The Untold Truth Of Motley Crue's Mick Mars
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- čas přidán 9. 06. 2024
- Mick Mars might be one of the greatest 80’s heavy metal guitarists of all time. He’s in no small part credited for pioneering the hard rock and metal sounds of LA. And believe it or not, Mick was inspired at the age of three to take up guitar by the country music singer Skeeter Bonn.
From that early exposure to music, Mick Mars defined his life with his musical skills until he ultimately helped found the heavy metal band Mötley Crüe. But it hasn’t always been good times for the guitarist. From a crippling spinal disorder to substance abuse problems, Mars has faced more than his fair share of life challenges. Let’s take a look at the untold truth of Mötley Crüe’s Mick Mars.
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'Country' Bob Deal | 0:00
Age before beauty | 1:17
Secret weapon | 2:33
Close call | 3:37
Mental health issues | 4:45
Physical health issues | 6:08
Complex family life | 7:31
Mick's 'White Album' | 8:31
Mentor | 9:28
Going Solo | 10:33
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Couple points to clear up.
Mick Mars urged Tommy and Nicki to accept Vince as the lead singer, we didn't mean to infer that he was the sole reason Vince joined.
Also, We didn't get into the whole Mick Mars birthday controversy. Mars real birthdate is probably 1951, but for years professionally he used 1955 as his birth year. Sorry about those points and we'll be sure to be more clear in the future!
Me too
Nikki
I knew movie the dirt was b.s.
He is also a RACIST. forgot to put that there. he clearly used the N word repeatedly and unashamedly in a MC Documentary in the 90s. Just like today, that word was not ok to use nor there is any justification.
@@ipman4715 well considering they tell you in it that it isn’t all true…yeah
Mick is the only member of Crüe that I have any respect for. He raised those three boys all on his own the best that he could.
Corabi is pretty great too.
Yeap, Mick is the only smart, original person and good musician(incredible guitar player) in that band of assholes
Nikki?
What about Nikki?
@@ryplay5430 he's an egotistical self righteous 2 faced pos. There's a video of him talking shit about ppl like Corey Taylor being in multiple bands. Yet he's in the Crüe and Sixx am.
I knew MC in the early 80s when they were coming up.
Mick was always a nice guy and also funny. One night upstairs at the Troubador in Hollywood, Mick gave me a stainless steel pick. He said "you wanna play metal you gotta' use metal". I still have it.
That's just my two cents. Peace.
you are A Liar never happened..
this guy does rehashed info videos .
get off Wikipedia.
@@claychandler3468 well judging by 176,000 views in 6 days, I'd say your jealousy is prolly more the problem😒
I got a pick from Don Dokkens guitarist back in August at one of their shows
I met Mick Mars when I met and briefly dated Stephen Pearcy. Mick is a reserved person.
Mick is the heart and soul of Motley Crue. Without him, there is no Motley
Losing mick is like losing Eddie. R.I.P Eddie
I don't even care much for Crew but I've always liked Mick more than the other ones. Saw them live a few times, last time in 2010 and Mick was the guy carrying the music. For his disease and restricted movement, he actually plays the songs how they sound on the record. A ton of these guys of that era could barely do it then and it's even worse now. I like Jake E Lee and aesthetically he may have fit the girly look of Motley Crew in 86' but Mars was interictal to their success. Would've been a dumb move with Jake probably leaving in a few albums anyway.
@@perpetualmotion357 yes mick is legend because of how much he persevered and kept playing with his illness.
@@Benji1969 When it came to 80's music I was always an AC/DC/Motorhead guy who enjoyed all those thrash bands like early Metallica who just got up on stage in a shirt and ripped blue jeans and did their thing. I was never into the glam stuff, the gang vocals etc..but I have to admit, the one thing that always stuck out for me when it came to Motley Crue were the catchy riffs. Mick would often use tunings which made the guitar sound heavier/raunchier which wasn't all that common at the time. Even as a kid when I was asked if I liked Motley Crue I always responded with "I like a lot of their riffs."
@@perpetualmotion357 I'm a big motley fan, but yes Mick does have some great riffs. Wild side, girls girls girls, etc
Mick Mars is the reason Motley Crue exists! It was his energy that made the band famous. Mick's determination was key!
The man has accomplished a lot with all his physical and mental health problems, not to mention the addictions as well. He's a trooper.
I think you forgot he's a guitarist, a bloody good one at that, yes, and no dis to your comment but labelling him is ridiculous. He is a person, with skills. Don't stamp anyone's forehead with their flaws first please.
Truly a criminally underrated guitarist,basically because you don't hear about him doing crazy things just for popularity!🤘🤘🤘
Right he didn't run around the stage and slammed his guitar around and swing around on things he just stood there and played amazing guitar and never gets the credit he deserves!
he's the only reason Crue were anything imo
@@r.edward5701 tommy Lee played a big part
I agree 💯
you don't hear about Jeff Beck or Joe Satriani or David Gilmour or John Sykes doing crazy things to gain popularity either..
He’s the secret weapon of MC. Beautiful, heavy chords and melodic solos that separated Crue from fly by night bands of the 80s. He elevated the songs to another level.
Even james hetfeild said the crue was just plain heavy metal in sound, never mind the look.
HE DIDNT PLAY IN THE STUDIO, SO YOU ARE PRAISING A PERSON WHO DID NOT EVEN PLAY ON THE ALBUMS. HOW STUPID IS THAT?
James who??? Haha
Make that 1957
I met Mick Mars 20 years ago when he was in Charlotte for a Scifi convention and was totally what you would expect from him. Just a cool, nice laid back kind a guy that had no issues talking to fans and signing autographs. I hope he is fairing ok with his health issues of late.
Met him too. Regular guy. No rock star bravado or ego that I could see. But then that's why I love Nikki! I love Mick and Nikki for different reasons!
Absolutely. Out of every single member of Motley Crue. Not much trash talk about Mick Mars is there. And things have certainly changed for Nikki Sixx as well. I love that guy to
I respect Mick because, I’ve had spinal issues since I was 19 I’m 61 today and always in pain. His bravery to keep going through the pain is not an easy thing. My son was diagnosed with what Mick has. It’s heartbreaking to watch your child barely walking some days and in so much pain.
I have the same disease as him, lit started having symptoms at 26-27 same as him, 30 now, and I hear you brother it sucks, as hard as it is not to focus on it, you gotta find sht that makes you happy/ get you distracted, bc it can be miserable at times if you don’t
Not a Motley Crüe fan specifically, but a musician and appeciator of all the musics ... I also have Ankylosing Spondylitis and had to have my hips replaced in my 20s. Mars has all of my deepest respect and well wishes. This disease is awful... and a lot of days, just getting out of bed is a miracle and feat of super strength.
I suffer from it too so I know your pain. It’s very painful 😓.
My best friend also has it. Its is an ugly disease.
I wish you the best in dealing with that disease.
@@mikegrassman4773 yes it is
@@eac1235 thank you 😊
Mick Mars is one of the greatest guitar players ever and he definitely doesn’t get the credit he deserves. Such an amazing and awesome guy as well. He plays in pain a lot and he still goes on. That is a true Rock Star. Mick helped write the songs as well and just show’s just how much Mick is such a major talent. I know that he has to live with pain daily and that makes me so sad. Thank you Mick for all the amazing year’s you gave us and thank you for caring so much about your Fan’s.We love and adore you Mick.❤️❤️❤️
You are 100 per cent spot on. The man is remarkable and has helped me (the same age) cope with some of my crap just with his attitude. I feel small when griping about my health when I think of him. I have felt lesser when he left the building after shows. But he gives strength through example ! He cannot be defeated, only destroyed. You're right - THAT is a Rock Star *****
@@p.oinonen6706 ❤❤❤❤. My prayers are with you love.
Saw them recently on their ‘22 stadium tour. He still fkn kills it at 67 years old. The camera operators were very careful to never show his face for more than a split second, instead zooming in on his guitar work up close. Living legend IMO
I'm more of a Metallica and Megadeth kind of guy but Mars always stood out for me, a superb riff master. Finding out about the difficulties he has faced (and his age!!) makes me respect him even more.
Nice!
Mick’s phrasing, tone, and technique are phenomenal. Truly one of the greats!
Yea every cares too much about technical proficiency. He's one of the most unique players I've ever heard. You're right his feel, technique and tone separates him from heaps of other virtuosos. Yngwie Malmsteen actually bores me even though he's good. Much prefer players like Mick and Ritchie Blackmore.
I truly Admire Mick for continuing to play professionaly and continued touring. As a person who has scoliosis, severe arthritis and lives in pain every day for the past 20 years, he is remarkable. I have have had 2 spinal surgeries L5-S1, L-2,3,4. And both hips replaced. That is true pain. Keep going Mick!👍🥰
I have the same disease Mick has..ankylosing spondylitis. It can be living hell.
I recently have been dealing with a bulging cervical disc c5/c6. It's not even severe, just a 5mm bulge and the pain can be excruciating down my left shoulder and arm from 35 years of a laborious job.. My issue is nothing compared to Micks. I couldn't imagine that much pain and still powering through like him. Easily the most badass rockstar ever!!!! Utmost respect for him!
I love Mick Mars, greatest member of Motley Crue. He is such an underrated guitar player and never had the big rock star attitude. I can't wait for his solo album to finally come out.
he has a solo album coming out
I'm glad they did not get rid of him. Obviously, it would have been a mistake.
Mick is definitely one of the world's best riff masters, much respect for his talent.
What a Legend! I love Mick Mars, He's the reason I started playing Guitar, I wish him and of course to the whole Crüe the Best! They are my Favourite Band! Thank you for Everything and Keep Rocking!!
his riffs never get old. timeless music
The Heart, and Soul of that Band! IMO! Ladies, and Germs!
Nikki wrote all the songs tho
I don’t think I agree because Nikki wrote the songs and they weren’t the same without Vince. So I think the heart and soul of Mötley Crüe is either Nikki or Vince
@@ryplay5430 def nikki.
I have AS and Psoriatic Arthritis, was diagnosed in my 20's......it's a life sentence of constant pain,(which itself fucks with your head). I've been a life long musician and sadly as I approach my 60's playing is getting less and less likely. Mick is an inspiration for those of us who suffer a chronic debilitating illness. God bless him......
I have RA, PSA and Fibromyalgia. I have been a,muscian since I was 6 and am mid 50s now. I have nothing but,respect for this man doing what he does with his conditions. I know the pain all too well. I have played piano all my life but for the past few years it's become less and less. It does mess with your head, and these diseases are life sentences. So bless him and you. Hang tough fellow warrior!
I have had AS problems for 50 years since I was 19.They tell ya it will burn out in your 50's but they don't tell ya that it means inflammation just burns out not all the pain and fused up joints. I manage but it requires that you get up and excercise every fucking miserable day and then find good in life where you can.
Praying that Mick Mars has plenty of years ahead where he can play his music. Hearing the state of his physical and mental health is heartbreaking. :(
Mick is definitely the best slide solo guitarist I have ever seen!!! Can't wait for his album. He said recently that he is taking his time on making this one for good reason. It will be epic!
Hope it includes Gimme Blood with John Corabi
Ever since Shout at the Devil in '83, I've been a fan! They were a big part of my youth.
I absolutely love Mick Mars guitar playing
One of my favorite 80s guitar player
I saw Motley several times, most memorable was in 1985 for Theater of Pain in Kalamazoo Michigan, I was 19 and loaded when Mick decided to toss his slide out to the audience, I was 6 ft at the time and jumped as high as I could with my hand outstretched I felt it hit my palm I came down opened my hand and screamed.
It was surreal to this kid made me smile then and now, I held it up and still remember Mick pointing his finger and nod towards me😉 I still have it to this day. Wish there was some way he could sign it. Mick you're the BEST take care my friend. ✌️
Always had huge respect for Mick. Legend! He wrote some great riffs...........and had to put up with the other three......deserves a medal for that!!
Wish they'd come to Ireland.
Mick Mars IS Motley Crue
Without him, they would never had made it
Wow!! Someone finally put out a a awesome video of one of my hero's.
Mick just has that something about him and his playing. He's a one of a kind.
And without him you have no Motley Crue. Name of sound.
He is wonderful.that illness he has is unimaginable .he must be in Absolute agony but never complains.he is a real humble guy who deserves the best.you rock Mick.👍❤️💚
You nailed it !
He made that band! Without him, they would never have made it. Dude's talent is awesome.
I never knew he had schizophrenia. That just makes him more amazing since he’s battling so much to be the axe of the crue
I wouldn't believe this site
I've been a Crue fan 35 years. I got schizophrenia in 1997 when I was 19. This is the first time I heard of Mick having it. I don't see it in him.
@@wantsome-zs5sq Take it with a grain of salt bc this video is filled with inaccuracies.
Substance abuse/addiction can cause or make a genetic tendency happen.
He never had schizophrenia... He's been there, consistent, all in one place, all the time. May be he had a few may pills one day and some Nobel prize labelled it that way. You'll never see true schizophrenics having this kind of 40 years spanning career at the top.
Mick was all the brains behind the crue
Mick Mars is the man that playes the rifs to the soundtrack of my life .I have been to 45 or so live Crue show's starting back in 85 and I am a motley fan for life and Mick is the man .I don't know how else to express the thanks I have for him holding this bunch together throughout the years he is the driving force behind motley Crue .so thank you Mick Mars for a life time of killer rock riffs and great music you are the man
I, myself being a fan of Motley Crue since day #1 appreciate this. Mick was finally spoke about as a REAL MUSICIAN, AND HUMAN BEING with REAL problems. Not just. "that short, quiet, strange old dude from Motley Crue. And especially that schizophrenia is a real problem that anyone could have (I do). But you can overcome it.
Mick Mars is truly one of the world's best guitarist ever. His talent is just so incredible and I bet he uses whatever he can to make things so awesome. He would be someone that I would love to meet. He is just so talented. Can't wait to hear the new album when it comes out.
I heard Shout at the Devil back in ( I think ) 1984 as a teen and I was hooked.
My dad had anklyosing spondylitis and knowing the pain and physical limitations it gives a person, this man's lifestyle and daily battle is a miracle.
Sorry to hear. And I very much agree with you.
My Dad has it as well and he wants to do everyday things but his body and back just say no bro
I hope you did not recieve it, as it can very much be hereditary
@@Fenderdfm thank you. And fortunately I do not suffer myself. My dad was effected in his 30s and I'm now 42.
@@bradleyspaintingllc.7177 ?
Mick has been down through there and seen the good bad and the ugly…
Mick Mars, one of the MOST underrated guitarist ever!... He really deserver a signature guitar series (B.C. Rich or a Gibson).
He was also one of my reasons to buy a B.C. Rich
Finally some love for Mick 🤘
It's about time they showed Mick some love and acknowledge him, he's an inspiration
Mick Mars guitar tone/sound in Motley Crue is the deal maker for me!
He was actually born on May 4th, 1951
some ppl. just don't get it.
I know, thanks for the correction 👍♉
@@laurastrobel718 no you didn't.
Old af😄
Love the man for continuing through all the struggles
Love Motley Crue!! Mick always seemed like the quiet one. Great upload!! 👍😊
Mick Mars is an absolutely amazing guitarist. I think he's one of the greatest guitarists on the planet.
Mick is awesome, i love his style. I love his solos, that Home sweet home solo and that Too young to fall in love solo are so cool.
I can relate to him in so many ways. I was diagnosed a couple of years ago with ankylosing spondylitis and evidently I've had it for several years. I am already starting to hunch over.The pain is unbearable sometimes and I cannot get one doctor to give me anything for pain so I can see why he turned to drugs. There are some nights when I just lay there and cry until I'm exhausted and I finally fall asleep. I go two and three days without sleeping and finally pass out from exhaustion. I completely understand about the 'opiate crisis'but there are some times when it is just cruel to let someone hurt so bad that they contemplate suicide. Your quality of life is shit and you beg for God to please take you. I have stopped seeing doctors all together because when you try to get help (something for pain) they act like it's coming out of their own stash! My heart goes out to him and I wish him all the best. 🙂
Irene I have crippling RA and polymyalgia and I have had a hip replacement and two knee replacements I know what a painful struggle it is on a daily basis. I am due for the replacement of the other hip. Be strong and keep going and may GOD be with you. You are not alone.
Why can't they give you meds for pain??? If anyone needs them it is sufferers of this disease. The medical professions have lost their humanity
i just tested positive for the HLA-B27 gene which means there is a high percentage i have a form of genetic SpA , as well as some other stuff. weighing my treatment options now before deciding in the coming weeks.
What have you tried and what do you find best for you're issues?
i am currently 24 years old , play guitar in a band all over the Chicago-land area & parts of the Midwest , for the past 6 months have been dealing with chronic pain & inflammation , i've slowly begun lifestyle changes to help this disease.
Doctors now are afraid to prescribe them. There's a stigma attached. A few years ago the DEA cracked down on prescribing, prescribers, and pharmacists. I've been on and off them for 20 years myself. If you find a pain management doctor you can trust with your well being, and they can trust you, it's an honest deal you have to make with them. I actually prefer cortisone shots and Prednisone over opiates. But yes there are days to weeks at a time I need pain meds 24/7. But can go just as long not needing anything. Best of luck to you 💜
Ankylosing spondylitis is more common than people realize I am a sufferer of painful back arthritis that could turn into that overtime.
Mick's riffs drove Motley Crue's music. I couldn't even imagine Motley's early tunes without Mick.
Mick was a big influence, that shout at the devil album just blew me away when it came out
Long life for you Mick Mars! We love u!
I just found out through this video that Mick Mars and I were born on the same day, the same year! Go "Double Nickels" - 1955! I've always been drawn to his mind-bending guitar skills. Be well, Mick, and a belated happy birthday!
Actually Mick was born in 1951
Hes my cousin. Never met him. I was told about his family through my my.late grandmother that raised me when I started playing guitar at 8 years old he's a legend.
What do you think about Mick Mars?
I love Mick. I love Mötley Crüe. They have always been my favorite band. 🖤
I think he is one of the greatest guitarists that’s so underrated and never gets enough recognition for how talented he is!!
Mick is the reason I picked up the guitar back in 1983. He is my main influence. I've been a Crue fan since Too Fast For Love was released. Mick is an amazing guitarist and a visionary musician. Long live Mick Mars!!!
@@denal0u assume
@@roosterj2599 I too have been a big fan of Crue since Too Fast For Love and I also got to see them in concert. If Mick is your influence then you must be able to play a mean guitar 🎸 I just really hate that Mick has to deal with so much pain from his back. I know all about back pain and I’ve had 3 back surgeries and I still have pain and discomfort. I give him all the credit in the world for getting up on that stage night after night and still kicking ass while in pain.
Mick Mars to me, is the best guitarist out there. His riffs are legendary. As alot of comments have said, without him there is no Motley Crue. They are spot on!
Mick is a true rock star and legend
He’s amazing I’ve always admired him. And his talent awesome guy!!!
Such an underrated guitar player . He’s honestly in my top 3 . Even though Nikki wrote great songs and Tommy is a great drummer . Mick really carried that band instrumentally .
Thanks for all the Music and helping us through life with it! Without sounding corny..We love you Mick! Seen your first and what I thought was your farewell show, but thank god it looks like you got more coming for us!!
I think he's a great guitarist and underrated. Every MC concert I've been to he has put on spectacular solos.
Mick Mars needs more recognition.he is silent shredder.will always be my favorite guitarist .Mick you rock hard
Mick Mars when he plays is monsterous its like a wall of guitars sound. Always loved his tone .
Definitely my personal favorite guitarist!
Mick is the real deal! No pun intended 😉 A true rock star is someone like him that pushes through the pain and perseveres! HUGE respect. Saw him kill it on tour this summer and stood watching in awe how this guy just gets up there and does it again tour after tour. Man it must be hard. I think he gave his all and no one could or should have any complaint against him!!!
Mick Mars is a legend in so many ways, but to live in pain for decades and to get up on stage every night when touring and giving it 100% knowing that he only has 50% in the tank. He never goes on and on about his health issues as he is a gentle man and a man of pride.
Thanks for this video
Mick is one of my favorite influences in music
I graduated in 81 so I was always listening to metal but Mick kick started my heart
Thanks for this mick
Mick mars is higher than a god when it comes to guitars
I always loved Mick just for his ready to party style personality and even moreso for his brutal guitar riffs especially the early stuff off too fast for love 🤟
I never really got into Crue or the 80’s metal scene but as a decades long amateur guitarist, I think Mars is the best pure player of that entire era that I’ve ever heard.
Hear me out... Mick Mars and Willie Nelson. Country album. I'd buy it.
Fuck that. Mick and Willy: Hair metal album.
Also, he really shined on the self titled album from 1994. It's a shame they didn't soldier on with that line-up.
Mick Mars is the nicest guy on the freaking planet. He is a true one of a kind, protect Mick Mars at all costs. 🔥
hey Bob this is Paul Ruiz I hope you remember me you played bass for our band back in the day I didn't know you by mick Mars until I was told it was you I'm glad you made it wow my brother tony told me stay in there bron
The festival wasn't called Heavy Metal Day. It was Heavy Metal Day at the US Festival.
That was a great day!
I know right
Love Mick Mars the other band members may fight with one another but I know if anybody ever messed with MlckThey were doomed
Mick Mars is so underrated! He is the real Deal! No pun intended
Mick is awesome
Very interesting. I thought he was that way because he just stayed so engrossed with his guitar. I have lost 2 inches in height but that is due to Thoracic Spine Fractures at T2, T3, T6, T8, T9, and T10. So I understand his pain.
I was introduced to Motley Crue in Pensacola, FL at the age of 9, in 1990. Someone had spray painted "Motley Crue" on the outside of a gas station wall. My Granny took me to the mall not long after that. Bought a Motley Crue Cassette Tape. The rest is history.
One of my greatest guitarist. Greetings from the Fiji 🇫🇯 Islands September 2020.
Mick Mars is a Great guitar player definitely influential!
Mick mars is one of my favorite guitarists of all time! He is incredible.
AMEN I'm praying for this wonderful Daddy !!!☦️🙏❤️🇺🇲 GOD bless him always. Philadelphia USA
It doesn't surprise me one bit that Mick started out Country.
As a guitarist of 41 years myself,..I can hear, not just the blues, but the Country influence in his playing.
God Bless ya Mick!
Can we just accept that Mick Mars is t he coolest guitar player of the genre!!!!
HI THERE THIS WAS SENT TO ME BY MY FRIEND IM STORMY MICKS DAUGHTER AND I APPRECIATE YOU ARE 💯TRUTHFUL NO LIE HERE!! THANK U ❤️ REALLY 👽🎸
Your dad is hands down the most bad ass mysterious guitarists out there definitely the most talenteted member of the Crue! Take care
@@guskuratle7898 thanks so much appreciate 🙏 You Rok 🎸 U take care aswell
I’ve always idolized Mick. You never hear about his work like you do these other musicians. Without his iconic playing there would be no Motley Crue
Mick is the Clue. Without him, there wouldn’t be a Crue. I know his pain….I have RA, and if it’s anywhere like that pain, then it’s hell.
On a lighter note: 2:22 look at that package!
My best friend that I grew up with is best friends with Mick’s daughter. They had tickets to go see Motley Crue and even had back stage tickets. Well the concert was canceled because of the virus.
Hi there I'm stormy micks Daughter do we know each other?
@G Zeus nope I'm the read deal.. u the troll
@@stormydealsherok1313 hello there stormy. How are you?
@@stormydealsherok1313 you certainly have his eyes. I bet you hear that all the time don't you?
@@darylyuille7936 hi there
🖤 Your gonna be missed Mick Mars thank you for your beautiful proformance throughout my life and most of all your music but please don't have any regrets about Retiring love ya! from one of your fans. 🖤
The cool thing about Mick Mars is his singular commitment to playing guitar. That's all he does and he's a zen guitar master because of it. Regardless if you like their music or not, Mars deserves to be taken seriously as a player.
I love motley crue I've seen them 38 times I partied with them in peoria I'll 84 there great guys can't wait for the new tour love mick Mars ❤️ ♥️ 😍 💕
Wow Ive seen them 13 times and I thought that was alot...
Bad-ass guitarist.
Your one of my favorite musician who gave me some kind of faith in god bless you guys always
He held onto that dream for 40 years. So happy he did
I wonder why the rest of the band wanted to get rid of Mick once the band started gaining popularity?? It probably has everything to do with looks. They wanted another young, attractive dude in the band. That's the only thing I can think of because Mick is an amazing guitarist and a cool guy.
Mick Mars is the only lead guitarist who is the 4th most popular member in a rock band.
How would you rank them in popularity
@@gorgoroth6072 I’d say it would go Tommy, Nikki, Vince, Mick
I put Nikki ahead of Vince cuz he was the main character in “Dirt” and he has a radio show…Vince just gets fatter.
@@SuperGaleford id rank em the same way, and yeah plus nikki is the "leader" of the band so definitely above vince
@@gorgoroth6072 it’s a weird dynamic but it worked for them for a long time even after grunge had all but taken over rock music