This ENDS It - V2 Ascaso Duo Steel PID Review
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The V2 Ascaso DUO Steel seems like a home run, PID, preinfusion, unlimited steam, more power and customizability than the original but where does this machine compromise? The comprehensive review for the Ascaso Duo espresso machine is here.
In this video, I'll walk you through the strengths and soft spots of this machine and help you decide if this is the best for your kitchen and your coffee.
As of right now the Duo Plus model is EU only, as is the steam handle upgrade kit.
This video was not approved or sponsored by Ascaso or Espresso Parts.
0:00 - Intro
0:30 - Disclaimer
1:19 - First Impressions
2:01 - Two Thermocoils are Better Than One
2:30 - Features Galore
4:42 - V2 vs V1: How Do They Differ?
6:12 - Features Ctd
7:45 - Proceed with Caution: CONS of the Duo
10:56 - Are Boilers Dead? Thermocoil Future
14:09 - Final Thoughts
Still remember your v1 review and am really considering it now. This one came right on time!! You sir, are a SAINT!
So happy to help!
I sort of unknowingly bought this. I knew I wanted an Ascaso machine for a few years and I finally bit the bullet. When it came around Christmas last year I noticed it looked a bit different from what I remembered and I didn’t realize until watching this video that it was the v2😂 I absolutely love it. I’ve been a barista for seven years so bringing all that experience and preference to a home machine can be intimidating especially when you spend as much as you do on one. This did not disappoint. I had tempered expectations and I was ready to loosen my standards on what my espresso would taste like but this really didn’t let me down in any area. It feels great to use. Looks great. I love showing it off when we have people over. And best of all I have the best coffee every morning, afternoon, and night thanks to this amazing machine. Ascaso really cares about the products they make and I’m thankful for my machine every day.
Which settings do you use? Temp, Pressure and do you use Preinfusion?
You drink coffee morning, afternoon, and at night. Do you even sleep bro
Such a Snazzy unit. Was waiting for your take! It's so cool to see more of your work elsewhere from some of these partnerships/contract work too.
Thank you!
You were the first coffee creator I saw use this machine and have been intrigued ever since. It's definitely eye candy! Loved the review and I'd definitely consider it when the time comes to get a new machine.
Thanks for the encouragement Steven! I really appreciate it! And yes, eye candy it is!
The release of this video was perfectly timed! I've been researching machines and the Uno and Duo are both on my short list. Your video answered all my lingering questions. The Duo Plus would be even more amazing though! Please let us know if you find out it'll be available in the US. I sure would be happy to hear that! Thanks!
Glad it was helpful! And I will!
Same here, the plus has a few value added upgrades plus the wood steam level improves an already good looking machine.
@DaddyGotCoffee love your videos. Can’t wait to receive my ascaso steel duo v2. I ordered it mid-December from Cafe Fabrique, but the color I want has been out of stock. Getting very anxious. Your videos are setting me up for success as a newbie when info get it though! Thank you.
FYI: Please note that this 20Amp issue is only because you are 110v in the US. The EU which uses 220-240v a single standard outlet is more than sufficient. EG: Max 'single' outlet in UK is 13Amps_hense 13a x 230v = 2990 watts max. In US 20a x 110v = 2200 watts so the normal 15Amp outlets would not provide the sufficient capacity at max 1650 watts. The ASCASO DUO reqs approx 2100 watts to run both thermocoils.
This is also true why electric kettles are more popular over here (in UK) due to their fast boil times/higher power reqs. It would take x2 the time to boil in the US even using a 20A outlet as most kettles are 2000-3000-ish watts draw.
I have this V2 and I gotta say it is everything and more a home barista/espresso lover needs! Packed with features and really lovely to look at!
Would 100% recommend it!
over the micra?
One thing I really enjoy and nobody talk about is the fact that you can change the steam temperature. Lower temperature equal less power, and this is pretty useful when you want to steam a little amount of milk in a small pitcher. For exemple I steam 60ml of milk in a 200ml pitcher for a cortado and I don't have to spill milk everywhere. That's a nice feature.
This is really a nice use case for this feature, totally agreed!
I've been using this for almost a year now. I absolutely love it! Power hasn't been an issue since it's 240V here in Europe. I agree that volumetric programming issue is annoying, I rather just weigh each shot and go by what my scale tells me.
Another (small) thing I wish I could do is exchange the steaming knob with the lever from the Baby T. To me, that lever looks just as good and controls the power of the steam wand a lot better than the knob.
What does the Steel Duo sound like when pulling an espresso. Does it use a vibration pump?
So since I am in Europe, too, I wont need another plug or sth? My wall socket just has two holes. :o
I bought this machine after a lot of research and have been using it for 6 months. My thoughts to potential buyers...
1) Overall, there is no machine which matches performance, features and price with my styling and speed (fast) preferences
2) the first machine I was sold was a grey import with a 3 pin adapter - it blew my RCD every time I switched it on. Maybe a fault on the machine but I sent it back and replaced it with a machine which had been converted to run on 230v and with a 3-pin (I am in UK), it now works perfectly.
3) my only gripe is vibration - it is strong. This means that the integrated cup warmer (don't think this is mentioned in review) cannot really be used as cups rattle too much. Also, smaller cups can shift whilst pulling a shot - so a coffee scale with rubber mat is necessary.
Hey Daniel, I’m looking at importing one from Europe from 30 coffee, will I have the same issue you had with the plug?
Great video! I am stuck choosing between this and the Breville Dual Boiler.
Also a great machine!
It's a marvelous machine. I tried to buy one as a gift recently but it was out of stock everywhere so O ended up getting a Lelit Elizabeth ii on discount. Turns out she preferred the industrial design 😄
This has been my dream machine for quite some time. It just checks all my boxes and my wife seems to like it too :D I know that it is not too expensive for what it is, but it unfortunately is way over my current budget as a student. I hope to someday be able to afford it, probably after I graduate and find a job, lol. Thanks for the video, great as always!
It’s not crazy expensive but it’s still expensive! Don’t rush on this, keep saving. Technology is always improving and costs dropping. By the time you have saved enough there may very well be superior option out there! I cut my teeth for YEARS on cheap manual direct levers, and I’m glad I did because I learned so much!
I'm not a student anymore, but I have the same issue. I'm on a barista express + niche, and the niche definitely broke the budget.
Also my whole house is 15 amp circuits and I'm afraid of what the electrician would charge to upgrade (my kitchen is the furthest spot in the house from my electric box).
This is definitely my next upgrade, it just may be a few years.
@@DaddyGotCoffee FYI - There is the Ascaso Dream PID and for someone that does not quite have the money - the Dream PID (which I have) does everything this machine does with the exception of instant steam. It only takes a minute for the steam to produce. I usually ramp up the steam as I fill my pitcher with milk and get my cup and thermometer ready. For the difference in money you can not beat it, and it is a beautiful machine. I have been using mine now for almost 4 years, so it does hold up.
I've had the V2 machine since it first dropped in Dec 2022 thanks to your review of the V1. Been an absolute dream and workhorse making 2-3 drinks per day every day. Zero complaints about it honestly, and it gets many compliments whenever guests come over. Can't recommend it enough, no regrets even with the high-ish price tag
Do you also have a gap on the left side when you put the portafilter in the machine and twist to the right position?
@@youtubeaccount7137 I can't say that I do, no. Are you saying that there's a gap where the portafilter makes contact with the brew head on your machine?
@@DylanLasich04 only when i lock the portafilter by pushing it from left to right
@youtubeaccount7137 interesting, definitely not an issue on mine. If you just got yours, I'd try to return and exchange it if you can. Sounds like it shouldn't have even made it past QA before leaving the factory.
@@DylanLasich04 thanks I will contact the shop
Was hesitant with the Duo V2 due to the 20a plug requirement
NOT an issue for us Canucks!
We get a 15a connection
That pretty much has bumped this unit to the top of my list
Yup! That was changed in the last number of months. Great news for Canadians!
Thanks for your great reviews, I am going to get the Ascaso Baby T for a small coffee shop and was thinking of getting the Duo for catering, what is your take on that? Thank you
Hi :) love this video ❣️ what will be your first choice for a milk frother ?
I didn't even realize i got the V2 when i used your code. I've had this machine for about a year and absolutely love it. The only thing i would change is the smooth round steam control is not great. I almost want to glue a rubber band to increase my grip on it
Glad you enjoy it! The new Plus model has the lever instead - they are also selling upgrade kits although they are not in North America yet!
I got around the supply problem by buying just the walnut wood handle piece and carefully shaving off the end with the hole at a very steep angle (leaving a slight notch for the handle to align with the thickness of the existing round walnut knob) and attached it with the cut surface going almost completely across the diameter of the face of the circular round knob. It's permanently glued on and looks very professional, matching perfectly with the round knob. It reminds me of a wooden oven knob in shape but only with a joystick handle sticking up. LOVE IT!!! Hint: I got it aligned first with a hot glue gun to make sure I got the on/off angle right and then used wood glue. SUPER DOABLE!@@DaddyGotCoffee
Ive got the V2 is amazing looks great and matched it with the Fiorenzato All ground grinder in white and walnuts looks and works amazingly together!
Yeah I have to agree that is a bangin combo
@@DaddyGotCoffee have you heard of anyone modifying the steam knob on the v1/2 as I'd prefer to change it to a lever like on the baby T??
@@whitegoose5939 Ascaso released a kit for this recently but it is still becoming widely available. There are more parts than you would think to change because the knob requires a lot more travel than the wand in order to fully open the valve
I laughed when you informed us of the Duo Plus because I never feel satisfied when I order new expensive items like this. Also completely agree with Ascaso’s scaling issue. When paying $1700 for a machine, I would like to at least get it within a week maybe 2 not 2+ months for order date. Also the Error message issue has me scared, I’ll try to think positively, but sometimes I just have that type of bad luck…
Anywho great review! My takeaways were:
- I’m glad I ordered it in Black because I know I’ll like this machine whenever it arrives
- This machine looks daunting as hell and what have I gotten myself into lol 😅 I say this because I have absolutely no barista or espresso machine knowledge and while yes, I can learn… I am struggling to find a good tutorial resource or guide on this machine. If you could point me to a good resource I’d appreciate it
Now I just need a good espresso prep set for when it arrives
I’ve often thought about making a “primer” video like this because I have a lot of experience with their line and there isn’t a lot of content out there.
Regarding the QC thing, I will say I saw this more at the end of last year/beginning of this year than I am right now. It’s a risk, but it’s def the minority.
@@DaddyGotCoffee definitely could use a “primer” or tutorial series I think it would benefit people. Thanks for the video. I’m still glad I bought it
Thanks for sharing. Totally agree with the aesthetic look and the high energy efficiency design using thermal-block instead of the traditional boiler. And it is small enough to fit typical household countertop.
I am considering buying this Steel Duo after watching your videos. But one thing concerns me a lot is why they ship with a 14g basket instead of the standard 18g basket?? I saw from the other CZcamsr reviewing Steel Uno saying that it is likely because the machine is a bit under power to pull a 36g coffee, the temperature right out of the portafilter spout fluctuates more than it should. Have you experienced any difference between using a 14g vs. 18g basket? Thanks again.
I bought mine a year ago in Germany. I love the machine and it runs every day with absolutely no problems. I love your Video.
Hi, how’s the noise and steaming so far? Im really considering it now but would love to hear reviews from those who use it for quite some time now. TIA
@@cliourania6197 hey, I have mine now since 1,5 year and use it still every day. It works with the same noise like when I bought it and also the steam is the same. What you must know for an Ascaso is the vibration. But that’s okay for me.
@@MrMoinmoin hi, thanks for taking time to reply, really appreciate it, planning to buy my very first espresso machine and this is on my top list
You will be happy with this machine. I am sure. Please let me know after you bought it 😇
There is already an Asacso Duo Plus model with cool features. Would love to see review on this one!
Especially regarding the new wire steel tray that I really think looks bad and is a step backwards, looks like it will wobble when putting weight or glass on top of it. Would really like to see a video of it to understand the behavior.
Yes! For now this model is EU only - once that changes I’ll update!
When I made an inquiry about the steel duo at Ascasa canada , they sent me the information for the Steel duo plus and said this is in production and will be available in Canada . ETA unknown though 😏. Looks like some great upgrades, seems like Ascaso listens to their customer’s concerns.
I have been using v2 for 2 months and it's amazing. I am waiting for a v3 (aka plus?) joystick upgrade kit to arrive now
Let me know how you find it!
Was originally going with the profitec go for first machine till I saw this
Love the look of this
What are your thoughts?
Worth the extra $$ for the ascasa?
Ascaso recently presented Ascaso duo steel plus (vs. duo steel pid). Changes are minor, but plus version have steam valve upgraded and steam knob (vs. round valve). Apart of that few branded accessories - like naked portafilter.
Yup! I’ll review one of these if/when they become available in North America. I agree that the steam handle is a nice add! For now these are EU only
@@DaddyGotCoffee I ordered black version and super excited (deliver in September). Wanted to buy yacht for mid age crisis, but decided that this espresso machine will give me more joy :)
I have this machine and love it
They’re great!
Great reviews. I have a deposit on the Terra Kaffe 2, hopefully you can review that before I purchase 😊.
I’ll see if I can get my hands on one!
In reviews of products like this, I want to hear more about how well the features perform. Just listing them is good and all but questions I have include: if I create a pre infusion preset, how well does it replicate that preset on each go? How consistent is the pressure each time pull a shot? Is the pressure displayed accurate to an independent measurement of the pressure at the grouphead?
I would also like to know, in practice, what is the value of two thermocoils as opposed to the UNO version? I would also like comparisons to its more direct competitors like the profitec pro 300.
How do you think this would do in a matcha shop with low volume coffee orders? I’m mostly interested in it for the aesthetic and the milk steamer wand for our hot matcha beverages.
I keep coming back to this machine. Does it use a pump? A vibration or rotary pump? What kind of pump does it use?
I've been waiting to get one of these, but that 10% off is HUGE for pushing me to getting this. I'm going to go home after work and measure my counter space to make sure it fits. If it does, I'm ordering it with that code of yours.
I've been looking at getting this thing for like 5 months now and I've seen just about every video on youtube about the Ascaso. I even made sure I have a 20 amp circuit for the machine in my apartment (I do luckily).
You’ll love it! Feel free to ask any questions!
@DaddyGotCoffee I have a couple of questions
How difficult is this machine to descale? I'm currently using spring water on a Flair 58 because that's what my gf likes to drink and we use a water delivery service. Scale is not really a concern on the Flair but I know it will be something of note on a pump machine. I may end up having to use different water.
How difficult is post shot cleanup? My Flair 58 is the only espresso machine I've owned and I have the ability to press the group head water through the puck so that the top of the puck screen is dry. How do you handle the excess water above the puck after a shot? Does that just get dumped out into the drip tray? Is it a non issue?
@@NubRusty the design doesn’t collect scale like a boiler. I just run descaling solution through it once a quarter, which is probably way overkill. Also backflush with cleaner weekly.
Great review! Again!
I have a Breville bambino, and it’s ready to brew in 3 seconds. Yes 3 seconds. It’s wild. We treat it like it’s “on all the time” since there is no heat up time at all.
Steaming is ehh, compared to mr spaziale Vivaldi we use for pop ups and event catering. But that’s just not a fair comparison.
Also I dimmer modded the Breville so pulling all sorts of profiles is easy squeezy.
I’ve been thinking of doing a bambino review on here for a while!
@@DaddyGotCoffeeI’d love to see a comparison to the Bambino.
Nice review! How can I purchase this espresso machine near latam or get a shipping from ascaso factory or coffee store? I'm from chile, here there arent coffee stores that sell it 😢
Trying to setup my machine. I have Fahrenheit selected. When trying to program the steam temp (tst selection), what do you have selected?
Just got a 2024 v2 Duo (was actually made in a batch last month). I was told Ascaso are now doing 15amp units instead of 20amp for Canada. Have you tried these new ones and does that mean there will be a loss in steam pressure for the new V2’s?
What a gorgeous looking machine. Wonder if I can get it in Australia and no doubt cost more. Will check it out
Hi Justin! - we are looking for an upgrade from our Breville and this looks great. We are in Canada too. Do you have an affiliate link/code? Also where would you recommend to purchase the Niche Zero. Thank you.
Hey Richard! Yup - DADDYGOTCOFFEE should get you a discount at Ascaso Canada:) As far as Niche Zero, they are only sold direct from Niche in the UK but you can often find them on FB Marketplace, especially if you're near a major city/GTA etc!
😍 99.9% great video! it's just .. encouraging folks to use an adaptor to run a real 2+kW appliance on a 15A circuit really 'pulls my plug' 😵💫
Yeah agreed 😒
Heyy, thanks for the video. I am confused though, is v2 the same as Duo Plus? On their official website, I can't see any mention of "v2".
On the website the v2 is just the “Duo PID” the v1 is no longer available. The Plus is slightly different and only so far available in europe
how do you decide between ascaso and the linea micra besides price point... what do you recommend consdering?
Honestly, I was really hoping for the Baby T zero to come to the US market, being that it floats the best of all worlds but Ascaso just confirmed with me that it "wont be released in the US" so I'm opting for the new Duo Plus shipping next month. Hopefully, the steam power isn't an issue, but common Ascaso, bring all the versions of the Baby T to the US market not just the flagship!
are you sure you ran it on a 15amp circuit or was it simply a 20amp circuit without the proper outlet?
Should I keep saving and wait for a La Marzocco Micra?
Nice looking machine. Can it do programmable pre-infusion?
It does 👍
Hey Justin! I have my Duo V2 now and I love it. However, I am getting the OPV chirping issue. Do you have any experience with it? Reddit responses range from I got a replacement OPV, Ascaso said it was normal, and I reversed my spring and it went away. So confused!
Reversing the spring is interesting
i think my breville touch impress has a thermociol. it heats up very fast great steam. and as soon as coffee is poured can steam milk
What is the main features that the PLUS of this exactly model? The Accessories? That’s all that stood out to me. But had to ask just to be sure
You should cover more Canadian distributors since you're here and also most times ordering from abroad ends up either delayed damaged or more expensive.
My discount code works at Ascaso Canada as well! Believe it or not only about 6-7% of my audience is Canadian!
@DaddyGotCoffee I just feel we are extremely under represented as Canadian coffee enthusiasts. Brings me joy to see someone use pilot coffee on CZcams
@@ShayanGivehchian I agree! I LOVE Pilot! Their coffee is so good!
I’m looking at the profitec 500 PID. Does the ascaso need soft water. Does it too need a filter if water is hard?
Because there’s no boiler it’s pretty resilient to less than perfect water. The thermoblocks are not prone to scale buildup in the same way. One of the reasons I like them
Morning! Most would say this is not an upgrade over my more expensive Profitec Pro 500 with flow control (fellow Canadian) but I am thinking of making the switch. Any thoughts? I guess my only hesitation is Sprometheus saying he can't get light roasts to stop tasting sour without running them as ristrettos. I notice you use Pilot so mostly medium-light - what has been your experience? The other point is that the E61 is simple and I wonder if the Duo would feel like I'm fighting the automation by holding a switch down. Thanks for reviewing and your time!
I can’t speak to Spros personal taste experience, however I have tested these machines extensively with a Scace II and thermocouple and can confirm that they are incredibly temperature stable. The way he ran that test had several flaws and is not representative of real world performance - I can elaborate but it will move into geek out territory 🤣
I never have had poor experience even with light roasts on this.
The workflow with holding the switch was never a big deal for me but it is definitely a workflow consideration!
@@DaddyGotCoffee thank you so much! I'm glad you tested with a scace and thermocouple, I was looking for confirmation that the North American version is just as temp stable 😁 (lots of European tests out there). Is there a video of this? So you don't think I would regret the move from Profitec Pro 500? I don't really use the flow control much...
@@codyc.964 I don’t have one published but am pretty sure I could dig one up from my camera roll. Dm me on insta?
This is on my short list, down to two. One of my hesitations is the pain of cleaning - what’s your take on this?
I do a weekly backflush and a quarterly descale. I use good water so the descale is probably overkill but whatever. Prettt east and standard, unless you mean cleaning the exterior? Regardless of the machine I usually give them a daily wipe down ☺️.
I would absolutely love to have this espresso machine! #dreams
Way to go on another great Ascaso review - your video on the v1 was my introduction to this brand : )
The looks are very much like any non e61 flat look, but much cleaner look with some cool switches to boot. But really nothing special...but it is nicer than other flat box looks. I like your review as you did not gloss over the negatives, you explained them pretty clear. FYI, this has a alum boiler, which I think is another negative :-)
The thermoblock is aluminum, but stainless steel lined so that aluminum doesn’t actually come into contact with water - def some negatives here but that is not one of them 👌
I've had the machine now for about 3 months. I use it daily. The only 2 things I've noticed from the QA standpoint is that the OPV valve did whine when tripped when I adjusted the pressure down from the 11bar that it's set to at the factory. I lowered it to about 9. There was an audible whine/whistle (there's other videos that state this) but this is also part of a break-in from what I read elsewhere. It wasnt annoying enough to worry about and it's all but gone away in the 3 months I've used it.
The error code, at least my encounters with it are when I forget that it's on or turn it on to preheat it and dont get back to it for over an hour. I work in tech, so my default of turning it off and resetting it has fixed it every single time. Generally when this happens it seems that it's a heat issue and the PID /controler ciricuitry shuts itself off and displays the error when the machine gets too warm. The top has been very hot to touch when I've experienced that. To avoid it I simply put the autoshutoff at 30 mins and I dont have the issue.
Outside of that, I've not had any issues. The thing just seems to work great. I've been keeping on top of keeping it clean. I rinse the reservoir out every week and do a backflush cleaning every other week. Daily backflush rinsing, and the drip tray is rinsed daily as well. Even with daily use and using the bottomless portafilter, the thing still looks brand new.
For consistency the programming I dont tend to use because of the opv plumbing, there does seem to be a bit of a consistency issue that seems to vary from 5-10g. If it's within 5g I see that as perfectly workable.
Great feedback! I would agree with all of this! I don't tend to use the volumetrics either but as long as you are not hitting off the OPV ceiling they tend to be pretty good.
I have changed my recommendation away from setting the OPV at 9 bar. I now recommend to keep it at 11 and manage your puck prep/grind so that it tops out at 9 and then declines. The machine is much happier when being run this way. I go into more detail in my "Best Ascaso Settings" video but I'd encourage you to give it a try!
@@DaddyGotCoffee I'll give it a try, but I find I have a harder time with consistency puck prep wise trying to just control pressure with the puck. But yes, If you're good with this, then the volumentric is the way to go you can almost "set it and forget it" for the bean/grind you're using once you get that dialed in. It really is the backflow from the opv that will affect the volumetic measurements the most.
I did wind up getting a lot more consistent in my puck prep. In fact the last week in a row the only variance in the volumetric programming was 0.1g+- 20g in with 45g out. Puck prep and consistency is absolutely paramount to having the volumetric programming work as intended/expected. I did screw up and rush one and it was about 4.5g over this morning after having a very consistent 0.1g variance. YMMV of course.
BTW: I took your advice and cranked the opv up to 11bar. Puck prep is consistently getting between 9 and 9.5bar. This is also key to having the volumetric measurements actually work. consistent puck prep and not having any backflow from the OPV.
I’m curious about you using the Duo on your 15amp outlet. How was the machine able to operate correctly without a problem? I bought this, but unfortunately, my whole kitchen is on one 20amp circuit. I don’t know if I feel comfortable trying to use it, but is there something i can buy that would allow me to safely operate it?
I’d really consult an electrician on this, and I believe building code varies region to region. Where I live (I believe) electrical code states that a “safe” load on a circuit is only 80% of the actual rated load. So a “rated” load for 15a circuit is 12a in reality. Anything higher needs to be bumped to a 20a circuit. So it’s possible that the “real” load is something like 14a, which is an unsafe load for a 15a circuit, but technically possible without blowing the circuit. I should get a voltmeter and test because the question comes up often just having done it personally doesn’t bring a ton of clarity.
I disagree. The circuit can draw 100% safely. If your entire kitchen is on a single 20Amp circuit just be aware of other appliances on at the same time as the machine. And not that it doesn't actually pull 20Amps just more than your normal 15. If you are at all nervous you can halve the draw by not brewing AND steaming at the same time! Brew and then steam. Logical really.....
the only thing i dont like is the pid screen/button parts, the rest looks stunning honestly
Hi - i know taste is subjective, though in your opinion, how does the coffee taste from this machine vs lelit bianca v3? I have the budget for the lelit. Though if I can get this and save $$$ without compromising on taste I will. Thanks for the video!
Curious about this as well. Willing to pay for the Bianca but not if it's not worth it. I just love the fit, finish, and flow control.
Any thoughts???
Question. In some places online people title this machine with the wooden knob 2023. I can’t quite tell if there is such a version. Can you help with that?
Stell duo ->V1
Stell duo PID ->V2
Stell duo PID Plus-> V3
Will you be testing the Duo Steel Plus when it comes out?
Once it’s released in North America, absolutely!
I love your mill what brand is that?
There’s two in this video! The Niche Duo and the Fiorenzato AllGround!
Ascaso just launched the steel duo plus which is like another update to this V2
Soooooo….. I was trying to decide between these two machines actually. Now I’m so undecided since I was going to go with the Elizabeth but seems like you think the Ascaso might be a better choice? This will be my very first machine. Any advice would be fantastic.
I really don’t like to give direct advice on comparisons on machines I haven’t used personally, and I haven’t used an Elizabeth personally. I can tell you it’s a good machine. I can also tell you that if you live in North America you will pay a premium for it compared to what you would pay elsewhere. The Elizabeth is a full dual boiler so you will sacrifice warm up time and efficiency for additional steam power. I don’t buy what some people say that boilers are more temp stable than the Ascaso thermoblocks, but I have a scace on the way to test them to be sure
@@DaddyGotCoffee that’s fantastic news on the Scace. I am only making coffee for myself once a day in the morning before work. Warm up time really isn’t a huge deal. Though I was going towards the Lelit because of boilers in terms of temperature for when family comes to visit. Also was a bit weird day Lelit with 3 year warranty vs 1 year on Ascaso. In the automotive industry it’s like hmmmm, is this for a reason. Haha. Though the looks of the Ascaso are soooooo much nicer in my opinion than the Lelit.
@@DaddyGotCoffee also I really appreciate you replying. I’ve actually reach out to other channels before for help and never got a reply. So I certainly appreciate your time.
@@Frank-i-e I try to respond to as many comments as I can! In my experience, issues with Ascasos (which do happen) tend to be present straight out of the box, and if they’re good, they tend to run for a very long time without issue. The duos are technically “fully serviceable” with parts available but finding a tech who will come work on one is another story. If you’re adventurous and have a distributor willing to send a part you could attempt any repair yourself, but almost repairs I have seen end up with an RMA. Lelits have good history in this regard. With you on the looks front and I have really enjoyed using the Ascaso line over several years
I'm always a bit confused by (not only yours) such disclaimers at the beginning of review videos. Will you be sending the unit back or will you be keeping it? If you keep it, isn't that like being compensated by Espresso Parts / AscascoUSA?
I do believe you make honest reviews. Heck, I bought my Baby T Plus in part because of your review and couldn't be happier with the machine. Just curious. Thanks for the video!
From what I'm seeing, they keep it unless they say that it's "on loan" from the people they're thanking
I actually have a whole video on this! czcams.com/video/zxib4PzEF-c/video.html
A couple thoughts, not every creator does this, but in addition to being better for transparency (imo), these on camera disclosures are required by the FTC.
Regarding the machine being compensation, at a certain point there is no value in “another espresso machine” for someone who reviews espresso equipment 🤣. For me, accepting espresso machines to review is work and isn’t actually very valuable to me otherwise, aside from being fun. I don’t sell them because I like to have the option for future content, but I do loan them out to friends and family. So in that regard, I personally don’t consider it a form of compensation, especially when I get direct compensation from other avenues that has meaningful value. If a machine IS compensation, it’s not very good compensation, especially when you have something like the Baby T on your counter 🤣. Regardless, I’ll always say on camera so you can make your own opinion. If I don’t say anything about it going back, it’s not going back and that is true in this case as well, unless they one day ask for it to be shipped back for some reason!
Always open for these types of questions! Thanks for dropping a comment!
@@DaddyGotCoffee I watched your "transparency video" and didn't recall this being mentioned. Again, this is not an attack on you or other CZcams reviewers. I will say however, receiving a $5800 Baby T Plus for free sure sounds like a sweet deal when the only other option is buying one with actual money. 😂 Again, not an attack, just the ramblings of a jealous subscriber. 🤣
@@LightZone9 fortunately I’ve been able to test all of the Ascaso machines through my Instagram partnership with Espresso Parts. It’s a privilege!
You’re a freaking liar man. You’re getting paid 10% with every sale you help make, this transparency video you shared was made purposefuly because you knew you were about to make another Ascaso paid marketing ad. It’s unbelievable how fake you are, taking advantage of the community you’re in!
The plus is available in Canada!? So ?
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Can you turn off the steam thermoblock? If yes does it have a switch or how can you do that?
Thanks!
Yup you can! It’s in the menu on the LCD!
@@DaddyGotCoffee that good to know,
If you turn the steam thermoblock Off would it remember next time you turn On the machine?
You’re completely wrong about the tankless water comments. The most inefficient way to heat is with a “strip” heater or similar oven “eye”. Tankless water heaters use them. The big water tanks are since more efficient(almost 3 times) after I purchased my hybrid tank after my old one leaked. Yes it run of a heat pump technology as was much cheaper than tankless. A new tank(100 gal) would have been around $500 and my Hybrid was $850 after discount. A tankless conversion $2K, $3k or more.
You should test temperature
consistency since you mentioned it.
Do you have a scace I can borrow? 🤣 This is on my list to buy but I haven’t gotten there yet.
I should give a non cheeky reply here 🤣 I did check with the espresso parts team who did a full round of scace testing on numerous units before bringing on the line to distribute it. they were extremely happy with the stability spec. Take that for what you will and one day I will do this testing personally.
Can you please make a tutorial/"primer" video about this machine? There is so little content about this. Do you know why that is? I find it weird since every review I see of the Ascaso duo is super positive.
Absolutely! Already got ya covered right here!
czcams.com/video/Mc7Z3uzpWDY/video.html
Can you buy me one pls? 😂 This is just the perfect machine for me, that fast start up from the thermocoil is 👌but I’m sure you can still go back to back when you have friends over
Yup! It definitely does back to back drinks! Just a little slower to steam than a full on boiler. IMO it’s a great compromise for 98% of home users
I mean, how's the espresso taste?? Better than similar priced machines?
he discusses the coffee it produces in his review of the V1
In short, it tastes great. But you can also make great tasting espresso with a $100 Flair Neo Flex, and lots of other factors are at play including grinder and the type of coffee you are using.
Once you get into machines at this price point, it’s about making that great tasting espresso more quickly and consistently in a package with great counter appeal and giving you the flexibility to make it the exact way that YOU want it.
Genuinelv surprised that something updates in the EU first. EU is usually an afterthought. Guess it helps having companies over on this end of the pond.
Yup they’re based in Spain!
hi will you be selling this machine?
This was very high on my list already but the Duo Plus model is my dream upgrade - have a single boiler now but will save up for Duo Plus! (Luckily I’m in Europe)
I would love to get my hands one! Hopefully they bring this model to North America!
also ordered!
What is the difference with the duo plus?
@@youtubeaccount7137 as far as I’m aware, steam handle instead of knob, included bottomless pf, and an updated drip tray. I’m not aware of any other changes!
Can it be run manually without the volumetric feature?
Yes. You just hold the dose switch down which essentially runs the machine in “program mode”. You release the switch to stop the shot. The only downside is it remembers this and erases any previous volumetric program for whatever setting you held the switch on (one or two coffees). I ran the machine this way most of the time.
@@DaddyGotCoffee Couldn't you effectively use it like a manual shot switch by programming to run for something like 60 seconds? That way you can flip it to start, then flip it again to stop? Lifestyle Lab mentions that in their video: czcams.com/video/L0rSVpwgPVo/video.html
Major negative on this is the aluminum boiler. Otherwise, rather nice. Alternate=Profitec Go perhaps
Again, just a note here - the water path on the aluminum thermoblock is stainless steel lined - def would have pointed that out otherwise!
Does that mean the boiler is also dipped or coated with SS?@@DaddyGotCoffee
Profitec go isn't dual as Ascaso steel duo
What's your reliability been like?
I’ve owned Duos (several actually) for a couple years now. They’re as good as the day I bought them and have not needed service. I do see occasional QC issues but in my experience they tend to be presenting immediately
how is thermocoil different from thermoblock?
Can’t speak to the specifics of these machines but a coil is just a coil with a heating element in in the middle. A block has the coil machined into it. The difference is that metal (block) is a more efficient heat conductor than air and more thermally stable. So as the element kicks on and off the block will maintain consistent temps.
I need that shirt
It’s from pull and pour coffee!
Hot Water Spout is SLEPT ON. um…. Americano anyone? All machine moving forward should include the hot water spout
One of my fave parts of this machine TBH! Boiler machine hot water taps flash boil and are way too hot!
But the V3 is announced with a steam lever which makes it even better!
The “Plus” is more of an upgraded trim level to my understanding than a whole new version, but yes! Better!
Brew some coffee, let us know how it does
Wow, at 6:52, where did you get the "marble" accents for your portafilter handle and Niche? They're gorgeous! ... almost as gorgeous as you. ♥ ...but stop biting your fingernails!
Ha! That’s from www.brazenstudio.co/ and believe it or not I just about have the biting cracked! 💪
@@DaddyGotCoffee Thanks! Stay awesome and stay strong! 🤣
The machine looks beautiful but I see no advantage against a Lelit Elisabeth.
Like everywhere the differences are in the details. For example the Steel is ready in 3 min vs the Elisabeth on 20. The shot programming on the steel is volumetric and not time based like on the Elisabeth. The quality of the portafilter in the steel is stainless steel with wood handle and knob while the Elisabeth has plastic handle and plastic steam knob. The steel can be descaled externally while any boiler ideally needs to be taken out and immersed in descale solution. Of course all these benefits come with a large increase in price.
👆👆 Also, in North America the Elizabeth is practically the same price as the Duo. Some people will prefer a boiler solution and that’s fine, the duo offers other advantages/features
@@DaddyGotCoffeeoh I didn’t know that. In Europe the price difference is significantly higher.
@@NilsBruch yeah North Americans pay a lot more for Lelits compared to the rest of the world. It may have something to do with modifications needed for their line to work on 120v, not sure. Definitely changes the value equation for North Americans
@NilsBruch tyour so right. The warm-up time alone is a deal-breaker for me on most units and absolutely every boiler. I ended up settling for a Bambino plus because of the virtual instantaneous ready time for either Brewing or steaming or going back and forth within seconds. Anything in excess of 5 minutes or a minute back and forth is a deal-breaker for me deal breaker for me. I'm not going to wait 20 minutes and then spend another 10 minutes making two drinks. If I get a fancy or coffee though waiting 10 minutes for this group head to warm up wouldn't be a big deal
don't like because it has thermoblocks not boilers
Anyone out there started modding these (in any way)?
There are a couple guys on Reddit and the espresso afficionados discord server if you go digging!
Is this a good machine for someone who doesn’t know jack shit about coffee? Lmao (me).
Ironically I find the nicer machines are more friendly to new users than basic entry level ones.
But, I just released a video on the best way to set up these machines and dial in a shot - czcams.com/video/Mc7Z3uzpWDY/video.htmlsi=WXXXk85iALcqIPgr
If you ever end up with one, don’t hesitate to reach out!
Ironically I find the nicer machines are more friendly to new users than basic entry level ones.
But, I just released a video on the best way to set up these machines and dial in a shot - czcams.com/video/Mc7Z3uzpWDY/video.htmlsi=WXXXk85iALcqIPgr
If you ever end up with one, don’t hesitate to reach out!
Spanish machine
Another Teleshopping Commercial :DDDDD
this guy was paid very well to say things like that. Nothing negative.. it was the same with v1. His opinions are irrelevant
Appear to be a lot of shills in the comments. How much is ascaso paying you to give all these bias reviews?