"BOARDTALK": CHANNELS "Shapers' Hydrodynamic Theories Are Complete Bullshit."
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- čas přidán 28. 10. 2021
- Magic Hands Bando Shapes explains how and why channels work, and much more on today's episode of Boardtalk. "From the beach to the water, from the mind to the factory". Did you learn something? Do you disagree? Comment below!!
Most any board works well in good surf. What we are working on here is small wave innovation for surfcraft designed for waves shoulder high and under. Share theories and ideas and witness @trsurfing and Bando riding an experimental 5'0" Aysemetric channel bottom in some tiny, gutless surf.
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I started shaping surfboards at 14 and self taught. Today I tool "shape" high performance speed boats. Performance cats, to be specific. That said, I have always gravitated toward technical innovation. Back in the day I was very inspired by channels in surfboards and Al Merrick's Tri plane hull designs. All of those had their merits but when it came down to a long fade bottom turn on a top to bottom wave these models had too much lift and the fins slipped out during the bottom turn. As much as I love technology and new innovation, this concept seemed to run it's course back in the early 80's. John Carper once said, as I remember, "flatter is faster". Not to say concaves and vees don't have their place, they certainly do. But sometimes basic reality works better than an engineering concept and the highly skilled abilities of an amazing shaper. Just saying, with hope of learning something from some constructive criticism in a comment reply. 👍✌️
It sounds like you experiment a lot - which is a good thing! As far as your theories if it works the way you want it to work then you learned something of value to YOU... No prob. Not to long I had a crazy idea of combined fish/mini Simmons shape, k. So a fishy wide nose, and a narrowest possible tail block at 10"....... But then I set fins up more than a mini Simmons... Just like a fish retro almost... I took it out in 5'+ surf got my first wave board linked everything! Stay stoked
Very interesting, bottom contours have been overlooked for years.
The pro scene doesn't help because they don't like experimental stuff.
True! Surprising no one strives for a "leg up."
maybe channels would be good for a finless setup but i feel like with fins its mostly a drag on your speed and useless.
Any chance I can get dimmension on that fish? I love the shape!
hit up Phil on Instagram @magic_hand_bando_shapes
Jajaja, supper supper cool phill.
At 4 minutes it looks like a Magic Model. I basically agree with your design perspective. The test ride looks like the board is tracking too much though, tail rocker?
No the board goes good and the tail rocker is fine, super fast...the footage was literally my first wave on it, I did not know how to ride it yet 🤣
It's definitely tracky. Concaves work because they decrease the rocker line, and the water is able to flow faster, through a straighter line. Bernoulli's principle has an effect as well, especially in channels. If the channel is deep, the water gets flowing through the channel at a high speed and pressure, and when you turn the board, you have to break that pressure, and that takes considerable energy and breaks laminar flow, causing drag. This translates to tracking or stiffness. A channel will work if the speed of the water does not exceed the limits of laminar flow. If it does, the water will not wrap, but start to cavitate. There is little to no hold during cavitation, so the water will skip over the channel, and won't even go into it. That's why it will feel more alive in a faster wave, because the water will just pass over the channel. It will still cause drag, similar to a bumpy surface.
How about jet bottom?
The shaper sounds like he really knows what he's talking about but I hate writing boards under 6 ft it's way too small other than that I agree with mostly what he says
no need to hate 🤣
Fuck yeah! Preach!
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What’s the name of the shaper speaking?
@magic_hand_bando_shapes on Instagram