Touch of Malice Buffed, Monte Carlo's New Catalyst and Double Special Nerfed - Datto Reacts
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
- The final? dev insight of the year, Bungie goes over a wealth of information, including charts about PvP data, a huge amount of nerdy info about the zoom and range changes coming, exotics getting adjusted, perks getting adjusted and some quality of life changes with crafting.
Dev Insights: www.bungie.net/7/en/News/arti...
Intro - 0:00
PvP Charts and Data - 0:34
Double Special Nerfed - 3:38
Zoom/Damage Fallout Tuning - 6:38
Weapon Adjustments - 10:16
Exotics - 14:58
Perks - 26:35
Crafting / Weapon XP - 32:29
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Mr. Fruit looks pretty different
FROOOT
Mr fruity
Nah, Fruit's just dropped his nerdy persona with another nerdy persona
Looks more like Mr. Vegetable. He’s not as sweet but still very important to our Destiny diet.
He had jaw surgery and ask the Doc "while I'm under can you also hit me with the datto"
Fun fact about bipod: I was messing around with an Apex Predator with reconstruction/bipod in King's Fall, and it currently can't 1 shot an orange bar knight off of a plate in daughters/Oryx, even with a direct hit and impact casing. It also doesn't do enough damage to 1 shot yourself.
That 40% decreased damage was just ridiculous
I'm assuming they meant it for total damage and not DPS, but it is simply awful
0.6 [bipod rocket dmg] × 1.8 [bipod reserves] = 1.08, meaning currently Bipod increases total damage by 8% while lowering DPS massively
After the buff it'll do
[0.75 × 1.8 = 1.35] 35% more total dmg than a base rocket. With B&S you can get a Bipod rocket to do the same as a normal rocket, whilst having 80% increased reserves and a 2 rockets in one mag. 0.75 × 1.35 = 1.0125
Damn, it's not even meta for quick wiping yourself on a failed encounter right now?
@@JerichoDeath that is truly sad
I still remember how in a TWAB or some dev log before this season, some Bungie enployee was *really* talking up Bipod and how good it was and how you'd need to keep an eye out for it.
Lol, lmao even. Can't trust anything that comes out of Bungie's mouth.
I still won’t use with it reduced damage penalty. Shit dumb.
That malice buff was way more than expected
As a Touch of Malice stan, I'm all the way here for it.
perfect timing, I literally just got it
I swear not two hours before the news I was on DIM and spotted Malice in my vault and wished they would buff it seeing as it's the only raid weapon I have never pulled back out after getting. But now after these buffs, it just hit every note right for me, especially the note killing yourself, now you can shoot from a distance and not worry.
@@archangelgabriel8493 the gameplay loop of it will be sit back and don't take damage while dishing out a ton of it
Could not have come at a better time, just got it, looking forward to see how it could work with a devour build
I've always loved Monte Carlo, strictly for aesthetic reasons. After many long years of no stabby-stab with the bayonet, I can finally live my dream!
I hope chill clip takes into account the type of weapon to trigger full on freeze. It’s understandable for fusion rifles to take 3 shots now, but if you have a chill clip rocket launcher, shooting 3 rockets for 1 freeze effect is kind of ridiculous.
Not to mention, using the high impact fusion with chill clip is just a fool's errand, cementing Riptide even more as the top dog for freezing targets
@@Sero4 yup this change was kinda stupid. It made the weak even weaker so there is even less reasons to play anything other than riptide
@@amerhst1201Deliverance, Aurvandil, and Burden of Guilt just lost any and all value
@@HadesReplay Exactly and I grinded Deliverance for no reason now
Not to mention my poor blinding Lingering Dread, they really should have balanced them separately
Apparently, in the video Monte did 100k damage with the melee too
watch it be buffed by sinthoceps making it the most op thing ever and yet again only for titans
@@Kazuhira2249just stop, syntho’s got hit like a truck
@@Ryan-xe7kh we noticed glave usage go above 2%
so we decided to nerf synthos again :)
@@Kazuhira2249god you're insufferable
@@Kazuhira2249yeah dude arc hunter totally can't melee speedrun entire GMs at all.
The lower zoom stat on Monte Carlo really hurt it. With zoom being decoupled from range, that problem is solved. Excited to try it.
Yo let’s gooo Malice got buffed. Good to see Fruit at the start as well! I love that Monte is getting a caty, one of my favourite guns!
REJOICE
REJOICE
Love this style of content fruit would love to see more of it!
was NOT expecting to hear my name yelled at the end lmao
I feel like the touch of malice change specifically making it so the weapon doesn't kill you will make it far more valuable in endgame activities where you can remain out of agro range of enemies like GM's for example as it will allow you to cut through enemies and champions far easier
And it can stun Unstoppable Champions too
Unrelated but what is your pfp of?
@@jimmysuros6302 just something my younger sister drew for me
@@old-gods-wrath8015 its well done
I think special ammo will still be a good strat because they didn’t say anything about heavy kills/ kills with heavy weapon held not dropping more special than normal, so maybe that will stick around. Also double special can be swapped into a double special dps build (ex witherhoard a fusion and a rocket after prep before damage), so it’ll be harder to pull off but still effective.
These nerfs won't really do much to anyone who uses Special Finisher tbh. You can get charges insanely easily with this system
But then you don't make much heavy to use to make more special, which means you are spamming special finishers for ammo, which kills surge builds and kickstart builds. Might not be worth it, especially on higher tier content.
I mean I think the strat is to run double special with an ability focused build, like arc hunter punch spam, warlock with sunbracers, arc buddy warlock, etc. Because in high difficulty content (where you actually have to worry about running out of ammo), you can rely on those for dealing with either ad waves or bullet sponges, and save special ammo for the next fight.
The common theory for how the ammo drop bug worked, was that the game on average drops you 1 pack every X kills, and then it calculates which type of pack that would be based on the weapons you were using. When primary ammo packs were removed, all they did was add in an extra step that would then delete any pack that would have been primary. Now here comes the funny part. If you're not running a primary weapon none of the packs you get would be primary in the first place, so the game doesn't delete any of them, resulting in the massive amounts of ammo drops. In addition to this system, we also have the "hold special weapon -> get heavy ammo & hold heavy weapon -> get special ammo" system, but that is seperate.
Long story short, if they fixed the bug that caused the large amount of heavy drops, this likely also fixes the large amounts of special drops from using heavy weapons.
@@lemmingskmt Unless they’re patching it you can hold out your heavy and then get any kind of kill, whether it’s abilities or a delayed weapon explosion, and it has a higher chance to spawn special. I’ve never used special finisher, only ability kills with my power out, and I’ve never run out of special ammo.
god dammit, the Mr. Fruit intro made me spill my beverage
No it didn’t
Unless they're also nerfing the drop rate for special ammo on double special, there is literally no reason to not run it still. The heavy ammo drop rate is now just on par with a normal loadout, but special weapons are still absurdly strong compared to primaries. Maybe cenotaph or aeons will be more common, but things like witherhoard and forebearance are just so powerful and ammo efficient, you still don't need a primary.
i think they said some time ago that double special wont suffer special-ammowise so feel free to run double special
2 special weapons hurts special ammo drops because ammo prioritizes drops for guns you dont have right now. theyre only fixing that second part. so double special will be worse unless you just run special finisher all the time but the real point of it was for heavy
@@ready1player31 It changes nothing regarding special drops. The rule for ammo spawning is it prioritizes ammo opposite of the weapon you're currently holding. It has nothing to do with actually getting kills with that weapon. If I want special ammo, I just need to hold my heavy and get ability kills or kills with my heavy.
The problem with this nerf is now you won't be able to make special ammo as often since they are nerfing heavy ammo drops which highly prioritizes special ammo drops so actually it's going to be even worse then a normal primary and special loadout.
@@00Grimreaper00 It's not going to be even worse than a normal primary loadout beyond the exceptions for primaries that have their place like Wishender or Quicksilver Storm since it's not going to make primaries any better outside of incoming buffs like the handcannon one but like their not going to be better than a trace rifle or forebearance.
Still going to use double specials, you don't need to use heavy to generate special ammo just have it equipped so combined with ability builds it won't be that bad, plus special ammo finishers, ammo finders and ammo scouts are a thing.
Edit: Made a minor correction, had forgotten to add the word not in the handcannon section, because I doubt handcannons will be better than double specials.
The Vex Nerf to me feels weird because it just seems like they are worrying about something that is never going to come to pass. I've never seen anyone use it in any high-level play like at all and that is because you can outdo it reasonably well.
I saw one guy use it in trials with RoF. He had 250k+ crucible kills with it
Ended up last place with a negative KD against randoms in trials 🗿
@@bofa722 First off that isn’t a Vex issue, it’s RoF thats making it strong in that build. 2. It’s very niche and is only a potent play style if you’re dumb enough to die to it in the first place and allow the the player to gain momentum. In high level lobbies nobody is going to challenge a Vex player with RoF after a kill in the same way nobody would challenge someone with Kill Clip/Rampage active. This goes to show that it’s low skill players that tend to make Bungie reflexively nerf things even though there’s plenty of ways to counter/outplay them. They’re more scared of “what might be a problem” rather than what is a problem. 3. High kill counters just mean a player uses a weapon frequently. It isn’t an indication of skill or how strong a weapon actually is
I'd agree with you if I wasn't there during season of the lost
@@Oblivion9996I miss particle deconstruction with Vex that season.
@@TheRealCubzi'm being dumb whats RoF again?
Monte Carlo is also a key component of tripmine ahamkara builds. The ability to restore melee and use knife trick to cause burning to proc both your grenade regen AND gun powder gamble meant that you could have massive uptime for all your neutral game abilities, and with a lot of the good heavy weapons being legendaries nowadays and the fact that you could run blinding grenade + autoloading energy GLs like Truthteller, you could always use your melee safely without worrying about getting into melee range. Couple the fact that Monte Carlo now does 116k damage on the bayonet alone, you can easily pick off targets with ease in solo content.
For all skill I’d say SUROS Regime shows up so high partially because of the different firing modes and how they are both pretty nice for PvP, but also I can’t stress enough that I imagine SUROS Regime shows up a lot for the sole reason that to unlock its catalyst it requires 300 crucible kills with the Regime
Datto doesn't do tons of pvp. I see most top pvp people use suros or at least in the past year I've seen it in people's load outs on various pvp streams. I think just because datto doesn't use it and he says he's surprised to see it doesn't equate everyone should be shocked that it showed up. It's a skewed point of view based on a sample size of one (datto). Think he forgot to consider that.
@@Justadadonthetok im sorry but absolutely NO TOP PVP players use Suros in high end pvp or even regular control. The only auto you see is 450s (Ammit) because it can be somewhat effective. Sorry to be that guy but I play around a 3.5 kd in pvp these days and see none of this at the top of the sbmm.
@@letsgog8trs793 so what you're saying is their data is false? They've collected the data. We don't know for sure unless you work there to know why it is an outlier.
@@Justadadonthetok no im supporting the information and what Datto said bro READ!!! you. specifically said "top pvp people" what I said is supported by the graphs end of discussion!
I haven’t seen much Suros in qp, comp, iron banner, and trials. Can’t remember the last time I think I heard the slower rate of Suros.
The Suros situation is a weird one though. Because it requires so many PvP kills for the catalyst, completionists who only rarely play PvP will be trying to knock out their catalysts, and using only their primary (Suros) to maximise their progress.
Source: this is me. I am one of these people.
Wicked implement might be useful or decent in stasis builds now cause it comes with headstone making the catalyst worth getting
Exactly, having Headstone makes the gun considerably more valuable
I love the idea with a touch of malice chromatic fire build, just to blind everything but have yet to get the dang thing and now this makes me want it even more
The chill clip thing is an issue bc I tried using chill clip on Deliverance and Auruvandil and the charge rate is EXCRUCIATING. the amount of time it took to fire off 2 shots was long enough, but high impact fusions should at least add 60 stacks of slow vs the rapid fire frames
the chill stacks should scale with the mag size. then maybe we could get a stasis trace rifle with chill clip and it takes like 20 shots or whatever.
Youre mental
You want a 1 shot freeze on a high impact, that would be shit anyway, you need to slow for overload, honestly you lot dont know what youre on abt
A Titan Main like Datto not being more excited about Monte Carlo's Caty is surprising.
Monte Carlo goes so hard with second chance titans.
It’s not exciting
It's not, but for a fun 1 person debuff/dmg perk it is fun for lower end stuff. I prefer monte on arc with point contact to literally wipe a room.
@@briangiordano8682I love Monte Carlo and pairing it with PCCB provides nearly unlimited uptime on your powered melee--which hits like a truck.
Man I’m so sad about the Vex Mythoclast nerf 😢
One thing I really like is how fast they buffed wicked implement, I thought we'd have to wait a while but no
It happened with Cryosthesia, too. Turns out freezing enemies can be super strong, just not as game-altering as they thought it would be.
Y'know what ? Those changes to Wicked Implement made it into what I considered my dream Stasis exotic : chill clip headstone and a reload perk on a primary.
Merry Christmas, because this has been ten Christmases worth of cold !
I loved using Suros Regime in trials last weekend. I've always viewed it as one of the baseline destiny exotics, so it performing well is great in my book.
As a Monte Carlo enjoyer, I'm hyped for this catalyst. Monte's one of my most used exotic weapons, and I've been loving it on Strand Titan with Flechette Storm. If this just adds more juice for the squeeze, I'm in.
man straight up called out his friend. lol
Datto... Thanks for reading this to me while I do other task. Not a lot of action video but glad to have it on like a podcast. Appreciate the work. Cheers
Reminder that since the new mod system, you can generate special ammo using armor charges instead of super energy. The main nerf is going to be on heavy generation, but special ammo economy should be fine.
It's what I've been saying about Monte Carlo's "Glaive" attack that I hope its not a complete override, like please dont let it be a complete override. The whole point of the weapon is to reset or get your melee ability charged faster. If it was an override you would've had to swap-off to melee ability which would've been really bad. I use monte carlo with my stasis warlock in comp (whenever im forced into it) and yeah im sooooooo happy that its an alternate activate thing. I'll be using it elsewhere just not in pvp.
it's been a long time coming for monte carlo's bayonet 😩
Sword guard is going into pre-nerf glaive block. Glaive blocks after their nerf went into about 70 percent, if I remember correctly
Ah yes, I cant wait to be able to spam vortex frame sword heavy attacks again on Aksis in the upcoming Wrath of the Machine reprisal
Surely there wont be a different raid with a boss where damage is effectively done with swords in the coming weeks
haha totally am i right, if they were to do that raid they would have to put into a lot of effort to actually make it worthy of the name raid lol
@@dankerbell
So much of Crotas End can be trivialised with what we can do in D2. The whole of the first part is gonna get skipped with skating, stasis and strand, bridge will be even easier, Deathsinger will be a laughing stock, Crota will be an afterthought
Get the feeling the DOT change for Le Monaque is going to make chain stunning overload champions not possible anymore. Previously if you hit a stunned champion near the end of its vulnerability period the poison would then restun it a bit later. Seems like you will now need to shoot the champion again once it’s back to moving around to stun it. Makes it a bit less cheesy I guess but it was nice to have a slight bonus.
Yes, season of the deep is one of the best seasons we've had, except maybe for weapons and salvage.
I wish there was a different way to activate exotic weapon toggles, for messenger and hard light it makes sense for it to be the reload button but i really don't like to be locked out of activating various weapons for a solid second after reloading (the main reason i don't use symetry)
Thanks for posting the source. So many people never ever post their source!
In Monte carlo video, the damage shows around 115,069 or something, may need some test. It looks decent.
Wish they actually told us what the Monte Carlo catalyst was specifically. They did the same thing for hallowfire heart
Funny enough the arc and unstoppable on touch was already there but it wasn't working properly. Since Lightfall I noticed on occasion the ball would stun unstoppables and break arc shields making them explode however it wasn't consistent.
If the touch of malice buff is good enough for me to use it a lot I’ll grab the catalyst like how I did with vex
Monte carlo does exactly what I wanted it to do. I am so happy and my arc build gets even more absurd.
Datto: "Jez"
Jez: "Still not wanting time crafting the weapon.
I like how much data they share with their patch notes, most developers don't do that
This is an under appreciated part of Bungie. Yes there are other companies that go through patch notes even more thoroughly and have even more transparency. But it’s good enough for a dumbass like me.
It’s honestly just fluff so they look like they know what they’re doing when in reality they can’t even figure out a menu 😂
Suros Regime in Dual Speed Receiver mode is nuts now. So good.
That intro was devious.
im happy about the ToM buffs but... man i was kinda hoping at the very least for rapid hit to affect loading the blight
Excited for that closing thoughts video, I’m gonna guess it’ll be a similar opinion to what I have, it’s been a great season overall a lot of pain is fueled by the very underwhelming nature of lightfall. The story was great, the activities were FANTASTIC, especially deep dives. The dungeon was by far the best dungeon in the game, the balance updates were really great. There may be frustrations with the game generally but as a Destiny season it was really good
When is the next episode of Datto Does Dinner?
Fr lmao
The jez callout at the end 🤣🤣
Honestly think You'll be seeing Bi-Pod a LOT more now. The extra ammo and more importantly direct increase in the mag size of the rocket will make it a very good option for anything that requires more than one good rocket DPS phase. Envious Assassin is cool and has a high ceiling, but especially with the design of Root there just might literally not be enough enemies for everyone to get that proced, especially the people doing the actual mechanics of the encounter. But Reconstruction/Bipod will always be there for you when you need it, and have the added benefit of reloading 2 rockets into the chamber once your done with the first set and procing Wolf Pack Rounds that much more.
The math checks out too, with the only thing beating it out being said envious assassin strat, but that drops off a cliff the moment you have to fire more than 4 rockets. Bipod excels past the point of firing 4 rockets, so I think it will be a lot better especially in stuff like Contest mode/Master mode Raiding where you'll have to do 2-3 damage phases and have to stock up on Ammo again between each DPS phase (as getting 3-4 rockets a brick instead of 1-2 is a LOT better, especially with the double special actually getting properly nerfed).
I would not sleep on the combo, it might be the difference maker.
Also, the nerf to chill clip I think is entirely due to barriers. You could freeze a target in two shots, allowing you to freeze a barrier before it could get a shield up. Now in 3 with Riptide at least, you won't be able to do that. Not to mention you'll have to be a lot better with your shots to use against unstoppables too since chill clip is only the top half of the mag, so you only have 0-1 shots of leeway instead of the 1-2. So it will hit it good, but it just makes it a perk that requires a bit more accuracy and understanding verses just 'let me just stand on top of everything and deal with it'.
I've been waiting for hours, thank you Mr. Fruit!
MITTER FROO- wait no thats not right...
Tabbed away during the range thing and switched back right before Datto said “wake up” 😂 feels like he was talking to me
Monte Carlo melee catalyst. I used to pray for times like this 😭😭
What you said about the vex 21:15 is litteraly spot on haha
23:16
Touch of Malice + Vesper of Radius, Sanguine Alchemy or Chromatic Fire is about to be nuts
Thank you for reading this for me.
Honestly surprised you don't like Tommy's. Been using it quite a lot this Season with anti-barrier ignitions.
Since he skimmed over explosive light i have to ask..it said theres no more free explosive dmg..so what is the point of the perk now if the extra dmg is gone?
I have played with double special will still be fine if you run special finisher. I have been running it and have not really have an issue with getting ammo when not using heavy.
The intro made me have to rewatch the whole video 😂😂😂😂😂
I wonder how much seasonal challenges skews those weapon use charts. That and the catalysts that require PVP kills, like Suros. I think you may find newer players getting catalyst kills and players that don't play PVP just going in there to complete challenges like get kills in PVP with auto rifles. I did. Got the PVP kills with an auto and as soon as the challenge was done, literally left in the middle of the match. I'm sure I'm not the only one that only goes in there to knock out chores.
That opening had me shook.
😂😂 the classic Datto look when he scrolled down
What I love about Datto is he does nothing half baked. In an alternate universe Id like to see him as game director
Lol no
You are a goof ball
Jesus Christ no.
Me looking at the damage falloff scalar charts: I’m happy for you or sorry that that happened.
23:20 I just wanted that they made that kills with the final shot spread Necrotic's poison instead only the charged shot :(
Excited to use Touch
Oof! Chill clip nerf hurts!
As does double spec! Means exotic primaries will be the main.
Thanks for the great content, buddy! Look forward to season 22.
Asked the clan where they rate Season of the Deep and most rated it very high. D1 vets thought top 5 all time, maybe 6 if ya squeeze in Haunted.
Hand-canons baby. Though this session was a blast
Loved that intro
Love the intro lol
I actually use my Adept Comedian somewhat regularly with No Backup Plans and I never noticed the bug
So interesting to see the low skill sides meta o,o very cool
Rip chill clip
ToM sounds like it can be a double anti-champ weapon if scouts are on the artifact since the arc blind darkness ball shouldn't count as an intrinsic anti-champ trait on the gun
I have been begging for that bayonet to be used since House of Wolves
monte carlo boutta become main in my sunbracers set up
can we appreciate how good dattos nails look?
Fruit slimmed down a bit yeah? Lmao
With these sword changes Thin Precipice the new strand vortex frame sword with Flash Counter and Counterattack is gonna be really good cause with the sword alone you get a 20% de-buff and then a 50% buff just from guarding which will no longer consume energy with this update.
welp. time to start focusing some engrams. i was gonna make a post on reddit later looking for sword builds that people were excited to try.
Also means black talon and possibly lament are getting buffs too
35:00 thank fuck, I have an ungodly amount of glimmer- tons of materials to turn in for glimmer and like all the glimmer from every single previous battle pass to pull
I can't wait to play WW1 simulator with Monte
can you claim deep sight harmonizers next season?
My first ever flawless was this season with suros regime
I fell like the change to heavy drops is gonna kill the space that traces conquered, I hope they buff them somehow cause I can't see a scenario where its worth it to use them
If you use double specials you are just gonna divide the ammo for no benefit.
If you use them with a primary you are basically using two primaries without anything with medium damage
Besides some of the exotics they behave and have sikilar firepower to primaries but with the downside of having limited ammo
Hi Mr. Fruit
there are certain double special builds that I think will still be fine (i.e. the ones where the actual carrying factor of the loadout is the abilities, such as sunbracers or liar's handshake), it's just no longer the default obvious best category compared to primary-special or double primary (particularly with the end of match game and new ways to stun champions killing off the latter).
looking to me like season of malfeasance tbh, alongside the usual suspects like the good exotic bows and the buffed WI/TOM, maybe Monte Carlo if the catalyst is as strong as it seems (casually oneshotting an orange bar Incendior in Duality! syntho, assassin's cowl, etc gonna eat good). I have a hunch one of those into a wave frame is going to be my go-to day 1 raid loadout for the reprise, or some other special
Just blank face on the monte reaction🤣
Jez might have to finally bind block to something
Can't wait to see how J3z and Danielle react to the ammo changes lol.
i will be back on my sunbracers build just to feel that monte carlo change.
when does this patch come out?
How do get assasins cowl to drop its my last helmet on hunter and i can’t get it to drop in lost sectors:(
14 Scorch per hit takes 8 shots to Ignite, while 15 per hit takes 7 shots. 20 & 21 take 5 shots. I doubt the Tommy's Matchbook buff will move the needle, because who the hell would run it without Ember of Ashes?
I feel like double special will still work fine on heavy ability builds, like Sunstar Warlock
The Chill a clip nerf hurts though, Riptide will still be fine but my Lingering Dread just got slapped pretty hard. Wish they would have custom tuned the slow stacks based on weapon type, 3 GL shots for a freeze isn’t typically feasible
Cant wait for my opinion on season 21 to drop
So that’s why it took me a week to get my final iterative loop redborder…
That intro though!