people go to brotherhobby while in my case, I find them performing very well and being very strong
I've been thrashing them for years and mostly had great experience with them in terms of durability. The only thing is to change bearings when they get a bit old but the bells stay super strong and the way it flies to me is a lot cleaner then the BrotherHobby motors that I've tried/owned
Salut Fincky ! Je vole depuis quelque temps avec les hardline de chez Xnova et c'est un vrai désastre. J'ai des bruits de roulement de dingue avec 3-4 vols sans forcement crasher. Tu penses quoi de la durabilité des t-motor ?
I can't feel much of a difference between two different brand motors of the same size and kv. If I change sizes and kv well then obviously its very different.
I so wished I stuck to one frame and one type of motors..maybe I could of been the next ledrib lmao..anyways the f40 pro was great and I tend to stick with 2207 for freestyle but my quads with 2306 feel different idk how to explain it. Hopefully my new apex 5" will be my go to frame and will sell the others to build hopefully three identical apexs
Yeah that’s really my advice: find something you like, build a lot of the same and stick to it. No matter if there’s new stuff out there! I usually change elements of my build after like a year or so of using them and I do it one by one over a prêtions of very very long 😁
I have 3 quads with F60 PRO III, and all of them feel a little bit hot, not really hot , just more than warm, after every flight. Are your F60 feel the same or just warm ?
I have Xing-E 2208 1800kv and F60pro3 1750 and the F60 feel smoother and less jello. Both quads are Source One frame and except for the motors, they are identical.
I've tried some Xing motors and they are pretty good but still feel a bit lesser quality compared to the T-Motor to me. Xing's a fairly new player in the FPV motor game so it's no surprise. They've also copied designs from other brands which always feels a little shady to me...
Out of 9 Xing-E motors I bought one was wrong kv (was marked 1800 but the rmp indicated it was a 2450), another one burned in a very gentle crash and one got severe vibrations after another gentle crash... but they are cheap...
@@Siamect well your comparing the E line which are the budget line to tmotors. I was talking about the none E line. Unibell ones. My experience with the E line up is extremely good so far. And if you say their a little smoother then I'll take the half price E any day of the week.
@@Fincky they copied Designs? Pretty sure t motor saw how good the xings are selling with the funky color and copied them on their pacer line. Talking about durability though they are very durable in my experience, are t motors the same?
Yeah we thought of doing a blind test but couldn't make all the OSDs the same at the time also I didn't know all the motors very well but definitely would have been interesting. I think I would have had a hard time between the Pacer 2207.5 and the F60 Pro III
Tmotor user here , disappointed with latest version , f60 proII IS WEAK and proIII is even weaker. I bent an F60 proIII not even hitting directly the bell but only hitting ( hard ) the prop ! Beside that maybe the best performance l, but at what cost ??
Have you tried the Pro IV? You're speaking of the latest version? I've crashed really hard with my Pro IIIs and been happy with the results. You actually don't bend a bell by hitting the motor directly, you bend it in the situation that you describe. Nothing unbreakable, motors are still consumables on a quad, they are exposed to a lot of stress and will need maintenance/replacement on hard crashes.
Fincky I used proII ( better than proIII for robustness from my experience ) . Never bent a bell before in a milion crashes in the way I did with proIII , I don’t know exactly how to describe it but the lower vertical part of the bell ( where the logo and the model are written ) was partially detached from the upper part and the crash wasn’t so big, maybe I was particularly unlucky...But the part I’m most disappointed is how easily this high end pro motors degrades in terms of vibrations that arise after even a light crash. This is my experience as I said before as performance are they are the best IMHO, but with a price too high for me !
@@simonbauer2257 Ar! I'm really not one to talk about tuning, I'm pretty bad at it to be honest. Basically, I take other people's tune as a starting point and then I just make some slight changes and since I fly Kiss, the tune stays pretty much the same everywhere I go :)
I see no reason to buy expensive motor. There are two weakest points of all the motors bearings and balance. Unbalance could be caused by any soft crash (scratch on a bell or bent a shaft) which leads than to bearing destruction. Even after balancing with aluminium tape the bell, you have to change bearings. The cost of NSK bearing with delivery is almost 8$ per motor. And you still have not perfectly balanced bell with aluminium tape on it. The main difference between FPV drone and dji drones that the first was born to fall and the second born to fly. So I think it's more clever to buy 2 cheap motors than 1 expensive for the same price, because perfect motor is a new one, but not the used expensive with changed bearings and rebalanced bell
Work happened man! Sorry about that but that's exactly the time things started going crazy for me. I have one video in the bag that I need to edit, it will be a flight video and I have like 4 or 5 subjects that I need to cover in Vlogs just still haven't due to me being so busy at the moment :/
I'm still flying F40 ii. Stocked up when they went on sale.
I have a couple sets of the 2600kv variant I bought like 3 years ago, those motors were the shit back then and so powerful even still to this day.
I really like the way you fly. Is real pleasure to watch
Man you ripped that spot good! Looks like a real blast to fly mate. I didn't know you were an F60 Pro III guy too, they have been my goto for months now. I tried the pacer and velox and both had the same problem for me, in crashes I would find my props would come loose quite easily. Never had that on the F60's (guessing because of the longer shaft). Great video 👌
That longer shaft is a good point too! Didn't think of it!
@@Fincky Just got some F60 pro IV - going to start ripping like you guys from tomorrow.....for sure.... ;)
12:33 my heart skipped a beat
Gotta come up with surprises some times :)
talking and that flying at the same time... Insane 🤯
Been rocking the pacers! Love then so far! This video definitly makes me want to consider the newer higher end t motors!
Good choice ;)
Couldn't agree more,started with the 2306 f40 and loved them for such a long time, tried the f60 and have stuck with either v2 or v3, will definately try the v4 when need new motors, great info bro.
I skipped through the Pro IIs very fast as the Pro IIIs were such an improvement. That new step between 3 and 4 is very different, not as drastic but super pleasant IMO
@@Fincky I need to buy some now and its your fault lol.
With all those low kv seems the FPV world completely switched to 6s, right?
Safe
Awsome comparison and review. I love my Tmotor f60 pro v3 motors. Problem is there either on back order or unavailable since the release of the v4’s
I’ll ride these out till one gives. Maybe go with the v4 if I’m not able to get another v3. Great vid and flying 👍👍
My goodness you fly so well. Great video.
Fincky is the man! A truly consummate professional.
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great video, i'm a big fan of t-motor
Thanks!
Good comparison. Thanks for sharing. Btw. my wife really likes your English pronunciation. She could not believe you are french.
Haha! Thanks! 😁
Nice flying man you're very precise. One question i have is are you getting such good video on the session?
I'd totally buy the 2806.5 as soon as it's there :) Need them in my 7'' life!
That said, I'm super happy with my F60 Pro IV's on 5''. Plenty of power and super reliable.
Been very happy with 2806.5 on my 7 inch too. So if you like the F60 Pro IV on the 5", you should like the 2806.5 ;)
Fincky I need those NOW! 🤣
Amazing skills. I love these f60 pro 4 1950kv. Have some V2 on the way
Nice comparison. To be fair to the velox your running 1750kv. I run the 1950kv version and it ripps. I wouldn’t count them out. Of course I love my f60 pro’s
But the price point works especially if your bashing like at a bando. Spares for days lol cheers
Nice review and flying man keep it up cheers 🍻
Thanks!
Merci benoit, 1an après ta vidéo est toujours utile ;) F60 pro IV commandé
should have tested them blindly , that is without looking at which one you were flying and then see which motors they were.
4 pro sound and feel like the best of all worlds
Also it’s is worth mantion the props I use because motors and props are coupled together for great combo
Also in the pro 3 series that is my go to also , there was one issue I did not like is that the oring on the bottom spacer between the screw and the motor bearing is not 0 level it is slightly going outside of the bottom , and had did issue to me at start with some motor dumping silicons
Sympa la petite session de freestyle. C'est marrant aussi de te voir bouger autant la tête 😂. Je prends bien note de tes avis sur TMotor, un jour j'en mettrai dans un build
Ah ouais je bouge beaucoup!
Hey jtrue with you !!! For me it's f40pro my favorite one.
Yeah the F40 Pros are 2306.5, I focussed on the 2207.5 stator size on that one as I like it better for freestyle
@@Fincky i need to test the f60 also ;)
Yeah Tmotor seriously took over the motor game in my opinion
Merci pour la vidéo ! Pour moi ça sera les pacers! Beau boulot👌belle vidéo fabrication française mr !
Merci!
I have F60 Pro II's @ 2550kv on my Chameleon. Love them....except the price and the fact they're discontinued. Next time I kill a motor I'm into 4. :(
Thanks for making this, super informative 👍
Thanks!
Have the V2 pacer and v2 F-60 in 1750kv... Both great motors, but the F60 has a bit better low to mid throttle control....
Great piloting bro...
Nice fyling man! Watching this over and over lol! Got a pro iv 1950kv thanks!
By the way, what brand of 6s lipo are you using?
thanks! I'm using the CNHL Blackseries 1100mah
Fincky thank you! Keep safe always and fly on!
Can you please help me. I have a quad with 2500KV F60 pro III's and I need to buy a replacement motor. I can't find an exact match, so which is most important to match: the KV, the F60, or the Pro III. I was thinking about buying a 2500KV F60 pro IV, but I don't know if that would be a problem to mix-match them like that.
Could you do a video showcasing your fleet? I'd love to see that :)
Nice Video and big style i like yout akillz
Great review :]
Have you flown the f60 pro II? Any thoughts on that?
Yeah I've flow the Pro II, I found them a bit harsh compared to the Pro III and IV
nice honest review! thanks man. i'll buy your f60s once you switch over all your fleet LOl
Ahah!
Hey Fincky, I'm about to purchase your build on the links you have supplied above, however, can you confirm you fly a 4s or 6s for your favourite build, also do you have any links to your build with PIDS etc? Thank you.
very nice comparison! 👌
You run toilet tank too? Do you have a video on that already? Would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks for the review/vid!
Man! Been running toilet tank for almost 2 years! Love the balance 🙂 I have a video about it, type « fincky PiratFrames hook » and you should find it
Just in case czcams.com/video/5wslKu5lcKo/video.html
Bonjour, I just bought your signature frame from Pirat as I'm looking for a replacement for my aging and always out of stock AstroX X5 frames. I have never built a toilet tank setup and I do have some questions regarding the setup. Is there any chance to get a closeup shot of your stack?
Also do you run your esc's naked without a cap on 6s?
I've got the 2550kv Pacers on 2 builds, they seem fine so far but I had an issue with one of them where there was 2 strands of windings sticking out between 2 stator poles, I just used a guitar plectrum to push them back in and they've been fine since.
Good call on pushing them back, I like the Pacers as a slightly cheaper option then the "Flagship" ones
@@Fincky yeah I reckon the magnets would have eventually rubbed through the enamel on the wires and caused a short, but other than that I'm really happy with the rest of the build construction and performance, the rubber o ring and steel washer on the shaft up inside the bell is neat too, all 3 of the new motors are using this construction, it means you can fully tighten the shaft set screw and it doesn't cause the bells to start binding, like I always have to tighten the set screw then back it off on older T Motors but the Pacers I can crank the screw fully in and the bell never binds.
Xing and RCinPower were doing this on their motors as well, that was the first place I ever saw that on a motor before.
fais des juicy flick a gauche aussi , tu fais tout a droite ^^ ça fait plaisir de te revoir faire du freestyle !
Ahah! Sur ce spot là ce qui est surtout marrant c'est quand même la partie "en dur" les arbres sont pas foufous
i am useing the f60 pro 1750kv... no crash nothing arround 10 packs now... and the bearings beginn to make noises ....
Nice review dude. I was planning to buy Velox 2306.5. What about your thought on it? I am kida new to 5in looking for a cinematic rig.
Thanks! If you like the 2306 size, you should enjoy them. The Velox series is not as tough or powerful as the Pacers that are themselves less refined than the F40 Pro IV series. Basically as you add money you'll get more power, durability and refinement. I do FPV for a living so I go straight to the top shelf stuff but if you wanna save a little bit, with little compromise, you can go for the Pacers and if you really want to go for something cheap, you can pick the Velox and you won't be disappointed. They won't have as much power but will be very smooth and since it's for a cinematic rig they're not supposed to crash a ton so you should get some good bang for you're buck
@@Fincky Hey thanks for the detailed feedback. Actually pacer dont have 2306. What ur openion abt 2207 or 2306 for freestyle?
are there other alternatives to T motors?
what was your flight time with 2208 ?
Merci pour cette superbe comparaison ! Ca tombe pile au moment ou je cherche des moteurs ! Ca pourrait m'aider !
À votre service :)
Fincky! I'm rebuilding my powertrain and need a tiny bit of advice.
T-Motor F60 PRO IV 1950KV
- T-Motor F7 HD & F55A Pro II 30x30 Stack - 6S
Do you use betaflight? If so what version? If not what FC operating system do you use?
I use Kiss and prefer it over anything else but I've recently tried BF 4.2 and liked it quite a bit
Excellent reviews and love that you also commented on the effect upon battery life!
Absolutely sick flying as well!! 👍👍
Keep up the great work! ✊
ohhhhh snap... u got skillz
T-Motor are good motors but once you crash... They break really easily.. I dont understand why not more people go to brotherhobby while in my case, I find them performing very well and being very strong
I've been thrashing them for years and mostly had great experience with them in terms of durability. The only thing is to change bearings when they get a bit old but the bells stay super strong and the way it flies to me is a lot cleaner then the BrotherHobby motors that I've tried/owned
Salut Fincky ! Je vole depuis quelque temps avec les hardline de chez Xnova et c'est un vrai désastre. J'ai des bruits de roulement de dingue avec 3-4 vols sans forcement crasher. Tu penses quoi de la durabilité des t-motor ?
Do you need license for these? And are the quality in 4K?
I can't feel much of a difference between two different brand motors of the same size and kv. If I change sizes and kv well then obviously its very different.
Dudeee... pretty hardcore how you were ripping that place while talking! 😮
Thanks! Always love to do that. It’s pretty surprising even for me to watch it afterwards
dope assss spot
I so wished I stuck to one frame and one type of motors..maybe I could of been the next ledrib lmao..anyways the f40 pro was great and I tend to stick with 2207 for freestyle but my quads with 2306 feel different idk how to explain it. Hopefully my new apex 5" will be my go to frame and will sell the others to build hopefully three identical apexs
Yeah that’s really my advice: find something you like, build a lot of the same and stick to it. No matter if there’s new stuff out there! I usually change elements of my build after like a year or so of using them and I do it one by one over a prêtions of very very long 😁
@@Fincky thanks fincky I have looked at those valox alot lately
I have 3 quads with F60 PRO III, and all of them feel a little bit hot, not really hot , just more than warm, after every flight.
Are your F60 feel the same or just warm ?
No mine are always fairly cool or slightly warm, I suggest pairing them with the T-motor T5143 prop and maybe reduce D a little bit
Really! The same, I am using T-motor T5143 props and my D-term only 24 and 26, but outside temp is hot, around 33-35°C.
Thanks for your help~
Sweet 😁
Amazing ! You do great keep going ✨🎈☀️
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Ever tried the xing motors? How do they compare? They have been extremely smooth and durable for me
I have Xing-E 2208 1800kv and F60pro3 1750 and the F60 feel smoother and less jello. Both quads are Source One frame and except for the motors, they are identical.
I've tried some Xing motors and they are pretty good but still feel a bit lesser quality compared to the T-Motor to me. Xing's a fairly new player in the FPV motor game so it's no surprise. They've also copied designs from other brands which always feels a little shady to me...
Out of 9 Xing-E motors I bought one was wrong kv (was marked 1800 but the rmp indicated it was a 2450), another one burned in a very gentle crash and one got severe vibrations after another gentle crash... but they are cheap...
@@Siamect well your comparing the E line which are the budget line to tmotors. I was talking about the none E line. Unibell ones. My experience with the E line up is extremely good so far. And if you say their a little smoother then I'll take the half price E any day of the week.
@@Fincky they copied Designs? Pretty sure t motor saw how good the xings are selling with the funky color and copied them on their pacer line. Talking about durability though they are very durable in my experience, are t motors the same?
it would be great if you could test them blindly! (flying without knowing what motors you're flying)
Yeah we thought of doing a blind test but couldn't make all the OSDs the same at the time also I didn't know all the motors very well but definitely would have been interesting. I think I would have had a hard time between the Pacer 2207.5 and the F60 Pro III
@@Fincky thanks for elaborating! great flying as always btw
Tmotor user here , disappointed with latest version , f60 proII IS WEAK and proIII is even weaker.
I bent an F60 proIII not even hitting directly the bell but only hitting ( hard ) the prop ! Beside that maybe the best performance l, but at what cost ??
Have you tried the Pro IV? You're speaking of the latest version? I've crashed really hard with my Pro IIIs and been happy with the results. You actually don't bend a bell by hitting the motor directly, you bend it in the situation that you describe. Nothing unbreakable, motors are still consumables on a quad, they are exposed to a lot of stress and will need maintenance/replacement on hard crashes.
Fincky I used proII ( better than proIII for robustness from my experience ) . Never bent a bell before in a milion crashes in the way I did with proIII , I don’t know exactly how to describe it but the lower vertical part of the bell ( where the logo and the model are written ) was partially detached from the upper part and the crash wasn’t so big, maybe I was particularly unlucky...But the part I’m most disappointed is how easily this high end pro motors degrades in terms of vibrations that arise after even a light crash. This is my experience as I said before as performance are they are the best IMHO, but with a price too high for me !
What do you think about the tmotor f40 iii pro 2306? The silver and Black ones with orange wires?
They were such great motors when they came out a couple years ago but the new stuff is crazy compared to it
@@Fincky oh ok yeah it would be also pretty nice if you could do a pid tuning video. What do you think about this idea🤔🙈
@@simonbauer2257 Ar! I'm really not one to talk about tuning, I'm pretty bad at it to be honest. Basically, I take other people's tune as a starting point and then I just make some slight changes and since I fly Kiss, the tune stays pretty much the same everywhere I go :)
@@Fincky oh ok😂🙈
F80 bro! ❤️🙌
I have a set for a new project, not really my style for 5 inch freestyle though
could you fit and fly f60 v4 bell on v3 stator?
No they are completely different motors
@@Fincky Why? Different shaft size?
F40s all day man here
Definitely the way to go when you're into 2306 stator size!
18:43 CAT
Hehe!
you guys clear which one is which size???
Check the description ;)
@@Fincky i mean others,like me if i didn't watch this video i think i didn't know these exactly size forever,lol
Ah ben ca tombe bien cette video 👌
Pile poil!
18:45 "Déjà Vu"
I see no reason to buy expensive motor. There are two weakest points of all the motors bearings and balance. Unbalance could be caused by any soft crash (scratch on a bell or bent a shaft) which leads than to bearing destruction. Even after balancing with aluminium tape the bell, you have to change bearings. The cost of NSK bearing with delivery is almost 8$ per motor. And you still have not perfectly balanced bell with aluminium tape on it. The main difference between FPV drone and dji drones that the first was born to fall and the second born to fly. So I think it's more clever to buy 2 cheap motors than 1 expensive for the same price, because perfect motor is a new one, but not the used expensive with changed bearings and rebalanced bell
3 months! I sub you channel expecting timely content. What's up with that?
Work happened man! Sorry about that but that's exactly the time things started going crazy for me. I have one video in the bag that I need to edit, it will be a flight video and I have like 4 or 5 subjects that I need to cover in Vlogs just still haven't due to me being so busy at the moment :/
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On fait ce qu'on peut :)
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