Atlanta's New Subway Cars - A Step In The Right Direction?
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- čas přidán 28. 02. 2022
- Atlanta's New Subway Cars - The CQ400s - Share a lot of the same design principles with trains commonly found across Europe and Asia. Could this be a sign of advancement in American Rail Transit?
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As a native Atlantan who recently migrated to New York City, I never thought I would hear the day MARTA would be praised over the MTA. MARTA has so much potential and the city desperately needs more public transit. Love the channel!
Transit systems should not be at the mercy of local politicians
Why is NYC Subway always dirty? It's not the case in Boston or Chicago!
I agree. Atlanta does need more transit. I really hope the MARTA Rail network is expanded.
We have a new subway car being in testing, called the R211.
@@vincentng2392 it's a 24 hour system ...over 3 million people a day use it...even on the weekends it still averages like 2 million a day
..not enough cleaners and stations don't close
I actually forgot Atlanta was getting new subway cars. I can't wait to see them in service!
I didn’t even know Atlanta had a subway system.
@@Bassotronics Well, we all learn something new every day. There are actually quite a lot of subway systems on the east coast alone: MBTA (Boston), MTA (New York City), SEPTA (Philadelphia), MTA Maryland (Baltimore), WMATA (Washington DC), MARTA (Atlanta) and the Miami-Dade Metrorail in Miami. I'm not sure if you're aware of some of those transit systems. We also have PATH and PATCO in New Jersey, 2 railroad systems that connect to majors cities, Path connecting to New York and PATCO connecting to Philadelphia.
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The Subway trains horn from Philadelphia sounds like it needs oil and a rat exorcist. Those are the ugliest horns I ever heard.
@@Bassotronics If you're talking about the Market Frankford line, they actually have whistles.
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The horns start at 9:13 on this video. One outside and one before entering the tunnel. 🤢czcams.com/video/s_b8_ViBucg/video.html
My brother and I used Marta for the first time when I was on vacation. It was pretty dead and limited, but I overall enjoyed it. If they could make them automated and possibly run 24/7, that would be something IMO. I wish so bad that the trains were more easily available especially further out of the “city”.
Dead? idk what stations you went to on Marta because the subway is usually packed lol. And the trains have an automated system its just they need to be manually driven sometimes.
During most of the day, the train needs to run more frequently. I’m a MARTA employee and when I take transit it’s not the best thing with the longer wait times. I was one minute late and had to wait 20 minutes for the next train. Why can’t they come every 10 minutes? Come on MARTA!
Every time I’ve been in Atlanta, I rode on MARTA & it’s always been a pleasant experience. These new subway cars look excellent and I can’t wait to see these trains come into service and transform Atlanta in the process. Can’t wait to ride on them either!
The Washington metro should consider getting open gangways especially the red blue and green lines that get crowded fast during rush hour
I agree, but first, they need to figure out the issues with their current rolling stock.
Yeah. First let’s get back the 7000 series trains. Even though all of METRO’s cars have forward and rear facing seats instead of all sideways seating, the new 7000 Series cars we are waiting to get back in service (from an earlier accident investigation) do have less seats and much more room for people to stand up. So they are a step in the right direction, once we finally get them back in service !
@@EspionageCourt Yup
Like right? I didn't know they even existed but now that I've seen em, I want em!
You know what would go great with these new cars?
A metro extension.
I use to operate the MARTA trains, these look really nice.
I'm a daily MARTA rider and I can't wait for these to be put into service.
I love this report. Yes, they are a step in the right direction
I’m glad you like this vid, and I’m glad that MARTA is finally getting new stock. Hopefully more systems start to follow.
Marta is a system with so much potential. If it had a ring line around 5 points, it might curb suburban sprawl and densify the inner city more. Hopefully, in doing this it would decrease traffic flow.
Thats called the beltline. Except that will be light rail with lots of stops. So it wont be a quick transfer option, but it has driven more density in the city.
Yep Here's hoping that the Beltline system gets built asap with more light rail throughout the city. Expansion of the heavy rail network needs to happen as well. And finally commuter rail. It's all being worked on....albeit slowly.
Doing that would not decrease traffic flow. It might however, stop more people from getting stuck in traffic jams.
@@MrAronymous yes you are correct, tis what I meant. I got a bit excited talking about the idea lol
you have to look at this history of how the marta rail developed, which neighborhoods wanted stations, which ones did not. if you understand the history that will explain to you why your good ideas have not happened.
As an Asian-American living in America, I certainly do hope that the New York Subway, WMATA Metrorail, BART, and the Boston T subway system get this similar type of railcar to ultimately replace all of the aging railcars in order to alleviate some of the overcrowding
I'm actually super excited to see them in person. Hopefully the R211T's are successful so the option orders can just be R211T's
Actually saw a MARTA car on the bed of a truck a few months back in PA and was wondering if they were replacing trains soon. Thanks for the info!
MARTA operates almost exclusively in Fulton, Clayton, and DeKalb counties, although they maintain bus service to two destinations in neighboring Cobb County (Six Flags Over Georgia and the Cumberland Transfer Center next to the Cumberland Mall), while Doraville station serves portions of Gwinnett County via Gwinnett Transit buses. MARTA also operates Mobility, a separate paratransit service for disabled customers. As of 2014, the average total daily ridership for the entire system (bus and rail) was 432,900 passengers.[1]
What Seattle could have had. But as someone born after the failure of Forward Thrust, I like what we got now, though. Say, could Stadler design a LRV, North American style, but with 1.5KV DC vs 750 Volts. Want to see some competition for future LINK orders.
Marta was actually originally for Seattle but they voted against
I lived in Atlanta for two years and they need it but I think they need it more expanded more than anything too. Living in Chicago now their train needs updating but it’s good to get over all the over
Cobb and Gwinnett county don’t want marta. Why they can’t expand heavy rail in the counties they’re already in, I have no idea 🤷🏽♂️
@@BL4CKKN1GHT The suburbs definitely need it, especially atl metro is expected to gain another 2-3 million people in the next 20 years
@@cowser67 yet there is no expansion in the metro area. Even if the can’t expand into Cobb and Gwinnett county, they aren’t expanding heavy rail in the counties they’re in. The only expansion is bus rapid transit and one light rail line within the perimeter.
Glad to see Atlanta investing in modern rolling stock. Stadler built a factory in Salt Lake City recently an I hope othe cities will follow, so it was worth the investment.
in what way could walkthrough cars be unsafe? isn’t it safer that passengers aren’t walking between enclosed cars during operation? i’m so confused as a european
Hey, people like to create tons of excuses because they don't want change.
Some people have said that the homeless might be an issue, as they can more freely roam the train.
I can't for the life of me work out what's unsafe. I've ridden in the curviest and bounciest part of the Auckland network in the open gangway and it was fine?
@@MysticTransit Well then, yet another reason to properly address the issue of homelessness in Atlanta
Wish we had similar Rail cars here in Dallas. Tho the silver line is getting the stadler flirt, they wont be used on all the LRT lines.
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Thanks for watching!
Finally Georgia gets some new stuff.
BART has been adding new cars to its fleet as well. They have 3 doors on each side instead of two, fewer seats and more standing options to hang on to, and better electronic signs that tell you where the train is on the system map + signs on each end of the car letting you know which stop is next. The A/C works better than the old cars too. All in all, it’s a nice upgrade.
Yeah, I know about BART's FOTF cars. I was actually planning to create a video on them not too long ago, but unfortunately, I scrapped the idea.
Cool 😎 Nice subway train cars👍🏾
Although I love the new CQ400s and cannot wait for their introduction into the MARTA fleet, I will miss the old CQ310s, CQ311s, and CQ312s since I grew up with them.
Me too! It was trippy seeing one of the CQ310s (Unit 509, to be exact) getting moved to the Southeastern Railway Museum, already being memorialized before we even get the first order of CQ400s in. The old cars will hold a special place in my heart, but I'm also antsy to get these new ones on the rails because we're well overdue for an upgrade!!
Atlanta needs to be more talked about so their faults can get exposed and hopefully make them improve
Yesss do more on MARTA
Stadler Rail CQ400 for MARTA. Stadler are the best known for manufacture for trains and rolling stocks in Europe and worldwide.
How about extending the lines. That's what's really needed. Also, it's sad that U.S. cities have to turn to foreign countries to manufacture their subway cars.
Reminds me of Toronto Rocket subway cars
I love the new Berlin Ubahn cars. They will look perfectly in Red and black scheme for the IRT.
They look so futuristic!
The new renders make it seem like the cq400’s will be based off of the same platform as the Merseyrail class 777’s, which is pretty neat!
I was about to comment the same thing - They look very much like the Class 777.
Cannot wait to see it one day in a future
Great video. The problem with Marta is, other than Hartsfield and downtown, the train lines, in reality two local only lines and two spurs, don’t go anywhere.
Wdym they service every activity center in the broader metropolitan area but emory university. They service the medical center, downtown, midtown, buckhead, chamblee, Decatur, and even doraville. These are all highly dense activity centers of varying degrees and all attract tons of both growth and traffic. I think if anything the fact that just 4 main lines are able to attract 200k plus in daily ridership proves the feats of it's design.
@@noscopedjfk920 I disagree but being as New York is my favorite subway system, I guess I’m a bit spoiled by having a station every six blocks or so. The only thing I find Marta useful for it when I go to a tech game and park at college park and ride up to North Center.
@@j.r.r.4 the DC metro is my favorite system as it serves so much area. Wish Marta would serve north west
@@patricknedz agreed. Marta, compared to other systems in comparably sized cities, is poor. Trains go virtually nowhere.
@@noscopedjfk920 no they don't. There are a ton of places you can't get to on the train in Atlanta
They Look Great.
I agree!
I saw that V shape on the front in the thumbnail and immediately recognised it as a Stadler product. We've got some Stadler trains here in the UK on our national rail network, about 70 in East Anglia operating with Greater Anglia, and soon to enter service, a few fleets destined for commuter services around Cardiff in Wales, and Liverpool in the North West. The ones in East Anglia have- to put it simply- floored *everyone*. They're a monumental leap forward in British rolling stock, they're faster than almost every other regional train in the country- the 3-car hybrid variant running on Electric power is the fastest accelerating train in the country- and they're some of the most reliable new trains, as well as being exceptionally comfortable and by far the most accessible trains in the country. They are so far the only train which a wheelchair user can board unassisted, thanks to their 960mm floor height, matched to the platforms on the railways in East Anglia, and retractable steps that deploy to bridge the gap. I'm really excited to see Stadler finally making it big outside of Continental Europe and can't wait to see where they go next.
Exactly. I would think having it go straight through would increase safety.
Nice video bro 👌
Thanks
I Have been on Marta before and the cars are fairly old but it’s been like 6 years sense I have been on them!
There is a station a block from my house so of course I can't wait to see the new trains
Finally open gangways in an American subway train
Why couldn’t those be the replacements for MTA. Thats a beautiful train design
They're too small, they wouldn't translate well.
@@kingike25319 I was talking more about looks than actual sizing
@@kingike25319 CQ400 are 75 ft long they are not small
The TTC has been operating trains just as modern as these for a long time (the Toronto Rocket)
That Stadler nose is present and correct \m/
I wish I could acquire the breda Marta subway train if I had a back yard here in NYC
its about time atl is getting new subway cars
I agree.
They look nice imo
It looks quite similar to the MerseyRail Stadler trains used in Liverpool's metro system in the UK.
When will Georgia develop light rail from the University of Georgia to Atlanta? I love attending g events at the UGA but will not attend again, no family members, until wr are able to use a rail system to the UGA-traffic is horrendous and not worth it!!!
I only saw the thumbnail and thought "That looks very much like a Stadler design", and 6 seconds into the video - It's a Stadler 😂
The rounded windows on both the doors and the train itself are way too dumpy. They could at least have hidden it all with externally glazed ribbon glass to give a sleeker more contemporary look. As is, the exteriors are already dated
I can probably see them replacing R68s R68A 1986-1989 construction with 5 doors like a Alstom Metro Cammell Hong Kong MTR M stock late 1970s design also 75ft long. Propulsion for these CQ400s modified to run BMT/IND as R68 R68A replacements is Siemens traction motors same as a German and Austrian ES64U2. In train simulator world 2 terms MRCE BR182 DB BR182 future ÖBB 1116 & 1016 making them distinct from the other Siemens propulsions R160B 8843-9102 which I used back in July 2015 from Time Square 42nd Street to 34th Street Herald Square N train.
Inside R68A & R68 these have Transverse seating which is what CQ400S have.
Ik how sad it would be to scrap the CQ series subway cars. I can see them being given a second life by being placed in DC, Baltimore and Miami for example, I could also see some of them being kept as spare power in case the new subway cars break down or if another issue happens, some can even be preserved at museums like the Seashore Trolley Museum in Maine for example, they have plenty of Subway cars down there so I can see them earning a new home there. Aside from all this, I completely agree with you, the new cars are a step in the right direction and I can't wait to see them in service soon alongside the R211s in New York and future Subway projects.
They look similar to the new units on the Mersey rail in Liverpool
finally an American subway train that doesn't look like it's from 50 years ago.
New York needs individual Seats with divider’s in between to prevent laid out sleeping on the train
Looking at the video, the new train that are being built for the MARTA Subway by Stadler Rail has a little resemblance to the British Rail Class 777 EMU, which operates on the Merseyrail network in the United Kingdom.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_777
You’re not wrong.
Both the 777 and CQ400 use the Stadler Metro platform as a base so the design will be similar.
The front looks similar to the new Merseyrail trains.
Questifoning their choice to have the doors be internal vers exterior like in london to allow more windows
I hope the keep those big ass seat like they got rn
What is the transit system in the clip at 3:04?
It is one of the systems in China, I think.
It would be nice if WMATA and CTA replaced its fleet with a modern fleet
WMATA has Modern 7000 Series Cars. They just aren’t back in service yet !!! They were pulled from service due to a de-railment back in Oct
MARTA's 70s railcars looks almost exactly like the WMATA's cars.
It reminds me of the Montreal metro
i think these will be the best usa rolling stock. shame LA couldn't get these instead of the Chinese
stadler nice
I seriously hope they retain enough older sets to increase frequency on all lines. MARTA is a well built, high capacity system that is used to a fraction of its potential. The headways outside of weekday rush are just pathetic.
well what do you expect it's built to move people from suburbs into cbds.
i don't think the issue is lack of rolling stock it's lack of money for manpower to run the gold standard for lightly used suburban rail of 7-8min on weekends.
15-20 mins on weekends on a heavy rail system in a city like atl is indeed pathetic at least make it 12.
@@brianlacroix822 Well, it may have been built for that but certain parts of the system certainly could do more than that. The East-West line for example between Ashby and Decatur has quite dense neighborhoods surrounding the stations. I used to live in close walking distance to Edgewood station and would go out various places in Midtown but would normally take Uber because MARTA was so abysmal off peak. Even if you just enhanced service on the inner city segments that would make a big difference in usability. The combination of poor intervals and the change in Five Points just made it unusable for non work trips. Even on weekdays if I left work later than 6 or so it took very long.... I suspect you are right about the issue being money rather than rolling stock...
I hope the airbrake isn't loud on the CQ400
I bet if the bid for those railcars was won by the CRRC instead, they would've been less reliable and they would plague the same problems as the MBTA 14/1900s.
These trains look a lot cooler than the r211 trains in New York City
don't forget South America (Chile) also have the most modern subways in the world
How is MARTA handling with potential low ridership because of the pandemic?
The CQ312s can be literally converted into FRA railroad cars .
MARTA, it's SMARTA.
Only 38 stops? A city the size of ATL needs a bigger system
Definitely, especially in the central city. Yes, extending the red line up to Roswell, Alpharetta, etc and the gold line into Gwinnett would be great, its the intown areas like OFW, West Midtown, Summerhill, etc that need it the most. Then, expand to the rest of the dense areas ITP. At this point, Cobb, northern Fulton, Gwinett, Clayton, will be practically begging for extensions, so there will be less local opposition (the reason MARTA doesn't go there yet)
Batman: Why did you say that name?!!!
Finally my hometown subway is actually getting there head out of there ass.
2:30 in video you said " minus c transfer seating" ??? What does this mean. Please explain these certain terms that many of us might not visualized what you're saying. It's very confused what you're saying some of the words just seem sluggish I don't know it just comes out this way. Try to speak clearer next time we love your videos and your opinions stay well during this pandemic we're still in all the best you in your future videos
"Transverse" Seating
Makes Seattle turning down FTA money for a heavy rail system of the same era even more painful. We’re still doing 8 driver cabs per train set :/
Well organized Marta was for Seattle but Seattle Metropolitan didn't want it. So Atlanta got it and it's only two metro areas that doesn't want Marta Cobb County and Gwinnett County
@@hoodboyzAtl With the way the demographics are changing, I bet both will get MARTA soon
Why does the thumbnail look like the Auditor?
2:34 except on game day*
I don't particularly care for these, I like the current body structure better. A.M.O.F., a modernized retro design and features would have been better.
The CQ312 are in awful shape. The bodies started bending almost immediately and the electronics were obsolete when they were introduced.
Less seating! The outside is still gonna look like a rolling circus with ADVERTISEMENTS over the outside… #hateit!!!
Expand the lines. Those 4lines are terribly inadequate. The city grew bigger simce marta first started
Latin American have nice metro too look santo domingo metro
Not enough seats & too much empty space
There are enough space, and there needs to be standing room.
But what about the r211
What about it?
@@MysticTransit I think it just a good as this train and I think you should compare the 2 in my opinion
China could provide you these at half the cost but twice as good in half the time too. And you pay with printed $. 😀
Hey we can criticize MARTA for having old cars but it’s nothing compared to the old stock Boston has on their Red Line !! I returned to Boston a year ago and rode their crappy old Red Line cars. It’s flat out embarrassing !!!
Marta?! WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?!
Does Marta have a worse off rep with suburbanites than plentiful systems in comparably populated regions? Do they have unbearable crime or are the trains routinely reeking of bodily fluids?
Then why on earth is the Atlanta region voting like they don’t have routinely SEVERE traffic congestion and have an actual suburban street grid instead of it purely wheel & spoke well outside the downtown core? They’re never going to be Dallas no matter how big they make their roads… and that says something (you see how big I-75 AND I-85 get a ways north of “the Perimeter”?!).
Not only does Atlanta need LRT within the city itself AND a commuter rail baseline, but they need a metro line to entirely parallel ALL OF THE SUPER DENSE DEVELOPMENT along the “top end” of I-285, as well as the blue, green & gold lines extended accordingly to fan out crowds between the Perimeter and said commuter rail system that needs to exist long term…
OH, and secondary (but VERY dense) business districts will overwhelmingly likely require streetcar/trams to effectively disperse crowds from said primary commuter/metro stations. Take Cumberland, Sandy Springs, and perhaps Marietta (and that’s not counting the noticeable number of dying shopping malls that could overwhelmingly likely be completely redone into high rise mixed use districts within a district especially in the less foreseeable future.
I wish they would spend the money expanding the system instead.
I think Rolling Stock is more important rn. Can’t run broken trains on a new line.
The existing trains are 10+ years past their expected lifetime. Mechanical failures happen frequently. No one will want to expand the system when the current system is unreliable.
Either way, an expansion would generally require new trains to be bought anyways, or the existing trains would be spread out with less frequent service.
As a born and raised New Yorker I've always said that the MTA should build a new subway car different from what we are accustomed to something never seen before but I see alanta beat New York on that one. The new 211 are nice except the small windows and row seeing plus the same outdated design used on the NY subway cars for years. Marta I like your style.
The all white interior makes it look very sterile
That's a concept. I'm sure it won't be all white.
Same crap people are getting pushed into the tracks how is this going to help that
Marta doesn't have them problem like MTA does
Give the old cars 15 more years expand route with mind of new rolling stock solutions fixed see just new rolling stock only adds to more money nothing new but new train cars
we need them all over America, they look more high tech than the new NYC subway cars
Because they are more high tech than MTA R211
Toronto Transit Commission (TTC) was the first in North America to introduce open gang-ways.(Our trains are built in Thunder Bay by Bombardier (now ALSTOM) These trains run on our North South line (line 1) they can hold 33% more passengers. And they run on Automated Train Control (ATC) being installed by ALSTOM. The new trains are (as of a year ago) One operator. no guard car to operate doors anymore.
Open gangways are not bad, i too was unsure of the safety... its nice to be able to walk through the train when its moving.
Dont forget, Toronto has had a heavy rail subway since 1954. Montreal uses trains like Pairs opened in the 60s, Vancouver, Detroit, Washington and Scarborough all use (what started out as ) ICTS (Intermediate Capacity Transit System ) in the late 80s though All have moved on to next generation trains, and Scarborough will be shut down and demolished in December. but they are NOT SUBWAYS! they are light rail systems. SUBWAY = Heavy rail (NYC and Toronto)
Just call MARTA the east coast BART
But worse
I agree with the “worse” thing. MARTA needs more reach.
Nah, give that name to Washington DC. MARTA is a giant disaster.
Lol definitely WMATA than Marta.