(1872) Antique Wafer Lock with Side Pins
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- čas přidán 22. 03. 2021
- In video 1872 we'll look at an unusual antique wafer lock that incorporates side pins into the design. Alex from LA loaned me this lock - probably to contribute to my looonnnngggg list of gutting failures. Surprisingly, it worked out fine.
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Bill, the oversized cylinder you have was patented in 1889 on July 30th by Thomas Taylor. He was an inventor for the Norwalk Lock Company. He was paid ONE DOLLAR for the patent as he was already a Norwalk employee during it's design. Oddly the sidepins were not for security, but rather a countermeasure to key & tumbler wear. The lock was expensive in it's time. Combine that with keyblanks that were hard to come by, (and as you now know) huge keyhole and decreased pick protection, as well as a dispute by Mr. Taylor, it was (and even more so now) fairly rare. A masterkeyed version was also made that was so sloppy an ice cream stick could be employed to jiggle it open. Patent #408147. I am now a watcher of your video series! --Vince
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How many people were saying to your device, "look at the lock body Bill"? This is what I love about Bill he's the real deal, he doesn't do it a hundred times off camera.
Thanks for the video on this lock. I came across one of these locks a few years ago in Buffalo, NY and did not know what it was, I have been a locksmith for nearly 30yrs. At the time I showed it to a locksmith friend of mine who was a locksmith for over 60years, and he did not know what it was. We ended up taking it apart together and photographed it, and the wafers do come out. Thanks again!
I spotted the pin holding in the wafers and that seems to be the only way to remove them. I can only imagine how much of a pain it would be to reassemble once someone removes the springs and wafers. Very cool lock none the less. Thanks Alex for sending the lock and thank you Bill for sharing it with us.
Easy enough to assemble, but to change the cut not easy, as likely that pin is fitted into an interference fit at the front and rear.
Saw it also.
What I love about your video's is that it's like being in your head, hearing your thought process and figuring things out, that's one of my favorite things about your video's Bill!
these are some of the coolest locks I have ever seen!
_Wafer 1_ : "What's goin' on? Who turned on those lights?"
_Wafer 2_ : "I thought we hired those pins to keep things outta here!"
_Bill pokes wafer_
_Wafer 1_ : "Hey, HEY! Poke me again and I'll throw a spring!"
_Audience_ : "Go ahead, happens all the time."
Hahahaha!
"That's a huge core."
I kept wanting to scream at the screen that the pins are functioning as a side bar but then he figured it out
Yeah, I'm a little slow sometimes....
@@bosnianbill and these videos show us that you're genuine. Thanks Bill.
Bill, there appears to be a small pin through the hinge points of the wafers. One side the pin is "peened" like it was removed once. I'll bet that if you push that pin out the wafers will come right out.
It looks like those brass strips running lengthwise slide out to allow the wafers to be changed.
Looks like there is a pivot pin through the barrel to allow the wafers to pivot, so you would need to get that out first, and I would guess it will need a new one going back in, as not likely to survive the removal process.
11:03 Yup.
Very cool! Have never come across a lock like that before. Thanks to you and Alex for sharing it with us 👍🏻
Wow, that is one beat up old lock.
The wafers are nearly worn down to the nub.
Very cool .... love to see more oddities
This is the 2nd lock in the past couple of weeks that are very unique. I'm quite certain I've never seen a lock like this! Also, the weird size of the plug makes this lock even more strange and unique. I wonder where these locks come from????
Looks like that lock got a souvenir from the last person it bit. Weird design, shame it's tolerances weren't a lot tighter. Might have been more challenging. Maybe it's just old and tired, but still able to surprise and teach something new.
Hi Bill, this lock is very similar construction principle like Ingersoll locks key moves wafers or levers and when lever is in right position sidebat / side pin in this case is able to be pushed into cilinde and not protrude in groove in lock body... and some fitchet locks are similar too
Cool old lock
That was very cool to see! I kept screaming at you (about that pin too), but mostly 'cause I thought you were going to impale yourself on camera with that probe!! Tip: sharpen your probe, and dip it in antiseptic before each use... ;-)
Definately a unique lock, very cool!
Looks like one of the mad French locks, like on ( the lock nest) you tube site!
Very interesting lock, thanks for sharing with us.
Thanks for the video 🔑🔒👍
Nice job and video like always
I kind of figured out the pins were acting as a side bar early on, I think to take it down further, you'd have to drill out that pin holding the springs in.
Cool lock. Good job!
Interesting lock. My favorite videos are of the locks you found on your travels especially when the locks are really bad with false advertising.
Good morning Bill
Very cool lock
I'm calling it! The hair was a Bigfoot hair!!!!
There is a pin going through the wafers acting as a pivot. The individual pins act as a sidebar.
Agreed, the pin is visible from 9:45 just in front of the probe.
Which means you have to remove the pin to get the wafers out. And they are spring loaded too. Obviously needs a clean, although to get all 5 wafers working might be impossible due to the wear.
That's what I thought. When he took it apart at first got quick look at the cut inside the housing where I presume the pins sit and stop core turning. Gotta be some way to get the wafers out
Very interesting vintage Mortise lock cylinder -- never seen anything like it before. Whoever made that key obviously understood how the lock worked -- Thanks for sharing Alex from LA; perhaps you Alex could give us any history of that Mortise cylinder?
My guess on the key is that they had the original key, but it was entirely worn out or perhaps broken, so they used it to make a new one.
I love gutting disasters
I'm sure the brass strips need removing , this will allow springs on wafers to be removed releasing all tension , the slide pin running through holding the wafers should be able to be tapped out releasing the wafers fully.
My guess is that the original key had different length pins and side impressions in the key for them to drop into. By replacing them all with undersized pins of the same length, a normal homemade key would work?
Looks like pins act almost like a sidebar. Groove in the side of lock body.
Yay. I was right!!
Bill look at brass strip on top of cylinder and it looks crimped in and I agree that once the wafers are in the cylinder that they are not made to come out
This looks like a similar mechanism to the Ingersoll lever padlock cores, the wafers are really levers hinged on an axel, instead of a stump for the entire lever pack each lever gets its own....the pin.
That one is new to me, but a lot of locks are outside my experience.
A lock full of weirdness, send it to the Lock Lab for Bill to play with.
"it's growing hair" lol
Interesting lock. Does the mystery of this lock make it a better lock?
Maybe you have push both side of the springs in at the same time. Also others commented on the pin i was that too the end looks bent. Nice video!
Never seen the like Bill. I wish we could see how a new one performed as this one is well past the use by date.
that was one of the weirdest locks i've seen
Hi bud they say these things are sent to try us l guess this one was sent to try you lol, great vid
It Is A NORWALK Oversize Mortise Cylinder And The Only Company That Makes A Replacement
For Those Vintage Mortise Locks Is MEDECO® 10-1104 or 1001104 Basic Part Number.
Well there are seen 2 bars, that are removable. On 9.41/11.03 you can see it. If you push it back like in normal Pin holding Bars. I guess you might be able lo lift up the Springs and taken the Wafer out.
That lock is more worn than a politician's mouth.
@Bosnianbill the lock i sent you has landed in LA hopefully should get to your p.o box soon
@ 11.07 there looks like a retaining bar holding those wafers in...
The tab on the back - could that be unscrewed now that the back plate is removed?
Looks like it might have brass solder on the long pin holding the springs in at 11:03 and @ 09:40 theres a small lip on the face
Very interesting. hoping for a learned history somewhere.
Looks like tin soldering on one of the bars going lengthwise. I think this has to be brased in some way
Is that a pin pushed in on the front of the face that would be hidden when it's in the body? May be what's holding the springs holding the wafer in.
Interesting. Seems a waste to make it a once and done kind of deal. I guess you just replaced entire core/key sets? Very complex manufacturing process too. I imagine that was unnecessarily expensive.
Haha, I read "1872" as meaning the lock was from that year... 😜
Could the wafers be similar to snap rings, and the springiness be caused by the wafers themselves?
Neato!
Looks like there is a pivot pin the wafers pivot on.
Have you ever thought of starting a network of practice locks for locksport? Essentially a group of like minded individuals sharing a bunch of locks to pick. I would be willing to help set something up if there is interest. Website, database, etc... new to sport, just a idea.
He's tried before. Problem is a) shipping is expensive and b) sometimes people just don't forward on the locks, so they disappear...
Lock sharing does happen, but I think it's limited to more local or private groups.
@@rhamph I completely understand both points. There may be ways to negate them to some degree, I am new to the scene, just trying to see if there was a genuine interest.
@@clintcoats7779 Honestly I would just embrace the limitations. Share with local people or people you know pretty well.
What if you were to push in both springs the the wafer could come out the big slot?
Looks like they braised that flat piece of bronze to keep the wafers in
Where do I get a 75 thou pick from? Haha
I know the history on that lock,........... It old 😆
Great video as ever, wondering if you have seen the film " escape from Pretoria" on Amazon. A man escapes from prison using WOOD keys he made . Is this possible ??
Why not? It just has to be strong enough to lift the pins, or work whatever other sort of mechanisms are inside the lock. It might also have to turn the lock, depending on your design. For example, Modern Rogue and LPL made keys from a plastic bottle and a plastic card, like a credit card. They weren't strong enough to turn the lock cylinder, but they lifted the pins, and they used something else for leverage to turn the cylinder.
Yes it is possible. His name is Tim and he lives in Cape Town with his son. We see each other from time to time whenever I am in Cape Town. Tim has a mind that works like no other...
@@ErrolLishman thanks thought was a bit of Hollywood bull.
I have never seen this lock before but I've seen something similar and all it said on it was "ACE" in front of the bible.
Didn't really help lol