Happy Wednesday everyone! It’s just a sport compact/hot hatch kinda week for us. Next week, we’ll be posting our full review on the all-new Civic Si but first, let’s remind you just how good the new GTI and GLI is. It’s a great time to be in the market for budget fun turbo car right now!
Good review, but they do have a mechanical lsd. It is a mechanical unit that is electronically controlled. So it would be comparable to si and Veloster n.
Great review. It would be nice if you tested a DSG GTI 0-60. Some sources claim 5.1 seconds for that time. Also, as you drove Kona N, how does it compare with GTI. Yes, Kona N is in slightly different class but by the looks and parameters it should directly compete with GTI and Golf R.
It’s god awful. And I feel like car reviewers gloss over it, no pun intended, but it’s a serious deal breaker. I don’t care if a CZcamsr can “send it” around a corner when the parts I interact with every day feel terrible
@@cozyflannel than you arent a performance car enthusiast and this isn't marketed for you . 0-60 in 5.1 on other tests , 35mpg , insane handling and practicality. The the offering from hyundai is less money but only gets you 20mpg average .... same as a 480hp v8 mustang.
still....I've used one for longer and after the first hour everyhing was just fine. it's a matter of accommodation. although being glossy is an issue with scratches simple plastic would look even worse. some of the glossy surfaces you are not supposed to touch because there is no need to. and judging by the sales.....it seems people are not that worried about this.
As a person who has owned a 2022 gti for two weeks I can tell you none of the interface issues are deal breakers. This is the best vehicle I’ve ever owned and definitely the most enjoyable driver.
Absolutely agree - I've got one and I seriously doubted my purchase during the first couple of hours, but after a couple of days the buttons (lack of) are absolutely no big deal whatsoever - especially if you program your own shortcuts for things you find essential. It's just like getting a new phone. However, almost everything else is better in this version in terms of driving experience. I have the EU spec so it's not power-restricted like the US version and so 0-60 is 5 secs (or just under in the real world) rather than 6.3, so not sure why there is such a big difference between the EU model and the US model - That's actually a real shame that you get a watered down version and don't get to experience the normal GTI experience that makes this car so popular in Europe! I suppose it's down to the emissions restrictions. Anyhoo the EU spec model that I'm familiar with is just fab!
@@MrArchie800 there's a probably a tune that unleashes that extra HP for US owners or so I hope. Car and driver tested it in the 5's and that was the US version..
The Hankook Kinergy tires on the GLI is what causes such slow 0-60 numbers and also makes for poor handling. I changed them to a more performance oriented tires and it makes a big difference in performance, mainly handling.
Correction: the GLI and GTI have clutch-type mechanical limited slip differentials that are electronically controlled, just like the one in the Veloster N. It’s the same system that’s been used in these cars for years.
To clarify, it is a mechanical limited slip differential, it's just electronically activated. As opposed to a torsion, clutch-based or viscous LSDs that will activate on their own. VW's differential will only lock up when the computer tells it to. It is not a fake LSD that used the brakes, it's an actual mechanical limited slip differential. But the computer controls when it locks up, That's why they call it elsd
I'm a former Mk7.5 owner and have been waiting for this review. My impression with limited information is that they fine-tuned some items but messed up with the capacitive touch interface and cost-cutting small things like eliminating the hood struts. The deal-killer for me is that awful software interface.
@@1209MArky $40k is a lot of money for a GTI but I'm a $30k shopper and not the target audience. In fact, I don't think I'm the target audience for the Mark 8.
I could care less. I can get past an interface since one i use android auto i dont touch anything. This car performs better in every way by a decent margin.
@@aroundomaha i kind of agree in that respect. I remember a few of my acuras needed the screen interface for climate controls and it was a pain. I ended up using my mustang more often because of the controls. I ended up trading my 2018 tlx aspec awd for a mazda 6 for that reason. Then mazda got me to buy a miata....lol
19" wheels just way to big for a little city car. They're gonna be slamming pot holes all over the country. Would prefer 17" , or 18" with a lot more sidewall.
@@dannyd7714 obviously I wouldn't. Comment still stands. Same as getting 22" rims from the factory on a new gmc pickup truck. Stupid for several reasons.
I agree. I never understood why the GTI has the same tire size since 1999 when the body size has grown in all three dimensions. The Jetta was the same way until 2019 when the rolling diameter of the wheels finally grew to match the larger size.
I love how all of these video talk about the cars like the consumer has the luxury of choice right now. The reality is there's no stock, so your choice my also come down to what's even available.
I want to understand the logic of making full LED tail lights and full LED headlights minus the turn signal. I want to get in the mind of the designer who thought that made sense.
The touch interface is a deal breaker, especially because it causes problems when using it in real life. Other reviewers have mentioned accidentally hitting the volume slider when trying to use the touch screen, etc. it’s just garbage. Until VW comes to their senses and gives customers better controls I’ll shop elsewhere. Honda showed how it’s done in the new Civic.
Agreed. I mean, the GLI itself has much better controls despite have technically dated technology in the interior (it really isn't dated at all, but you get my point). However, this alone would be a huge selling point for me because the ID.4's controls just aren't it and the MK8 copy and pastes a lot of it. Also, I quite like what they've done for the MK7 Jetta's facelift, it looks a lot better than the pre-facelift model imo.
Use the steering wheel volume control, right next to your left thumb; never take your eye off the road, never have to balance your hand as you reach over.
Fun fact, the base trim of the GTI has the Jetta GLI's infotainment screen. Everybody is reviewing the top trim with the terrible infotainment system when they honestly should be reviewing the base model with the better one haha
I'm glad you were able to do -- what I know as -- the first comparison of the GTI and the GLI. No real surprises in your findings for me, but its still nice to get confirmation of the differences (and reasons to spend more) for the GTI -- though, like you say, the GLI fits the needs of many people -- so, bravo to VW for building both.
VW and it's dealers are not very successful in the USA because they play price games and put ridiculous MSRP prices on their models and then have to discount them greatly later on in the year because they did not sell. Only in the N Virginia area do they seem available at reasonable prices all year. No reason a GTI shouldn't sell for $25k-$30k base to top end and the resale value is terrible usually because of glitchy electronics which are unnecessary to begin with. Go back to control knobs, get rid of Auto Stop/Start, go back to a manual hand brake and eliminate unnecessary switches from the steering wheel, and give us normal speedo/tach layout. It works for Porsche and it would work for the GTI and would make it more reliable and increase resale and customer satisfaction.
The capacitive touch, gloss-black controls are simply terrible. Real drivers want real switchgear. A volume knob is a must-have feature as far as I'm concerned.
In future times, these will be know as VWs dull years. The Golf R is the best compact they have ever made, and even it has obvious cost cutting you can see from a distance. Why no LED fog lights? Who knows. Maybe they'll come back in future models. Until then, I'll Pass.
Thank you for pointing out the differences. I've always been a sedan-lover. And, the GLI would be perfect for me.... If I wanted a Mid-size Passat trying to masquerade as a Compact Jetta. I mean 17-inches of difference in length, with the backseat size of the GLI being a big selling point?? I need a compact. Not just one labeled as such. Or, one that fits the new definition of "compact" after most car brands (including VW) have utterly decimated the true compact car class in America during the last few years. Yes, you do expect a slight difference in length when discussing a car model available as either a hatchback or a sedan. But not 17 inches! If anything, it's clear now that the GTI and the GLI are two very different cars. The GLI is not a GTI with a trunk. As much as I enjoy the security of a lockable trunk, I'm not even considering the GLI as an option for my next car. But the GTI is on my short-list.
Basically the only reason I bought the GTI was the size. The fun factor is just icing on the cake. I’d have been just as happy with the regular gulf if it were still available. Ok, not exactly as much happy, but close. Anyway, totally agree about the lack of true compact cars. It’s wild.
Not a big fan of all the electric buttons, though they do look sleek and modern. As for the laggy screen, I wonder if VW will upgrade the software as it goes, and if they can update the system in an existing car during a service appointment. On the plus side, the GTI’s exterior design, launch color, and interior look fantastic. Thanks for bringing us a side by side comparison!
The GTI SE (with or without leather package) is going to the best bang for the buck on the GTI I believe although the S has ALMOST enough options to get by if it included the keyless access.
I'm not sure that is "wheel hop" on your hard launches. It sounds like the traction/stability control is pumping the brakes rapidly because of the wheelspin. Hopefully, if you turn off the nanny, the tires would just spin? Nice review; thanks.
Going through this review, I will say that I am liking both. Decided that I will try to get either one. Leaning more to the GLI because room and I like the older infotainment better also the price is nice. Hopefully at the end of the year.
For traction control in GTi there's easy way no one using it or don't know about it ( no need to open menu , there's a short cut in top you have to swap down , you get traction control and start/stop option )
Another great review and thank you for being always detailed in your reviews. Now Without sounding too critical of your driving…..you just can’t “dump” the clutch like that and expect a decent 0-60 acceleration runs. You have to learn to drive manuals with some clutch slip when you are trying to accelerate away hard yet offering proper and necessary traction. Just trying to offer a constructive “criticism”. Thanks for listening and keep up the good works!
Absolutely dumping the clutch or popping the clutch depending on how old you are. Try that on a more powerful car or a sport bike.... not going to end well.
I’m a long time VE/Audi enthusiast. Currently own a 35th Anniversary GLI. Probably will pick the Elantra N over the GTI and GLI this time. It’ll be quicker and cheaper. My only concern with the Elantra N is reliability.
No way will I give a 35th over for an N. The 35th with a stage 1 will smoke the N, and if u lower your GLI it will handle close to the N. The handling on the GLI is ridiculous.
Great performance, yes. I really wish Honda would take note and get the Civic Si on par with these two. Technology and every day livability? Nope... not until they give us buttons and volume knobs again
The GTI manual transmission can do 0-60 in 6 seconds or even 5.9 seconds with summer/performance tires if launched properly. Motor week did it in 6 seconds flat and quarter mile in an impressive 14.5 seconds
Turbo's are harder to launch. In my 2.0L NA Civic, I'll ride the clutch while the fronts are struggling for traction and then do the fast drop and floor it once momentum is sufficient. Stupid easy to do when the car's your daily. Result, is no one is able to get the drop on you at the lights. That initial power at 1000rpm is priceless when it's enough to brake lose my 215/55/16 dedicated summer tires. The 13lb RPF1 rims and premium fuel also helps. Given those launches, your left foot needs to develop some finesse and it's ok to ride the clutch a bit when you mean business.
Just saw a new GTI in white (with black wheels) in SE trim at a dealership yesterday afternoon. Looks very sharp inside and out. The screens look amazing but I can see why people would be turned off by the buttons, or lack thereof. Still, it wouldn’t be a dealbreaker for me. I didn’t drive the car, and won’t unless I get serious about buying one. The GLI is cheap by comparison, but I think it’s a good value. But the design is really starting to seem dated, as it looks mostly like the same Jetta VW has made for several years.
Would take a Golf over a Civic or Hyundai any day! This is legit the real deal, not some wannabe! From a serviceman who has driven in the worst road conditions. 😎
Same. If I'm going to go with DSG, I'd rather spend just a little more to get an A3 and avoid the absolute crap software from the new Golf and capacitive wheel buttons on both.
I’m cross shopping GLI and Elantra N. GLI is ahead for me; Hyundai left off too many features, like cooled seats and seat memory. Great review, Sofian.
I bet the GLI will be cheaper too or at best the same price. I think these two cars will cross shopped a lot. The interiors on the VW's appear to be far superior to the Hyundai N's. The big no is the touch controls all over.
Looks are subjective but in my opinion both the GLI and the Elantra N are some of the ugliest sedans on the market. I’d go with a GTI instead, looks good and has better materials than a GLI. It depends what you’re looking for, if you’re looking for performance the Elantra N would be better since it’s DCT and engine setup is more powerful than the GLI. If you’re looking for something with more features and a better overall interior then GLI would definitely be better. But in your case I think a GLI would be better for you since you mentioned that you didn’t like Hyundai left features out.
The only thing holding me back from buying the GTI is what I hear about reliability, and things breaking a bit more on VW's and the parts/labor costs way more than others? My current car is a normal economy car but in 10 years 110k miles only has needed oil changes and just recently a 2nd battery that's it. If this is possible in the GTI i'm sold.
Same here with me and my 2006 Mazda3 sedan with a manual. 17 years of trouble-free driving. General maintenance only. Oil, filters, battery, tires, never had to go back to the shop for repairs. I am now shopping for a new 2023 Mazda H/B with a manual but I have considered the GTI and the Civic SI. And the Civic Sport Touring, but I favor the Mazda still because it has a naturally aspirated motor that I believe will be more dependable to own than any turbo-assisted motor. And the interior is definitely better than the rest for my needs. But, I do wish I could still get the manual in a Mazda3 sedan!
The move to all haptic controls and a lackluster and mostly unchanged GLI have made me move to the Mazda3 Turbo Hatchback. What I lose in all out performance I gain in far improved interior build quality and technology.
i feel got lucky in 2017 picking up a new/ used jetta GLI 2017 (only had 3k miles on it, saved me $10k) in the pearl black, put some serious miles on it trips cross country, great fuel milage (average 40mpg) and handling. haven't seen any or many in my travels. had unfortunate EPC light come on at 67k miles and dealership took to had trouble fixing problem to point a new create motor was installed (so i was told new create). took while for it to perform almost as good as the original motor, and was loosing qt oil somewhere every 3k miles for the first 10k. since then appears to be fine, check it every couple weeks or 2 tank fills of gas. going to be long while before buy another new car unless old school US no computers.
great review, but does make you wish Ford would offer the Focus MK4 ST in US/CAN, great hot-hatch sales opportunity missed, and much more performance for the money. New MK4 facelift due January 2022 in UK/EU -- first time without Recaro seats too.
Very nice but im pretty happy with my manual 2021 autobah Gli i lucked out and was able to get the last one in the immediate shipping area 8m very satisfied with the 2021 i do like new look if the 2022 but the 2021 is still a sexy car in gun metal grey
Weird times when everyone ignores big performance increases and worries about a user interface....... I just want a nice stereo and android auto . This will be my next car when my miata goes back.
Always enjoy these reviews, great details and casual yet entertaining approach (minus the use of “notate” at the end lol… really?? “Notate”???). GTI for me, even with the whole stupid infotainment and lack of buttons/knobs. Pricing very competitive in Canada, actually less than a Civic hatch 6 speed with the turbo. Love the Mazda3 turbo but no stick available and too expensive. Cheers. 🇨🇦
Good video as always. Ive watched so many comparisons and reviews of these cars, and factoring in price vs features the GLI is a no brainer winner IMO. Unless you just have to have a hatchback and/or hate sedans, the 2022 GLI is better in almost every way. The new system interface in the GTI is a major problem that too many people overlook because "it drives great". Again, just my opinion but until VW fixes the TERRIBLE interface with the GTI or lowers the price by about $8000 the decision should be between the 2022 GLI and a used MK7.5 GTI.
the GLI is assembled in Mexico, and the GTI is assembled in Wolfsburg. that's the deal breaker for me. also the beats audio SUX in comparison to the Harman/Kardon you get in the GTI.
One of these days car journalists should start talking about reliability. My new GLI was a piece of trash and I traded it for a new Mazda 3 hatchback which blows its doors off in every way.
You had a MK7 GLI? I've had mine for two years and have had no reliability issues. My last four cars before the GLI were Mazdas (3, CX9, 6, CX5) - And they were nice, but I would have no problems with my next car being another MK7 GLI. It's been great. (I know the 3 interior is fantastic - still not enough to make me go back)
GTI color = Mustard I can tell by the amber tail lights that the GTI is imported. If I'm not mistaken the GLI is assembled in Chattanooga, TN. Anyway, boy does the GLI look cheap. From the stamped plastic model pop-out grill, pedestrian wheels and tires. Noway it looks like a performance sedan. Both cars have leather seats, but it looks like the thinnest cheapest leather they could find. There's already wrinkles in it.
Have a 2019 GLI now - love it. And will probably go for a '22 GLI. (unless the ever-expanding kids necessitate a '22 Arteon .. but I will not buy an SUV or a minivan)
@@MarcChevalier They’re are all straight sh**ing on the infotainment system on the new GTI. I love the look, and I’m sure it’ll be something you get used to, but that is every reviewers sentiment. I also start to think, if you go Autobahn package, you’re entering The New Z territory, and thought it’s a different type of car, 400HP is 400 HP…
Hopefully the 2023 GLI will get the gen4 EA888 engine, fog lights instead of those fake ugly red sideways soap dishes, and maybe some upgrades for the rear passengers.
I’d have to do something about those red inserts on the GLI. Knowing VW it’s all one piece and they don’t pop out. I like wheels on the GLI and I might to snatch one while they still have push buttons and a cleaner though older infotainment system.
The buttons are absolutely not a problem once you get past the first couple of hours - and you can program shortcuts for things you really need. Also (and this is a big one!!!!) why is the US spec car so power-restricted? Is that because of the emission laws?? The proper EU spec GTI 0-60 time is 5 secs (or just under in the real world) rather than the US version's paltry 6.3 secs! That's a HUGE difference!! And I feel that people buying the US spec model are just NOT getting the proper GTI experience that makes this car so popular and desirable in Europe.
How do you set a Speed Limit Warning? (I'm not talking about the winter tires warning). Seems like it was easy to do on previous models and on the Jetta, but I can't figure out how to set a Speed Limit Warning for the new 2022 GLI. Thanks so much! :)
Happy Wednesday everyone! It’s just a sport compact/hot hatch kinda week for us. Next week, we’ll be posting our full review on the all-new Civic Si but first, let’s remind you just how good the new GTI and GLI is. It’s a great time to be in the market for budget fun turbo car right now!
Good review, but they do have a mechanical lsd. It is a mechanical unit that is electronically controlled. So it would be comparable to si and Veloster n.
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Great review. It would be nice if you tested a DSG GTI 0-60. Some sources claim 5.1 seconds for that time. Also, as you drove Kona N, how does it compare with GTI. Yes, Kona N is in slightly different class but by the looks and parameters it should directly compete with GTI and Golf R.
Hope you look into center screen ( it has short cut to turn off traction control without going to car Manu settings )
When you are able to find ANY car that you like it is a massive seller’s market with no car being available for MSRP or less…..just sayin'
I'd really like to know who is telling Volkswagen that customers want glossy black plastic capacitive touch everything. Seriously.
Probably an opportunity to roll the development cost into the “EV investment” settlement for diesel gate.
It’s god awful. And I feel like car reviewers gloss over it, no pun intended, but it’s a serious deal breaker. I don’t care if a CZcamsr can “send it” around a corner when the parts I interact with every day feel terrible
@@cozyflannel than you arent a performance car enthusiast and this isn't marketed for you . 0-60 in 5.1 on other tests , 35mpg , insane handling and practicality. The the offering from hyundai is less money but only gets you 20mpg average .... same as a 480hp v8 mustang.
Its not just VW, the entire industry is bending in that direction. These are changes (downgrades if you ask me) that nobody asked for. I blame Tesla.
still....I've used one for longer and after the first hour everyhing was just fine. it's a matter of accommodation. although being glossy is an issue with scratches simple plastic would look even worse. some of the glossy surfaces you are not supposed to touch because there is no need to. and judging by the sales.....it seems people are not that worried about this.
As a person who has owned a 2022 gti for two weeks I can tell you none of the interface issues are deal breakers. This is the best vehicle I’ve ever owned and definitely the most enjoyable driver.
it's easy to hate until you drive one. I wasn't sure until my dad got a mk8 R. I drove it once, and ordered a GTI. 😂
@stirange right. Because cars are only fun when they're new? Lmfao
Absolutely agree - I've got one and I seriously doubted my purchase during the first couple of hours, but after a couple of days the buttons (lack of) are absolutely no big deal whatsoever - especially if you program your own shortcuts for things you find essential. It's just like getting a new phone. However, almost everything else is better in this version in terms of driving experience. I have the EU spec so it's not power-restricted like the US version and so 0-60 is 5 secs (or just under in the real world) rather than 6.3, so not sure why there is such a big difference between the EU model and the US model - That's actually a real shame that you get a watered down version and don't get to experience the normal GTI experience that makes this car so popular in Europe! I suppose it's down to the emissions restrictions. Anyhoo the EU spec model that I'm familiar with is just fab!
How do you feel about it now? Considering getting one, it'd be great to get your thoughts?
@@MrArchie800 there's a probably a tune that unleashes that extra HP for US owners or so I hope. Car and driver tested it in the 5's and that was the US version..
The Hankook Kinergy tires on the GLI is what causes such slow 0-60 numbers and also makes for poor handling. I changed them to a more performance oriented tires and it makes a big difference in performance, mainly handling.
They’re indeed junk
Can confirm. Worst tires I’ve ever owned
Kinergy tires are what you might find on an altima or Rav4. Not sure why VW still insisted on having them standard for GLI
Agreed. Changed mine out for Conti Dws06 and it completely changes the car
Worst tires I ever had on my 2019 GLI. Went to Firestone fire hawks and it was night and day.
Nice I didnt miss waiting for a 2022 GLI, I got a 2020 Autobahn and its just great.
One can only dream how much better the mk8 would be if it had physical buttons, or conversely the GLI would be with the mk8 powertrain.
for me the GTI sounds much better than the quieter Jetta GLi....awesome videos keep up the good work.
Correction: the GLI and GTI have clutch-type mechanical limited slip differentials that are electronically controlled, just like the one in the Veloster N. It’s the same system that’s been used in these cars for years.
Yeah exactly
This guy doesnt really know much about the cars . In case you didn't notice
Was looking for this comment. Bare minimum type of video. Yeah I'll quote you the rear legroom but don't know how an lsd works.
To clarify, it is a mechanical limited slip differential, it's just electronically activated. As opposed to a torsion, clutch-based or viscous LSDs that will activate on their own. VW's differential will only lock up when the computer tells it to. It is not a fake LSD that used the brakes, it's an actual mechanical limited slip differential. But the computer controls when it locks up, That's why they call it elsd
Thank you so much for including 0-60! So many different car reviewers don’t include that!
I'm a former Mk7.5 owner and have been waiting for this review. My impression with limited information is that they fine-tuned some items but messed up with the capacitive touch interface and cost-cutting small things like eliminating the hood struts. The deal-killer for me is that awful software interface.
Same. Also the standard equipment in the 7.5 SE trim is only available in the autobahn trim at 40k.
@@1209MArky $40k is a lot of money for a GTI but I'm a $30k shopper and not the target audience. In fact, I don't think I'm the target audience for the Mark 8.
I could care less. I can get past an interface since one i use android auto i dont touch anything. This car performs better in every way by a decent margin.
@@Spiritcr1jsher I often switch drive modes and disable ESC. I could live with that but not using a touch screen for heating/cooling.
@@aroundomaha i kind of agree in that respect. I remember a few of my acuras needed the screen interface for climate controls and it was a pain. I ended up using my mustang more often because of the controls. I ended up trading my 2018 tlx aspec awd for a mazda 6 for that reason. Then mazda got me to buy a miata....lol
Hello @Redline Reviews, thank you for all the things you do. Taking time out of your day to inform us.
Yea, bc he's doing it for free....
19" wheels just way to big for a little city car. They're gonna be slamming pot holes all over the country. Would prefer 17" , or 18" with a lot more sidewall.
Then don't tick the 19 inch option lol
@@dannyd7714 obviously I wouldn't. Comment still stands. Same as getting 22" rims from the factory on a new gmc pickup truck. Stupid for several reasons.
I agree. I never understood why the GTI has the same tire size since 1999 when the body size has grown in all three dimensions. The Jetta was the same way until 2019 when the rolling diameter of the wheels finally grew to match the larger size.
That’s why I’m getting the SE with the boring wheels. I want a more comfortable ride and subdued look.
One thing I just disagree with is why have air vents for the back seat in a small gti and none for the wide gli
touch sensitive buttons have ruined this entire generation of vehicles
I love how all of these video talk about the cars like the consumer has the luxury of choice right now. The reality is there's no stock, so your choice my also come down to what's even available.
The look on your faces after that launch control was priceless. 🤣🤣 The Fiesta Flash 🤙🏼🍺🍺
I want to understand the logic of making full LED tail lights and full LED headlights minus the turn signal. I want to get in the mind of the designer who thought that made sense.
The touch interface is a deal breaker, especially because it causes problems when using it in real life. Other reviewers have mentioned accidentally hitting the volume slider when trying to use the touch screen, etc. it’s just garbage. Until VW comes to their senses and gives customers better controls I’ll shop elsewhere. Honda showed how it’s done in the new Civic.
Agreed. I mean, the GLI itself has much better controls despite have technically dated technology in the interior (it really isn't dated at all, but you get my point).
However, this alone would be a huge selling point for me because the ID.4's controls just aren't it and the MK8 copy and pastes a lot of it. Also, I quite like what they've done for the MK7 Jetta's facelift, it looks a lot better than the pre-facelift model imo.
Use the steering wheel volume control, right next to your left thumb; never take your eye off the road, never have to balance your hand as you reach over.
honda did show Jack. just copied what vw and others older models.
It's dangerous while driving
Fun fact, the base trim of the GTI has the Jetta GLI's infotainment screen. Everybody is reviewing the top trim with the terrible infotainment system when they honestly should be reviewing the base model with the better one haha
15:46 the only reviewer that still dumps the clutch or brake-torques EVERY car he reviews. A feature almost nobody uses after one try.
Wait I can’t tell if you’re saying that’s a good thing or not haha. Like if you’re glad he does it
I'm glad you were able to do -- what I know as -- the first comparison of the GTI and the GLI. No real surprises in your findings for me, but its still nice to get confirmation of the differences (and reasons to spend more) for the GTI -- though, like you say, the GLI fits the needs of many people -- so, bravo to VW for building both.
Love that color on the GTI!
VW and it's dealers are not very successful in the USA because they play price games and put ridiculous MSRP prices on their models and then have to discount them greatly later on in the year because they did not sell. Only in the N Virginia area do they seem available at reasonable prices all year. No reason a GTI shouldn't sell for $25k-$30k base to top end and the resale value is terrible usually because of glitchy electronics which are unnecessary to begin with. Go back to control knobs, get rid of Auto Stop/Start, go back to a manual hand brake and eliminate unnecessary switches from the steering wheel, and give us normal speedo/tach layout. It works for Porsche and it would work for the GTI and would make it more reliable and increase resale and customer satisfaction.
The capacitive touch, gloss-black controls are simply terrible. Real drivers want real switchgear. A volume knob is a must-have feature as far as I'm concerned.
In future times, these will be know as VWs dull years. The Golf R is the best compact they have ever made, and even it has obvious cost cutting you can see from a distance. Why no LED fog lights? Who knows. Maybe they'll come back in future models. Until then, I'll Pass.
Agreed. Way too much cost-cutting.
I am a huge fan and was caught off-guard that you're in my town!
The production value on this channel has been so high lately. Love it! Keep it coming!!
Thank you for pointing out the differences. I've always been a sedan-lover. And, the GLI would be perfect for me.... If I wanted a Mid-size Passat trying to masquerade as a Compact Jetta. I mean 17-inches of difference in length, with the backseat size of the GLI being a big selling point??
I need a compact. Not just one labeled as such. Or, one that fits the new definition of "compact" after most car brands (including VW) have utterly decimated the true compact car class in America during the last few years. Yes, you do expect a slight difference in length when discussing a car model available as either a hatchback or a sedan. But not 17 inches! If anything, it's clear now that the GTI and the GLI are two very different cars. The GLI is not a GTI with a trunk. As much as I enjoy the security of a lockable trunk, I'm not even considering the GLI as an option for my next car. But the GTI is on my short-list.
Basically the only reason I bought the GTI was the size. The fun factor is just icing on the cake. I’d have been just as happy with the regular gulf if it were still available. Ok, not exactly as much happy, but close. Anyway, totally agree about the lack of true compact cars. It’s wild.
Have you made a purchase yet? Curious to what you decided on.
The RED fake fog light paint kills the design!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey! You were in my town! I actually live in Asheville, NC. I hope you had a great time while you were here.
Is it just me or do those dashes look cheap? So much plastic and gloss black.
They both sound great, but I prefer the lower tone of the GLI slightly over the GTI.
The GLI sounds less raucous. Its always bee a bit more mature iteration of the GTI hatch.
We're going to need a redline/raiti's ride colab ... looks like you've both been on the same review circuit lately
I literally see the exact same cars back-to-back on my feed from them. Haha
Na raiti murks this guy lol i used to be redline all day but raiti is funny as hell
Shifting that GTI with comments like "bad" and "horrible" -- still you're giggling like a kid with delight.
I ordered a 21 GLI this past weekend, I really don't like the 22 refresh and was glad they're so far behind schedule they're still making 21s new lol
Not a big fan of all the electric buttons, though they do look sleek and modern. As for the laggy screen, I wonder if VW will upgrade the software as it goes, and if they can update the system in an existing car during a service appointment. On the plus side, the GTI’s exterior design, launch color, and interior look fantastic. Thanks for bringing us a side by side comparison!
They are still trying to get the power windows to work.
The GTI SE (with or without leather package) is going to the best bang for the buck on the GTI I believe although the S has ALMOST enough options to get by if it included the keyless access.
Yeah it’s a shame not one S has came to the United States at least not yet. I’m not sure why
@@devn3813 it’s so they can maximize profit with the low inventory shortage
@@loki_wolff greed
Nearly $40K MSRP for a GTI!? Jesus!
The fully loaded one. Base model is a lot cheaper.
I'm not sure that is "wheel hop" on your hard launches. It sounds like the traction/stability control is pumping the brakes rapidly because of the wheelspin. Hopefully, if you turn off the nanny, the tires would just spin?
Nice review; thanks.
Going through this review, I will say that I am liking both. Decided that I will try to get either one. Leaning more to the GLI because room and I like the older infotainment better also the price is nice. Hopefully at the end of the year.
What did you end up buying?
For traction control in GTi there's easy way no one using it or don't know about it ( no need to open menu , there's a short cut in top you have to swap down , you get traction control and start/stop option )
Another great review and thank you for being always detailed in your reviews. Now Without sounding too critical of your driving…..you just can’t “dump” the clutch like that and expect a decent 0-60 acceleration runs. You have to learn to drive manuals with some clutch slip when you are trying to accelerate away hard yet offering proper and necessary traction. Just trying to offer a constructive “criticism”. Thanks for listening and keep up the good works!
Absolutely dumping the clutch or popping the clutch depending on how old you are. Try that on a more powerful car or a sport bike.... not going to end well.
I’m a long time VE/Audi enthusiast. Currently own a 35th Anniversary GLI. Probably will pick the Elantra N over the GTI and GLI this time. It’ll be quicker and cheaper. My only concern with the Elantra N is reliability.
It’s not quicker. The GTI is extremely underrated and that’s coming from an Elantra owner.
What kind of Elantra are you talking about?
No way will I give a 35th over for an N. The 35th with a stage 1 will smoke the N, and if u lower your GLI it will handle close to the N. The handling on the GLI is ridiculous.
Great performance, yes. I really wish Honda would take note and get the Civic Si on par with these two. Technology and every day livability? Nope... not until they give us buttons and volume knobs again
I need the Jetta Interior electronics with the buttons and stuff set up in the GTI and I’m set
Now that I work at a VW dealer and we are getting a GTI S in a few weeks I’m very interested
Although I love cars with bigger space but I am choosing the Golf GTI.
Remember the video on 2019 gli you were soo impressed!now on 2022 no enthusiasm in gli:)!
Great video!
I like how the Golf hasn't grown much in size and still looks like a Golf. I wish Honda/Acura followed the same formula.
I’ll take these over a Civic Type R & a Civic SI anyday
Type R is more of a Golf R competitor
The GTI manual transmission can do 0-60 in 6 seconds or even 5.9 seconds with summer/performance tires if launched properly. Motor week did it in 6 seconds flat and quarter mile in an impressive 14.5 seconds
Always enjoy your reviews, keep up the great work!
I like it. Looks 1 step closer to the Scirocco, which we've been waiting for in the US Market!
I still miss my MK2 GTI, purchased new in 1985. In my mind, A GTI should have a 2 door option.
2 doors are dead unfortunately. And soon the stick shift will be too. Cars are getting more and more boring.
Turbo's are harder to launch. In my 2.0L NA Civic, I'll ride the clutch while the fronts are struggling for traction and then do the fast drop and floor it once momentum is sufficient. Stupid easy to do when the car's your daily. Result, is no one is able to get the drop on you at the lights. That initial power at 1000rpm is priceless when it's enough to brake lose my 215/55/16 dedicated summer tires. The 13lb RPF1 rims and premium fuel also helps. Given those launches, your left foot needs to develop some finesse and it's ok to ride the clutch a bit when you mean business.
The front diff is a clutch type mechanical that is electronically controlled.
GLI has the lesser hp/tq and is made in Mexico. The GTI is made in Germany.
I think the cars made in Germany are still better quality...the main reason I didn't buy a new tdi...
Agreed , i got a 21 white autobahn gli… fucking still love it after 2 years of owning
i am absolutely getting a jetta gli manual version next year for sure
Did u ever get it.
no.... yet to have to immigrate to Canada, its gonna get delayed for another year :( @@brobob52
Just saw a new GTI in white (with black wheels) in SE trim at a dealership yesterday afternoon. Looks very sharp inside and out. The screens look amazing but I can see why people would be turned off by the buttons, or lack thereof. Still, it wouldn’t be a dealbreaker for me. I didn’t drive the car, and won’t unless I get serious about buying one.
The GLI is cheap by comparison, but I think it’s a good value. But the design is really starting to seem dated, as it looks mostly like the same Jetta VW has made for several years.
Would take a Golf over a Civic or Hyundai any day! This is legit the real deal, not some wannabe! From a serviceman who has driven in the worst road conditions. 😎
Was hoping to see the 6 speed manual of both in this video.
Same. If I'm going to go with DSG, I'd rather spend just a little more to get an A3 and avoid the absolute crap software from the new Golf and capacitive wheel buttons on both.
Nice ,well im keeping my 2020 GLI autobahn Dsg black package ,absolutely love mine thanks,great video
I’m cross shopping GLI and Elantra N. GLI is ahead for me; Hyundai left off too many features, like cooled seats and seat memory. Great review, Sofian.
I’ve got a 2021 and it is a very nice. Tuned the car to stage 1 (300hp/346lb-ft) and it is a dream now. Highly recommend it
I bet the GLI will be cheaper too or at best the same price. I think these two cars will cross shopped a lot. The interiors on the VW's appear to be far superior to the Hyundai N's. The big no is the touch controls all over.
Looks are subjective but in my opinion both the GLI and the Elantra N are some of the ugliest sedans on the market. I’d go with a GTI instead, looks good and has better materials than a GLI. It depends what you’re looking for, if you’re looking for performance the Elantra N would be better since it’s DCT and engine setup is more powerful than the GLI. If you’re looking for something with more features and a better overall interior then GLI would definitely be better. But in your case I think a GLI would be better for you since you mentioned that you didn’t like Hyundai left features out.
@@BoldBrandFlakes most GLI owners do stage 1 which makes the car 310 Hp and faster than the N for 600 dollars
@@najminmalcusis15 What about the warranty?
This is a GREAT review, very impressed with the details
i'm on my 3rd gti. 2018 mk7, S trim. bought it new for $22,700. they are now on sale for about $10k more :(
Bidenflation
The only thing holding me back from buying the GTI is what I hear about reliability, and things breaking a bit more on VW's and the parts/labor costs way more than others? My current car is a normal economy car but in 10 years 110k miles only has needed oil changes and just recently a 2nd battery that's it. If this is possible in the GTI i'm sold.
Same here with me and my 2006 Mazda3 sedan with a manual. 17 years of trouble-free driving. General maintenance only. Oil, filters, battery, tires, never had to go back to the shop for repairs. I am now shopping for a new 2023 Mazda H/B with a manual but I have considered the GTI and the Civic SI. And the Civic Sport Touring, but I favor the Mazda still because it has a naturally aspirated motor that I believe will be more dependable to own than any turbo-assisted motor. And the interior is definitely better than the rest for my needs. But, I do wish I could still get the manual in a Mazda3 sedan!
The move to all haptic controls and a lackluster and mostly unchanged GLI have made me move to the Mazda3 Turbo Hatchback. What I lose in all out performance I gain in far improved interior build quality and technology.
i feel got lucky in 2017 picking up a new/ used jetta GLI 2017 (only had 3k miles on it, saved me $10k) in the pearl black, put some serious miles on it trips cross country, great fuel milage (average 40mpg) and handling. haven't seen any or many in my travels. had unfortunate EPC light come on at 67k miles and dealership took to had trouble fixing problem to point a new create motor was installed (so i was told new create). took while for it to perform almost as good as the original motor, and was loosing qt oil somewhere every 3k miles for the first 10k. since then appears to be fine, check it every couple weeks or 2 tank fills of gas. going to be long while before buy another new car unless old school US no computers.
great review, but does make you wish Ford would offer the Focus MK4 ST in US/CAN, great hot-hatch sales opportunity missed, and much more performance for the money. New MK4 facelift due January 2022 in UK/EU -- first time without Recaro seats too.
I love my 2021 GLI S model, the steering wheel looks much better. VW by removing the GLI S has made the GTI S the better buy.
I was able to order a 21 GLI S brand new last weekend. Can't wait to pick it up
@@HarryTwatter you will love it , first mod should be exhaust my only complaint is it’s too quiet .
Very nice but im pretty happy with my manual 2021 autobah Gli i lucked out and was able to get the last one in the immediate shipping area 8m very satisfied with the 2021 i do like new look if the 2022 but the 2021 is still a sexy car in gun metal grey
Agreed - I ordered mine and it took abut a month to deliver from Mexic- - because I wanted the Pure Grey. I love it too!
I hate the lack of physical/traditional knobs in the GTI. Save a few bucks and keep traditional knobs in there,, less that will break as well.
No buttons actually saves money hence the reason they went with the touch interface. Prefer buttons too!
GTI hands down sounds way better! Not even close.
You are good at this. Bravo 👏
Weird times when everyone ignores big performance increases and worries about a user interface....... I just want a nice stereo and android auto . This will be my next car when my miata goes back.
Always enjoy these reviews, great details and casual yet entertaining approach (minus the use of “notate” at the end lol… really?? “Notate”???). GTI for me, even with the whole stupid infotainment and lack of buttons/knobs. Pricing very competitive in Canada, actually less than a Civic hatch 6 speed with the turbo. Love the Mazda3 turbo but no stick available and too expensive. Cheers. 🇨🇦
what about gear realibility?
"They've been offering that for a few years now."
Jetta GLI MK1 was released in 1984.
Man, thats good review but unfortunately the picture is so much distorted. The car shape looks funny. If you use a better camera, would be perfect
Good video as always. Ive watched so many comparisons and reviews of these cars, and factoring in price vs features the GLI is a no brainer winner IMO. Unless you just have to have a hatchback and/or hate sedans, the 2022 GLI is better in almost every way. The new system interface in the GTI is a major problem that too many people overlook because "it drives great". Again, just my opinion but until VW fixes the TERRIBLE interface with the GTI or lowers the price by about $8000 the decision should be between the 2022 GLI and a used MK7.5 GTI.
the GLI is assembled in Mexico, and the GTI is assembled in Wolfsburg. that's the deal breaker for me. also the beats audio SUX in comparison to the Harman/Kardon you get in the GTI.
If the GTI still had the interior of the MK7.5, it’d be perfect. The interior materials and ergonomics of the MK8 are trash.
The lime green is a great colour
One of these days car journalists should start talking about reliability. My new GLI was a piece of trash and I traded it for a new Mazda 3 hatchback which blows its doors off in every way.
They’re more interested in showing off how they can “launch” a car- which is always really cringe
You had a MK7 GLI? I've had mine for two years and have had no reliability issues. My last four cars before the GLI were Mazdas (3, CX9, 6, CX5) - And they were nice, but I would have no problems with my next car being another MK7 GLI. It's been great. (I know the 3 interior is fantastic - still not enough to make me go back)
@@MarcChevalier yeah idk what he’s talking bout I own a tuned mk7 gli from 2019 no issues
when my TDI dies I'm getting one of these.
the gti looks great
I honestly wonder why for the 2022 model year they didn’t put in the ea888 gen 4 in the GLI just like in the mk8 GTI.
GLI always a few years behind the GTI, definitely weird.
Yeah they really cheap out on the Jetta. It’s always a gen behind.
The GLI really should have the matching stitching on the rear door panels, that's quote a mistake, as are the boring rims😏
One of many.
love that color
Nice review! Did you say it has less cargo space than the MK7.5?
Excellent review!!
Gli is a decent car for my wife. She is pumped about it.
GTI color = Mustard
I can tell by the amber tail lights that the GTI is imported. If I'm not mistaken the GLI is assembled in Chattanooga, TN. Anyway, boy does the GLI look cheap. From the stamped plastic model pop-out grill, pedestrian wheels and tires. Noway it looks like a performance sedan. Both cars have leather seats, but it looks like the thinnest cheapest leather they could find. There's already wrinkles in it.
Okay. Pick one for your next purchase:
1) VW GTI (probably S/SE) or GLI
2) Hyundai Elantra N
3) Subaru WRX
4) Acura Integra
Have a 2019 GLI now - love it. And will probably go for a '22 GLI. (unless the ever-expanding kids necessitate a '22 Arteon .. but I will not buy an SUV or a minivan)
I would go with the Elantra N. Great performance and price.
@@MarcChevalier They’re are all straight sh**ing on the infotainment system on the new GTI. I love the look, and I’m sure it’ll be something you get used to, but that is every reviewers sentiment. I also start to think, if you go Autobahn package, you’re entering The New Z territory, and thought it’s a different type of car, 400HP is 400 HP…
@@Leequan4 I think that’s the route I’m going-if the seats aren’t crazy uncomfortable for my fat ass! 😆
@@MarcChevalier If that Arteon shooting brake would actually come to the US-all bets may be off. That’s a great looking car!
Sound, GTi for sure....
Did you notice any rev hang on the manual gti?
there's definitely a bit of rev. hang.
Hopefully the 2023 GLI will get the gen4 EA888 engine, fog lights instead of those fake ugly red sideways soap dishes, and maybe some upgrades for the rear passengers.
If it does - I'll trade in my '21 GLI Autobahn for it.
I’d have to do something about those red inserts on the GLI. Knowing VW it’s all one piece and they don’t pop out. I like wheels on the GLI and I might to snatch one while they still have push buttons and a cleaner though older infotainment system.
The buttons are absolutely not a problem once you get past the first couple of hours - and you can program shortcuts for things you really need. Also (and this is a big one!!!!) why is the US spec car so power-restricted? Is that because of the emission laws?? The proper EU spec GTI 0-60 time is 5 secs (or just under in the real world) rather than the US version's paltry 6.3 secs! That's a HUGE difference!! And I feel that people buying the US spec model are just NOT getting the proper GTI experience that makes this car so popular and desirable in Europe.
How do you set a Speed Limit Warning? (I'm not talking about the winter tires warning). Seems like it was easy to do on previous models and on the Jetta, but I can't figure out how to set a Speed Limit Warning for the new 2022 GLI. Thanks so much! :)
Where's the merch site?