Why FPV pilots don't pitch forward (as much as you think they should)
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Every time I post a video with a stick overlay, people ask, why don't you pitch forward? Why doesn't he pitch forward? How can you be flying forward if you never push the pitch stick forward?
I'm going to answer that question today.
The simulator I'm flying is Liftoff
• Joshua Bardwell's Hous...
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I love how Bardwell can fly around HIS OWN HOUSE in the simulator, then do the same in real life.
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@Dawson Crosby I really appreciate your reply. I found the site on google and im in the hacking process atm.
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@Wyatt Maximus Happy to help =)
why does this feels like a forced conversation
Just learning to fly quads. As a fixed wing RC pilot THIS was my "A Ha" moment!!!!! Thank you!!!!
same bro same
I often have these moments, sometimes more than once for the same thing...
I am a RL fixed wind pilot and this makes perfect sense! A turn induces drag which causes the craft to lose altitude, causing the need to compensate with pulling back on the yoke to pitch the nose up. I should have been flying my quad in “acro” mode this whole time. 🤦♂️
Right?!
It’s the same with fixed wing… you have to keep back pressure in a turn. Basic aerodynamics, only difference on a quad you can also apply throttle instead.
The answer is a single word: Acro.
Which is only short for acrobatics which I as an oldschool-heli guy (thug life clip playing right now... ;D) would call aerobatics anyway.
But I guess Aero as a mode just doesn't sound that cool. ^^
I hope my comment doesn't detract too much from Joshua's excellent explanation, I like boiling things down to their core, my English teachers at school hated that about my work.
I would have laughed so hard if he started out with "Why don't FPV pilots pitch foward so much? Because acro." then did a mic drop & thug life music moment :)
@@licensetodrive9930 ;D
I was about to say, he could've made this a 5 second video - him just saying "They fly acro".
Oh yeah acrobatic mode is fun
"I'm doing this in Liftoff so I can flex that my house is in liftoff. Also because it'll be easier"
Haha kidding. I love that we can fly around your house and race there. Great addition to the game
But, the JB in the sim is wearing pants... :)
@@Noircogi sacrilege!
I was flying yesterday and it just hit me why this happens: Let's say you turn left with yaw and roll. When you roll left, then yaw left, that leftward roll became a forward pitch.
Yeah exactly
Great video! This seems so obvious to the experienced pilots that you'd never think to explain it to the new pilots. This video is super helpful to the new guys! It's easy to forget how scary and confusing acro mode can be.
This was one of the last beginner concepts that I was struggling with understanding. I would always find myself using pitch as a constant way to adjust speed and I just came back to this video to say that it has helped me so much! I have felt myself improving on my 4 packs a day. Thank you Bardwell!
Coordinated turning is the hardest thing for any pilot to get a grasp on when they start in this hobby and doing it well takes hours and hours and hours of practice.
This is a great video. Thanks JB.
I think the best way to learn is to just put in many hours of simulator time. It gets to the point where you just do it and don't even think about it. Kind of like how when riding a bike you don't have to think about balancing it, you just do it out of muscle memory.
@@Plur307 Personally, I think all pilots should be able to fly a simulator and have the quad do exactly what they think it should do before ever putting a real airframe into the sky.
LOTS of folks who post videos on youtube, can't do that. When I started I couldn't do that!
That's changed over 3 years of FPV and 1000's of hours of sim time for me.
@Plur307 Exactly right, I spent weeks learning acro with FPV Freerider to the point where I didn't have to think about how to maneuver the craft, my thumbs did it automatically, only then did I start flying acro with a real quad, a Kingkong 90GT like 2.5 years ago now.
First flight lasted 30 seconds because I got too ambitious too quickly and tried to do a flip :D
@@licensetodrive9930 2 months with a transmitter and my computer before I decided to put my first quad in the air and it still took me years and thousands of hours to get as good today as I have become, even 2 years in and a hundred hours in the sim, I was garbage.
My youtube channel has my videos back to my first race ever! I go back to understand how far I've come, and I send newer pilots who watch me fly today to my youtube channel to show them that it really is that hard at first!
@fellstar My CZcams channel is similar to yours in that it's a history of my flight capability, from the first year GPS quad footage and then on to FPV with a Syma X5C clone with an AIO camera on, then a Kingkong 90GT, other Kingkong's and to my current level with Emax Hawk & Mobula 6.
Have to say, your Mobula 6 flying is super smooth, I'm not a racer I just like the freestyle/exploration aspect of FPV, being free from the ground to explore areas in a way that nothing else can.
Damn Mann you’re a legend I started practicing in the sim FPV air 2 three days ago and was struggling with going forward and turning and you upload this video explaining why I’ll say it again BLOODY LEGEND.
You’ve got new subscriber
Thank you for posting this. I remember when I first started practicing Acro coming from Angle mode that this took a bit of time to figure out. And, I don't remember ever seeing this referenced in any of the how to videos I watched on CZcams talking about how to fly in Acro mode.
Takes special talent to talk 10mins about the difference between angle and acro :)
Finally there is a video that make sense for a beginner pilot. Great video. Thx JB
Thank you so much for that explanation! You gave me an 'a ha' moment that really helped me figure out flying. I'm brand new to FPV, I don't even have a drone yet, but I've been following you and Steele, and stingy and the rotor riot guys for almost two years now and I just didn't think I had the knack for flying. I'm just working in simulators so I can really get the basics down before I invest in a good build, but I could not figure out what I was doing wrong about controlled/coordinated turns. Your explanation really helped me overcome that learning obstacle I was stuck on by reframing the way I think about pitch. I had all but given up but with this simple explanation of thinking of pitch as speed rather than forward and back it finally clicked for me. I can actually fly controllably now, instead of the controlled careening I was doing before as I over accelerated and overcompensated trying to keep all the axes in my head. Thank you so much. I'm gonna have to put in a lot of hours of practice to really get lock it down, but you got me back into flying after a couple months of frustration.
The trick to getting acro in your head is to remember the stick movements CORRECT (Change?) the current attitude. Let the sticks go to center with no maintained pressure (except throttle) and then "bump" a little forward pitch in, etc.
Don't fly in autolevel or you'll chase your tail for ages. Good Luck!
This is the video that earns my subscription, you just helped move forward in my fpv journey, the way you explained the right stick made soooooooooo much more sense than anything
Thank you so much for this video, when I wasn't thinking I would do fine but the minute I turned to do better turns I would end up in the ground. This makes so much sense now.
I've only flown my DJI quad 3 times so far, and this totally makes sense, especially after reading some of the wonderful comments. Thank you for the quick tutorial. You are one of my main go-to instructors on Quads and have been tremendously helpful. I don't have much time to fly but I watch tons of your videos all the time. I'm working on a computer build so I can start flying on a sim (my current computer is 16 years old) lol. I'm looking forward to this hobby as a form of relaxation in my off time. Thanks for all your work, it is very well appreciated.
I'm starting in fpv and this video changed my whole concept about fpv controller and now I'm starting to fly properly. thanks a lot.
This is going to help me so much in the simulators.I knew I was doing something wrong, but couldn't figure it out. Thank you for this
Thankyou JB, thats put some perspective on my flying in liftoff, ive found myself pitching back more than forward but was having some issues with getting myself too low to the ground and crashing, altho it was fine on other areas of the track. NOW i get it why these things are happening. great explanation. cheers bro!
Set up my DIY tiny whoop loops out back..glad I got into fpv now..i used pvc n hula hoops..oh n clear tape..added leds and diy lion Batt packs from laptop packs..im not bored I swear..you guys are getting us rc pilots good press....keep at em..
Been watching tons of your videos and this one makes it all click!!! Thanks for the info! Every learning to fly acro video should tell people this!!! Thank you so much!!
Honestly all of your videos are fantastic but this one in particular really helped me understand a ton. "don't think of it as forward and backward, think of it as faster and slower". That made it click so hard in my head.
Hi JB. Of all the great videos you put out and along with Rotor Riot THIS video alone was a pure "light bulb turning on" moment. Exactly the video I needed and explained so much. Great work and keep it up. P.S. love the fridge outro you've been doing ha ha ha 👍👍👍
Bardwells ability to make something simple complicated is unparalleled. Even though Ive been flying for a few months now I have never really thought about the things you brought up in this video.
Its nice you still have the patience and capability to engage the completely new pilots. U rarely see that from veterans making videos. Well done bud. 👍
I never realized that I'm pitching backward when turning, until seeing this video. Had to go outside and verify, and behold, I'm pitching backward. One of these subconscious muscle memory moves...
If you wanna be super cool you can roll 90 degrees either direction and pitch back to turn, be careful though lol
It's like riding a bike. Really. Everyone does it by instinct and they've never been taught what they are doing. It might seem you just turn the handle bars in the direction they want to go, right? Not even close. It's a three step process. First turn briefly *opposite* of the direction you want to go, this makes you lean into the turn you want to make and then you can turn the handle bars in the desired direction. Try riding in a straight line and make a turn without the opposite waggle. It can't be done.
@@filalleva6231 Okay, this is getting interesting. I need to go verify that tonight 😁
@@filalleva6231 called counter steering
Fantastic video (as always), thanks a lot for your teaching, I learned something today !
This little tip changed the way I fly significantly... as in, I don't face plant into the ground as much when turning. Thanks for making this video. :)
Thank you Joshua! Your video has improved my noobie flying, much appreciated!
Thanks a lot for explaining the basic stuff, especially the combination of roll and yaw and how is it affected by roll as well
You are Awsome at explaining. I had to fine tune my tunes, and you gave me a physics lesson that made it extremely educational. Thank you for putting this video together.
Good info, I'm just learning, thumbs up.👍I've only been flying acro fpv for two days now. Lift Off was godsend to get the feel before flying for real.
Since I'm quarantined, I finally had time to break my DJI/angle habit and learn acro. Yesterday didn't go to well, but today i finally got it. Must have flown 20 packs on my tinyhawk today.
I'm doing the same thing. First time clicking it in to acro for more than a few seconds was today. Definitely an adjustment from flying fixed wing.
I got 7 2s batteries a garden and a tinyhawk s, every day 14 packs as training 😂
once you go acro you wont ever fly angle again... 1 more day and youll be there
ST4RDU5T same😂 I bought the tinyhawk 5 days ago and I’m flying it as much as I can, unfortunately I only have one battery
Excellent demonstration. Thanks Joshua
Thank you JB! I finally get it now.... I’ve been flying “angle mode” since I started, for years. Since I’m not the sharpest knife in the draw, I just couldn’t wrap my head around the physics of the way Acro reacts . You explained it perfectly with the use of ‘lift off’. I’m happy to report, not only did I learn something as always from your videos , this time I learned something HUGE! The lightbulb above my head finally lit up!! Id also like to thank you for giving me/us an awesome diversion from all of the depressing news on this crazy war we are all in. I hope You and your family are all doing well. Keep up the great work as always!
I play helicopter sims on the PC and almost all the physics of how a heli flies are transferable to kwads. Played the OG Gunship for years and you get it once you understand the basics. I gave myself 6 months to learn how to fly kwads when I 1st started and was finally happy in acro after about 3. Everything else from then on is just a learning curve on how to fly better.
Thank you! Also had my "aha!" Moment. Be safe.
A great video, truly pedagogical as always. Yes, I learnt something today!
I think people think of flying in the same term of driving a land vehicle. You have friction slowing you down in the turns with a land vehicle. There is very little friction when you are flying. Therefore you have to pull back to use the air as you would the asphalt in a car. It’s a totally different way of driving. And all that is learned from stick time and crashes. Great video Josh!
The way I explain acro vs angle to my friends is by comparing degree/sec with degree.
On angle you pitch forward and with each mm you move the stick, the drone pitches by a certain degree.
Meanwhile on Acro you pitch forward and with each mm you move the stick, the quad rotates at a faster rate of deg/sec.
Example on angle: Stick is pitched fully forward, the quad flies at a steady 45° forward.
On Acro: Stick is pitched fully forward and the quad rotates at 1000°/sec
1000°/sec damnn
everything is calculus
This is a great video - I'm trying to get back into FPV after a few years away and so far have only really flown angle mode and I've been struggling with Liftoff! I feel like I'm all over the place in turns - gonna be mindful of this next time I try!
For a newbie yo FPV (just starting with SIM) this is amazing. I was so wondering why I can't fly properly straight, less so I need to counter for the tilt in turns. Thansk!
Great video, great analytics too! That said I never even thought about this until you pointed it out 😂😂
Omg I wondered why my learning progress wasn’t going anywhere thank you so much
Thanks Josh, just started out and my first three hours of simulator were hopeless as I could not figure thiso ut by myself. Cheers!
Thanks for the flying tip. Exactly what I needed.
Light bulb moment!! No, I didnt know that. Yes, I learnt lots today! Thank you JB!
I've been super frustrated flying in the sim the last couple of days! This all makes sense now. Thanks.
This really helped. Thanks, Joshua!
Really helpful answer to the question we "should" be asking.
I love watching you playing with your sticks 🕹😉
Great video. Always wondered this!
Reminds me of the old days of this channel! With the liftoff tutorials and discussions. Who remembers?
Finally 😃I noticed the speeding up effect in turns also in my acro-efforts, but I thought I accidentally was pitching forward every time.
I’m gonna give this a try. Thnx 👍
Awesome video.
Went out and flew 6 packs just consenting on it.
Never thought of it like that before.
Thanks.
This helped me loads - I was “steering” with the right stick all the time 😱
I had become incredibly frustrated 😩
Great vid eo , was trying to explain it to a mate having his first go on the sim .
Jushua! THANKS A LOT! Sorry for capslock, but now i can finally turn where i want in liftoff. I was already pissed of, but now i hit the freaking gates!
Very good video and explanation. Although I basically knew that it worked this way (yeah I don't fly ACRO yet), this is a good explanation with visual reinforcement. Like the stick "overlay". Yeah that simulator does look like your place (I watch a lot of your videos). Thanks.
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2 years later bro your welcome
I got you bro
Welcome back 😂😊
This helped a bunch! Thank you!
Very educational video. Thanks!
I'm new to this world, everytime i saw Joshua video, I surely can learn something important, new and good to me, thx Joshua
Thanks for the detailed explanation
I learned something important today, thank you Josh
Hey! New pilot here. I learned something today. Thanks for the video.
Thank you for the answering these questions also nice house in virtual reality
This video simultaneously blew my mind and made me feel stupid.
Great video and I definitely learned something today! 👍
thanks Joshua makes lots of sense!!!!you rock bro
Pretty interesting! Thanks, Joshua! 😃
In a bank you are trading vertical component of lift for horizontal component of lift and to maintain level flight need to pitch up. Whether a drone or RC fixed wing or full scale aircraft - Physics. Great video JB! Thank you
That was very helpfull thanks Josh
That's amazing how good that looks.
Thank you, as a beginner, this really helps
Love flying your yard, always sunny at JB's place
Best explanation for acro i have seen to date
Awesome explanation :) I'm a beginner, and this will help for sure ^^
Great instructions and explanation. Thank you.
Hi Joshua - always enjoy your videos. I think that there is an aerodynamic principle here. As the quad (aeroplane, heli, glider etc) banks the wings (rotor or fixed ) produce less lift when compared to the horizontal left effect. As you demonstrated, the quad will sink if left unchecked, the back stick movement raises the nose and prevents the sink. You might find that to maintaining your speed you will also need to increase your throttle. So, to maintain speed and keep a constant altitude in a turn you use both pitch and throttle and the greater the bank the more inputs required. Cheers
i agrer with your thats what i wrote....
@film_pi_vox
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but as you lose altitude wouldn't it make sens to raise the throttle and then lowering it a bit when you're out of the turn. by doing this you dont lose altitude but most important you dont lose speed by pitching back..
That's given me an idea,
do a Rotor Riot episode trying to fly/race without pitching back (like electronically block it out on the transmitter so it's impossible) would be fun to watch pilots would have to do flips and other moves to fly.
Sure Vanover would ace it !
(this would obviously be post Corona)
Is vanover old enough for coronas yet?
How about a "no yaw" race? They'd have to learn a whole new way of turning corners.
@@Croznyj why use an artificial horizon when you have a real horizon? If you can't see the ground there's a major issue with your camera angle or your flying too high.
@@licensetodrive9930 1 stick flight is actually doable, set the throttle, bank and yank... half roll and pitch down, halfroll back.
@@spchips He will be by the time this whole thing is over.
excellent question! I notice I do not use pitch that much at all! Thanks!
Really great lesson!
Acro and Camera angle. Once you get the camera angle nailed you hardly have to pitch forward, unless you need to go regain more speed out of trick moves etc or gain more speed in straight lines. Back pitch more before turns and obstacles to avoid overshoot and crashing into stuff. Informative as usual JB.
When I first started flying I kept flying straight into the ground and it just wasn’t clicking, I happened across this video and the concept of pulling back during turns was a revelation!
Fixed wing pilot here: You're using the same exact stick inputs to turn that I use. My nose wants to drop if I turn without pulling back on the pitch as well. If I use yaw only I get some different effects(Depending on the plane itt'l bank into the turn as if I had used roll anyway) but they all tend to drop the nose a bit unless I pull back on the pitch a scoche.
That makes so much sense, now that i know..... thanxs!!
Holy guacamole this is exactly what I needed as a noob. Thank you, Joshua!
thanks for explaining it. Makes perfect sense
Now this has answered my question on why i can't turn perfectly. Now I've learned something 😂
Outstanding tutorial Josh! Can we have more?
thx a lot Joshua, this helped me a lot :)
Nice tie bit!
I really never thought about it as speed but now it makes sense. I learned something.
Maaan, I do fpv for a time...but never noticed this :D Thanks for the interesting video JB!
Great Analysis of the not too obvious to the concious mind. Neither my concious or subconscious minds had figured out to pitch back in turns though,,,, Until Now!! Having one of two minds knowing that now is Sure going to Help. Thank You So Much Josh!!😂
noted, roll becomes pitch when you yaw......🤔....why didn't I think of that, thanx JB....🤘😎👍
Thanks nicely explained!
I’ve been struggling because I thought you pitch forward and keep against the ground this makes so much sense
This lesson is gold
I got a DJI Mini 3 Pro a few weeks ago, mostly for photography. I've been having a lot of fun with it and love the pics and videos and my new view of the world. The CZcams rabbit hole lead me to FPV videos and I now have an interest in possibly getting started with flying FPV quads (not with the DJI, clearly). I decided the smartest route, before buying a second copter, was to use the Sims to learn the controls (I'm a long time video gamer, which hasn't really helped in learning to fly). I came across this video last night and this evening I decided "no time like the present to start learning." (I also registered for the PI class to study for my 107). I'd bought a Zorro ELRS for playing sims (and future potential flying). I'd set my Zorro to be self centering and had been practicing in Zephyr. I un-did that the self-centering throttle and started in Drone Racing League. Through the tutorial and my first race (ug, that went poorly) and first freestyle (futuristic city), I kept feeling "these controls are still pretty much like the DJI, it's nothing like what Bardwell described." So I looked again. I switched the Level from Beginner to Pro (without damage) and then moved to a less-busy freestyle level (aircraft boneyard), and NOW I completely understand what I saw in this video. I'll be practicing for FPV starting here. Thanks for this video so I knew what flying FPV SHOULD kind of look like on the sticks and helping me pre-understand some of how the sticks interact. I'd imagined going through the various "levels" on DRL would be helpful, but for my goals I really need to start learning in Pro - Beginner and Intermediate just a waste of muscle memory.
Update: I'm kind of loving flying in Tryp. I remember those first flights struggling with the controls and the first time I mostly circled the blimp a couple times at a somewhat consistent altitude. And then flights telling myself "pitch forward," which felt so awkward at first. While I'm no freestyle expert and I cannot yet rock the races, I feel completely comfortable flying all around the Tryp maps, making lots of gaps, flying between trees, etc. I've seen huge progress in the last two weeks with a small amount of daily sim time (30-60+ minutes -- more since I got Tryp). This is the video that started me off - Thanks!
This video sums up how I crashed my first build last week.
After hovering my brand new first build for two minutes (happily) - I wanted to feel it accelerate forward. So I sharply pitched forward and instead of accelerating forward, I pitched head over heels VERY FAST into the pavement (luckily the battery took most of the impact).
Apparently, the drone that I learned to fly on was in angle mode (I didn't realize that until now).
And now I understand the difference between angle and acro mode :\