The music man. When the party allowed Cloud through the rift and Vincent said “Go, she needs you”. Man that hit hard, and knowing that Cloud fought through his demon and actually saved her, despite the outcome was powerful. Especially given what he had been through mentally.
@@stormbringer7773 He did save her though. Not that it isn't just obvious, but Sephiroth said, "When you defy fate, it creates a new world." We saw the same thing happen at the end of Remake, and when Zack went to Shinra HQ, Sector 6 slums, and the Sector 5 church. I know the Ultimania just confirmed my theory yesterday, but I thought it was pretty obvious when the massive rainbow light shot hit and the fact that Tifa was seeing Aerith alive and dead... It's not just in Cloud's mind.
@@Troyadvica2472 She's dead though. We literally see her die just like in the OG game. Only difference is she seems to be alive in another alternate world. We know she's dead cause everyone else is mourning her death instead of Cloud who thinks he saved her which will probably be revealed to him that he didn't in Part 3 when they go back to the Forgotten Capital.
@@stormbringer7773 no. When Cloud saved her it created a new timeline. One where she is safe and surrounded by her friends. I thought it was obvious, but now the Ultamania has confirmed it.
@@Troyadvica2472 Exactly. Thats why Tifa can get a glimpse of that reality (where Aerith is alive, with no blood on her) since she fell into the lifestream. Cloud technically saved Aerith and created a new reality, where she is alive and fights Sephiroth with him. But she sends him back to his own reality after that. Problem is she doesnt tell him the truth and Cloud is stuck between 2 realities now, where he thinks he saved Aerith and doesnt even realize that "his" Aerith died, because she had to go into the lifestream to stop meteor.
Sephiroth explained everytime destiny is altered a new rift is created with alternate realities. When cloud blocked off sephs sword it created a new rift in time where Aerith is alive somewhere, although not quite long enough to save her in our own timeline
So Sephiroth went all Goku Black on us, cutting a rip in space-time with his blade, having a good old game of "mines bigger than yours" between Goku Black and Sephiroth 😂
I think Cloud saves her on our timeline but the game puts inmediately another one where she dies (the altered reality that is created when destiny is changed). I mean, we saw clearly how he saves her on real time.
@@IelnarExactly! We know Cloud saved Aerith in the Remake timeline, so the Aerith that we saw die couldn’t have possibly been the same Aerith. That doesn't really make sense.
Was that Aerith he saved though? They said many times that Jenova will become anyone to fool her prey, those we love those we hate. Why would Aerith have given Cloud the black materia?
@@jaybee4288she gave Cloud the black material because she trusted him. She lives within the the lifestream so she can see past things that Sephiroth plants in her way
So if I had to guess, Aerith from remake timeline is dead, while Aerith in Zack's timeline isn't. Aerith now has her own whispers. And Cloud is now the only person that can see her
More like there are two timelines now, one where Cloud saved Aerith and other where she dies. It must be it, otherwise there is no point to introduce timelines stuff. Don't forget we're having a third game.
I think Sephiroth has control of the whispers of fate which is why they open that portal for Cloud when he uses Aerith's name and the white whispers are the whispers of the planet. Sephiroth manipulated the party into killing the whispers of fate and somehow that gives Sephiroth control of them which is why they look different than the previous game. Sephiroth wants Cloud to save Aerith in one timeline because her dying is what ultimately leads to his defeat so he wants her alive in one timeline then he will merge all of the timelines.
@@DigimonVidsI like ShrodingersBabySeal’s take that it’s not an alternate timeline where she’s alive, it’s that Aerith from the lifestream is blocking Cloud from seeing her dead to keep his mind from shattering like Sephiroth wants. His evidence of that is based on seeing the lifestream burst from Cloud’s sword as his prepping to block the attack and the lifestream also comes out of Aerith after he “saves” her. The reality is Aerith is dead but Cloud just doesn’t know it. Which is why we don’t get the burial scene and also why we see the static split between dead and alive Aerith, the party is seeing her dead which is reality, while Cloud’s mind is seeing her as alive. It all plays into Cloud being an unreliable narrator and builds on the fact that his memories are completely trashed right now along with his mental state.
There’s more than 2 timelines, we saw multiple timelines here where she died. There’s plenty of different Stamps out here. Zack created 3 new ones and Cloud created one here. I think it’s like 11 or so timelines. In every world Aerith died except one.
What would have happened if Aerith didn’t have the white “holy” materia with her and had her blank materia? I genuinely think that Aerith would still be alive since Sephiroth would have no need to kill her as she didn’t possess the thing to stop him.
In part 3, things will change drastically, but sadly no promises can be made. Thing is, What can be done is, by finding Hojo, Cloud can quickly change the shortcut from chasing Sephiroth. Everytime he chases Sephiroth, Sephiroth always ends up two steps ahead in the original, and in this one, the stakes are higher. There's a multiverse, meaning if all Aeriths are killed, even though they may come through the lifestream, there's a chance now that Sephiroth can figure out how to pull meteor through, not even letting Holy temporarily prevent meteor from coming through. See, it's the lifestream that Aerith conjures up to support Holy, although- Sephiroth can change that. By possibly corrupting Cloud, maybe Aerith would be focused on changing cloud so that in time when Seph conjures Meteor, it's too late and Aerith can't use the lifestream to support or prevent meteor. But the whole point is like a commenter said, Schrodinger's Gaia. Either the end result is that Meteor completely obliterates Midgar and possibly Gaia, or does not and gets prevented. Or the same OG sequence plays out. But because this time, Sephiroth knows what happens, as he's post A.C, he's going to try to stop that process from happening, or go a different route whereby, he fulfills Jenova's plans. Which is infecting the populace, lifeforms of Gaia, or using the planet as a dead spaceship, to sail to another Earth like planet or habitable planet and infect other organisms again. The fact is, Sephiroth may win in the third game, though hopefully- he does not. Aerith being alive in another timeline doesn't detract the fact that she can still use Holy and support the lifestream and prevent Sephiroth from using meteor. In two instances, Cloud was shifted by either Aerith or Seph's ability to change worlds (4d chess match), thereby the Aerith that is dead is now in the lifestream. The same happens, but Seph knows that and either wants to change it, or doesn't bother. So, the live Aerith in the saved time line, can possibly communicate with the dead aerith, or cannot. It's difficult to say for sure since the writers may fizzle their brains out and make a shit ending because of how complicated they made it for themselves. But the writers are smart, surely... they can figure out how to bring aerith back alive, in some way whilst maintaining the stakes, the similar outcomes, but changing it to a point where it's better than a "Hollywood" ending. One that feels well deserved. Like, Cloud feels and knows and lives with the pain, but somehow he decides this is enough, and changes it. He doesn't give the materia to Sephiroth. He goes for Hojo instead, every decision that is made in the OG game, he hopefully has a modicum of self awareness to change that path. Maybe in part 3, he realises what giving the materia to Seph does, and instead gives the materia to Barrett, plunges his sword in the crystal, killing Sephiroth's hibernating body and the 4d A.C Seph tries to stop him... there are many possibilities. But the end is either aerith lives in her own time line, or gets brought to the one where cloud and the rest lives. Maybe Gaia gets destroyed, or doesn't by meteor. Maybe Midgar gets destroyed, or the weapons overcome Midgar. Or Jenova overcomes all, or doesn't. So these are the three main questions, what does the end result entail? The OG fans want the OG, but it's pointless as we've already seen it. The question remains what new ending can be achieved? Is it a bittersweet one, a bad one, a "good" one, or a happy ever after? Do they want to detract Aerith's sacrifice, like the Christian worldview of Christ's sacrifice or other types of messianic sacrifices?
In a way she needed to go. To return to the Livestream... I think thats how Holy (the white materia) works. We didn't get it then but we understand now. Sometimes a sacrifice is needed
Not really. Holy works to summon the barrier against meteor but you saw how the OG presents it, aerith calls everyone in the lifestream (by the book, think it's canon), to support Holy. Honestly, it's uncertain if a sacrifice is needed but.... Its kinda unnecessary.
Dunno why they have to leave their games off without a proper explanation only to explain it explicitly in the next game. Remake: oh weird. Can Aerith see the future? What happens when she touches people and they go all glitchy? Are they seeing the future? i dunno its a mystery they dont want to explain I guess. Literally second chapter of Rebirth: "Oh yeah, I 100% was totally able to see the future but I forgot it all now."
@@m0002856 cliffhangers. that is what sells next episode. tbh i dont even mind, under the condition that the actuall resolving of all the plots is well executed and not some shit writing with deus ex machina etc.
@@vegas3352 Played the first game and made a promise to myself that I wouldn't pay SE any more money to keep turning this franchise into a fucked up Kingdom Hearts flipper baby. I have taken some time to watch people play through the story, and I clearly made the right call because the direction they've decided to take this is depressingly bad.
Better to slaughter something, I mean, you've got the OG game? What's the point of having it play the same? Even in Re4 remake, or the remakes, people will complain. Better to do something new. People hate change, that's why. They feel they deserve the nostalgia, their ego drives them forward. This is why games are failing. Because people want the same shit. Too much pandering. It's time the writers write. Exactly, you lot are worst out of them, if you wanna complain, make your own damn game. Ive seen people make fan projects of FF8 on UE5, why not do that? Put your head where your mouth is. Even remakes like Dune part 2 changes a few things and you'd still complain, who gives? This is interesting. Why, you lot also complain about shit writing in Marvel. Because of you lot, that's the reason why the game industry is shit.
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The music man. When the party allowed Cloud through the rift and Vincent said “Go, she needs you”. Man that hit hard, and knowing that Cloud fought through his demon and actually saved her, despite the outcome was powerful. Especially given what he had been through mentally.
He didn't save her though.
@@stormbringer7773 He did save her though. Not that it isn't just obvious, but Sephiroth said, "When you defy fate, it creates a new world." We saw the same thing happen at the end of Remake, and when Zack went to Shinra HQ, Sector 6 slums, and the Sector 5 church. I know the Ultimania just confirmed my theory yesterday, but I thought it was pretty obvious when the massive rainbow light shot hit and the fact that Tifa was seeing Aerith alive and dead... It's not just in Cloud's mind.
@@Troyadvica2472 She's dead though. We literally see her die just like in the OG game. Only difference is she seems to be alive in another alternate world. We know she's dead cause everyone else is mourning her death instead of Cloud who thinks he saved her which will probably be revealed to him that he didn't in Part 3 when they go back to the Forgotten Capital.
@@stormbringer7773 no. When Cloud saved her it created a new timeline. One where she is safe and surrounded by her friends. I thought it was obvious, but now the Ultamania has confirmed it.
@@Troyadvica2472 Exactly. Thats why Tifa can get a glimpse of that reality (where Aerith is alive, with no blood on her) since she fell into the lifestream. Cloud technically saved Aerith and created a new reality, where she is alive and fights Sephiroth with him. But she sends him back to his own reality after that. Problem is she doesnt tell him the truth and Cloud is stuck between 2 realities now, where he thinks he saved Aerith and doesnt even realize that "his" Aerith died, because she had to go into the lifestream to stop meteor.
Sephiroth explained everytime destiny is altered a new rift is created with alternate realities. When cloud blocked off sephs sword it created a new rift in time where Aerith is alive somewhere, although not quite long enough to save her in our own timeline
So Sephiroth went all Goku Black on us, cutting a rip in space-time with his blade, having a good old game of "mines bigger than yours" between Goku Black and Sephiroth 😂
I think Cloud saves her on our timeline but the game puts inmediately another one where she dies (the altered reality that is created when destiny is changed). I mean, we saw clearly how he saves her on real time.
@@IelnarExactly! We know Cloud saved Aerith in the Remake timeline, so the Aerith that we saw die couldn’t have possibly been the same Aerith. That doesn't really make sense.
Was that Aerith he saved though? They said many times that Jenova will become anyone to fool her prey, those we love those we hate. Why would Aerith have given Cloud the black materia?
@@jaybee4288she gave Cloud the black material because she trusted him. She lives within the the lifestream so she can see past things that Sephiroth plants in her way
So if I had to guess, Aerith from remake timeline is dead, while Aerith in Zack's timeline isn't. Aerith now has her own whispers. And Cloud is now the only person that can see her
More like there are two timelines now, one where Cloud saved Aerith and other where she dies. It must be it, otherwise there is no point to introduce timelines stuff.
Don't forget we're having a third game.
No, there are now two version on remake Aerith, one that died and one cloud saved but the one she saved is in a world on she and cloud can perceive
I think Sephiroth has control of the whispers of fate which is why they open that portal for Cloud when he uses Aerith's name and the white whispers are the whispers of the planet. Sephiroth manipulated the party into killing the whispers of fate and somehow that gives Sephiroth control of them which is why they look different than the previous game.
Sephiroth wants Cloud to save Aerith in one timeline because her dying is what ultimately leads to his defeat so he wants her alive in one timeline then he will merge all of the timelines.
@@DigimonVidsI like ShrodingersBabySeal’s take that it’s not an alternate timeline where she’s alive, it’s that Aerith from the lifestream is blocking Cloud from seeing her dead to keep his mind from shattering like Sephiroth wants. His evidence of that is based on seeing the lifestream burst from Cloud’s sword as his prepping to block the attack and the lifestream also comes out of Aerith after he “saves” her. The reality is Aerith is dead but Cloud just doesn’t know it. Which is why we don’t get the burial scene and also why we see the static split between dead and alive Aerith, the party is seeing her dead which is reality, while Cloud’s mind is seeing her as alive. It all plays into Cloud being an unreliable narrator and builds on the fact that his memories are completely trashed right now along with his mental state.
There’s more than 2 timelines, we saw multiple timelines here where she died. There’s plenty of different Stamps out here. Zack created 3 new ones and Cloud created one here. I think it’s like 11 or so timelines. In every world Aerith died except one.
What would have happened if Aerith didn’t have the white “holy” materia with her and had her blank materia? I genuinely think that Aerith would still be alive since Sephiroth would have no need to kill her as she didn’t possess the thing to stop him.
In part 3, things will change drastically, but sadly no promises can be made. Thing is, What can be done is, by finding Hojo, Cloud can quickly change the shortcut from chasing Sephiroth. Everytime he chases Sephiroth, Sephiroth always ends up two steps ahead in the original, and in this one, the stakes are higher. There's a multiverse, meaning if all Aeriths are killed, even though they may come through the lifestream, there's a chance now that Sephiroth can figure out how to pull meteor through, not even letting Holy temporarily prevent meteor from coming through. See, it's the lifestream that Aerith conjures up to support Holy, although- Sephiroth can change that. By possibly corrupting Cloud, maybe Aerith would be focused on changing cloud so that in time when Seph conjures Meteor, it's too late and Aerith can't use the lifestream to support or prevent meteor. But the whole point is like a commenter said, Schrodinger's Gaia. Either the end result is that Meteor completely obliterates Midgar and possibly Gaia, or does not and gets prevented. Or the same OG sequence plays out. But because this time, Sephiroth knows what happens, as he's post A.C, he's going to try to stop that process from happening, or go a different route whereby, he fulfills Jenova's plans. Which is infecting the populace, lifeforms of Gaia, or using the planet as a dead spaceship, to sail to another Earth like planet or habitable planet and infect other organisms again. The fact is, Sephiroth may win in the third game, though hopefully- he does not. Aerith being alive in another timeline doesn't detract the fact that she can still use Holy and support the lifestream and prevent Sephiroth from using meteor. In two instances, Cloud was shifted by either Aerith or Seph's ability to change worlds (4d chess match), thereby the Aerith that is dead is now in the lifestream. The same happens, but Seph knows that and either wants to change it, or doesn't bother. So, the live Aerith in the saved time line, can possibly communicate with the dead aerith, or cannot. It's difficult to say for sure since the writers may fizzle their brains out and make a shit ending because of how complicated they made it for themselves. But the writers are smart, surely... they can figure out how to bring aerith back alive, in some way whilst maintaining the stakes, the similar outcomes, but changing it to a point where it's better than a "Hollywood" ending. One that feels well deserved. Like, Cloud feels and knows and lives with the pain, but somehow he decides this is enough, and changes it. He doesn't give the materia to Sephiroth. He goes for Hojo instead, every decision that is made in the OG game, he hopefully has a modicum of self awareness to change that path. Maybe in part 3, he realises what giving the materia to Seph does, and instead gives the materia to Barrett, plunges his sword in the crystal, killing Sephiroth's hibernating body and the 4d A.C Seph tries to stop him... there are many possibilities. But the end is either aerith lives in her own time line, or gets brought to the one where cloud and the rest lives. Maybe Gaia gets destroyed, or doesn't by meteor. Maybe Midgar gets destroyed, or the weapons overcome Midgar. Or Jenova overcomes all, or doesn't. So these are the three main questions, what does the end result entail? The OG fans want the OG, but it's pointless as we've already seen it. The question remains what new ending can be achieved? Is it a bittersweet one, a bad one, a "good" one, or a happy ever after? Do they want to detract Aerith's sacrifice, like the Christian worldview of Christ's sacrifice or other types of messianic sacrifices?
In a way she needed to go. To return to the Livestream... I think thats how Holy (the white materia) works. We didn't get it then but we understand now. Sometimes a sacrifice is needed
Not really. Holy works to summon the barrier against meteor but you saw how the OG presents it, aerith calls everyone in the lifestream (by the book, think it's canon), to support Holy. Honestly, it's uncertain if a sacrifice is needed but.... Its kinda unnecessary.
14:00 This is the only time Vincent shows he gives an F about anything going on.
Would Whispers that are bad at doing their job be called "Careless Whispers"? 😂
GET OUT.
@@ethicalapemen3686 😂😂😂
@@ethicalapemen3686 fair enough, but should I Wake you up before I Go-Go?
@@ethicalapemen3686 c'mon, don't lie, you laughed 😁
"7 seconds til the end, but what will you do with it i wonder?"
Apparently deflect sephiroths blade.
This scene wasn't the pivotal moment
@CircuitReborn Have Yuffie cast stop.
Me: Oh hey. Cloud was actually able to sa-
*glitch
Me: Oh wait…..Nevermind. She’s still dead.
Edit:
Me: Well, nevermind. Then again, nevermind.
Dunno why they have to leave their games off without a proper explanation only to explain it explicitly in the next game. Remake: oh weird. Can Aerith see the future? What happens when she touches people and they go all glitchy? Are they seeing the future? i dunno its a mystery they dont want to explain I guess.
Literally second chapter of Rebirth: "Oh yeah, I 100% was totally able to see the future but I forgot it all now."
@@m0002856lot of words to explain you're too dumb to get what's going on but ok
@@m0002856 cliffhangers. that is what sells next episode. tbh i dont even mind, under the condition that the actuall resolving of all the plots is well executed and not some shit writing with deus ex machina etc.
@@m0002856and now you know what feels like playing kingdom hearts
First comment:)
What the actual fuck is this? What a disaster this "remake" has been. A slaughtering of the original, such a damn shame.
You have no idea what you are talking cause you clearly didn't play the game to connect the dots of what's happening.
@@vegas3352 Played the first game and made a promise to myself that I wouldn't pay SE any more money to keep turning this franchise into a fucked up Kingdom Hearts flipper baby. I have taken some time to watch people play through the story, and I clearly made the right call because the direction they've decided to take this is depressingly bad.
@@girthpapi Right so you understood nothing and are now judt whining
Better to slaughter something, I mean, you've got the OG game? What's the point of having it play the same? Even in Re4 remake, or the remakes, people will complain. Better to do something new. People hate change, that's why. They feel they deserve the nostalgia, their ego drives them forward. This is why games are failing. Because people want the same shit. Too much pandering. It's time the writers write. Exactly, you lot are worst out of them, if you wanna complain, make your own damn game. Ive seen people make fan projects of FF8 on UE5, why not do that? Put your head where your mouth is. Even remakes like Dune part 2 changes a few things and you'd still complain, who gives? This is interesting. Why, you lot also complain about shit writing in Marvel. Because of you lot, that's the reason why the game industry is shit.
Fucking whiners. Yeah, I hate it too, but at least unlike the OG, things get a little interesting. The question is, can they tie up their own ends?