GRAVEL - Retrospective Look
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I really enjoyed Gravel at its time of release. The DLC Fire and Ice is very good too. Plays great with a pad or a wheel. Physics are very decent. It's the first game where Milestone used the Unreal Engine 4 that they use since then
I love the game & gladly bought all the DLC, I have zero complaints enjoying it on my PS4 Pro, looks & performs great & is highly under-rated.
I would love Milestone to make a competitor to Grid. Call it "Tarmac" 😁
V-rally 4 was another that I really enjoyed.
A rally game that didn't sell well & was criminally overlooked is Rallisport Challenge 2 on the Xbox. I've played most rally games & that game is still my favourite. It has Rally, Super-specials, Ice Racing, Hill-Climb & Rallycross. The car physics are superb & it is 60fps. Great with a wheel. Nobody cared because it was only on xbox. It was ahead of it's time. It's was Dirt before Dirt. It's Amazing.
With a few settings tweaked in the menu, this felt like Sega Rally Revo's spiritual successor. Great game.
Great video Alan. Always thought this game was under-appreciated. Superb performance on PC, really tough AI, had above-average FFB, the dash-style cockpit cam, and a LOT of content. Tons of vehicles, locations, and tracks of all shapes and sizes. It was like DiRT 2 but with 3x the content. Like you mentioned, it lacked the marketing and production value of the Codemasters stuff which is where I think it lost out in the long run. Might have to give it another bash after work.
This is probably the most surprising game that came from Milestone! It is hands down their best game and it was extremely fun to play! All the Supercross games they made were also extremely good to!
SLRE (PC) is my fav rally game ever. It did quite well on consoles actually, especially the PS4. I really hope Milestone will make a successor to it. On PC it mostly failed because of its abysmal wheel support and Dirt Rally popping up out of nowhere at around the same time
Such an underrated game, I really like the handling model of this game
I recently played and completed this game: I personally enjoyed this little game. I would love to see "Split/Second" get a remake or certainly revived. Loved playing split screen in that game with my friend changing the layout of the circuit and the destruction.
LOVE Split Second!
I loved split second too! Pure also was a lot of fun. Shame black rock got shut down.
@@xSidn3yx Yeah, I was so looking forward to a sequel.
Blur also deserves a remake
@@FellianTheDragon i loved blur. Rip bizarre studios. Pgr series was great too.
Gravel and V rally 4 are two I never got on release but check the prices on steam sales, thanks for showing gravels current status, TOCA 2 I loved the championship career with all its famous drivers, would love to see that remastered
Split/Second is an other overlooked racing game with a twist. I enjoyed the hell out the online races (even with lots of cheaters), until the developers abandoned it and pulled the plug on the servers. I'd love to see Split/Second 2!
The game I loved was Screamer 2 and Screamer Rally. Would be amazing to see them in HD and with modern graphics.
Just bought it for a very low price on Xbox Series X (60/4K). Honestly, for me it's even more fun and has the way better immersion compared to Dirt 5, which just released on next Gen. Really enjoying this title very much, great arcade racing game overall!
I love this game just got this game and i can't believe how good it is crazy how i never heard of gravle i saw it on sale and gave it a try
Never heard of this game until a few days ago when I picked it up off the PSN sale for $4.36 with all the dlc and everything. Very underrated gem if you ask me. Been having a blast with it.
I would love a sequel to blur but this time have realistic physics with more Mario Kart style items!
loved this game, so much fun
i like all the iconic cars in this game
Motorsotorm (whole series), hands down! Very over looked even at the time. The technology, graphics, sound, aesthetic was there and very unique settings. Came back a bit after the reboot of the online in the first one. I very disappointed that to this day there isn’t a replacement.
Truly Underrated Racing Games?
Speed Punks - PS1
Ray Tracers - PS1
Mickey's Speedway - N64
Sega Rally Revo - unique PSP version
Arctic Thunder - PS2/Xbox
Cart Fury - PS2
Downforce - PS2
Powerdrome - PS2
Extreme G Racing Association - GC/PS2
Speed Racer - Wii/PS2
Cruis'n - Wii
Nail'd - PS3/Xbox 360/PC
Onrush - PS4
All these racing games have two things in common. 1) They are very fun. 2) Nobody bought them.
I love Gravel I also bought Sebastian leob which I enjoyed too
I actually run most games at 1080p with the pspro cuz it makes it either 60fps or much smoother. The fan works less, too. 4k is nice, but I’d rather have a smoother experience any day.
Great video, convinced me to buy it. It's always on sale for like, $2 or 3 so I assumed it was garbage. But I wanna check it out... SUBSCRIBED!
I recently bought The Crew: Motorfest but my need to acquire games is never satisfied so here we are. Lmao cheers
I feel like ONRUSH from the same year Gravel was released should've done better. A racing game where you don't have laps or positions but rather team-based goals was a very interesting one. I'm in love with the game's sense of style, both in art direction and vehicle designs. It too suffered from poor marketing like GRAVEL, and its price on launch didn't help matters.
Another one would be a game from my childhood, Re-Volt. Mario Kart-esque racing but with realistic RC physics. No RC game after it ever came close. It's a shame it never got a chance at a true sequel. Thankfully there's a whole community that still hosts races and creates custom cars and tracks for it even after 20 years since its release.
Oh man I played so much Re-Volt on the Dreamcast with friends, loved that game. So difficult to get the hang of initially but really fun once you did.
Also loved Onrush, such a shame it didn't do well. Dirt 5 is by that same team I think, really looking forward to it.
Games I would like to see back? Pretty much all japanese arcade racing games, sadly they've all disappeared in the first half of previous gen, nothing in the last 10 to 12 years (I would say since Initial D Extreme Stage in 2008, even if there has been a couple of RIdge Racer on 3DS/Vita since), no Sega Rally, Out Run, Ridge Racer, Tokyo Xtreme Racer, Initial D...
Agreed
Oh man...games that I think are under appreciated are Shox Ps2, Rumble Racing Ps2, and Rallisport Challenge 1 & 2 on OG Xbox. Auto modellista is one that I wish could also be remade with today's consoles with updated controls. Love the cell shaded look!!!
Shox was a great game! Never even knew it existed until I saw it for sale at a market stall 4 or 5 years ago.
i played gravel back then on ps4 and you right the 30fps was so anoynig to me but fortunately they released a new update for game and now on uncapped fps its much smother love this game
and the game i weshed for years for at least remaster version was runabout san Francisco
Might give this game a chance on the next Steam sale.
Never played it, but looks fun! Thanks for sharing, may have to pick up a cheap copy somewhere.
ms: pacific rift - still best and so suprising offroad track design to date!
I agree motorstorm games pretty much all of them were good. But gravel is pretty good too, u should try them. Also ride 2 moto gp 17 and 19. Underrated bike games
Wow those rain reflections in the end looked fantastic. Sadly i was one of those people who heard ''Gravel'' and chuckled at the poor name, watched gameplay here and sort of didn't give it a 2nd thought. I think i'd buy more racing games if i had a triple screen setup like yours. I've really moved towards VR so if i want to rally/race i go to the usual VR supported games. Although i did pick up F1 2020 after watching your review talk and slowly getting used to flatscreen again.
Nice vídeo !!
Love the Pc version of this game so much! Looking forward for Gravel 2 ;)
IIRC I only knew about this game because you guys revealed an early build in the days of the Team VVV Chats. Seeing Billy Strange's comment on V-Rally 4 reminded me, I think that was the same story. These games were so much more fun with a FFB wheel, and I don't think I would have spent so much time with them otherwise.
A game I'd love to see a remake of is any of the TOCA series. Back in the day on most Friday night's we'd drag around CRT TV's between friends houses and have them back to back with our PlayStations linked. I'm sure we played other games using that setup, but I can only remember TOCA right now.
A game that combines GRID 1's presentation, atmosphere, and team management with TOCA 3's variety is a dream racing game for me.
GRAVEL is like Sega Rally which is arcade rally sweet spot. Dirt 5 is just bad
DiRT 1 & 2 had big open environments. Back when racing games were fun.
The tracks reminded me of Top Gear Rally 64, my first racing game on the N64. I would at least like to see a remake of those tracks. I did make a couple of them in the free version of Bob's Track Builder for Rfactor years ago but that PC crashed and lost all that data. :(
Rally de Europe on the PS1 is definitely one of those overlooked titles, going back to play it recently, plays great, just a shame it stayed only in Japan.
Would love a Motorstorm remake for sure. In VR would be a dream (but for most a nightmare I imagine)
I salivate at the thought of a new Motorstorm with a cockpit view and full wheel/force feedback support.
It could be set in Africa because I think that would be a good region that perfectly suits a revival for that series. It has the tropical elements of Pacific Rift, the terrain of Monument Valley, the variable climate of Apocalypse; I think it even features some mountainous regions similar to Arctic Edge's setting as well. An African setting would be the franchise's best and most commanding way of saying, "We're back".
Furthermore, any sort of off-road oriented vehicle would be totally fit for that region. The setting would simultaneously lend itself well to gameplay variety; and be just as immersive, fun, and plausible as those in the past games.
A new MotorStorm set in Africa with modern technology just sells itself in my opinion. I think it would provide Sony with a game that gives Forza Horizon some genuine competition.
I'd just like to see more companies get an f1 licence for example. In the past we had so many iterations of f1 to choose from with different strengths and weaknesses. I like the code masters series but some variety would be great. I'd love to see the Toca series on current / next gen too. Not the race driver narrative rubbish just the core game like the obligingly ps1 game with great handling and the series done well would be amazing..
I had this game at launch on the PS4, I really enjoyed the game to the point that I platinum’d the game. The the on-line multiplayer was just dead, nobody was playing it.
For sure this is amaizing game one o my favourite racing game on ps4...beatifull stages and a perfect handling model....i blame the developers they never make an effort to make the online work....even when i was playing with a bunch of friend and we all searching for a online match the server never find any people....so blame it on developers besadis that its an incredible game....
auto modellista and road trip adventure need to come back
Grand Tour Racing '98 ("Total Drivin"in your part of the world) for the PS1.
Ever think about doing a video on it? I let a friend borrow it, and the disc got lost some how. :/ I loved that game. There was so much to do, and so much going on per race. Also you could take out the disc and place in your music CD and play your tunes.
V rally 4 is another underrated game the stages there are fuckin awesome.
Port it to VR and I will buy it!
Would love to see a sequel to this, realy enjoyed the gameplay and game concept. Hopefully we get one! common MILESTONE!!
Is this true?
This comment was ment to go on another comment lol I don’t know what happened, it was ment to be a comment on hidden velociraptors in the smash mode
Greg Redford at the time this came out, I think it was more fun to play than Dirt 4 personally. I think they would do well with a second entry
Auto Modellista for me, it looked fantastic! We need to see a comeback for proper stylised racers, the element of art direction in the racing genre has certainly dwindled in the past decade or so.
I genuinely forgot that this game launched.
Do more videos about older racing games
I picked this up in the Steam summer sale for about £5, enjoyed it. Really took me back to the OG Xbox days when there were loads of solid, pure arcade racing games.
Also the rival intros had hilarious FMV energy. The whole game felt like a throwback.
My FPS got tanked in the stadium tracks though. Shame it wasn't optimised a little better but i still had a fun time playing (",)
Yeah I've see that in the Steam comments but haven't encountered any such problems myself. But stability of frame rate was always an issue for these early Unreal racing games.
A video about what made original Grid great and why the 2019 game was so disappointing would be interesting.
I liked the game, its not anything groundbreaking but its still enjoyable. Its fairly short, a bit to short for my taste, but otherwise good fun!
There lies the key issue, longer races were needed to get your teeth into and I reckon that's where a sequel could have brought it all together.
@@TeamVVV You ever think a sequel will happen? I get the impression that they made this game to sort of get used to the Unreal 4 engine.
I was gonna get it but I thought it was received badly, may get it now lol
Was £5.99 last week. Crazy deals on Steam.
Lots of racers from the 6th gen that I'd love to see brought back - stuff like Road Rage 3, the Tokyo Xtreme Racer series and the Namco MotoGP games (I know milestone have the license now but god those games were fun).
Top Gear Daredevil was a PS2 launch title that I desperately wanted to be good. It had some pretty nice maps based on real cities and the car selection was cute+odd (2cv, bubble car, smart car etc). Unfortunately it had terrible fps issues and the physics were shite. Would love to see a game with the same concept made now though!
Hey psst
There's a blocky velociraptor hidden in every smash up race of the base game
Is this true?
generally
V-Rally 4 and Gravel look good on the surface, until you try to drive the cars the way a rally car should be driven.
Both games suffer from weird tyre models where there's basically no claw grip. Once you start drifting, the wheels just speed up without any resistance and the car feels like it's driving on ice. If it wasn't for that, I'm sure we'd have two very good competitors to the DiRT series.
IIRC, a friend has told me this had to do with the use of PhysX where if a fix isn't applied, wheel speeds go crazy when sliding.
Gravel also has some weird issues with fast bumps on the road, sometimes you or the AI just get kicked up in the air for no apparent reason...
I have a direct drive wheel, played it a year ago for the first time did not like the physics. Maybe someone can send me good settings for this game, i give it another try. I have a Fanatec DD1.
Night Driver on the Atari VCS should of had a remake
as should Screamer on the C64.
Revs on the BBC model B
Stunt Car Racer on the Amiga
Oh i've got so many really as I've been privileged to of played computer games since the Intellivision in 1979. (",)
Feel free to list them, always good for me to remind myself of such titles.
@@TeamVVV Well ok lets start with Blur on the Eggbox 360, it was like Mario kart for adults but better (",)
And really the game that changed everything for me was Hard Drivin in the arcades because it was my first ever taste of a FFB wheel and made me want more.
@@glenorpheus Blur was amazing, shame it's not on steam.
Motorstorm is one of the games that deserve a remake for sure nothing like it.
I'd rather want a fixed version of Sébastien Loeb Rally.
Remake? Race Pro.
Race Pro is a very good game. Maybe the first pure PC racing sim on console. One of many xbox racing games that were overlooked. Race Pro is basically a hybrid of Race 07 & GTR Evolution. I don't feel that Race Pro needs a remake. There are sequels on PC already. There is Race On, Race Injection & RaceRoom.
Rock and Roll Racing (Sega Genesis) such a fun game and SOUNDTRACK. I don't understand why Codemaster's F1 series have to have such a generic and dull music (I remember F1 2000 having Placebo's "Every me and every you" song, Gran Turismo 2 & 4 with that jazz music vibe or Nascar series from 2000 to 2006, amazing soundtracks).
I agree, SLRE was a miss oportunity...but I will keep those stages with me.
Watching this video, I'm thinking if I should give it a try to Gravel, V-Rally 4 or WRC 8 now that are on sale 70% off or if I should wait to WRC 9 or Project Cars 3 to be released.. (I'm more of the SIM side of the moon, but lately I've been enjoying NFS Heat a lot).
This game looks absolutely amazing. The tight circuits I wasn't feeling. But then when it opened out, into long stretches and you could see the course and how to tackle it, that's something kinda unique.
Reminds me of a game called Big Red Racing. czcams.com/video/94nbLl95unw/video.html
The motocross circuits would be a good idea too, if terrain deformation was more apparent. And affected handling and the lines.
Loved this on release, was disappointed when the rumours of a sequel came to nothing. Hope milestone haven’t gave up on 4 wheels as they seem to be focused on bike games just now. Have to be honest though it really does look as if codemasters have used this as an influence for Dirt 5...
Gravel had not marketing at all. I seen this game on Playstation store and i just ignored because name and cover looked like low budget shitty racing. But it is one massive 85% sale this month and it had demo. So i tried demo it is my favorite or second favorite racing game on PS4. I also like Need for Speed 2016 but they are simply different. Both arcade but one is pure open world city racing with cops and other is off road, rally circuit racing game.
I bought Gravel on release and got my moneys worth out of it, I felt like it had a lot of potential and it is a waste of talent judging by how poorly the game did in terms of sales. The online system was very basic also which I felt killed the whole online userbase of the game. For example you couldn't see lobbies that were in the middle of an ongoing race, so even though there couldve been loads of lobbies, if they were active in a race it would give the impression that no one was playing online which I believe created the domino effect of killing the online userbase. I do wonder what happens to all of these assets that were handcrafted just to be abandoned after one game since I thought the car models and sounds were spot on, the name "Gravel" certainly didn't generate excitement either. That would be the equivalent of calling Hydro Thunder "boats" or "water" lol. I still play this game from time to time online with a few of my mates, as its a great laugh.
Nice video, maybe a Dakar 18 retrospective too?
Devs never fixed the flickering input problems, they just said unplug every USB device and you should be fine suggesting they had no idea how to fix a problem other games didn’t have so when they walked away from the problem I walked my wallet away from these devs.
Yeah, budget got pulled on this game, dead on arrival. Shame, potential was there.
This year we are waiting for a similar game Dirt 5 which I do not like