What can you REALLY do with Prismatic subclasses in Final Shape?
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- čas přidán 9. 04. 2024
- now that we've come back down to earth, let's talk about what prismatic subclasses are ACTUALLY going to be like in final shape.
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"no get off prismatic put well on"
Common warLock L
How about no why don't YOOOOOOOOOU put well on
Born to nova (chains ate broken no more well)
@@darkshotmk3I do. I'm a titan main but I'm pretty sure I have more raid completions on warlock because well is too important.
Just nerf well into the ground already tbfh
Absolute agony
@@sauceinmyface9302all those who bitch about well are people that doesnt play raids cant judge there
Well of Radiance not being a Prismatic option is a smart way to nerf its usage
"Good way to nerf it" Class isn't even out yet and you weirdo's are already praising a nerf. Swear the community is it's own worst enemy
@@TenseiMoon Well trivializes most content, it's inherently a problem they created that we have to conform to. Don't be stupid, stupid.
@@TenseiMoon Hey quiet over there we aren't trying to have fun
@@TenseiMoon i think they're referring to Well being "nerfed" because nobody's going to want to use Solar instead of Prismatic
@@_roxziwarlocks basically continue being stuck with solar
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@@fuzyfuzfuz2 Yea, you are probably right.
Danielle standing behind angy:
It feels like they made a 7th subclass before a 6th.
Final Shape should’ve had Prismatic and the third Darkness subclass.
still think theyll be a 3rd class cos if you look at the champion stuns every subclass has 2 but that doesnt equal out with unstop having 4 and the other two 3 so in theory there could be a 6th one to fill the gaps.
also look at the super in the image, theres a blacked out diamond thats in a prettty random spot. looks like a 6th element could go there.
@@Grassdia who knows, maybe they might, but there is only 5 slots for the aspects. So if they have they didn't overlook that
@@Grassdia That greyed out diamond is the 'currently equipped' super. Looks the exact same in game right now on subclasses with multiple super options. Still could get a sixth element but just wanted to point out the diamond thing.
@@SOSdarkphoenix ahh yeah that makes sense I was confused about that but the other point still stands. Either way I’m excited for it.
As a Warlock, I'm excited. I was worried Song of Flame was out because Transcendence is very similar. Now I get two ability spams on two different cooldowns.
Might be the best thing about it. Lightning surge and Weaver's Call? blech. Bleak watcher is fine, but Warlocks are associated most with coldsnap grenades because they have an aspect specifically for it that isn't here to complement the coldsnap grenades that are your only stasis option. Maybe I can build in some of my favorite things about voidlock with a melee that isn't trash. Maybe Hellion will be good. First impressions are pretty weak sauce for warlocks imo.
@Farengast I completely forgot we don't get that aspect. I have to rethink everything now.
Nope ur in a raid put on well
As a Warlock, I'm incredibly disappointed.
@@Farengast What aspect are you talking about? The only thing Coldsnaps are specifically associated with is the gauntlets which still will probably work well with prismatic
Makes sense! Still gives you reasons to run other classes depending on the needs
Thank you for being someone in the comments with common sense. I can’t believe people are already complaining about the limited options 🤦🏼
@@RiskyAuto dude im still pumped. All that shit we saw in the trailer is all doable with these setups. As a warlock i can still spam lightning surge with devour and have a healing nade and needlestorm or the new solar super. People just love to complain. If you want to solo flawless a dungeon then solar is still the go to. People would still complain if we could mix and match everything cause they would say "now all my old builds are pointless" bungie cant win.
@@RiskyAuto You can't please everyone.
@RiskyAuto right. Why would people complain about bungie promoting it during a live stream as free form and customizable only to then reveal its actually not, they only increased the fragment slots by 1, the fragments are just our old fragments mashed together, and the available options are pretty lack luster. Stop telling people how to feel. They are allowed to dislike things. As a hunter main, I personally think prismatic looks terrible on paper. I can't see myself using it over any of the builds I have in any meaningful content.
@@FlashesSoccer011 They are allowed to dislike things and people are allowed to react to said opinion. And in my opinion you're being short sighted and don't knock it till you try it.
Was really hoping Child of The Old Gods would make it into Warlock. Wanted three balls with getaway, child, and the new solar super.
Same
We legitimately see them summon one in the gamelan
Gameplay
Maybe a future update will bring that in
getting the new fire soul and using getaway artist for the arc one might be kinda fun too. got a mortar and turret on your shoulder.
Honestly, this class to me feels like it’s going to be exactly like the saying “a jack of all trades but a master of none.” You’re able to dip into multiple things, but because of subclass of verbs, a single element is going to be able to have more synergy and potential power. This is actually why I think they made the special grenades for this in order to bump up its power.
That and the inclusion of exotic class items helps this subclass shine in different ways than normal elements
"A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one.”
I’m not too familiar with the verbs but doesn’t this allow you to deal with all champions from abilities alone
@@andrewlance5471 True. I think that is more an evolution of build crafting. but also keep in mind that the class items may have two exotic perks but they are only parts. they are not a direct one to one copy. So depending on what Bungie allows them to have will determine their overall power but it shouldn't replace a single exotic as an option.
@@salmonbamminfish2925 this is a potential possibility and kind of where I go to the jack of all trades. Yes it may allow you to potentially hit all champions but your ability to chain that stun into something else or use your ability to chain into clearing rooms of ads might not be as strong as if you were running a single element.
"Follow up with a big punch or a big punch"
[In Shaxx's voice]: Nice.
He speaks fluent titan💀
I haven't played for like 4 years, this looks sick. I'm excited to try it out again
Dont be a dumb horse sit it out
Hop on Banner of War Titan and you'll be all caught up.
Bungie always finds a way to get me excited for an upcoming update, only for me to get bored of it after a week 😂. Their trailers are hype, but the gameplay gets super repetitive (maybe that's just me, though)
"stylish executioner triggers on any subclass debuff"
we are so in
Being able to go invis with voltshot and incandescent will be sick
Destabilizing Rounds usage falls right through the floor
I was 100% expecting limitations like these. My mind is more wondering if they will expand on Prismatic post TFS or not. I don't expect them to eventually bring over everything (Nor do I want them to since I think specialization should still have a place.) But it would be nice if we got...idk. A few more melee and nade options. I'd be okay with staying tied to these specific supers though. Given how much of a power fantasy supers are I think it only makes sense that we're limited to 1 per class (especially given Strand/Stasis only have the one.)
Yeah I’m a bit disappointed seeing “UNLOCKED POTENTIAL” and then being pretty limited. It’ll be a new synergy but at the end of the day we’ve had access and used everything before. The minimal options means even less to experience with.
Might I mention there is a flame grenade and void flame grenade no one uses. That needs a serious buff. Off topic but still. We need more to experiment with.
I also think the exotic class item will have another limitation. I figured they'll probably make it so perks only drop in a specific column so they can avoid people having certain perks combos. For example the perks for Celestial nighthawk and Star eater scales will be in the same column to prevent you from stacking them together
Warlocks: Yay I can finally run another subclass build with my Firet-
Fireteam: You’re running solar
Yeah, obviously it can’t just be a better version of other subclasses or we will have gone from 5 subclasses to 1 instead of 5 to 6. It probably will be weaker versions of everything, plus the extra powerful combo transcendence grenade to even it out.
I’m guessing prismatic will be best with some of the combo exotic class items that buff multiple different subclass abilities.
yeah one thing i noticed is that there are no elemental pickups on prismatic which is a little sad (especially for hunters with grapple not being able to get tangles consistently without help of another exotic like QSS).
@@dyl_un7800 dont forget that we dont know all the fragments. And from what we saw, it looks game breaking. I mean the shit warlocks can pull off. Just insane
Eyes of another world? Sixth coyote? Armantarium? Those generic neutral exotics maybe could be okay?
@@dyl_un7800 you will still be able to make tangles, tangles spawn when you kill a strand debuffed enemy, assuming the strand abilities still debuff enimes then it should still make a tangle
@bl00dkillz Iirc all the non-neutral exotics are being made neutral when used on the exotic class item
I love the transendence gauge. Its so ffxiv redmage, eeven with kinetic doing a smaller amount of both. I fucks with that so hard, and would not be surprised to hear it was inspired by it or a similar system. Love when games adopt cool systems from other games
I didn't think of that, but that's a clever way to phrase it.
Yeah, I thought of RDM as well. It’ll probably feel satisfying to hit a balanced combo of abilities to fill both sides.
Moving the debuffs to the right side also happened to remind me of FFXIV, because that is similar to how I arrange my HUD 😅
Dawntrail, Elden Ring, and this is competing for my time this summer 🤣
Little disappointed not that the options are limited, but with what options we got. That being said: I think there is a pretty obscene combo for warlocks that a lot of people have already keyed in on:
Needlestorm (or maybe song of flame depending how good it is)
Healing rift
Burst glide (or dealer’s choice)
Arcane needle
Vortex grenade
Bleakwatcher and feed the void
Needlestorm for a genuine big time burst damage option. Song of flame could be really good to pair with transcendence to be in a super very frequently, if it does turn out to be strong.
Class ability doesn’t matter too much, healing rift is historically just the winner out of the three.
Arcane needle plus the radiant fragment for high uptime weapon damage bonus, plus three charges to fill the darkness bar. Also 3 opportunities for clean up kills to proc devour.
Vortex grenade plus the weaken fragment for big light energy damage to charge light meter.
Devour for grenade uptime (key) and health regen.
Bleakwatcher to lock down adds even in endgame content.
Play loop goes like this: toss Bleakwatcher, use arcane needle to proc devour and radiant. Slay out with your damage buff and health regen. Increased grenade regen will get you a vortex grenade quickly, use this to weaken big targets and fill the light bar quickly. Shatter frozen targets to fill the dark bar, plus spread unravel from arcane needle to do even more darkness damage. In theory with grenade regen mods and 100 disc we should almost have another grenade ready to replace bleakwatcher on short notice, especially if we can use a combo exotic to boost grenade regen or add a second charge.
With needlestorm on, we can pick up orbs for damage resistance from woven mail on top of our healing from devour. Use needlestorm for massive burst damage that actually hits tormentors unlike other warlock supers.
Next wave of big adds? Pop transcendence and spam the new grenade which looks busted to kill large groups of adds while also refreshing devour if needed. Get 3 melee charges back (in theory, we’ll see if you just get one back) to get radiant back up and couple it with the transcendence weapon damage boost plus surge mods to do massive weapon damage.
Rinse and repeat: healing, grenade regen, damage resistance, weaken, crowd control, radiant, massive damage output with very easy start up parameters. In theory you could use high single target damage weapons like mountaintop and apex/a linear to focus on big targets with how much crowd control and spread damage you’ll have access to.
Best theoretical exotic bond I can think of:
Star eaters to make needlestorm a nuclear weapon, plus more incentive to gather orbs which will give you woven mail and proc mods.
Armamentarium so you have a bleakwatcher and vortex grenade ready off the rip. Or maybe verity’s but I’m guessing that’ll force you to use a strand weapon plus threadling grenades if you have to match the super.
If this works out like I’m thinking, you’ll be a genuine one man army ready to solo dungeons and gm’s while also being set for raid damage rotations and encounters. Kind of an all in one do it all build. I’m hype.
This, but with necrotic grips + a solar weapon with incandescent (Polaris also could work) + blinding gl (optional), and swapping out bleak watcher for the solar buddy, three sources of DoT and ignitions going off
I wonder if 3 arcane needles means 3 lighting surge 🤔
@@ex3307 It does. They specifically mentioned that in the reveal stream and have gameplay footage of using lightning surge multiple times in a row
I'm definitely gonna try this out....oh, the mayhem.
I think this is millions of times better than just getting one new super per class. And this gives them lots of space to add to prismatic over time.
Let me guess, you're pre ordering..
@@JizzSock_ indeed i am
Yeah, I’m excited to see what else will be added in the coming episodes.
@@JizzSock_ wtf does this have to do with anything?
@@JizzSock_I did. Got my collectors edition last week.
Born to Prismatic, forced to well
- Any warlock trying to LFG in a raid
That’s exactly what’s going to happen but since well is getting nerfed gonna see a lot less warlocks
@@dragonblazer9116 first of all, this is warlock slander, and I won’t stand for it. Secondly, why are you so confident that well is getting nerfed?
@ERElement77 because it is? Lol get with the info bruv
@@haramberoth117uhh… sorry I don’t follow Bungie around like a lap dog? 💀 just tell me where bungo said they’re nerfing it, it’s not that hard… bruv
Well there goes my plan to run the strand tanky stuff + void overshields and become a super tank
There will probably be ways
@@LordTonzillathere always has been. Repulsor brace. All titans need is a strand super, the dominance frag, a void grenade, and a repulsor brace weapon.
Alternatively a stasis super
@LordTonzilla I mean i just want woven mail, overshields, and ideally banner of war. But worst comes to worst I'll play around with prismatic and go back to never turning off banner strand titan 😂
Hunter will be able to do it with void super so orb pickups give them overshields, and then crytarachne to give them woven mail on grapple.
Personally I'm excited to use diamond lance on something that isn't stasis. Between that, thruster, and frenzied blade you should be able to maintain 100% uptime on HoIL.
I’m doing a captain America build where I’m using shield throw shackle grenade knockout and for the class item would nice to get necrotic grips and severance enclosure for maximum aoe spread if that’s possible n the aoe dmg/kills from necrotic grips n severance enclosure should give u overshield n I hope I can get even one of those exotics on my class item cuz that’s gonna be fun af
They literally added all of my favorite things for Hunter. Gambler's Dodge/Combination Blow, Stylish Executioner, Gunpowder Gamble, Silk Strike, and Grapple Grenade. I'm pretty excited for this. Can't wait to see ore details on the class item exotic perks
No icarus dash on warlock, I continue to be never able to switch off solar warlock (:
If icarus left solar, there were be way less solar locks
No Icarus no well, yeah looks like I'm staying solar
Yeah, I was hoping for blink plus icarus, but it was never going to happen. Plus, icarus would feel like a total waste in pve
@@BRIKHOS being able to pop screeb or shank by letting it get close then a quick jump-dashback is something I do constantly, dodging stuff in general, etc. It lets you play a lot more mobile rather than just hiding behind a rock
@burntfish123 yeah, I'm not saying it's utterly worthless, but it has no synergy with any other aspect. If you can only get one solar aspect, it would feel like the worst of the bunch to get.
Im personally pretty happy things have guard rails. I was IMMEDIATELY hyped when i saw the trailer open yesterday with a guardian using different abilities, amd then kind of became overwhelmed before the trailer ended. The way they're picking and choosing seems dope
I'm with you on that one. It would've been crazy talk to have literally every option for each class. In the end it's going to disappoint a lot of folks just because the most powerful options aren't there, but I really don't want to be so powerful that the game loses the challenge
@@ShutchyerLipsI'm eating good with this. I love the mobility options and chaining them together as well as string abilities together so all of the mobility in prismatic hunter is my jam.
They literally said "Strand Warlock is the summoner class. All of your aspects generate Threadlings!" then turned around and said "NEW SUBCLASS! YOU'RE A SUMMONER!"
I mean, with final shape every subclass will have a summon aspect. So prismatic is having as many of those active at once as possible
Thats because it was shit
DOUBLE KHEPRIS HORN ON SUSPENDING TITAN LASH THINGY
From the trailer, it could be triple if you manage to roll an Exotic Class item with both the Khepri and the Hoarfrost-Z perks
They’ve basically made khepri’s horn useless
Like it already wasn’t before lmao
@@commentingchannel9776alternatively, khepri's plus improved drengr's lash for triple drengr's and a rebounding fire burst. But the hoarfrost idea is one I had as well. Run it with the new titan aspect and have your grenade and barricade swap purposes lol
@@commentingchannel9776I believe the exotic rolls a perk from each of the other classes. The titan had star eater and something else from warlock
In case anyone was wondering, I did the math.
In Hunter case for the limited, we have 5 supers, 3 class, 4 jumps, 5 melees, 5 grenades, and 5 aspects. Using the binomial formula for the aspects, we get 10 combinations of aspects alone. Multiply all that together, and there are 15,000 ways to customize the version we actually have. (Not including the options for 1 or 0 aspects)
With the unlimited, Hunters have 11 supers, 3 class, 4 jumps, 9 melees, 28 grenades, and 17 aspects. That turns into 136 aspect combos, which turns into 4,523,904 different ways to customize JUST a Hunter
Or.. use the meta...
Mate this number presents only an illusion of choice. I can already narrow all three classes and their builds down to 2, maybe 3 options each which will be dominating everything else (with some wriggle room in terms of fragments)
Why did you take into account class abilities and jumps most of the time you just pick your favourite a roll with it
@@begunfuball2122because it's still something that makes your build unique.
Nah.
combination blow on hunter seems like its gonna be incredibly good with all the dodge related aspects. having access to the arc hunter gameplay loop on things like winters shroud and especially threaded specter seems like its gonna be a fun time.
Combination Blow grapple melees, just gonna leave that in your head
@@life-destiny1196don't think that works since grapple is a separate ability from combo blow but they did mention tuning the prismatic interactions and if that does happen us hunters are eating good
I noticed in the trailer that Titan used consecration with strand melee and it only took one charge!
So I’m excited to do frenzied blade, pulse grenade (with jolt fragment), consecration, and probably knockout.
Three consecrations would be so good, plus healing on kill. Then use the balance fragment to get melee energy with rapid light damage kills to keep up charges. You could really use any super you like that fits best for you. I would probably do strand or the new void one. The only issue it dealing dark damage, so you would want dark guns and to use frenzied blade here and there. This is why a Dark super might be good too.
Well I'm definitely going to run astrocytes, blink, phoenix dive, winters wrath, penumbral blast/arcane needle, weavers call and lightning surge or bleakwatchers. Its going to be ridiculous.
I might also test out Song of Flame out with this too, since it looks cool and I can continue to use my guns. Not sure what grenade I'll use though, possibly vortex for area denial. Although coldsnaps are on a short cooldown and heal nades heal. I'll essentially have threadlings on a pretty short cooldown with phoenix dive, so maybe healing will be the better play.
If the Blink further and more frequently part of astrocyte is part of the class exotic. I'll definitely be using it with ophidian aspects. But that's dependent on whether astrocytes is even on the class exotic at all. Since it'll only work on Hunter and Warlock they might not include it. There is no class neutral way of spinning astrocytes as an exotic perk.
Winters shroud + threaded specter, combination blow, bombardiers. Slow, decoy, bombardiers blows the decoy making threadlings, causes another effect depending on your super choice, first thing Im trying on hunter.
This would make a single hunter dodge a literal nuke
This actually sounds so fun wtf
And I thought normal Bombardiers/Threaded Specter was good, god damn. Personally I'm all on board for the Combination Blow/Radiant combo. Given its... unique nature, I somewhat doubt Liar's will be rollable on class items, but if it is I'm absolutely grinding out a Liar's/Synthos combo. If not, well I'm sure a Synthos/Worm God or Synthos/Winter's Guile will make for a pretty fuckbusted setup.
@@liammiller299 it is literally showed one with liar and assassin's cowl in the stream btw.
adding to the theory crafting, Winters Shroud + Stylish Executioner, Combination Blow, Class Exotic Liar's Handshake = DiY Assasin's Cowl with Liar's Handshake, freeing up one exotic slot on your class item, personally want it to be Gyrfalcon's for volatile and overshield utility or Mask of Bakris to just become a dbz character
I'm hoping the bring Child of the Old Gods to Prismatic. I really want to run that with Bleakwatcher and Briarbinds and go full support summoner. Helion and Bleakwatcher could be a good alternative in the meantime though.
Gives them pretty good balancing levers too. If, for example, feed the void is too strong they can swap it out for a different aspect
Finally my theory crafting ideas have arrived. Thank you Datto
I hope arc soul makes it in there at some point. I was hoping of doing a Stacy turrets and amplified arc souls build.
You could run The Stag to generate Arc Souls off of rifts.
Mask of Bakris, Storm’s Edge, Gambler’s Dodge, Blink, Combination Blow, Grapple Winter’s Shroud, Cryosthesia, and some other Arc weapon.
Super: Song of Flame
Class Ability: Empowering Rift
Melee Ability: Arcane Needle
Grenade Ability: Storm Grenade
Aspects: Hellion & Weaver's Call
Fragments: Facet of Purpose, Facet of Dominance, Facet of Hope, Facet of Protection
Exotic Armor: Secant Filaments + Vesper of Radius/Swarmers (Hopefully one of these is a valid combo)
Exotic Weapon: Tractor Cannon
Just an ability spam build that would constantly summon Threadlings and "Solar Souls" through casting your rift, which would in turn give you Devour and cast an Arc shockwave. Devour heals you and procs Facet of Hope, giving you more class ability energy to continue the spam (Hopefully it's anywhere NEAR as much regen as Ember of Singeing). Arcane Needle and Storm Grenades give Unraveled and Jolted debuffs. Tractor Cannon for the weaken effect in single target. Facet of Purpose would give further healing through Restoration procs when you pick up orbs with the Powerful Attraction armor mod. Song of Flame further enhances your ability regen to spam more.
It looks fun, but it seems like a jack of all trades master of none situation based on the abilities. It's very limited so that sense of it being a freeform build crafting tool is going to be massively undermined by build homogenization, you also need to run light and dark.
It really depends on how powerful transcendence is and what the perk pool on the exotic class items will be.
On the running light and dark, not necessarily. You could build heavily into light or dark in the subclass, but then use more underrated weapons that apply verbs to even it out. Example: primarily dark crowd control stasis/strand warlock, use twin tailed fox with catty, three large instances of light damage and three instances light debuffs with just one shot. Ager's scepter will apply all of the slow, freeze, and shatter you will ever need. Necrotic grips are kinetic damage, so osteo striga and necrotic will fill both bars as it add clears every thing within a two mile radius.
Absolutely gutted that titans can’t grapple. At least I still have thundercrash
Yeah that’s what I was thinking lol. I think prismatic is dead on titan already
frenzied blade gang
@@tank1503 why would you want prismatic to replace strand? the point is to offer new ways of gameplay and buildcrafting. if they just gave you everything that strand has what's the point? just use strand. Strand still needs to have a purpose. Same with well for warlock, its a core part of Solar warlock identity to have a Well, putting it in prismatic would defeat the purpose of trying new things. If you really want grapple and prismatic, use hunter. There needs to be a reason and purpose for everything or else it becomes meaningless.
Just play strand if grapple is so absolutely important to you.
@@BigPapaSpeedwagon I am lmfao, I ain’t touching prismatic anymore, the other aspects and Grenada’s/ melee are kinda dogshit too
First thing I am thinking of on titan is consecration with drengr's lash, pulse grenade, frenzied blade, and twilight arsenal. In terms of exotics, I was thinking Abeyant Leap to buff drengr's and allow you to get woven. The void super also allows you to get overshield from one of the fragments, allowing you to get woven and overhsield at the same time. I think consecration would just be good to use on a large group of suspended targets for big ignite, although this isn't a must pick for this would be build. I could see diamond lance or unbreakable being used instead of consecration if you really need stun instead of damage. Pulse nade is just really good. I wonder though if you could get multiple consecrations with frenzied blade, since you have three charges of it? Certainly food for thought. If frost armor turns out to be cracked, you could swap to behemoth super. I was trying to think of good exotics for a lot of consecrations to possibly build around, but I couldn't think of much as of yet. I'm certainly excited.
I'm so sad
Warlocks are really gonna stay stuck on well forever
I just want to use another subclass on raids man 😭
Just do it. I came back after a year long break and I've been day breaking in raids, and I'll use prism when that comes out
I really wouldnt mind to see well of radiance just nerfed. Ik a lot of encounters are designed around it but surely theres a middle ground. Dawnblade has just been the best pve subclass in the game since forsaken
Just don’t join fast or meta-only LFGs then. I only really join “Lots of Time” or Sherpa runs and I’ve never been given a problem over a weavewalk build.
Well has become too much of a handicap. I’d be willing to give up well solely out of spite to everyone who’s ever kicked someone in an lfg for not wanting to be well
@@wood5596 They've already said that WoR is getting a nerf with TFS. Same with WoD thankfully. Although they also said they wanted to differentiate them for PvE a bit more.
Honestly Less excited with this post. It's still gonna be fun. But I was hoping I was going to be able to revive trip mine build, my favorite build in the game that I still use in lesser content even though it's pretty dead for endgame now. Hopefully we get more as time goes on.
As a warlock, im really stoked! From what was shown I think i have concocted a pretty cool Solar/Stasis build with Conditional. I am curious to see what possibilities they will allow for the class item, so I’m keeping my expectations for possibilities regarding that tempered until we see what it can actually do.
I'm kicking around a felwinters helm build on my warlock. Since we will have so many melee charges and have some decent damage with the electric slide. You could pretty well keep a good amount of the battlefield suppressed.
Poor warlocks. "Oh, you want to have fun? Sorry, put on well"
Well sucks and any warlock worth a damn will say no.
@@FalconStkr1 yeah i mean if you play strikes all day of course you think well sucks but if you play any content that requires thought and a damage phase well is the best super in the game
@@eli8585yeah wells are strong but are they as fun as other options?
@@muhannda8334 Never said well was fun but the original comment said well sucks when it has been dominating pvp and pve since release
@@FalconStkr1well sucks? You just play patrol or something?
I cant help but feel like the prismatic system should have been a new class system rather than a subclass with limited options.
My thoughts exactly. It doesn’t feel like a new subclass at all
Maybe this was the idea but they lacked the time to do the visuals for it so they just used all the places holders instead?
@@Kaiser8361N They should have just given the ability to use whatever aspects, supers, abilities, fragments etc that people want. Balance is the main issue but this half measure prismatic subclass is already going to destroy that.
@@npc6254d3
I think that eventually when we get a new episode during the year we’ll be able to get other supers grenades aspects fragments etc I think they’re withholding them because having too much too soon could be overwhelming
I also think this is a good way to structure the subclass for the future, because they could add in new abilities, fragments, etc into these in the future. Strand got tons of new fragments during Lightfall's year; they could easily do the same here. I'm still excited!
Before this article: Wow, will I ever wanna use my two favorite builds ever again?
After this article: Wow, I will definitely keep using my two favorite builds... At the same time!
As a titan, I'm a little worried about the lack of buffs that keep me in the fray, knockout is good but all of this seems awfully short ranged on titan. No good projectile melee options definitely hurts. Would love to be wrong though!
I mean there’s shield throw it’s not the best but it has some range also drengrs lash
@@scxm8825 Not to mention you’ll be able to pair drengr’s lash with abeyant leap for the three lashes instead of one
Overshields and invis will save you😆 stop crying and go punch a dreg💀
If I remember correctly, the new void melee ability for titans is the one that summons a temporary shield (similar to blocking with a sword I’m guessing) that shoots the enemy’s projectiles back at them when the animation ends and I can’t remember if it gives you overshield based on how much damage you took too or not but I think it’ll make for some interesting interactions either way. So if you’re looking for a more rangy melee ability good at both defense and offense, it could be a solid option
@@ianpirschel456 it’s an aspect not a melee but I get what you’re saying
They'll definitely add a second super and probably grenades to both the mixed set and transcendent mode. It would be a good idea to look into mixing in a transcendent class ability too, for variety.
Running pretty much flat stasis hunter + stylish executioner will be awesome-assuming it’s not tuned down, you’ll proc invis after every kill on a slowed or frozen enemy, which is insane.
Also, really looking forward to pairing Facet of Ruin with Conditional Finality.
Pair it with the trace or sidearm and you'll always be invisible.
As a Warlock main. Im tired of running well and might switch my main to hunter depending on my raiding experience in the future. I hope well gets nerfed so Warlocks can have actual variety in raiding. I hope the final raid isn't people just asking in lfg "Must use well" or "Need wellock" No.. No more. "How about you titans put on bubble like in D1 and we do damage that way." Honestly at first I thought this but what needs to happen is we can't have dominant support subclasses anymore for the most part. All it does is make the game stale. Vold hunter is an exception because that class is actually a fun support and not required on any boss. Where as not just 1 but multiple wells are mandatory for all raids.
Also, If your still reading this my warlock build after looking at this will be stasis melee, Song of Flame, Vortex nade, and feed the void with healing rift, burst glide. The point of this build is throwing a ton of vortex nades and healing from them with a bit of "Oh shit Im about to die to a big target." with the stasis melee.
How about stop having a boss damage phase of "oooh stand here but thing shoot at you while stand still" so welllocks and bubbles aren't required. At minimum, make it so that barricade or rift can suffice in most cases of a damage phase. Haven't played in more than year so in all honesty maybe since I've left they've changed that design, but seeing as the wellocks such as myself are still annoyed as all hell, maybe not...
well blame bungie for the well situation not the player base. They literally made almost every raid and encounter around having a well, making some extra difficult without it. And for titans not running bubble its not like we dont want to it's literally ASS. Bungie nerfed weapons of light to be same as well and you have to be in the bubble or have a titan use a nearly useless exotic (helm of saint 14) so you can get the overshield survivability from the bubble. And even then you have to dip in and out to maintain it. While well you literally just stand in it gain the same benefits and even more it also covers a larger area.
(Tdlr bungo fucked up bubble and well and made yall locks pay for it)
There is no way they can nerf well and not have it be completely useless.
Preach brother, will not use well after final shape, I will use song and out dps everyone 10 times over. If they can't survive that's their fault prismatic is bringing so much in survivability that there should be zero issue in not being able to stay alive in at least dungeon settings(not a huge raider but a dungeon crawler)
It just feels wierd to have the devs talk about like "this is my favourite build where i use this this and this to do something special" and "were excited to see what linds of combinations players can create", only for the things they showed to basically be the whole kit.
I was hoping prismatic was going to be subclass 4.0 where wed have access to every ability, aspect, and fragment and any new stuff would just be added to that. Now that i know its a very small list of handpicked options im way less excited to try it out.
I really don’t see how this changes much, it’s going to take an obscene amount of time before we have all of the viable Transcendence builds figured out, and by that time they will most likely enable more abilities and aspects.
@@Miguel-jm2pf prismatic has only 10 more options than stasis has total right now, that is NOT what they were promising in the trailer and vidoc. Think about it, the supposed combination of all subclasses has less total options than just ducktaping 2 different subclasses together
@@definitelynotsavathun3859 did people not listen to the audio in the vidoc? the devs clearly said you'd be able to choose CERTAIN aspects and abilities for Prismatic. if you're disappointed that everything's not going to be usable by Prism that's your entirely your fault.
I was really disappointed as well. So much that I might not pre order after all. Even though it seems like you have variety, you can already identify 2, maybe 3 very concrete builds that will dominate the rest.
This is not the level of complexity that was advertised, its just a little bit more of the same.
As a Warlock main, the biggest disappointment is the fact that it's yet another subclass without movement options and very limited PvP kit. Hunters got all the PvP juice once again.
@@andreymavian3400 wahhh pvp isn't the focus of destiny and it shouldn't be
I haven’t figured out the full build, but the idea of consecration + frenzied strike makes me real excited, especially if one use of the move (the upswing, then the slam) costs one melee charge, I’d be REAL happy.
If the Warlock arc slide melee can be used consequently three times(as said in the dev stream that one devs liked using a lot) then I see no reason why consecration is different, especially since that was also a favorite of the devs
something else I noticed from the screenshots and verbiage they used there are two “Trancendent” choices on the subclass screen and when talking about trancendent they mentioned each class would have “one unique to them” which is a very simple way to say that there will be multiple trancendent grenade choices, several shared, 3 that are unique to the individual classes. curious to see what the other choice is, possibly some kind of passive choice? for armor crafting, I’m curious if we’ll see any changes for this, at first I thought that the “harmonic” mods would probably just go based on your super. but now I’m thinking that kind of leads away from the fun mechanical choice of having this be a non-monochromatic subclass. lots of interesting things to see ahead!
God tier intro
The starting titan kit is fucking horrific, hopefully I don’t have to use it through too much of legendary till I can use a good combo
WTF are you talking about. It's going to be the best class in the game.
Titan go punch, jolt and ignite some shit, titan barricade, throw nades, titan go punch again jolting a ton of shit😆 like it’s just a titan build
They cook everything, and that’s my least favorite class to use😆
@@MrMultiPlatform the starting kit knockout and diamond lance
I'm already excited for FTV and Bleak Watcher with Osmiomancy. I think it's gonna be a wild combo, for sure.
Hey Datto do you know if the grenade and ability regen from Transcendence will conflict with the grenade and regen of Song of Flame?
The hunter one is pretty bleak. Could not imagine having 3 worse Light grenades to start. Heard a lot of peoples theorycrafts and have yet to see one that is something more/better than a monoclass. The spikes just aren't there. Knock em down combination blow would have been cool, Maybe vanishing step and threaded specter, A grim harvest that makes all pickups and gives all energies back, Widow's silk GPG and you get 2, even.
on top of that something powerful like facet of dominance does nothing on hunter since their transcendent grenade is solar stasis. On the other classes you can double dip with you special nade and regular but on hunter its a mono fragment. I'm sure some of these will work in hunters favor but will they be the strong ones. The weaken grenade and jolt grenade fragments are really strong and locks in almost every build and warlock and titan and double dip and use both. IDK it just seems wonky to me.
"While you’ll start off with a fairly focused initial loadout, you’ll quickly expand your toolset and possible combinations. As you continue through The Pale Heart of the Traveler, you’ll uncover the remaining abilities, Aspects, and Fragments as mission rewards as well as unlocking them through post-campaign quests and as collectibles hidden in the world."
They just mean the ones labeled as starting. The full list is displayed
I’m so glad that it sounds like they’ll be simplifying and speeding up the unlocking of fragments and aspects. I’ve put over a thousand hours into the game since beyond light and I still don’t have all the stasis bits because I never prioritized them. I was just a “casual” player who played a lot, I just hopped onto whatever I wanted to play on a given day, so I never got through all the stasis unlocks for all three classes. And considering I’ve barely touched the game since finishing the lightfall campaign once, I have no reason to run strand, since for me, it’s a weak subclass (due to how few unlocks I have).
Gunpowder Gamble being in there is fantastic all on its own.
im expecting some pretty silly synergies to come from the arcane needle + lightning surge synergies
3 melee charges for repeated slide melees, but you could also combine it with necrotic grip to make it an unravel + jolt + poison situation, and if you're extra spicy you could wear felwinter's helm with thorn/osteo striga for unravel + jolt + weaken + poison. the meme dream is pretty dank, but i kinda love it
One of the effects from the exotic class item they showed was powered melee kills cause ignitions.
So lightning surge becomes an absolute nuke in a group.
When you add feed the void and the fragment for rapid light damage kills fueling your melee energy you should have a neatly contained ability loop before you even think about adding exotics.
and all of a sudden im completely underwhelmed again
Have to wait and see but it looks like they give you a setting stone then the more things you discover the more you can alt your build. Either way it's going to be a super fun time and like always you should run what you like using
I like the naming scheme for the new subclass
Facets of a prism effecting how light (and dark) interact with the world in front of it.
VERY glad to see that there are restrictions, would hate to see the existing subclasses just become obsolete, thought im still worried that transcendence with the increase weapon damage and super grenades is gonna cause that anyway
At first I was excited, now I think they should've just given us more aspects and fragments for existing classes.
I already figured that it wouldn't be a full selection because if you paid attention to the video you can hear them say that. The choices are a little more restricted than I thought but I have a feeling the fragments will more than make up for what we see in the charts.
And who knows, they might add more to it later on because this leaves a huge door open for future build crafting and options.
HoiL sound spretty fun with transcendence, but i think i'm most excited for bleak watcher memes on warlock now that Song of Flame is in. i'm also just excited in general for the Titan grenade shield thing
Warlock with Strand grapple, Blink, and Phoenix Dive. I'm hoping that Icarus Dash becomes available. I just want all the movement.
yeah, this is exactly what I was thinking. would have loved to grapple across the field and chain-lighting for some awesome ad clear. I'm a little disappointed they took that away from every class and only gave it to the hunters, still cool with what we got, just don't use them almost ever 😅
Warlock dont have grapple on prismatic, as a hunter I expect shatter dive tbh but that probably wont be real
@@mahnobaga Which feelsbadman. I can understand from a balance perspective why but I’m hoping more options are added over time.
Blink with Icarus dash would feel great because icarus dash changes your movement so you have the control for your blink direction.
I was gonna do Strand grapple, blink, Phoenix dive with Astrocyte Verse, Icarus Dash, and Lightning surge for all the movements. But I guess I have to live without icarus dash until it becomes available later.
Nades being only one from each subclass is a huge misstep hunters legit have grapple and nothing else interesting lmao
Duskfields will at least still be decent crowd control, but that comes with the caveat of them being worse than when used on an actual stasis hunter.
@@shadow_blaze2317 the nerf to those duskfield gauntlets really showing its downsides. if they end up buffing anything i hope its to swarm nades inflicting more scorch or something.
Roaring flame+banner of war+strain titan melee or solar titan melee+one-two punch+synthoceps.
(Or the new class item exotic which hopefully can roll synthoceps+worm god husks exotic perks)
Combination blow/grapple with silkstrike and the fragments that give grenade energy on darkness final blows and subclass buff based on super damage type (woven mail for strand) seems like it could be a strong contender for an actual high level melee build
Already cooked a good hunter build:
Aspects: stylish + ascension (invis loop, free jolt + amplified which is a long buff)
Melee: either strand or stasis, whichever winds up being more effective
Grenade: I guess magnetic, it's like the least bad choice
Dodge: the melee recharge one
Super: doesn't really matter, probably solar
Fragments: dawn (radiant on melee hits)
Hope (faster class ability regen while element buffed)
Protection (gain defensive buff on orb pickup)
Ruin (increase ignition size)
Class item: calibans hand (ignitions on melee kill) + synthoceps/wormgod (at least one has to be available, melee damage buff)
Insane room clearer melee build that gives a million buffs off every kill, not even considering weapons
The grapple grenade melee combo counts as both a grenade and melee kill so, unless they change it, that could be an option of activating calibans as well
I actually prefer that they're limiting what's available to use in prismatic, otherwise it would be absolutely hectic.
My build is probably gonna be:
Combination blow + Gambler’s Dodge + Threaded Specter + Winter's Shroud and Grapple Grenade.
Super: Shadow Shot: Dreadfall.
Fragments: Facet of Balance, Facet of Dawn, Facet of Justice, Facet of Protection and Facet of Purpose.
Kinda sad knock em down isn't one we get but I understand it'd be a bit too op with withering blade or threaded spike being able to refund them every kill.
I'm going to try a build a cowboy build.
Maybe something like,
Golden gun
Withering blade
Grapple
Gg and stylish executioner
Marksman dodge or acrobat
No idea with fragments
this sounds like it’d completely slap
I feel like what they said about prismatic letting you really focus in on your guardian's identity kinda falls apart since 60% of abilities we currently have are excluded. I feel like it could too easily be narrowed down to 3 or 4 builds per class that are WAY out of line and everything else is just lukewarm since it doesn't have the necessary synergy from the original subclasses.
Do you think we will need the other DLCs to access those subclasses within prismatic? Or are they making stasis and strand readily available regardless of dlc ownership and campaign completion? Thanks!
Bro I think they unironically picked the worst aspects for each subclass on titan. Thruster Drenger's lash is the only thing I can see being good if Abeyant leap rolls on the class exotic.
they said they wanted to choose underutilized abilities and that they're doing tuning passes on them
Hunter looks pretty bad too. The only real winner here is warlock and that's only with the bleak watcher feed the void build
@@orangesoda51414those are gonna have to be REALLY big tunning passes to make me even want to consider choosing some of the chosen aspects. I mean full on reworks for stuff like winter's shroud, gun powder gamble, and weavers call.
@@kalebmoody-felix7896 gunpowder gamble is literally one of the best Hunter Aspects, why would it need a rework?
Consecration with strand melee is gonna be really good though. I was thinking the same about Drengers with Thruster being a fantastic option as well
With those 2 combos you could thrust in and use consecration 3 times in a row if you really wanted to.
As a warlock main, idc, I will be using prismatic for the rest of the life of the game, no I will not feel bad about it.
Well
I wanted tripmine since it is the signature hunter solar grenade but noticed combination blow was there, with ahamkara spine that would make an op combo
Build I am excited for: Hunter, with Winter’s Shroud, Stylish Executioner, Combination Blow, Grapple Grenade and Stasis or Strand Super. Thinking of it like “We have Assassin’s Cowl at home” and a tankier Arc Hunter at the same time. Leaves room for Liar’s Handshake and maybe some other uncommon options like Sealed Ahamkara’s, or whatever we can get on the class items. Reduxing one of my favorite builds of all time into something fresh.
Can we give well to hunter and titan just for 1 season to troll 😅.
The season of the well
Focusing the new subclass on underused abilities is a great way to create an underused subclass.
and focusing it on overused abilities is a great way to make every other subclass pointless and obsolete
Ahh yes the underused abilities like stylish and bleak watchers. Also tbh most subclass TTK stasis and strand has been all turbo broken this will probably be also turbo broken
@@blue21-23a you only really use stylish with gyrfalcon though. If you use gyrfalcon on prismatic, you lose the ability to use either your dodge or mele to go invisible and start the chain. I feel like prismatic hunter will be really bad unless those buffs to these underused aspects are incredibly significant
@@kalebmoody-felix7896 Stylish Executioner will work off of ANY elemental debuff when using Prismatic, same with the other aspects that have similar requirements.
@@kalebmoody-felix7896But we can also put that perk on our new class item, and combine it with another exotic perk of our choosing
This is basically what I was expecting. A little disappointed about a few aspects and fragments that were left out, but overall very exciting!
Im wondering does normal exotic armor work with this subclass. Like getaway artist to consume the grenade with the new solar aspect, or are we stuck with the class exotic only on prismatic?
To me, it feels like they needed to make another subclass after the disappointment from Light Fall so they smacked some stuff together and gave it a new coat of paint. A new color for my fellow crayon eating titans.
Hype over.
Once it’s all out. Golden gun, combination blow, grapple, stylish executioner, with gyrfalcons or if the class item allows it gyrfalcons/celestial
I would really need to experiment with this thing. Bc ive always dreamed of using my other abilities together with my arc class.
I also hear we can combo exotic armor perks. Is that true or a rumor?
The specific things they've picked for Prismatic have assuaged *some* of my concerns about the Subclass. It doesn't completely invalidate other subclasses, basically everyone has some unique or synergistic play pattern that Prismatic *doesn't* do. Prismatic titan doesn't have Sunspots, doesn't have overshield Barricade, doesn't have Banner of War, etc. etc. There don't seem to be much, if any, interactions with Element Keywords beyond a few specific ways of applying them.
I'm still not a fan of slapping Transcendence on top of all of this, and it still feels like a blatant "We need a new subclass to sell the expansion, quick, make something that doesn't require any new assets!" but my immediate sense of "Oh they're just killing the game to make a quick buck" is assuaged for the moment at least.
That's what I felt like. 'Make SOMETHING!' I knew we weren't getting everything. Half ass subclass, probably gonna pass
if this subclass comes out, and players don't feel like they have control over their builds, then I think it will become incredibly niche.
Ever since the change from the old Charged with kifht system you couldnt spam stasis turrets like you used to so im gonna be using feed the void + bleak watcher + needlestorm so that i can get woven mail through one of the new aspects. Haven't really thought about the rest but yeah
My main question now is will banner of war and consecration work together because consecration uses throwing hammer but banner of war procs on any melee kill, charged or not. So would they work in tandem?
The way they did it is the only way it could work without making everything else obsolete.
Rest in pepperoni subclass identity
Can I hug you? 🫂
Not really, Prismatic Warlock is lacking things like Well & Icarus Dash, other Prismatic classes also dont have certain items
Datto you really should make a video on how to best farm onslaught many people don’t know the difference between legend and regular loot wise so that info from you would be amazing
Felwinters and Severance Enclosures Might be interesting too. In all honesty I Severance may finally get a break, I haven’t looked too deep but I’m sure there is some crazy nuking power in that exotic.
Finally, my opinion on the new subclass has dropped
knowing that there's limitations kinda just makes me wish they wouldve just developed an entirely new subclass alltogether.
Agreed. No one will use Prismatic because the aspects are awful. Bungie just ruined the hype for Prismatic already. Also no third darkness subclass? This is the end of the Light and Dark Saga with episodes being the epilogue. Only having two darkness subclasses is completely bullcrap.
@@assassinwolf2719 it's weird that they built up the idea of three subclasses just for the third to be a mishmash of what we already have. It's not enough for me to justify $50.00 when I already have the other subclasses unlocked. Same thing about the pale heart. It seems to be heavily based on remixing places we've already been to, which just isn't exciting either.
The coolest thing has been the new Dread forces, but even then it feels like it's too late for this kind of addition considering how many people won't play (and don't intend to return) after TFS is over.
@@MakutaOfficial CoD Black OPS III: Zombie Revelations Map was just a rehashed of previous maps and only received negative reception. Rehashes doesn’t work most of the time unless you’re bringing back older content from previous games with a twist or new coat of paint. For example exotics weapons and armors from Destiny 1 were brought back but with a new perk or a rework.
@@assassinwolf2719 OMG YESSSSSS, I really disliked that map.
My guess is that with how we got new aspects with the seasons following stasis and strand being added, we'll get more stuff for prismatic. Maybe brand new things or just bringing up another option from each subclass