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Moots Routt RSL Long-Term Review - N=1?
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- čas přidán 21. 11. 2017
- For the last 8 months, Reuben Bakker-Dyos has been running his long-term Moots Routt RSL through every type of terrain he can feasibly ride on from the high gravel roads of Italy to the smooth tarmac of Mallorca.
Can one bike really be 'do-it-all'?
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Love this bike. Life is short. I bought one.
One year later, do you regret your decision?
Some below seem surprised at the price. C'mon guys. This is a custom frame from one of the most famous and desirable US makers. This bike was literally displayed at NAHBS. This bike was built with the most expensive everything. Of course the price is stratospheric, this is rarefied dream bike stuff.
Its not a custom frame. I know its titanium and the stuff is a apin in the ass to work with (ive done it), but the price is a joke. I have a Propain Spindrift, a 180 mm full suspension freeride bike. Its a really sick looking alloy frame and it is 100% handmade in germany. The frameset is 1200€ . This bike has just round tubing (no hydroforming), no full suspension and no intricate welds that connect 3 or 4 tubes, but it costs over three times as much.
Comparing a direct-sales, made in Taiwan, alloy frame to Moots? Please. Setting aside the price any brand will charge for custom anodization, media blasting, the best welds in the industry and US production, the Moots brand is very exclusive and commands a premium. I suspect you're European, perhaps you don't understand the brand equity of Moots in the US. Again, Moots is likely the most famous, most desirable US-made Ti maker there is. For better or worse, Moots charges what they do because they can. If you don't like it, go get a Litespeed. Moots' waiting list is not going to suffer. You pay more for Colnagos, same thing here. Moots is like any luxury good, you're paying because it's a Moots.
I dont want to get agressive here, but have to ask you if you are able to read. As is said, the bikes are all handbuild in Vogt near Ravensburg in Germany, so they are not some cheap taiwanese import. When you buy a frameset there are 3 colours and 5 decals to choose from, and if you want to spend a few extra bucks you get every RAL colour possible (thats 10.000 colours) as a decal and frame colour option. I said that it is more expensive because its titanium, but that is basically everything that makes this bike expensive. Its all because of the brand, and that they can get away with it is a joke.
You're KILLING me here, lol. Sorry about missing the "made in Germany" thing. Not sure the ad hominem on your part was warranted. Propain makes great bikes (not sold here in the US, BTW), but that's NOT THE POINT. Custom paint is not the point. The fact that the Moots is Ti and Ti is difficult to work with is not the point. The point is conspicuous consumption. You're just going to have to take it on my word that Moots is highly coveted in the US. Rich bike nerds here pay huge premiums for US-made Ti like Moots, Firefly, Eriksen etc without any real logic. Moots is not "getting away" with anything, they are charging what many people are willing to pay. Arguably, the price is the point. I'm not defending this, I'm just explaining it.
Soooooo, I could buy this bike or for the same money a nearly new hatchback car with infinitely more technology, engineering and materials in it, or I could re-roof my house, buy several tonnes of used cast iron heavy-duty machining (or woodworking) equipment (enough to equip a reasonable workshop), pay an average mortgage for a long time.......I could go on. I love bikes but they are not packed with cutting edge technology (they aren't, there's no argument) nor are they highly stressed feats of engineering - this is way, way over-priced. A fool and his money etc etc.
Great review! Nice to see someone pushing all of the limits and finding the iconic Moots frame so capable. Ti rides very nice, but Moots just takes the quality of the fit and finish to a whole new level.
It was all going so well up until you mentioned the price! Would be good to find an alternative costing a third of the price and review it.
Oliver Higbee just look for something from a Chinese maker. But you won't know how deadly the welds are until you're dead.
yea, even the "low cost" specs are $9,000... I'd need to be able to sell my car to buy this. That said it does seem inline for what it is. Handmade custom Ti frame with R8000 hydro groupset, and lots of chris king bits, so i can't really say they are asking way to much for it.
I don't think it's overpriced for what it is either. But I do think most the viewers can't afford a bike in this price range.
There are lower cost options from other brands but not in Titanium really and building this RSL with Force 1x or even Rival 1x would bring that cost down substantially. Then there are also similar bikes like the Ibis Hakka MX, Open U.P., 3T Exploro.
I was looking at consolidating all my bikes with a Moots, but with my kids entering college, just couldn't stomach the investment. I have ridden this Routt RSL, since one of my Saturday club riders had one. Incredible feel. However, he recommended (and I just orderd) the Lynskey PRO GR for less than half the price.
solid review
i just bought mine and i fucking love it......i'm over my s works and series 9 rsl bikes .....moots hands down
not just hype .
keep up this reviews
I bought this bike in 2019 and love it. Ride it on gravel and the road. I’ve dumped my carbon road bike; while the moots is a little heavier it just rides so nice it’s all I want to ride. I won an entry into dirty kanza (unbound) last year and finished the 200 mile course on it. It’s just flawless and a dream to own.
Mock the last year version praised this one. Next year mock this one and praised the new one. Over and over and over again.
Excellent review; very thorough.
‘ if $12,000 is a bit over your price range ‘ 😂
For that crazy money you could do 2-3 sweet-spot carbon or steel Ultegra spec'd machines. Or perhaps a Yamaha FJ-09 with accessories and out the door.
Great review. I was just Googling for a UK distro to look at options when you dropped the price!
More like N = 1 of your kidney
But its worth it. Its sick yooo.
I dont know how you ride a no suspension bike on cobbles! I would get the Lauf suspension.
Ride your bike to keep all your organs intact 😇🚵🏼
Elemenrary. What else?
To wet to ride this weekend, come down to the Manchester velodrome to watch some paracycling and the best thing it's free
One does not simply replace n+1 with n=1
One bike, 4 sets of wheels ....
Would rather buy a few different bikes at that price
What fun it must be to adventure on such a dream machine! My main machine here in Alaska is a Moots Frosthammer, configured with 26”x5” winter, or 27.5”x3” tires and a Lauf Carbonara fork. Too bad another dream bike is way beyond my budget.
Thanks for the comment, and it's interesting to hear about your setup in Alaska. BikeRadar.
Those green touches are fucking delightful!
Love Moots and lust for one bit north of $12k? N+4 sounds more cost effective when you ha e to also add 3-4 wheel sets in there like this guy did. Too ridiculously expensive
What size was it? How tall are you? Looks like you have a fair amount of drop...
Still n+1. When the conditions are more technical, an XC bike can be significantly faster. Moots Baxter 29 would be nice to have too. But if you’re trying to convince yourself to spend the money, then by all means disregard what I said tell your self whatever it takes to keep that sweet bike!
i believe if you can afford it, yes N+1 is OK
Great video & lovely bike.Which did you find the best wheel tyre combo for covering all terrain? ie road & off road...
currently I own a carbon cx bike and a Specialized Allez Sprint DSW with 55mm carbon clincher, ceramic bearings and all the bling parts. Both together still costs less but I realy like the idea of one bike for everything
12k doesnt make sense. You could have 3 awesome bikes for that same price...
You can also buy an $1,800.00 gravel bike with similar geometry and weighs the same--and have enough cash left over to retire and ride that bike and not have to eat cat food. Keeping it real.
What tyres does he have on the 3T 650b wheels???
Can I get this on a cycle to work scheme?
Always liked Moots bikes, but I just cannot justify the price. Can it be a one buy for everything? Sure. But only if I was making 100k a year, which I don't.
I think a comparable option would be a CAAD 10 or a CAAD 12 if you stick to roads, or a Kona Jake for cyclo/adventure riding. Cheaper prices, and the extra money can be spent on power meter, computer, etc and you have a bike that will last you a few years.
That said, if you HAVE the money, is a Moots worth it?
I don't know about you, but I'd have to be making a hell of a lot more than 100k to consider this bike. Try at least triple that.
Yup. $100k after taxes is $70Kish. You going to spend nearly 20% of your income on a bike?
If you were making 100k per year, you'd be taxed more, not buying more expensive bikes. I like your thoughts about a CAAD bike though...
Ha, of course I would be taxed more. But how many people buy brand new cars on a 20k salary? Or a 30k salary?
I'd be much more willing to spend 10k on a bicycle if I was making 100k pretax, which may be around 60-70k after taxes, which is about 20% of my salary. Doable, maybe not completely smart, but doable.
10% would be easier, and 6K gets a LOT of bike.
How could u possibly think a 30 outback is a sane choice. 36 works.
I don't know many cyclists that want just 1 bike though.
Yea. That just won’t happen.
Those hubs. Those. F**king. Hubs. *drooling*
also 4:58 niiiiice speed through those corners man
12k?! gtfo
Great review.
if you are dying for bigger gear why not put a bigger cassette something like 11-34
dura ace limit is 11-30
lower end road groupsets can do 32 and 34.
But for a gravel bike like that a sub compact 46-30 would have been a good base spec
@@Goriaas I'll never understand why with Shimano you get less features/more limits with their higher specced groupsets. Why not give an additional option for a derailleur that can shift a 34?
great review! what size is the frame??my future bike
An uber-specced gravel bike, or two well-specced bikes (road and mountain)?
Not sure n=1 applies to super bikes, though
I feel like bikes will get closer and closer to being able to do it all. Only the same price single discipline bike will be better
hahaha.. this is like 18000 in Canada without taxes... hahahaha
a trek emonda alr disc can be had for 1/10th the cost
You mentioned all of the wheelsets, but can you break down the tire sizes you had on each?
Excuse me,what size frame do you use?
Nearly fell in the toilet with the price!!! Wow
Now we know where you watch BikeRadar videos. Not sure whether to be amused or a bit grossed out?
Think I would rather have 4 decent bikes covering 4 different types of riding for the same amount, as a Moot bike + 4x $1500 wheelsets (plus tyres/tubes/discs/cassette) isn't really one bike! Looks nice though, so probably not a suitable home for a Tiagra 4700 groupset!
How much clearance do you have with the 650bx42s in the back? I'm curious if it just a couple millimeters or if it is enough for a muddy ride.
Everyone is reviewing this with a n+-=1 approach. 🤔 And pretty good shifters on a $12k bike?
Great vid why the knee warmers as I might get?
very nice bike!! can i ask the Size Frame and your Height? thank you. David
How would you compare high speed road descents on this compared to a "twitchy" race bike such as a Cannondale SuperSix Evo? I like the N=1 idea but I also like that downhill feel on the road that the race geometry gives me.
Alex R this would likely be the GS ski to your slalom ski. More stable at speed and likely more comfortable at speed. Don’t know if it would be faster.
2:50 your buddy has a nice bike too
Wondering what made is it?
I’m enjoying the bike so far czcams.com/users/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA My only real complaints are the brakes and the pedals. I feel like a bike designed for bigger people should have much larger pedals and more heavy duty brakes. I’ve only gotten two really good rides out of it, minimal downhill action, and the brakes feel like they’re already going out. A larger person has more momentum, so I think this wasn’t thought through very well. Also, I wear size 13-14 wide shoes. My feet cramp up on these pedals that are clearly made for smaller feet. Since I’m not a pro rider (and I don’t think many are who purchase this bike) I don’t think that the straps on the pedal are necessary at all. None of this takes away from the enjoyment I get from riding, however. I’ll just head to a bike shop to improve on a few things.
The price is plain stupid. You can get a titanium gravel bike for around 2000 pounds...
Martin Blass where?
Look up these two makers Sage and Foundry ;) killer Ti bikes at almost half the pricing as you're seeing here.
n=1--always cool. I liked Moots--before I saw this video. Even if I had money to burn, I would not buy a bike like that out of principle. Good for them if they can sell bikes at that price.
Even if you were a billionaire?
Correctly made titanium with high quality materials can last a lifetime. There's a lot of Chinese made titanium out there these days.
Coming to a dentist near you
Not sure I'd say titanium lasts forever. Had a Litespeed years ago that cracked... twice. And I know I'm not the only one. Have also seen a cracked Dean MTB (years ago). Never seen a Moots cracked, though. Usually they're hanging in shops as boutique eye candy; pretty rare in the wild.
+thechosendude
I'll assume it cracked on a weld.
If I recall correctly, titanium is kind of a nightmare to work with and should be done under clean equipment and specialized atmosphere. Otherwise the weld would absorb rust and impurities within the transitions very easily that critically weaken the structure, which is indeed common for amateur work on Ti.
Which is another way of saying... titanium frames varies greatly in strenght.
Correct, and the right temperature of welding is also needed. If the welds are made under temperature that is too high, it will damage the surround of the weld, causing it to crack later on. Litespeed has had some bad productions a couple of years ago, but are still reputable amongst framebuilders for Ti builds
Welds will crack. Buy a trusted brand. Not generic Chinese. But most good brands will back up their product. Who owns Litespeed since Lynksey sold it?
This was 2002ish...so right after American Bicycle Group formed. My titanium frame was made in America. Litespeed did unveil some aluminum frames around then...those were made in Taiwan. I had an aluminum Tomac Taos MTB also made by ABG then; can't remember if it was made it Taiwan or USA...I have it somewhere.
Nice bike, but the price.. I ride a Genesis Croix de Fer Frameset with a carbon fork, Hunt Wheels, Ultegra, Stages Powermeter and 40mm Schwalbe G-One. Also I'm using a Wolftooth Roadlink which let's you use even a 11-40 cassette. That come's out at around 2500 Euros.. It's of course heavier than a titanium frame but..
Henry Chan the reason yours is cheeper is a cheeper frame, group set, wheels... you see where this is going. What is your point?
John Rodgers I get four bikes for the same price. There's no reason for this bike. You can buy a Canyon Aerorad plus a Kinesis Tripster ATR and you're still cheaper. Plus his recommendation for 3 wheelsets add another few thousand dollars.
Is this frame design a play on a standard Moots model?
so it's even more expensive than the 3T Exploro LTD, weighs 500 g more, has worse tire clearance and is less aero...
It's not a fat bike though. N+1 lives on.
You can get a J Laverack Jack with Dura Ace di2 for £7000! Why spend over 9k???!!!
I mean technically we only need one kidney....
It is a great era to be rich.
honestly anything over 1000$ is over my price point
welp
not worth 12k. I would just get the same build in steel
That would save what, $7,500 or so?
Any body know how much a Titanium tube costs per Kilogram ? I checked the price it s around 40-50$/kilograms in USA, I understand all the efforts that goes in to making the bike, but still it’s damn expensive. Same is true for AL bikes.
You were commuting on a $12k bike?
Wow 13-14 kilos. Not wanna mock you, but having a cheap ass full suspension(400€) with about 18 kilos is where i start to complain
9,000 dollars for that bike that feel like running the bike with only the seat post without the saddle oooouuuuhhhhhh
the sad thing is just small change for the typical buyer of that bike. They will park it next to their $10,000 cervelo, next to their Porsche, next to their Benz.
thanks for giving some lower priced alternatives....
Is Reuben related to Josh B-D?
I am!
what's the name of the bell?? thank's!!
Google Spurcycle bell
can anyone tell me what saddle he's using?
Specialized Power Pro
Everyone bitching about price think about this: My Dad has a Kent Eriksen (founder of Moots) custom titanium bike. It's at least ten years old and has over 25k miles on it. And when he can't ride it anymore, I will. It was $5k, and he could probably sell it for that today although he never would. Seems worth it.
You think your dad would get $5k for a 10 yo bike?. Lmao. You have no clue how bikes depreciate. Worse than cars. It’s an enthusiast sport.
@@boutsoderma5845 $5k is probably a stretch, but considering a Moots Ti bike frame starts over $3800 and this one was built by their founder, he could probably find someone willing to pay $3k for it if he was patient. You have to be an enthusiast to justify it, but I'm just saying if you are then a titanium bike is not a terrible value. Definitely depreciates less than carbon.
Seriously??? LOL nice try dude. I rode on my $900.00 aluminum Fuji for 10 years and it rode just as nice as it did the first day I bought it.
Bought one of the early Merlins for $1K. from the original owner a few years back. I was so impressed with the ride comfort and quality build, I bought a Moots Vamoot off eBay at a much discounted price compared to new. No structural issues with either and both have high end components. No Chinese for me. I can't afford cheap quality.
Good review. Not my idea of a nice bike though.
Sure. Want to see u riding downhill races.
Who the fuck came up with the saying "Stack of dimes" for the welds. This doesn't prove anything about welds. Since there is so little material created by these types of weld I would believe that welds like these are actually weaker. I am familiar with MOOTS and I think they are over priced. I love titanium bikes and it's what I own but I couldn't afford over-priced bikes from MOOTS or the likes of FIREFLY and many others made here in the US. I bought my frame from the Netherlands and had it shipped to the US and only paid half of what it would have cost for a US made frame. What does that say about our own companies? They don't care so much about cycling as they do making money.
Hi
Oooohhh 13-14kg heavy that. Think about a low level bike starting at 11kg and then adding camping kit etc. My bike got to 20kg. Ha beat that!
Can you fit mudguards?
quwers yes you can. There are eyelets at the bottom of the seat stays and a mounting thread under the seat stay bridge.
Looks like there is that option, at least on the fork.
Only if you can afford them.....
Gravol, adventcha. Nice accent
There is just no way to justify the price.
But why? A mountain bike with suspension is there already. So much better for off-road
Because a FS MTB is never going to keep up on the road / gravel part of a big ride. Most folks riding a FS MTB are overbiked relative to what they're actually riding on, unless they're bombing down lift hills or something.
I have a FS Stumpjumper but it's never going to keep up on gravel with a bunch of people averaging 25-30kmh on the flat. Easier to have a road bike that's also capable of gravel / doubletrack.
When n is equal to the number of bikes that you own it can never equal anything other than n=n+1
Thank goodness. A video about real riding. Your previous video almost made me unsub...
It doesn't look expensive. Real talk.
But its titanium and the stuff is expensive, hard to weld and a pain in the ass to cut and grind.
First!!
Just buy a cyclocross bike for a quarter of the price!
Any body know how much a Titanium tube costs per Kilogram ? I checked the price it s around 40-50$/kilograms in USA, I understand all the efforts that goes in to making the bike, but still it’s damn expensive. Same is true for AL bikes.
Have you ever calculated the price of steel and aluminium vs. that of a car?
Nevertheless, it is and it remains incredibly expensive for what it is.
@@dlevi67 agree!
Any body know how much a Titanium tube costs per Kilogram ? I checked the price it s around 40-50$/kilograms in USA, I understand all the efforts that goes in to making the bike, but still it’s damn expensive. Same is true for AL bikes.