DON'T BUY A FORD! Quality Is KILLING FORD's Future!
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- čas přidán 19. 11. 2023
- DON'T BUY A FORD! Quality Is TRASH, Now They're Paying The Price
Ford's quality has been worst in class for years. Ford is losing the trust of it's dealers and more importantly, it's consumers. Things will need to change at Ford or they will be in serious trouble.
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80 grand for a 45 grand truck. Good luck Ford.
These trucks arent worth $40k
No doubt. Well put
The ranger is like 45k rn. It's laughable 😂😂
And there you have it, pretty much the whole car market 🤔
@@jmmywyf4lyfReally not. Maybe a 1 ton.
Sold my 2022 F-350 dually and just sold my 2020 F-350. Theres a lot I could say about my experience, but it will suffice to say I won't ve buying another Ford truck...ever.
One mans trash is another mans treasure
@@JeffSh00ts Sure going to miss my membership in the "Ford Recall of the Month" program, but I will learn to live without it.
No, it’s another man’s trash LOL
Ford tough lol
At Ford quality is job #1 , liars
I was a Ford mechanic for over 30 years. I watched the things that Ford did to their customers over the years. I was part of a focus group that Ford started trying to fix some of the issues we saw in hopes of correcting them before they got to the customers. I am sad to say they did nothing we suggested. I purchased a Ford Ranger 4x4 new drove over 200,000 miles and never had an issue. Outside of an alternator nothing ever failed. I know people are going to call B.S. but that's my story believe it or not. The next truck I purchased was a Ford Explorer. I overhauled the transmission at 100,000 miles and it was my fault, I got stuck in a snow storm and burnt the transmission out of it. I ran that until almost 200,000 miles and the only reason I sold it I noticed a small oil leak at the rear main seal and figured it was time. Unfortunately, the only choices I had in a small/midsized pickup at that time were Chevy Colorado, Toyota, or Nissan, Ford had stopped making the Ranger and the Explorer. Toyota's were way over priced, didn't trust the Chevy, so I purchased a Nissan Frontier, it now has over 100,000 miles on it and so far, has been trouble free. After talking to other truck guys I can't see me going back to Ford again. granted I took care of my trucks, but even that doesn't mean anything today. It hurts me to say things negative about Ford products, I still own a Fox Body Mustang, but unless I see major changes in COST and Quality I am not going back.
Should have bought the Colorado. I switched to Chevy after 52 years of Ford. I love my Colorado.
@@romans828. It that with the sad 5.3 with AFM self destructing lifters or the pathetic 3.0 diesel that might replace the 6.0 power stroke as the worst engine ever put in a truck?
Good on you!
Lucky, most of those Colorado's/Canyon's are junk @@romans828.
I have a 1993 V6 Nissan King Cab with over 200K . It starts on a dime, and the only thing that has gone wrong was a battery cable. I rarely use it, but can't part with it either.
This started in 1998-I worked for a company that supplied electronic compoenents to FORD. They had a program (to improve quality) called "Six Sigma" (after the statistical number for 3.7 PPM defect rates. THis was very costly for the vendors to initiate-it required audits, extra hires, generation of worthless statistics, etc. We finally got it-only to be rewarded with demands for price cuts..they demaded 5% reductions per year. This made sales to FORD unprofitable and led to many suppliers dropping out. FORD started buying from cheap Chinese suppliers...end of story. They brought this on themselves.
100 yrs of building vehicles and they still can't get it right.
It's not a matter of can, it's a matter of effort and commitment to get it right. All three US big brands have issues and that's what happens when you couple the corporate profit drive with UAW union workers "I don't give a sht attitude" towards pride in their work.
Far and away to much electronics and computers on board these days, over complicated.
Planned obsolescence!
They did build them right back in the 80s and early 90s when they started putting all the computerized junk is when it went bad
@@glyniscoleman4813And more plastic parts as well. 😅
I've worked as a tech at ford dealerships for 21 years and you pretty much summed it up perfectly
As a tech, who the hell wants to do cut rate warranty work all day. You would go broke!
i just bought a 01 mustang 4.6 it is pretty good.
@@Dan-gj1hz ford used to pay a lot better on warranty work than gm or chrysler, not anymore
@@subaruamazon 4.6 is a solid engine
@christophert844 So is the S550 5.0😉. I've got 45k miles on it and not one problem and I'm not gentle with it all the time either.
Ford had better realize that the best selling truck brand got there because of durability and reliability.
My '95 F150 is rock solid dependable and the air still blows cold.
Nothing major has been needed, just routine maintenance.
She's got 168000 on the clock and still runs great. When vehicles fall apart despite diligent routine maintenance it's not only a disappointment.
Because of the ridiculously high prices, it can be devastating to a working family and their financial well being.
Thanks for your post.
As a life long Ford guy, it is very disappointing to know that my old pickup will probably outlive most of the $65,000.00 "wonders" sitting on that lot...
I bought my first Ford in 2001 it is a 2000 F250 7.3 it had 60k on it and now has 280k looks and runs like new no oil use and I will drive until it dies it doesnt owe me anything . Great Show
You are 100% right, I worked at a Ford dealer last year and it was laughable what they push out.
F dealers and employees may as well milk it for all it's worth, don't think Ford will last to 2030.
Can you explain more why you say this?
@@Mrbfgray there are plenty of suckers out there buying Ford vehicles and even if they didn't the government would bail them. They will last well past 2030.
@@Mrbfgraygovernment will bail them out
@@EldePHX Gotta fight bailouts, best hope is they are so diminished as to not be "too big to fail"...and we all raise hell.
Tad sad to see Big Three go down, but the only way markets can operate efficiently, fast and effective. F has a chance in some diminished form or colab.
Rural America few decades ago, we *relied on Sears.* Now forgotten and not missed, Sears was American Icon since 1900...fell behind new tech and got replaced.
I just bought a Toyota Tundra. But I actually preferred the F150 with the interior space, the flat floor in the back seat area, the interior layout and the overall styling. But the quality issues stopped me from going through with a purchase. Plus the trucks in my area have been sitting on the dealer's lots for 8, 10, 12+ months. Many had dead batteries, were dirty inside and out and some had things not working properly. Not the thing a buyer wants to see when preparing to shell out the amount of coin it takes to buy a 1/2 ton truck these days. The Tundra I bought has a build date of 10/2023, was on the dealer's lot for 1 day and everything works as it should. Is the Toyota perfect? No. But it's miles ahead of f150.
A Tundra is also cheaper than a comparable F150 is it not? In Canada Tundra's are about 10K CDN cheaper than a comparable F150.
Toyota isn't perfect but they last far longer with far less issues and if there is an issue, they fix it. Toyota stands behind their product.
I bought a tundra over an f 150 eight years ago and I’ve been happy with that decision ever since. My truck has had zero issues - ever.
As my mechanic (an old school Chevy guy) recently told me that if you want to buy something you have to maintain, buy a Toyota.. if you want to buy some vehicle you have to fix all the time then buy something else.
Definitely not miles ahead with a hybrid turbo setup 😂😂😂 sounds like a nightmare in about 7 years
My September 2023 Ford issues:
2020 Expedition Max: Transmission went out at 33k miles. Took 5 weeks to rebuild.
2023 Ford F-150 Lariat: AC went out after 2 weeks. Fortunately the dealership that sold me the vehicle made it a priority to fix, but still took a week for parts to arrive and repair.
I will buy a different brand for my next vehicle.
2 weeks and the ac went out that’s just pathetic do they even test the vehicles at all?
Everyone is making overpriced junk these days.
On my 3rd 1.5l Ecoboost. The car has less than 40,000 miles. Had one explode 7 days after it was installed. After 50 years this is my last Ford.
If Toyota or Honda ever came out with Heavy Duty truck lines they would make a killing.
i once owned a toyota dually... it was used but MY GOD it was a horrible truck. i still remember how we used to bail out of it wondering if it were going to catch on fire.
Toyota was going to release an HD truck. Not sure if it's still on the table? If so, I will he driving one.
Honda that's funny
It always bothered me that Honda never made a small economical truck, 4cyl rear wheel manual, back in the golden days of the Nissan Hardbody and Toyota pickups of 80s-90s. Honda could have made some awesome little trucks.
@@pezpengy9308 When did Toyota make a dually?
Them talking about dealerships price gouging is a joke. The sticker on the window comes from the factory 2 and 2.5 times over the value of the vehicle. They got $70k stickers on $30k trucks. They can keep that junk.
Amen😂
Been that way for awhile. It's just gotten so bad now that a larger percentage of the population is being priced out. The used market is more delusional than the new.
@@ricklopez8431 The reliability really IS bad. If you want proof, check Consumer Reports Annual Auto issue.
GM trucks are not too far behind...
They BOTH price gouge, manufacturer and dealer, but the manufacturer is being semi-forced to do this by the federal gov't. This all started with CAFE rules and forced building of EV's, and none of those are money makers, so manufacturers have been progressively jacking the prices of low cost vehicles, mostly trucks, to cover the dev costs of the other crap.
Back in 2001, as a high school graduate present my parents got me a 01 Mustang V6. Was cheaper than the last year of Ford Escorts. Brand new off the lot, after 6 months of driving it, 1/2 the dashboard went out. Under warranty and got it fixed (the Ford dealership claimed it was just the chips). After the fix, another 3 months of driving, a little puff of smoke comes out of the steering wheel and 1/2 the dashboard goes out again. After that, I swore that I would never own another Ford Vehicle.
Dang my mom had 01 v6 mustangs yellow hahaha. She got over 215k miles on it before she traded it for a pos jeep
Edit: she had zero issues. Just regular maintenance.
Atleast you got a graduation present.
Got a brand new v6 handed to ya and you beat on it thinkin u had a cobra huh?😂😂😂
2018 Raptor owner, I did cam phasers, water pump and thermostat at 85k miles. I upgraded the upper control arms to the Fabtech uni-ball style. Much beefier than stock. Sits on 37x13.50x 24’s. Changed spark plugs at 86k miles and they all looked really good. The 3.5 eco boost burns zero oil and I avg 13.5 mpg. Been a very good truck and has been on a few trips to the mountains. Very comfortable, roomy and rides very well even with the hard/heavy mud tires. As for the 10 speed transmission, when I first get in to drive, I put it in tow haul mode, and when the operating temp is reached after 10 miles or so, I take it out of tow. It helps eliminate the ‘skip shift’ roughness doing it this way. In summary, I like my raptor. It’s my 8th ford vehicle since 1999 with 6 of them Mustang GT’s, and 1 Shelby GT 500. My 2010 FX2 with the 5.4 had 134k miles when I traded for a 2015 Mustang GT. It was a flawless truck with only the bulk head seal leaking on the transmission at 100k miles. My raptor has had the phaser issue, but hopefully with the new design phasers, it can last a while longer. With all that being said, my next vehicle I want to try out will be a Lexus. I want to experience the quality and luxury without breaking the bank.
I’ve been looking at raptors but 13.5 mpg damn that might be a deal breaker for me
@@Turtle-sz7sk My mpg is less than factory specs bc I have the 37’s. And I’m lifted higher than stock which creates more wind drag.
Raptor and Ford in general are overpriced garbage. I have a 2014 Tundra with over 100K miles and have done nothing over the 10 years of ownership except change the oil every 5k miles. Tundra is the only truck I will own, and I will NOT buy the new Tundra, because they put in a V6 with turbochargers... crap!
@@Nobamaable It will definitely be my LAST Ford truck. I won’t buy another one. As for the Mustang, 2015 - 2017 is my only pick.
I just picked up a 2007 Camry 5-speed manual for my new work commuter. I love it!
@@NobamaableThe Tundra is not even a real truck. Slow underpowered gas guzzling ricer. Maybe that’s why the engines last slow dogs.
Ford/GM/Chrysler went through the same thing in the 70's. They lost a whole generation of car buyers that would never buy domestic. It took many years to fix, and now they are back to doing the same thing, turning out crappy vehicles. I've owned 5 Mustangs (1st was a 65 Fastback), several F250s, and various other cars. Latest car we purchased was a Toyota TRD and I don't see buying another Ford ever again. Both daughters had crappy Fords that they got rid of and are now happy with their Toyotas.
When I was a kid in the 70's my dad got a new Chrysler that broke down and left my mom and me stranded. I grew up swearing I'd never buy a Chrysler and I haven't.
Totally agree with you. In the 70's it was very poor quality combined with absolute total arrogance on the part of Ford/GM/Chrysler. The serious problem is that you lose customers that you will never get back. My last Ford purchase was in 1986, a brand new Mustang LX. A nightmare of a vehicle with a litany of problems starting on day two of my ownership. Never again, I said. I have been Ford free for 37 years now, and a Toyota owner for 36 years.
I’m with you
Toyota going down also. Don’t fool yourself, Toyota isn’t what it used to be.
The American industry is pretty much extinct (unless they get they're act together and start building high quality vehicles again).
I'm 82 years old back in the 1950's I bought a 1947 Ford for $ 75 the flat heads ran a long time, burnt oil but all was needed to keep them running was a couple wrenches and extra wire.
I owned a 1959 Ford F-100 in turquoise. It had a 292 V8 that ran like a top. Three speed on the tree manual. After some years, I finally sold it to a USMC buddy in 1983. He says it still runs like a top this very day!
Ford needs to get back to the basic and build a reliable vehicle! Like they did in the passed.
I commend you for even just being on CZcams lol
$ 75 would not get us the wrenches, the wire and oil to keep it running today.
I’ve got a 1950 Ford F1 Now they’re all plastic, over engineered crap
Love your commentary. Thank you for the honest information and for sharing your passion and specialty.
The trailer hitch cover on my GMC Sierra says: REMOVE TO TOW FORD
It's a shame that the main reason Ford is trying to improve quality is to cut down on recall costs instead of taking pride in their work and doing it right the first time around.
Your comment sums up the problem exactly. Pride is no longer a motivator or a goal, and sadly, hasn't been for many, many years.
Quality is no longer job one, it's profits.
Ford is in more trouble than they realize.
Quality doesn't cost,it pays.
Yup exactly that. Hence why I always stick with a Japanese Brand. Their work ethic and attention to quality cannot be beaten by any American auto manufacturer..
If you want a high price, then offer a longer warranty. Stand behind your brand and quality by backing it up with a 6 year 120k bumper to bumper warranty.
Damn good point. 👍
More like 80 month warranty to match the loans
That will never happen.
They make you pay for that and the fine print along with it. But yes your right. Make it standard.
I once had a bumper to bumper warranty with Chevy , I soon discovered not all the parts were between the bumpers !
I just drove a Ford everest in Costa Rica and can't believe it's not sold in North America. It was awesome. Felt solid. Proper 4x4. Had a bi turbo v6 but I was impressed. And ARB has alot of after market support for it
As a loyal ford owner for most of my adult life I can 100% agree with you and your frustrations. I currently own 3 newer ford models . A 2020 F-450 , A 2022 FORD EXPEDITION PLATINUM, AND a 2021 Mustang Mach1 . Our truck and our expedition has been repeatedly in the shop for electrical issues . My wife uses the F-450 for hauling her gooseneck horse trailer . It had an electrical issue where she would be driving down the road and it would literally just die ! Talk about scary! It went to the dealer 3 times for this . The expedition has had multiple camera issues and has been at the dealer a total of a month to repair . Both these vehicles currently have around 10,000 miles on them . Sad when you spend all this money to purchase your dream cars and all you end up doing is driving to and from the dealer for recall after recall and issue after issue . And on a side note . I am a retired 40 year Automotive technician. The issue on our F-450 where it was cutting off I ended up diagnosing and telling them what was wrong . They were convinced it was the powertrain control module . But thanks to a few close friends that are still in the game and honestly a few great CZcams channels it was properly diagnosed as a bad fuse block ! After all these issues I can honestly tell you that we will never own another FORD product .
My friend tried to convince me to buy a newer Ranger over a Tacoma 2 years ago because it was “better” and I am so thankful I went with the Toyota.
I believe a company is responsible for their manufacturing engineering defects… they need to stand by 100% Ford automotive is in the company there once were in our engineering defective equipment.
Lead to another issue that the US government should have forced them to recall ! Our government is gone to hell 🇺🇸
I got a 2023 tacoma trd off road best truck ive ever had 😁
You can't beat Toyota for quality. Honda is great too but not for trucks. Toyota I think is the best company over all for reliability and cost to own.
I want one of their awd models with the v6 not turbo charged v4s. Too expensive today. May after I get my house
For ranger is expensive garbage. 😮
I’ll just stick with my 2019 manual trans Tacoma. 97,000 miles. Zero issues, not even a rattle.
get a bakbone...support the amer, full sizzed car company!!!!
Same - ‘12 manual trans ext cab Taco with 111,000 miles. Zero issues. Not even broken in yet.
@@scottbarker9058knock it off maybe America should build good vehicles
For Real Tacoma's are good Trucks, My Bro has a 4 Wheel Drive Tacoma with over 200,000 Miles no problems, at all it's a 2019 as well, we have driven that Bad Boy way up to Wyoming, Montana, Canada , and never a problem, plus it's been all over East Texas, Arkansas, and Louisiana, and we go way out on Fishing Camping Trips, all the time, Truck is totally reliable.
I thoroughly appreciate all the effort and information you put into your videos
The last couple minutes of this video is more profound than all the rest combined. Thx for sharing
I was a used car technician at an Acura dealership a few years ago, and nearly every Ford we got had some kind of issue that I had never experienced from such low mile vehicles. Plus working on them was never a good experience. Me and the other used car tech would play rock paper scissors on who would get the Ford. When we would get Toyotas or Hondas, I was surprised at how little they needed, even when you could tell they lived a hard life and had high miles. I quickly realized I never wanted to own a Ford and I would warn all my friend to stay away from them. I have a 2014 Tundra that I bought with 40k miles. It now has 145k and the only thing I've had to do besides regular maintenance was replacing the rear shocks because one gave out and replaced the cabin air fan which took 15 min to replace. I really hope Ford gets the quality issues figured out because I want to support American vehicles and Ford does make some badass looking vehicles, but I refuse to purchase a depreciating asset that it poorly made and can't be trusted.
And, they want insane money for their junk trucks. No way.
My experience is the opposite. I work on all of our family's vehicles and the biggest POS that is also the hardest to fix has been a very gently driven Toyota Highlander. Control arm bushings falling apart and requiring the motor lifted off all engine mounts to replace, sensors going bonkers, non-greasable 4WD driveshaft literally seizing and twisting off, brake calipers seizing, suspension breaking, radiator leaking, valve covers leaking, etc, etc, etc... all under 120k miles and with a great maintenance record.
Everything is a royal PITA to replace, because the Toyota eggheads obviously don't want you to work on it. My Ford trucks never needed nearly as much work as that thing did, at that low of a mileage.
CONCLUSION : Toyota is overrated AF! 👎
But here's the big but, there are so many more f150's than any other vehicle. Every state department, construction company, law enforcement, literally every one has a ford. You will see more issues because there are so many more out there
BS! @@SevenSixTwo2012
My 98 ranger has 378k miles, nothing but regular maintenance
I live in Montreal, Canada. When you drive on the streets, you see mostly Japanese vehicles, followed by German, Korean and finally American cars. Yesterday I saw a well maintained 40 year old Toyota Tercel moving just fine.
That’s because American cars rust out in 3 years!
Yep, not a truck but I have two Mercedes and a Camry all with around 80K miles and no issues.
That was because it is 40 years old, case closed‼️
Agreed. I'm on my third Ford in the last 12 years and the first two were amazing. I have a Bronco sport that I love but one of the electronic modules had to be replaced with within the first 30000 miles. I've seen other things posted similar on every trim level. I'm concerned that Ford quality is diminishing. I hope they get it together because I love their vehicles.
Excellent video, thank you for keeping it real. I was thinking about a F-150 but maybe NOT now.
Automakers and dealers made their bed during covid…and they can lay in it.
Yes they did! Not Ford though!
Found that out 34 years ago. Proud to say I haven't repeated the mistake.
Great content!! These prices on these vehicles are ridiculous for them to not be reliable!!
D really like your show. It is nice keep it up they’re just enjoyable to watch.❤
Great video! The last 3 minutes where you talk about your own Ford truck and the problems you’ve had really hits hard for so many of your dedicated followers. I guarantee someone at Ford is watching this. Question is, will they care??
I'm sure the engineers care, it's the bean counters and financial departments that shut things down. Gotta save that $1.37 per vehicle, can't let those profit margins drop.
Clowns 🤡🎪
My husband “was” a Ford guy and Ford dropped the ball with us with the problems F350 diesel 2003 Super Duty that we bought new in 2003. He was so proud of that truck driving it on job sites and the sound of the roar of the diesel engine until when the heads would keep blowing out and they wouldn’t honor the warranty back then. He still has the vehicle but he had to break the engine down to the block and rebuild it with the help of his dad who’s a mechanic and put in better parts. We gave them too many chances after that and now we had Ford buy back our 2017 Focus EV this week because of a faulty battery and they couldn’t replace it. It’s sad because we did love the brand but now we are looking else where.
oh good, ill skip to that.. he kept just repeating the same sentence over for the first 13 mins.
They wont care, this is on purpose. Why are there no mid sized trucks, anymore, the demand is there, but automakers are FORCING these large, overpriced POS' to us, on purpose. No reason there should be there are NO MID SIZED TRUCKS....period.
NO !
I have a 7.5L 460 big block Ford from 1994 sitting at about 105k miles. The thing still runs great, very reliable and runs no matter what. Only problem is the manifold bolts like to keep coming loose, so will be installing some headers soon. No issues otherwise, even started right up in -20 degrees one morning in a Wisconsin snow storm. Go back to building them like that.
1994 at 105k? Barely used.
You need to drive that thing more
We had a 7.3 crew cab 93 just turned 550,000 miles we sold it to a friend and believe me we kick ourselves everyday
Ford 460 is one of my favorites
My 2001 Ford King Ranch is my farm truck. I've pulled huge loads of lumber and dirt, hauled tons of tree debri to the dump, and pulled tree stumps out many, many times. I've even pulled my tractor out after I got it stuck in the mud to the axles. I love my Ford truck. I'm loyal to Ford but, if they're building junk, I'll go with a toyota or something else.
I purchased my first Ford vehicle (F150) before the prices skyrocketed. I absolutely LOVE this truck. For some reason, after several years of being very happy with the repair department, it totally "Went South" ! The repair quality & price for crappy repair was high. When they made very inconvenient mistakes that cost me to have to tow back to the dealer (1 hour after being serviced). They fixed their mistake and promised to pay for the towing cost, NEVER DID! So I changed dealer repair franchise, wasn't happy, planned a third dealership in my area but saw ratings and comments from furious customers. Since Ford has such PATHETIC repair personnel and management, I will NEVER risk purchasing another Ford product again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My dad's 88 ford ranger with a manual transmission was awesome, simple and reliable. I miss that truck
I can't believe these prices and people are on 6/7 year loan terms that's absolutely insane. 15 years ago it was 3/4 years
Like 40 year mortgage or $1000 a month for a bedroom.
My brother owned a 2019 F150 XLT he bought new and had a list of issues with it. The final nail in the coffin was the 10 speed transmission failing at 25k miles. He had taken a Ford tech on a test drive to show them the problem and the shift linkage on the truck actually came apart, leaving him and the ford tech stranded. Luckily he was near the dealership and the service manager sent all the techs out to push his truck back to the lot. He traded it in shortly after.
what a picture. a ton of technicians pushing a ford back to the dealership? lol.
My 2018 Mustang Ecoboost convertible with the 10 Speed had to have the trans replaced at 45k miles. I’ve had $10k in repairs in the 1.5 years I’ve owned it (covered by Carmax Maxcare thank god.) I’m going to get a Toyota RAV4 prime and get rid of this clunker.
The chevy 1500s are not much better if any. Brother inlaws trans went out on his 2019 at 38k and somthing eles too i cant remember radiator or water pump. My 2000 5.3 is getting cheaper now that the rear main leaks no oil change just add some here and there.😂
@@subaruamazon FORD= Fix...Or....Replace.....Daily! Of the 50 or so vehicles I have owned in my 63yrs of driving, MOST have been Fords. I too USED to LOVE Ford products, but not anymore. Ford's quality really seemed to go downhill after 2010. I may not EVER return to Ford!
@@AndyInTech bought an 01 mustang gt conv. been pretty good. auto. 101k miles. 4.6 good. tranny pretty good.
I haven't bought a FORD in 30 years and lived happily ever after😮
My dealership here in Orange County California(Ford Tuttle Click Irvine) still has $5000. to $10,000. mark ups.
69 years old. MY BIGGEST problem has always been crooked dealers that don't want to honor warranties. Now, Ford and other manufacturers can apply a lot of pressure to bad dealers, but they DON'T because they think they can always get new customers.
You cannot force the customer to purchase these vehicles. If the dealers want these vehicles gone, they must come back down to reality. Hence, "greed" must be taken out of the equation.
Nuff said.
💯facts
They need to reduce it by the price of a new engine and the price of a new transmission because that's what you going to need if you buy one of these vehicles Ford Chevy Dodge GMC 5 straight years of garbage with highly inflated prices
America is suffering because too many people live in fantasy
@@bearrichmond3698 Not a bad idea. Are you a Texan ?
@@Polemic-2525 East Coast
You guys have a great Thanksgiving. North Carolina, proud.
Tarheels!
I'll stick to my '66 Ford Galaxie 500 and '77 Lincoln Mark V.
Cheap parts, relatively easy to find, easy to repair and maintain, and I don't have much for electrical to be a worry.
A friend at work bought a raptor. He was pretty happy with it. A few months after the warranty ran out, so did the engine. He was not happy.
What's the cost of replacing one of those engines?
I think it cost him $9k. This was 4 years ago.
I got rid of my 2019 Raptor just before 36000 miles. Was flawless during that time. However, I did not want to keep it past the bumper to bumper warranty. Traded for a 2921 F150xlt and got money back. That one had a baring whine right from the start. After 6 months I sold it after lack of use. Smoothest riding truck by far but I don’t trust new vehicles anymore. Now I drive older cars that I can easily fix myself and cost nothing to insure.
I bought a 1979 Ford F150 new in 1979. $7800 (I was 17). The first week having it, a front spring broke. Then we found out that the rear rocker arms werent getting oiled due to lack of oil pressure. I have never owned a Ford since. Over the last 35 years, I have owned, a Nissan Stanza, Maxima and Infiniti M35 . I bought a Toyota Tundra in 2017 and it runs like a champ. I learned as a project manager that Toyota implemented the Total Quality Management system from Deming. Speaks volumes
lol my Toyota engine blew, my Nissan trans went out at 35,000 miles. My Ford truck still going strong (300,000)
@@chipcook6646 That Ford truck would be going straight to the scrap yard if it had the Triton 5.4L 3-valve motor. TOTAL GARBAGE!!
@@TheOzthewiz all major manufacturers make bad engines. Mine is a German built 4.0 very well built motor. Just does not give the mileage. Government has been putting pressure on them to make these motors. Why three cylinder? Because China tax 4 bangers. Lot of politics involve.
@@TheOzthewiz But what you want. Dodge and Jeep are worse maybe the Yugo.
Agree 100% and very well done my friend. I will never buy a ford pos again.
I just traded my 2018 F-450 King Ranch custom build from ford for a 2024 Tundra. I had 27, 717 actual miles due to the following issues. Like you, it was my dream truck. Most of these issues were after the warranty expired and the list is not in order of failure or issue.
* Transmission failure and replaced at 727 miles/3 weeks old, yes 727 miles
*Power steering pump whining
*Starter bolts sheared
*Starter replaced due to failure of hardware
*Windshield washer reservoir failure
*Right rear door handle switch failure (always showed as open on dash)
*Steering wheel control module failure
*Windshield washer motor failure (3 years after resev)
*Steering wheel clock spring failure
*Dash tailgate open switch intermittently (2 ford dealers could not fix this)
*Rubber chunks coming off front tires (@ 14,000 miles)
*One of the 2 batteries failure within 10 months
*Heavy rust from front crossmember frame (chunks) front motormount frame
*Smell of burnt clutch after normal driving (within the last year
*Charge air hose rupture
*Rear main seal leak
*Hood struts failed (replaced)
*Blind spot detection system failure(this past Christmas Day, this is when I decided I've had enough)
*Cross traffic warning system failure (Christmas Day)
* Roof trim at the back window coming off
Remember, this was a custom (built to show status) 2018 F-450 King Ranch with 27,717 miles
The UAW is more interested in their big benefits grab than building a quality vehicle. I to am finished with Ford and any other "American made" vehicle for ever.
Brandon, what you said is correct about consumer confidence in Ford. The dealerships are complicit in the downfall and lack of confidence in the Ford product. They are notorious for not wanting to perform warranty work and will mislead the customer until the issue is out of warranty and thus the owner must now come out of pocket to repair. Certainly the “market adjustments” are simply a greedy grab for money. Where’s the clear markdowns now for “market adjustments” in a downturned economy. These dealers are one way, not your friend, and predatory!
I was a Ford guy. My 2019 Escape got totaled with hail damage. It had 54000 miles. I got out of it before the Ecoboost engine started to fail after 60000 miles like I've been reading about. I am now the owner of a 2023 Toyota Tacoma. Oh yea those Ford commercials were they say they're all in on America BS.
Good review, I too have been thinking of another brand to replace my 2020 F150
Subscribing cause the man reminds me of my obsessive brother-in-law … and he knows his stuff
Was a Ford loyalist for over 30 years. I was in the market for an Explorer ST after replacing an engine in my 86k mile Echo Boost. Two dealerships had market adjustments and the one that didn't had 3 ST's they couldn't sell me because they were waiting for recall parts to arrive. Business went to another manufacturer.
Was your engine covered under warranty?
@@tylerjoseph7378 no it wasn’t. I didn’t have two of the receipts for the maintenance done in the 5 years I owned it. So they hung their hat on that and said not under warranty. I was fine with it as I was in the market for a new car anyway and was gonna stick with Ford.
I had a 2020 explorer ST. Traded in after 1.5 years. Super hard shifts like transmission was going to blow. Yes its under warranty but I don't want to be stuck months without a loaner (some dealers dont give) waiting for parts and repairs.
@@Vash610 yeah after my ecoboost let go I was still willing to get another one. Glad it didn’t work out because I’m happy with the new purchase.
Ford's quality went downhill fast after they sold off their stake with Mazda. Without Japanese support or advise, you have no reliability or quality control.
My father had Dodge trucks with a stick shift. They had 400,000 on a 318 cu engine. Still running great.
Great content and I appreciate your honesty. I also currently own a Ford F150, and I have to agree with you that quality is an issue. Drive train issues, speed sensor issues, and throttle body issues, just to name a few. As a long-time consumer of Ford trucks, I am yearning for a serious turnaround with the Ford brand. Like others, I am beyond fed up with the costly repairs and warning signs on the dashboard.
I bought a 2017 Mustang GT new in 2017, I eventually traded it in on a Toyota truck because of recurring rust problems on the doors, hood panel corrosion, loss of paint adhesion and rust on the trunk lid, a hi-way speed drive line vibration my dealer could never fix, cold engine piston knock and more, it's a shame because I otherwise really liked the car.
I had a 2017 F150...what you said about yours is exactly what mine did. It was my first Ford, and it will be my last: I traded that sucker and didn't look back.
What engine on that 2017?
NOT to minimize, the 2017 - 2020 3.5 had cam phaser issues at around 120K and up... all other years 3.5 lasts forever without issues, and ALL 2.7's and 5.0's last forever as well...
I stopped buying American cars a looong time ago due to quality control. Toyota has been my mainstay since. Im praying our car industry does better! Im rooting for them.
Can’t go wrong with Toyota
Or Honda
I’ve done the same. I used to own Ford products. Mercury Cougar, Ford Taurus and my last one was a 2010 Ford Escape that my daughter still drives. Once I heard of all the ecobomb engines having problems I never looked back. Bought my first Mazda CX9 and it has been outstanding. Not a single issue. Ford better get their act together before Americans decide to walk away for good.
Yup, same problem would happen at Toyota and Honda if the UAW got into them.
I hope Toyota comes out with a 3/4 ton.
Was a ford guy for 20 years. Never into the pickups, just always enjoyed their sedans. After Ford dropped all sedans except for the Mustang and with all these recent quality issues, I bought my first Volvo this year and couldn't be happier. Goodbye Ford.
My father drove a Ford. My grandfather drove a Ford. I grew up in a Ford. Today and for many years, Toyota is the most reliable truck on the market.
Can confirm. I have a handful of issues with my 2021 raptor and it’s like trying to figure out nuclear launch codes to get dealers to fix them. Some problems are even documented issues. I’m on my 5th visit for shock clunk and 6th for a trouble code. I’m about ready to get rid of it
TRX?
i cant believe you even still have it.
@@junkyarddawgs9956 10mpg premium only is rough. Even my raptor on 37s gets 16-17 on regular.
@@SLHJR0390 it’s in the shop today again. This is my last attempt before I push buyback
3 visits for the same issue makes it a lemon. Call an attorney.
Thanks Brandon. Over 2000 comments so far. This episode really generated a lot of interest and many horror stories. I had 86 and 94 Rangers, both good trucks. I had 2004, 2013 and 2018 F-150s, all FX4s and V8s. Never had a major problem but none were high mileage vehicles. Traded the 18 for a 23 Titan Pro 4X with the old school V8. The F-150s are way too expensive now. After hearing the horror stories about almost all brands, I'm going to out go out and pray over the Titan. Before I downsized from a 5th wheel to a travel trailer I had several Ram 2500s but I kept trading every couple of years or so before they had the dreaded emissions problems. Now all diesels have DEF and supposedly emissions systems are less of a problem. But there's no real need for a HD diesel unless you're towing heavy.
My 2017 F150 XLT FX4 with a Boss plow has been great. Just turned over 100K. Just replaced the first part other than brakes and tires, a right front wheel bearing. I have not heard good thing about the new ones though.
Was thinking of replacing 2011 F150 ecoboost xlt 4x4 but the newer ones are way too complicated and computerized so I will drive it until a major breakdown and perhaps just repair it. Replaced the battery and throttle body once and that is all! Just maintenance. Great truck.
You should replace it with the Toyota Tundra with the 5.7L I-Force V8 in it.
I'd comment more, but it's pretty much exactly what you said. Been a ford owner since 1977, most recent is a 2017 that is great.. Not because of loyalty, but because they produced what I wanted and generally didn't fail me. Unlikely that my next purchase will be a ford.
Most of the sales declines are because of price less so about the quality. However, quality is a problem and is a problem for multiple manufacturers. There are no entry-level prices for actual consumers. The dealers/manufacturers are trying to sell to a limited rich clientele.
Yes people look over the quality a bit… it’s the interest rates… a60k truck at 0.9-2.9% they are only charging you 1200-3500 in interest over the whole loan, now that same amount at 8%+ they care charging you 12-15,000 .. the payments 3-400 more a month… people can’t afford this no more… food had tripled in 4 short years, that comes first once all the household bills are paid- there’s nothing left for a 1200 truck payment
@@toddprater14Honestly, I'll probably never know what it's like to own a new car. Just when I felt like I could see the light at the end of the tunnel and things were finally taking a turn in my favor, all my years of working the same job was finally paying off, this happens. I'm now watching every bit of progress I made slowly slip away, week after week. I've done everything I can to stop it, there's nothing. It's a dream, and that's all it ever will be.
@@jimdandy8119 true , that’s why you live below your means , your not missing anything special about a new car/ truck yeah it has 6 miles on it, but they are crap now.. go find a loaded up older vehicle with low mileage and it will be a 1/4 the cost of a new one
@@toddprater14 Way ahead of you. I have 3, all paid for and running, and I know how to work on them myself.
It's really just me seeing something I know everyone in my family going back to my great grandparents got to experience that I never will. I'm not real tore up about it or anything, just find it a bit sad that's all.
@@jimdandy8119it will definitely be getting better soon! Don’t give up yet.
Great video as always, that's why I own a Toyota Tundra with 280,000 and no issues.
How old is the Tundra, because Fords of the same vintage will run just as long. It's the newer stuff that is junk. My 2003 GMC has 250k miles and runs like top. I wouldn't touch a new one.
I just watched a guy's channel his brand new Ford maverick, transmission broke, he fought for months and finally was taken care of what I took away was don't buy ford products ever 😅😂
Let's hope they read some of these comments. I'm pulling for them too, they need to address the quality and make a reliable vehicle.
The best way to get back at them for the markups is to save the amount they would've charged when you looked last and use that for non-dealer repairs on your existing vehicle. Make that your "extended warranty" and wait until after you've spent that on repairs before considering even a used vehicle again.
Exactly my strategy. I do most of my own repairs so I will be getting back at them for a long long time! BTW, I drive Chevys
Quality is an issue for ALL the big companies
Yes but buying a Ford vehicle is like buying a Nike shoes. You're buying garbage at an upcharge because of the brand. Nearly every Ford vehicle that has been rolled of the line since 2012 has had engine or major transmission issues. The materials on the interiors are cheap plastics. It's just bad.
Mazda has a good reputation
@Nimoodles
GM and Ram have joined the chat. All three big OEM's have problems with their active fuel management systems for the engines. Cheap plastics? All new vehicles have plastic interior as its lighter than metal. Are you constantly caressing your dashboard while driving down the road? Lol
Lexus, Toyota, Mazda, and Honda would all like to differ.
and Honda!@@PolishGator
Aside of the quality issues (though my 2009 5.4L Lariat that I bought used has been excellent), the astronomical prices of the current trucks and cars have priced me out of the market altogether. I'm near retiring, and apparently I'm going to be riding the bus in retirement!
Hear me out. I wonder if this is by design to (largely form government interference) to disincentivize vehicle ownership altogether. We all hope there will be a market correction and there may be one, however, what if the prices stay where they are. No one can afford these insane prices that have meager financial means. US government in league with the UN want to push 15 min cities, meaning public transport. They (government) ultimately don't want commoners to own vehicles or really anything for that matter. Just a thought.
1st hand knowledge here. Ford just gave me a turn in date (dec 2) for my 2023 Ranger buy back "repurchase" Problems: 800 miles-oil leak, oil filter not properly installed at factory. 4k miles- brake pedal goes to floor. 6k miles- differential blew up dealer had it for 5 weeks rebuilding it. 6k miles steering gear failing needs rebuilt/replaced. Also transmission has slammed into gear 2x (not taken back to dealer as buy back was in the works).
8k miles- entertainment system has failed, screen black, truck can't communicate with app. App can't find truck.
Really sad, had a 2020 Ranger 100k miles no issues unit the crappy 10 speed trans blew up. I should have kept it.
The 3.5L EcoBoost timing chain and cam phaser issues were the last straw with me when it comes to Ford.
me too. I had a 2013 mine hit at 77k. they wanted almost 8k to fix everything.
Pfft. Got both beat. 17 SC 3.5 lariat lost engine at 65k.
Ford replaced the cam phaser 3 times for free on wife’s 2013 Ford escape starting at less than one month from purchase. So we got a lemon too. Under the hood was 90% plastic.
I had an 08 Expedition that had cam phaser issues at 110k. So ok, I bought a 17 expedition. Phaser rattle at 75k. Both trucks were meticulously maintained. Needless to say, both are gone and my new truck is not a domestic brand. I will never buy another Ford.
@tcluke1971 That's really what really gets me, two different engine families (5.4L Triton 3V assuming for the '08 and 3.5L EB for the '17) that have the exact same problem!
I have a 2019 F250 that’s had about 6 recalls mostly for minor issues! The last recall was for the steering damper which I believe was a safety issue that took years for ford to address. If Toyota built a heavy duty truck I would not own a ford, gm, or ram truck.
Nearly Every vehicles has recalls
Have you actually had any ISSUES tho?
Have a Co-Worker who had 17!! recalls on his Ford Truck in 2 years. I am a solid DO NOT BUY on any Ford product for all time.
You are right. My brother in law just got rid of his explorer. Transmissioned failed twice in two different explorers. I was looking at a 2024 then saw reviews about panles falling apart bad design.
I can sadly relate . My 2018 Ford escape is a candidate for engine coolant intrusion issues ( costing $10,000 to repair ) around the 60,000 + mile mark . Not a confidence building feeling :(
That’s terrifying. I owned a 2018 Ford Escape, I traded it in after it went in for warranty repairs five times in one year. Reading your story makes me think I dodged a serious bullet.
Same, my 2018 escape blew the engine at 91,000 miles for the coolant issue
Luckily, my brother can turn a wrench and he was able to switch out my engine to a brand new one I purchased directly from Ford . I can imagine you’re probably the same as me and this will be my last Ford I ever get
New engine is eating oil and it’s not really helping the fact either. I got to get on Ford’s case on that.
Escape and small SUVs and cars are crap by Ford Lincoln
My 2017 Ford Edge is having same issue .. its a known Ford problem and they doing nothing to help us .. They asking $8000.00 for new engine and i just paid off the vehicle… its a shame i love Ford , its my 7th Ford vehicle but no more
Told my x to get the escape with the naturally aspirated 4 cylinder to avoid issues with the complex ecoboosts.
Bought new 2008 Nissan Frontier crew cab in late 2007, 4.0 liter V6 with automatic trans. I now have 173,000 miles on it with no repairs other than a crankshaft position sensor replaced last year (2022). Engine doesn't smoke, transmission shifts great, a/c is ice cold. Still has original alternator, water pump and A/C compressor! All I have done are brake jobs and tune ups with coil replacements that's it. Power windows, power seat, everything works great, I think I got my money's worth. When I'm ready probably trade it in on another Frontier. My friend bought a new F150 in 2004, 2 years later with just over 40,000 miles, broke 2 spark plugs off in the heads while doing a tune up because of some new Ford bad spark plug design. Ford has been building s*&t for over 2 decades.
In 2019 I bought a brand new f250 6.2 v8 6 speed tran 2 door cab 4wd for less than 35000 with tax. Love this truck.
Zero issues
My wife and I bought a brand new F150 XLT FX4 V8 on Christmas Eve 2018. The MSRP was around $41,000 with markups to $44,000. Told the dealership I wasn’t going to pay the markup fees. They took them off and we got the truck for a little under $38,000. Recently looked at a similar model and they were asking almost $68,000 for it!!! Unbelievable!!!
My next door neighbors son. Just brought a FORD lighting. EV . It’s a beautiful looking truck. He was towing his boat last week… and his back axle came OFF !! True story!!! I couldn’t believe it
@@harveyhankerson8359do electric trucks even have axles? Thought the motors are connected to the wheels.
@@shortyorc121 it’s call an UTTER axle. I think. Something ford made up. !! But yes they do..
Once you go Toyota you can never go back . Former long time ford owner
Toyotas are overpriced but at least they last forever. I've never owned one but I've always had reliable Japanese cars, and in 30 years of driving I've never had any major mechanical issues. When I do have issues, they are usually pretty affordable to fix.
Same here. Purchased a 2017 F-150 new and around 72,000 miles had to put $5k+ worth of engine repairs in on top of a few recalls over the years. Have been dealing with minor varying electrical issues almost since day 1. Outright sold my wife's 2020 Explorer as it spent more time in the shop than in the driveway. We were so done with it that we actually went a few months without a 2nd vehicle until she could decide what to get next. She's since moved away from Ford and I've jumped ship and ordered a non-ford truck as my next vehicle.
I’ll never buy a GMC again. We’ve had $13,000+ of repairs in known problems for our stupid truck. First the fuel system had to be replaced because they put in crappy pumps and then a def sensor had to be replaced. Luckily, the last one was a recall that but was unknown by all dealerships we called. Finally, one looked further into it and fixed it for us.
Add Ford to the list I’ll never buy from. Honestly, if it wasn’t for our RV, I’d love to never have a truck again.
I’m having a similar experience with Jeep. This one is probably my last. Dad drove Jeep. Grand paw drove Jeep. Just too many trips back to the dealership. Even under warranty, it’s just a hassle getting a rental, and not driving the car I paid for.
Well done UAW!
I can totally speak to this... Purchased a 22 F150 from Ford dealer here in Charlotte NC back in May of 23... So far it has spent a full month in the shop total... Both turbos have been replaced... All 4 calipers, caliper brackets, rotors and pads... and I just dropped it off about 2 hours ago because an upper control arm mount is cracked all the way through. Oh and the truck only has 28k on it.
All these dealers are making overengineered junk with the insurance companies and govt ramping it up. Tech bulletins and recalls galore.
I was a Ford guy for the longest time. But reliability is my main thing. So the first new truck I ever bought new, was a ToyotaTacoma, over 130,000 no issues at all, other then new pads and rotors. Rear brakes.
I still have my 2013 FORD F150. I brought it. Brand new. It now has 4 hundred thousand miles on it… with no issues. !!!
You're the exception. Not the norm
@@vegasstang1 Maybe, but people who do their own maintenance tend to have vehicles last longer. I easily get that amount of mileage out of any of the various vehicles I've owned.
Bought my 99 4wd Tacoma new and I will never buy an American truck, period. These are real trucks.
@@joemoore4027the Toyota Tacoma is basically an American truck since they’re ALL made in America. Toyota obviously makes these trucks for America since Japan doesn’t have the space for it
I had a Ford Bronco built for my wife. Then it showed up at dealer ready for pick up and I woke up. Told them they can have it. So glad I did.
The last A+ Fords were the 1979 model year which had all high quality components. With the 1980 model year they started using cheap metric bolts for the body, the sheet metal became much lighter. But the drivetrain was still the same. That changed throughout the 90's and early 2000's , the engines and transmissions were all redesigned with cheap metric parts that could be sourced from anywhere to bring costs down. We have a 1995, 1997 and 2004 E350 with similar mileage. The '04 has the metric diesel engine and it's been in the shop more than on the road.
Been this way with Ford and GM for decades. I worked as a mechanic, so I saw it firsthand. I switched to Toyota years ago.
Perfect example: I had 2 cars, a ford fusion and a toyota Rav4. Fusion has a plastic valve cover, rav4 metal valve cover. Plastic is cheaper, metal is more expensive. Guess which one I had recurring problems with oil leaks from the valve cover gasket? Plastic valve covers will warp from the heat. Ford will screw their customers to increase their bottom line by a few bucks.
And Farley is now hiring a new quality team? What happened to the old quality team? Why only now is quality becoming a priority? I think this speaks volumes about the priorities and motivations of management at Ford.
One of the reasons for Ford’s demise will surely be its sub-par and expensive service. For the same issue in my car, the dealership gave me a quote of $1300, whereas a certified family own service shop asked for $600.
As an exploited Ford owner, I would be ecstatic to see Ford suffer.
This is all dealerships. Thats why they are called stealerships
Richboy do you really think that you are saying something new? Son you must be young or very inexperienced!!! 😂😂😂
The MSRP on these trucks is crazy based on the trim package you select during COVID-19 we seen Ford make claims they would address dealerships marking up prices on its consumer which only expose they never did anything this is the new normal sadly.
Great video, everything has slacked in quality, In the 50 years we lived at our house we bought 2 clothes washers( starting with the letter M) absolute perfection, when we bought Our 3rd, the owner who we have known for years said," I have to be honest with you, these washers aren't built like they used to be." I respect that man for being so honest.
How about "modern" refrigerators....use to last 15 years....now all these $1,000 refrigerators have major failures in about 5 -7 years!
Until 3 months ago I had to deal with them daily. The poor quality is just unbelievable.
To lose trust from costomers it’s hard to regain trust again especially car business
So true..