EVE Online: How to Fit a Stealth Bomber for Solo PvP (Nemesis/Manticore)
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In today’s video, I review two damage-based fits for the Gallente Nemesis stealth bomber (though similar fits could easily apply to the Caldari Manticore as well). Both of these fittings are intended to apply good DPS to a range of targets from cruisers and miners to battleships and structures. The first fit is basic and easily adaptable to lower SP with CPU mods or T2 to T1 replacements. The second fit is significantly more expensive and difficult, but yields massive damage output. Both fits are augmented by my CPU and missile implants, and could be further improved with better implants and/or boosters.
These stealth bomber fittings are designed around solo and small gang PvP, primarily in wormhole space and lowsec systems. Due to the proliferation of intelligence channels and gatecamps throughout nullsec, I do not generally advise roaming PvP for single bombers. This fit also skips the option of a bomb launcher since they are prohibited in lowsec and hard to resupply in w-space roams.
Follow along with CHANCE RAVINNE, the EVE Online alter ego of WINGSPANTT. As CEO of the fastest-growing covert ops corporation (WINGSPAN Delivery Services) he's exploring deep space and shipping torpedoes directly into other players' hulls. Subscribe today for more videos about exploration, stealth bombers, and hilarious roleplaying fun!
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9 years later ebook still available. thank you sir
Excellent video... Everyone should be reminded that whatever stealth bomber your choose (Manticore, Nemesis, Purifier, Hound), you must use the torpedo associated with the damage multiplier of that specific ship. Such as Manticore / kinetic damage multiplier (scourge missiles). Otherwise, you will not even get close to the amount of DPS Chance has in this video.
+M. Annotti thank you!
Wing, this was your BEST video. Very informative, and very helpful! I've made significant improvements on my bomber DPS as a result of your shared insights.
That was actually really educational.. Especially the stuff about sig radius. I really learn more about the principles used in Eve.
That was super video. You pointed out things I had no clue about causing me to re think my fit. Thanks!
that clap at 25:27 was perfect :D Came back to eve only because of your videos. Hope to fly with you at some point.
Helpful Hint:
Synth Crash Booster reduces missile explosion radius by 3% with no side effects.
I don't know if you guys have ever realised, but the named target painters are all names that way for a reason, look at the first letter of each word. This is the list from meta 1-4
PWN
PWND
PWNT
PWNAGE
You're welcome.
Impressive. Here I am, a bitter vet, and I am learning basic things I never knew! Bravo! It is your attention to detail that will make us all better!
o7
Having watched all your vids since I found them yesterday, I have to admit to thinking on coming back to EVE. I spent 5 years in hs an 0.0 an miss the game now I watched ally our stuff :). I did alot of solo SB work in outer ring an was never too successful, this though looked great fun. Nice work mate keep up the great work:)
I been waiting for this u dont have idea brother thanx for the tips amd hopefully soon u can be part od ur delivery agents!
This was a really helpful video! I notice that some of the details and items available are different nowadays - would you consider making an updated version of this video?
I'm definitely looking forward to delivering some torpedoes to capsuleers in my area!
I have a suggestion from my extensive experience soloing with a stealth bomber, Purifier.
Go afterburner and have some signature radius reduction implants. I even had drugs to lower my signature even more. Also I had a medium shield extender. Faction ammo and you are set to go. They never went through my shield and even if they did with a drones, my shield and armor held long enough for me to kill them.
Important thing is that you pick a proper bomber for the region you are in. I went Purifier because people tanked ratts with their shield (kinetic/thermal), but their EM was very low.
oh yes, gotta love the look of that stealthy torpedo bomber.
These new Launchers are Bloody insane, im only getting back into eve after a year off. i will need to check them out when i get a chance,
Keep up the Delivery Vids they are Awesome,
This video showed me what the compare tool does. Thanks for that!
did't know about that rig thing, thanks man
Im new to eve, Alpha clone. I want to fly these ships pretty bad when I can go Omega. Thanks for the video, the Nemesis is so cool to me.
Much better than your last fitting video. Deliver on Wayne!
I must say, I flew a Stealth bomber, got the bomber's bar fit years ago and I never had any idea how or why I should fit what I did. Long hiatus and then a new corp mate told me about you, (actually a couple guys you ganked) Searched you up, learned a BUNCH and started kicking ass. Thanks man I really enjoy your antics, your letters, and your willingness to help others sneak around and deliver torpedoes. :)
I have a question,
I can't find any updated guides on bomb bays, any pointers or thoughts for hard points and fire and forget ? markers,warp scramblers etc. ?
thanks for the fits wingspan!
Is there any way I can see all of Chance's skills? Cus for some reason I'm only getting about 300 dps...
That was super video. You pointed out things I had no clue about causing me to re think my fit. Thanks! Ever consider using a bomb bay?
Hi Wing. I was wondering if you could cover how to properly track targets and properly use combat scanners in one of oyur videos ?
can I use the same fitting for the Purifier? :)
how come my dps is 222 without the ballistic control while you have 300+ dps? i already have torpedo specialization to level 4 . only thing i can think of is i have no missile implants but will that give that much more dps? hmmm i cant figure this out
The best thing to use is called Eve Droid. it's an app for ur phone that tells u the fitting of ships, what damage it will do with ur recent skill level and also how the fitting will look/operate so you know before you just go for it.
How does this advice change with the new missile modules recently released? Plans to update your book with information and advice on them?
Hey is there a view of the character go into the pod and being loaded on to a ship. It would be great to see this for the first time. Ask Eve about this I spreading the request around.
what Cybernetics do you use?
So I know the vid is old but currently (2019) I have the first fit in a simulated fitting. I'm using all t2's. The only difference is I have two T2 catalysts rigs. Adding a WD puts me at -25.7 cpu. Do I have to run a cpu rig? Or down grade some t2 mods. Oh and yes my cpu skills are all lvl 5
i notice your capacitor depletes in 00:48 and mine depletes in 00:30 i followed your bling build to the letter, im guessing it has something to do with skills? and at the end there you said the blind build probably wont be worth it because of the capacitor instability. . .im aiming to get my capacitor skills up to 4 as a bare minimum (my implants are improved +5 to the stat so not sure if ur implants affect the capacitor) my damage is less than your blind version aswell and again im working on skills to improve that, 60 days away :/
Been waiting for this!!
I dimly recall someone showing, that multiple target painters do not increase the signature radius as much as you would expect. You lose 50% efficiency for each extra painter applied.
Hey Chance, a Stratios and maybe Astero fitting Video would be awesome...
Wingspan can you please do a new video about fitting for the current meta?
Hey I am trying to make this fit work with my newly bought Nemesis and I am noticing that even with max cpu skills I do not have as much as you do. Are you using any implants to make the cpu go above 400 because I am stuck at ~390?
Yes I do have a 3% implant.
In my opinion, the SB is the best Frigate for solo PvP, as it does a good bit of DPS, it's invisible and doesn't cost too much in the long run. People just need to learn how to use it properly. Good job Wingspan.
do u guys still have that chat channel in game?
you lost more isk destroying the rigs then the actual ship haul costs.
This is an accurate assessment.
did that on purpose, just to show the difference between the *rigged* and *riggless explosion radius*
Does wingspan exist in ee?
"You need your torpedo launchers to fire torpedos"
- Quality stuff
Noticed you're stationed in Amarr. WHASSUUUPPP HOMIE. :D
Why MWD and not AB? I know you talked about it on the video but expand a bit. The difference of speed is not worth the CPU penalty, or is it? An AB would get you to close 1km/s which is enough to run from anything at 30km distance. No?
Hi Wingspan. I know this video tutorial is a bit dated now but pls can I ask how even playing EVE ONLINE today with that type of SB fit you can use the MWD effectively with x2 TP and a Warp disruptor against an opponent within the time it takes for your CAP to run out. Sorry if I am asking something I should know if I am wanting to fly an SB properly but I also end up with about 40 secs of CAP time if I was to use this fit or similar with the MWD running. Even if I switch off MWD I think I can only engage for just over 1 min with both the WD and x2 TP's running before I am out of CAP. Is this a normal amount of time you should expect prior to uncloaking to engage a target before either destroying them , being destroyed yourself or using the MWD to try to get the hell out of there so you dont get destroyed?
The MWD is primarily for single burst range control, or to bypass gatecamps and wormhole bubble camps, or burning tactical bookmarks. Most of the time if you engage you will have the element of surprise + range control. As such you don't usually need MWD more than 1 or 2 bursts in a fight. The TPs are not that big of a drain, but depending on target you might only need 1 anyway. They are there so you can burst down your target ASAP. If the fight goes on more than 1.5 minutes you are probably dead or can't break their tank!
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I was looking around for stealth bomber fits, and I saw everyone is using
Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, even if others have less cycle time, could someone tell my why?
M.
+Manuel V It's just the cheapest ones out there, also use less CPU. That's my guess.
I am looking at 2 painters with a loading bay accelerator VS 1 target painter and a signal booster with a Rigor Catalyst. The accelerator adds more on paper DPS, but what say you, oh wise one? Love the videos! Always an honor receiving a delivery, Sir.
Rigor Catatlyst is better than Accelerator or Warhead Catalyst in 85% of scenarios. Also what's a signal booster? Do you mean a sensor booster?
Yes, a Sensor Booster II with a scan res script with one target painter is what I was using. I'll swap the accel for the Rigor Catalyst, thanks Chance!
So going to skill up for a Manticore and do torpedo delivery myself! Pew pew!
Do 1mn microwarpdrives still exist? I can't seem to find them! If you know the answer to this a response would be greatly appreciated!
+Matt Garrison They are now 5mn
can you do a rebalance update ?
Hey Wingspan! I was wondering if you are still applying for people in your corp :D I would love to get into stealth bombing as I've hardly done PVP before :)
What skills do you train to get the signature radius down?
You use implants to do that and boosters.
thank you for keeping local chat on the screen! i used one of the isk doubling services i saw on there and made 2 billion isk in just 10 minutes!
Lol that's nothing. I gave one of them 5 billion ISK from PLEXs I bought in real life, and they turned it into 15 billion! Chribba can suck on this.
is this build still any good?
Hi Chance. Nice video and great pdf for a newbie looking to get into the Torp Delivery service. Question for you; I've tried a EFT build and Navy Inferno are now (Dec-15) only showing 870 damage not the 1221 shown here (@4.41) and on all V, EFT shows only 285 DPS with your build. Did something get nerf batted or is EFT wrong?
+Mark Richards Nothing got nerfed... check these things: Did you use implants? Did you load the right type of torpedo?
+WINGSPAN TT Fixed: Note to self (and others) - each faction gives a bonus to damage type - so don't EFT warrior fit Navy Inferno in a Manticore.
o7
what about the ballistic mids with precision scripts?
when I was out hunting frigates/destroyers solo I just had two TPs and two precision script enhancers. made for a tiny explosion radius and could 1 shot most frigates or 3 shot a t2 destroyer. only downside was I was just playing on the idea they'd die before warping
Maximus Joseppi Well id do the same with either one less target painter or ballistic. Depends on the Stats after i remove one.
I would like to ask uhm, do you still play the game and is there a way how to join your cause? :D
Gonna do this. Thanks.
Almost exactly how my Manticore is set up, but with the Manticore's extra CPU, you can fit a second Torp rig. BOOM :)
how do you decide which systems to deliver your torps?
Mostly by Chance.
Hey WINGSPAN. I'm using this to fit my first Manticore out. I'm finding after done, (using a Small Processor Overclocking Unit I as I don't quite have Weapon upgrades V to get that CPU that hair lower) I'm only at 239.9 DPS. I have Torpedos V, 2x Ballistic Control System II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedos in 3 Prototype Arbalest launchers.
What am I doing wrong? Would you be willing to give a noob a hand?
Each bomber is bonused to only one type of torpedo. Inferno is for Nemesis ONLY! Use Scourge torpedoes!
@@wingspantt thanks! I dropped by your corp's public channel and a few people there gave me a hand.
Well man you're moving on up.
1 launcher uses 1750 of the power grid? so at this moment i cant even fit one of them, so is there a way where i can increase my maximum power grid enoigh so i can fit 3 of those 3 launchers?
+XDAnimatie Billie SB grant a roll reduction of PG requires to fit them.
+XDAnimatie Billie stealth bombers get a 99.6% reduction in pg needs for a torpedo launcher. So whilst it will shown that it cant fit, it will fit on.
''No rigs were harmed in the making of this video.'' Oh wait...
It's pretty painfull to watch all those rigs gettting destroyed. Please consider doing your next fitting videos either on a external program or on SISI.
P.S. Love your videos, can't wait to see the next one. Looking at zkillbord it looks like there was a lot of action today in J164921!
The pain makes the video more memorable.
Subbed. I wanna fly Stealth Bombers now.
I can not fit torpedoe launchers. It says it requires a crazy amount of power for just one. Why is that?
What are you trying to fit them on?
Thanks for the response but I figured it out. o7
Wingspan I have flown covop Astero in exploration and I am pretty good at the stealth part of this thing, but I have never been the attacking one of pvp. (pve is a different story) So do you (or anyone) have any tips for pvp in a stealth bomber?
I have a few tips; they're in that 36 page book I wrote about it!
hey hello there well I am trying to make different fittings for my gnosis... and a fitting that includes 1 or 2 torpedoes does call my interest... another one that I am trying to make is one where the gnosis is a logi... and its roll is to fix its own drones... this for pve... ofcourse... as I don't do pvp.... the goal there is to have the ship MJD to 100km and use 2 drone link augmenters... 3 remote rep... armor/hull/shields and use small augmented drones mid drones and perhaps even long range sentry drones... phased target painter and target disruptor to aid the drones from afar... a long range targeting device would be needed yet the ship has a ton of ways to be configured... the thing that worries me is the cpu... this may be fixed with some cpu extenders... the final goal is to have the gnosis with something like 3 or 5 fits for different roles...
What kind of Torps/Missiles should i use against frigs and Destroyers?
+The Fullmetal Titan Trying to kill a destroyer in a bomber is total suicide. I would not try to engage any frigate unless it's an exploration frigate. For that you can use rockets or torpedoes with 2x painter, 2x rigor cats
Makes sense, thank you for the reply!
Wingspan did you loose this yet? where's the kill mail?
Chance, wouldnt it be better to fit a webifier instead of 1 TP? This would increase average damage output.
Yes, but being in scram and web range is very dangerous
Here's a copyable version of the fit described up to 14:30 in the video, made with EFT.
[Nemesis, Wingspan TT]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Warp Disruptor II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo
Core Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe /OFFLINE
Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo
Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing II
You should've totally used the RSS probes. There's no better way of screaming 'I haz them moniez" in the W-space. ;)
Also: nicely done. o/
How come I only get 280 dps fully fitted cold? What do I need to skill up to increase my dps?
Good skills? Missile implants? Using the right torpedoes?
do you have covert ops skilled up its crazy 15% damage per skill level
Ruston Young Yes, Covops V. It is a long train but once you have all relevant skills to IV it is the most rewarding level V train.
Out of curiosity, how are you funding your pvp adventures? Exploration (data or relic sites) in low/null sec? Spoils of torpedo deliveries?
No, trial referrals.
WINGSPAN TT Wow, nice.
WINGSPAN TT also I'll say thanks for the fun vids and convincing me to rejoin eve after a several year hiatus
Will this fit match a manticore as well? im not sure what differences there are between the two.
Everything but the charges, a Manticore gets kinetic bonus (Scourge) whereas this one gets a Thermal (Inferno) damage bonus.
Alright, so just switch missiles to caldari navy scourge torpedoes?
Yep then you'll be set.
Manti can be quite easily fit with a non-sister probe launcher online as it has a little bit more base CPU. I'd still recommend to use sister probes though.
And let we talk about lock speed, before fire you need to lock, like frigate how much sec to lock on it. Than, let's talk about torpedos speed explosive velocity, that do affects damage of targeting ship. If targeting ship higher velocity than explosive velocity than damage decreased. That's mean in sample you targeting frig, lock on them until you lock on them he's use ab up to 1600 m/s you won't do full dps on him.
Did they nerf the bombers? Mine does around half the dps as his.
+XxlildramaxX No it hasn't been nerfed. Odds are your skills are very low OR you are using the wrong type of torpedo.
I also like the guy talking in local about CODE's sociopathic and psychotic tendencies.
When i was solo roaming with y bomber, i always got a movbile depot and a full set of module in my cargo like rocket, torpedo, scramble, multiple web, disruptor, combat probe and stuff like that, so i could always refit myself for a potentiel fight
I used to actually carry bombs when I did that and didn't have room in my cargo hold for all that shit.
its annoying that with nothing but launchers and torps fit he has 330 dps, fully fit mine only does 250 :/
How did you get that much cpu?
Nevermind, I just saw that CPU only changes once you board.
Now i'm so pumped about bombers. The problem is, for now i'm skilled only with hybrids ;/ What minimum missle skills i need to make flying SB viable ?
That's rough, because there are a lot. Instead of listing specific skills I'd say your goal should be to get at least 400 DPS.
Alternatively you could train towards flying a Lachesis recon ship, which uses hybrids and is getting a bunch of buffs in about 2 weeks.
Did they increase the power use of the launchers?
I cant fit one
Okay I think that was just a bug. It said the launcher needs 1750 power but i could fit it
Stealth bombers have a special bonus to reduce fitting requirements of torpedo launchers.
Dude it's not a bug. Did you even read the bonuses for the stealth bombers?
how is he getting that much dps? ik he must have implants but on my simulated mantacore im getting around 250 dps at most with the same fit and kinetic torps
What is your level of Covert Ops skill?
@@wingspantt ok now that you say this I see my mistake, just a newbie looking at a simulated manticore thinking about getting into stealth bombing. I didn't realize the covert ops skill boosted damage by that much :P
Dude, I am a new player that has recently joined as a caladari a couple of weeks ago. Got any tips? A Corp maybe? Any and all response would be appreciated.
Brave Newbies is a popular starting corporation.
Eve University is a great place to start, you can learn more about them, find good guides and learning material on their site www.eveuniversity.org/
I like your new Intro
Hi WINGSPAN, I know this video is old and your pretty busy, but I was wondering how applicable this fit is for current EvE gameplay. Thanks!
+FlightEvolution still totally applicable for solo roaming hunting
Thanks so much for the reply! il be in bombers bar soon enough XD
FlightEvolution Well i See No reason why this shouldnt Work anymore...as Long as there are people to Catch this works
I noticed that the polarized launchers have a power grid usage of 1785... so how can they fit.. frustraiting me that I can't fit them but i'm seeing them fit to your ship... implants??
Stealth bomber has a bonus that reduces torpedo launcher fitting requirements. It won't LOOK like it fits, but it fits.
Could you make an updated guide? I am trying to get into stealh bombing and I have nowhere near the CPU that i need for this setup. Even though my rig currently has more max CPU than your ship.
Nothing has changed since I made this video re: fitting. Most likely you need to train much higher fitting skills and/or use a CPU implant.
well i can fit my T2 highs and lows. And I have A T1 afterburner and scram leaving me with 26.3 CPU left for 1 target painter. My buddy was suggesting that I use 1 painter and 1 dampener which is even harder to fit since they require even more CPU than a second painter. Also for rigs the extra CPU needed for the torpedo launchers puts me way over. would it be worth it to get a CPU rig as well?
Can you share your exact fit? And what are your fitting skills at? And sure, it can't hurt to take a 3% CPU implant.
Looks like my bomber :)
I know you stated this in your video but I've been fail-ganked by so many stealth bombers I have to repeat it. DAMAGE IS NOT EVERYTHING!!! Let me explain:
Torpedoes ( like all missiles) rely on something called blast radius. The goal for max torpedo effectiveness is to have your blast radius match your targets signature radius. That is the point of the target painters and rigs. If your torpedoes do 3000 damage and have a blast radius of 400m, then if you try to attack anything with less than 400m signature radius, you WILL NOT do all 3000 points. Just this morning I was in a brutix navy issue and was attacked by 2 nemesis bombers. They barely hit my armor and they both had to run because I nearly blew one up. There is a big difference between sitting in a stealth bomber and actually killing with it. I used this video to become a stealth bomber 8 months ago and I gave up last month because I could never find any targets I could take on and live.
Best Channel!!!!
hehe. Your website looks awesome dude! :]
I'm thinking i've missed a skill or something, my dps is only 260 :(
Send me a screenshot of your missile skill list.
Hey Chance! Nice vid. Listen Mate, I was wondering if you might work on coming up with a Stealth FIGHTER fit, using a bomber hull??? Can it be done??? You see, I love the scanner recalibration time of 0 with the bombers... and its something you don't get with any other hull, short of Black Ops. I'd love to have a solo boat that can take on dessies ... maybe other frigates? So yeah, I'm throwing down a challenge to you 8) ... keep up the good work Mate, see you in space! BTW.. I'm a subscriber so you should really want to do this! LOL...
You can fit small blasters on any bomber and it works well against explorer fits (cov ops/asteros etc) and such. Manticore or nemesis with ab, med asb, web scram and blasters can kill most frigates it takes by surprise. Obviously that is not the case against a combat frig that is ready for them.
You want a stealth bomber that can solo destroyers? Not really sure that is possible. If you use unbonused weapons you won't be able to do enough damage, and the bombers aren't agile enough to control range.
Yes please. I want. Can you do it? I've some success with a scram kite rocket buzzard but it doesn't have the 0 recal time. Maybe it can't be done.. just figured I'd ask
Where're the bombs?
What am I doing wrong? I can't even fit one cruise launcher without the power grid going over by 1300... It is messing with my head... I have over 13.6 million sp's so I don't get it.
Stealth Bombers provide a fitting reduction bonus for torepdo launchers... and that's it! You can't fit any medium or heavy missile launchers to them except torpedoes!
So this video is out of date?
No
No, you fit TORPEDO launchers, not Cruise.
Used to be able to fit cruise launchers, but that was back when EVE was fun.
I thought that stacking debuffs have diminishing returns (think about stacking webifiers, target speed does not go to zero). So two target painters should not give you double the effect.
Wingspan drained all his modules and charges when he went off and did some deliveries