TF2: Are These NERFED Weapons Still Good?
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- čas přidán 26. 06. 2024
- In this video, I take a look at some of TF2's most notoriously nerfed weapons and see if any of them still hold up.
CHAPTERS
0:00 INTRO
0:35 Slow doooown (Baby Face's Blaster)
4:16 Puff n' Sting Warrior (Degreaser)
8:16 The Fallen King (Sandman)
10:44 You shouldn't be there (Ambassador)
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This video features (in order of appearance):
- The Baby Face's Blaster
- The Degreaser
- The Sandman
- The Ambassador
All of which were once at the top of their game, but have now been nerfed hard. - Hry
![[TF2] Bad Weapon Academy: Baby Face's Blaster](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Jyp8bEECsYY/mqdefault.jpg)
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Can you play as Medium Size Scout? All you need is.
1. Play as Pyro
2. Equip (any)Shotgun and Powerjack
3. Do not use Flamethrowers
I'll just leave it here although there is a high chance that you may not notice.
i say lads i think i was in a game with you XD
10:25 Well, the maximum slow down effect takes every class to the speed of a walking heavy... the thing is that it also applies to heavy 😂
It also applies to Saxton Hale. Fancy that huh?
@@Learner0012 yeah but hitting a home run baseball into Saxton's head is no easy task
This is the most depressing fact I’ve ever learned… why would Valve think that’s a good idea 😭
@@SeaRavioli-TF2I mean its just very class dependant now so if your fighting scout or spy you have a nice advantage over them. Especially tricstaby spys. Although it's still a very weird decision, maybe they wanted to have more counter play with scout? Idk prob not.
@@SeaRavioli-TF2 The most-depressing part of it is that they literally left us with the current balance changes for TF2 being completely overkill. They nerfed Scout the MOST of any other class in Jungle Inferno, some justified some not (sandman, cleaver and bonk were NOT justified), and just left us on it. And us Scout mains have been paining through it for 6 odd years now (6th anniversary since Jungle Inferno was very recently).
Sandman actually does have one use. It stops Demomen shield charges for the duration they're slowed (which can be up to 7 seconds)
Does that make it viable in medival mode?
@@jjoohhnn6065Yes, actually, but almost entirely because the reduced health almost never matters because you're dying in two melee hits or a crit no matter what (or 4 hits from another scout). Outside of bow or crossbow shots, nothing is going to be affected by having slightly less health.
Some additional info on Baby Faces, when it initially released in 2012, you lost all your boost on any jump. People hardly used it in its launch state. I believe it was buffed the year after to it's god like state. It's lack of being able to jump was assisted by the Pretty Boy's Pocket Pistol stat that negated fall damage entirely, so you wouldn't have to use double jump to do so.
ya that part confused me bc i thought they went straight from the single jump to damage thing
I like using the sandman with the bfb, the feeling of slowing your enemy to a crawl while moving at super speed is great
Ultrakill subclass
LMAO
Have you tried cleaver and wrap assassin with it? It's free boost WOOO
@@Guhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh A fellow machine i see
Wish you tried the Degreaser-Panic Attack combo at some point during the Degreaser’s segment. Once you get the rhythm down, it is quite fun to use.
Ah, I tried a little bit off-camera and it was pretty cool. I generally prefer flares since it's more satisfying to me, but I had a bit of a personal goal of trying to use the oldschool "puff n sting" loadout which is why I stuck to the flare gun for most of it.
@@SeaRavioli-TF2the combo can out dng heavies if you puf them then weave shots between
Degreaser pyro is same case for Liberty Launcher soldiers, who use shotguns to combo with their rockets. Both are identical in design but do worse damage than stock, but have upsides that are negligable... until you add bullet damage into account.
Screws up other pyros and vacc medics.
@@SeaRavioli-TF2 Well, Lazypurple used this combo well enough to outdamage a Heavy. The DPS is insane.
Personally i prefer the default shotgun it gives a bit better range which pyro needs
My god, the old sterma callback had me chuckling out loud from nostalgia. Also, I know its not the best, but I just can't quit on the Baby Face's Blaster. I kinda like how I need to constantly work and stay aware, you know?
My take on the Sandman is to increase Scout's movement speed while enemies are slowed. It would just bring it a bit more up, while perhaps ending up feeling like bonking people for long helps you.
I would honestly just prefer the old stun back. Doesn't even need the cleaver combo. The stun on its own may have been annoying, but it was perfectly balanced and even many high-tier Scouts strayed from using it on its own because of its health penalty which increased your one-shot potential as Scout even further. Plus, it was iconic and it is missed by many alike.
nah they should just revert the change. but just make it so after taking any damage the stun is gone.
@@yusufdirir8386that would be fair
@@yusufdirir8386it’s like a boogie bomb lol.
@@TeenWithACarrotIDK yup
2:00
SeaRavoiovli: Bleed scott
Me: ✨Range Flava✨
The degreaser also pairs well with the panic attack. Yes your shotgun is the main damage dealer, but you can swap instantaneously, which can throw off people who know how to fight pyro.
I use shotgun on pyro as a main weapon and any flamthrower exepct dragon's furry for reflecting. Is it ok?
@@Spyfromtf2fr Anything other than the phlog is fine. Dragon's furry and back burner aren't that great, but are functional. Degreaser and stock are the 2 that are recommended, degreaser for the switch speed and stock for if you're a bit more liberal with your airblasts and want more viable afterburn.
that places you shouldnt be cameo was 10/10 I love you
the degreaser is still the best flamethrower after the nerf, as a pyro main myself I can confirm. The current version is a lot more balanced while the old version is quite frankly kinda busted since it's essentially a straight upgrade to stock with no real downsides. As for the current one, for the most part it's still mostly a slight upgrade since the 2 downsides are negligible while the upside adds a lot to the gameplay. You forgot one important aspect of the degreaser which is that the faster deploy speed allows you to have access to airblasting very quickly with seconds to spare and this feature saved my life countless times from soldiers and demos when I was caught by them with my secondary out. This reason alone is why it's still the most commonly used primary in competitive games. Id say the relationship between the current degreaser and stock is like the relationship between the stock grenade launcher and the iron bomber since for the most part they're similar but the unlockable is more useful in more important situations than their stock counterpart. Basically the degreaser is still overall the most versatile pyro primary and there's a good reason why it's still the first choice for pyro mains. As for the other weapons on the list, the amby is definitely weaker than once it was but it's still a solid sidegrade to stock, just less consistent. As for the baby face's blaster and the sandman, those 2 are arguably the biggest fallen giants in the game as they literally went from busted to completely useless with one stat change.
Yeah the reason my strange flamethrower isn't used often is because I love combo pyro SO much
Double bleed is good training wheels for learning how to manage your BFB boost but you kinda need to graduate from it to get the most out of the primary. The winger can cover a surprising number of gaps alongside a speed boost and still provides good boost buildup at longer ranges, and the mackerel is borderline mandatory for being able to consistently lay out damage when you're moving too fast for either party to land a shot.
BFBs at its best when you stop being precious about your boost and run at people like a rabid dog - the oscillation between losing all your speed then immediately getting it all back massively throws off the enemy's aim and intentionally taking damage can be the key to winning a 1v1.
all of this is really fun sounding till you remember pyro and engineer exist
4:40 this is because even though the weapon auto reloads when holstered, it still takes the same amount of time as it normally would to reload before you can fire again.
10:15 the slow speed is only slightly slower than a heavy's normal walk speed. The sound is supposed to indicate maximum duration of the slowing effect (7 seconds). Also there is a bug that allows players to get past the slowing effect by pushing a or d while moving, which you can see the heavy doing.
I think air blasting isn’t as effective with the degreaser because airblast got nerfed. It used to prevent the enemy player from strafing, making the player go in a straight line. Very effective combo with flare gun.
Why do you sound like rekrap?
Ikr?
The sandman's stun was freaking iconic and was such an awesome reward for Scout players doing the achievements! I don't even really play scout so I'd been on the receiving end of that stun many times and I NEVER found it unfair or frustrating, it was always a personal failure to avoid it because you could almost always see the ball coming. They need to put the stun back in but maybe have a minimum distance for its stun effect and just a slowdown at short range.
Yeah it's definitely an unfortunate nerf. I can see why they removed the stun, but to make it completely useless AND remove the cleaver combo was just insane D:
@@SeaRavioli-TF2 Right? They could have nerfed the Cleaver Combo, and left it at that.
They did make the exact change you're talking about with the Sandman previously - but it was still insanely popular because even with those limitations, the benefit of taking an opponent out of the fight was just too high.
I main Medic, so I well know the feeling of playing the game with a target of my back. I took a fair few sandman balls back in the day and I don't remember getting salty about it hardly at all. I almost never got hit with the full stun, just the hands-up surrender effect, which meant I just retreated a little bit. I'm sure Soldier mains hated it, because it meant they couldn't rocket jump around. To which I say, tough break, Soldier is really damned powerful with few counters.
I always respected getting nailed with a long-range ball and cleaver, and like OP said, it was usually my fault for not paying attention. I miss the old Sandman.
great video! my favorite part about the sandman is that it’s debuff slows down all classes to the same speed instead of by a percent, so for a scout it’s a huge problem but for a heavy it’s negligible.
Bobo is an even greater thing than the video
@@NubE-Co don’t ever speak when i don’t say you can boy
@@Superwaffle-ez9ct dude calm down it's literally a joke don't take this seriously you're literally fighting the invisible boogie man who magically insulted you.
@@NubE-Co i told you to hush up boy
Great video! I had to use the BFB a lot recently and can definitely back up your experiences.
I saw you in a game one time. I had no idea who you were at the time but I'm loving it so far. Keep it up ❤
great editing man, it’s very clean!
It would be cool if scout got a temporary speed boost when hitting sandman ball and it would be a fitting theme for it too (hit the home run and sprint to the goal)
if they added a switch speed buff to ambassador to make it standout as the missed backstab but not out of options weapon while keeping the enforcer still unique
Degreaser... have you tryed the shotguns with it?
Degreaser with the Panic Attack is kinda OP.
Holy shit you are the most underated creator I've ever seen like oml and also 4 or is it 5 uploads now and ur at 8k but man you deserve a lot more recognition and the editing is like elmaxo style and it is just perfect #justiceforbobo
great video production! This channel is going somewhere!
Your videos are so unbelievably fantastic, keep it up dude
What hud do you use, it looks pretty cool
I love your editing
Love getting to see the videos early- hope to play in game with you one day, think it'd be nice
Thanks! If you're from NA-west and you queue upward/barnblitz/payload you'll probably run into me :P
What music did you use for the ambassador segment?
Your content is really fun and impressive, keep it up
I am pretty sure that you would have had even more fun with degreaser if you would have airblasted enemies in the air like in good (bad) old times. Just aim down if enemy is not jumping or up whenever to make enemies go fly and have easier flare target
Awesome video! At 5:10, I think you lost that fight because you were walking forward while enemy pyro was walking backwards, so their flames reached farther.
Nice sound effects, where'd you get those?
mouth + lowpass filter 😎
I like how in the Amby section he subtitles it "Not even that far away" when he is outside the range that 99% of firefights take place in lmao, especially in Spy's case.
A+ video regardless.
what is the hit sound you use? or is that just your mouse making a pop noise
The Baby Face's Blaster Loadout You Made Is MY Louadout BTW XD
I love using the degreaser+stock shotgun combo, dealing a lots of burst damage with fire is epic AF
Bro has a sick editing style :3
Loved the Ster gag hahahahaha
For the baby face , instead of the guillotine, try using bonk atomic as you still keep the boost allowing you to escape situations to keep your life and boost
the Sandman(and the wrap assassin to an extent, but its not as funny to use) does have an use if you abuse the random crit balls bug to deal a still puny, but more considerable damage with it.
the way you do it is whenever you pick scout(and it does reset if you switch classes, but not dying), equip the funny bat, swing at least once and right click, then if the ball wasn't a crit, you switch classes then back to scout, until it crits.
the result is that until you switch classes or the match ends, if you swing the bat before right clicking at any point in that life, the ball will always be a critical hit, which i guess has its use? it does *some* damage and stuns which could be useful i guess
autosubscribe as a combo pyro who worships the degreaser. Your videos are genuinely the most fun tf2 videos I see nowadays (and not many people stray away from metas or take these other weapons seriously). I’m a firm believer in prioritizing fun- please keep it up!
edit: and you’re Canadian! Nice.
how did you get those sounds on your screen where it says when people get hurt
I gotta say, after watching this video I only see quality content, from the script, the editing, the background music to the jokes and ideas, etc.
In other words, congratulations, you got yourself a new subscriber!!!
Thank you! And nice pfp, you've got good taste
you've grown pretty quick i think the first time i found your channel you had around 1k subs? i dunno. but that was a few months ago and your at around 8k. very cool
On the grind always
Wow, really nice editing!
Thanks!
The star reference was perfect
really like your videos better than some bigger tf2 yts videos
The BFB is surprisingly good on nucleus and nucleus map reskins,
And the old 2015 META combo of the BFB+sandman+cleaver is GOATED in VSH(if you hit hale with the ball, he’s always slower than you at full boost, even when he has low hp)
You have genuinely one of the greatest editing styles and vibes I’ve found from a tf2ber. I think that if you think about it a lot more and make some more original content you can become one of the best. I hope this donation acts as a small incentive to be the best that you can and reach your full potential. Good luck on your journey ❤
Wow, thank you so much! This caught me off guard, I didn't even know I had donations enabled LOL
Thank you very much, the grind will continue
the sandman ball is like throwing a snowball in club penguin
I love your edit style how can I learn that
Something you sort of mentioned but that I think is the best part of the degreaser, is that it's the fastest possible way to reflect if you don't have your primary out 24/7. There's just way too many times I've had the powerjack or a secondary out and couldn't switch back to my flamethrower in time to hit a reflect that would've killed an enemy soldier or saved my life.
The callback to jerma and ster really boosted my mood ;D
this video is amazing! subbed and commented for the youtube algorithm gods
I randomly saw you in casual. Good video!
Duuuude the sandman was my favorite weapon by a long shot back in the day. Hitting the "moonshots" was my favorite thing to do (Max range stun that made the cheering crowd sound effect). Remember when some kids used to put how many moonshots they hit in their steam name/bio?
Degreaser panic attack is the most fun ica had as pyro
What captions do you use
That Ster reference hit me like a tonne of bricks
Love these types of vids
The degreaser makes you cost more ammo for airblast and some afterburn damage just so you can try to do a combo with the panic attack
nice video, also super random, but do you play on Mcc island? Cause I swear I might of but I am not sure
Thanks! Before TF2 I used to make Minecraft videos so you may have seen me around servers. I've played MCC Island a few times, but chances are if you've seen me anywhere, it would have been Hypixel.
theres no song credit from the chapters in the description ((
Love the editing
Thank you!
Another day, another sea ravioli video
More like another month lmao gg
I remember this one time not so long ago when, somehow, my first 3 kills of the round were made with sandman's ball.
I really liked this vid man, keep it up! (Ps:what hud are you using? 😅)
Thank you, amazing name btw. I'm using ToonHUD :)
@@SeaRavioli-TF2 Ty
how do u have the health and ammo ecc like that i dont know how to put them like that
The baby face blaster with the guillotine and wrap assassin is the ranged flava loadout
How do you get your transparent viewmodels?
ur videos are really high quality for a youtuber of your size
I just started playing again since like around 2014. Didn't know all theses weps were nerfed. I remember using the sandman a lot
I feel like the main thing that cripples the baby face blaster is the %10 slower movement speed like, like I could let the other debuffs slide if the I didn't have a slower movement speed than normal scout
sea ravioli what is your hud that you are using
Degreaser is my favorite primary for Pyro and i haven't picked up the stock in months.
Recently traded for the Baby Face's, the boost reduction is pretty harsh tho so i still need to get used to it.
Ambassador is just aight and i dont have the sandman and will probably only use it once when i eventually do get it.
Edit: unlocked the sandman: yeaahhh it's pretty bad.
And dont forget that if you walk diagonally sandman doesn't have any effect on your movement, so it only works on people walking down a corridor away from you, not aware of the trick.
I find it interesting you put the degreaser in this video as many pyro mains will often put it higher than stock and say it’s the best flamethrower
For one combo to try with the Degreaser, use it with the Panic Attack. Hit them with flames, quickly switch off to the shotgun for a shot, return to spraying with the degreaser, switch off to the shotgun for a shot, you get the idea, do this quickly enough and you can out-DPS a heavy at point blank.
4:46 I loved watching those combo videos by blu,
ur channel deserves more attention
When using baby face is the only time i also use sun on the stick in case i survive a pyro attack. Since afterburn takes me to below forty health
Dude! I was on that game with you and Bobo. What are the odds!
I really do enjoy the accuracy boost of the babys face blaster to it feels so good to hit meatshots with it
The way I use the Baby Face Blaster is to gain more speed so I can pepper the enemy with debuffs like Bleeding, Marked for Death, Mad Milk or Stun. It helps a bunch with out manoeuvring and escaping. It makes Scout more of a support character and is pretty fun.
Good vid but I think you missed a crucial bit on the Degreaser segment which is that it wasn't just nerfed directly on its own stats but also indirectly relative to all of pyro's other primaries because the standard weapon switch speed got buffed across the board for all classes. So the switch bonus that the Degreaser provides no longer feels as significant because it's literally not. You feel like you could've done the combos with the stock flamethrower because you really could, you just couldn't have a decade ago before that game-wide switch speed rework. So the main thing that neutered the Degreaser was that its niche was made available to every other flamethrower and it no longer had much of a reason to exist. But true, it can make some kills more satisfying.
The baby faces actually pairs best with the Mad Milk. The gun (and the entire class) heavily incentivises good aim to boost your way out of trouble, so having the ability to tank the hit and guarantee the kill is super good.
The mad milk counters the small damage taken and you can give yourself more time, extinguish yourself from pyros (although honestly pyros were never that much of a threat) and in general is a really good support tool.
Scout always gets countered by sentries so who cares?
What's funny is every secondary can benefit the Baby Faces super well. Pistol can rack up a lot of boost, Winger is super good in general, Pocket pistol can combine the mad milk and damage, Crit a cola can double down and guarantee otherwise impossible kills, bonk can keep the boost, etc.
Even melees can pair well with the Baby faces, though much not as potently.
With the baby faces, do not be afraid to jump. Keep in mind, you basically get it all back with 1 really good shot. So if you lose it, hit another shot. It's why it's still pretty strong, like you also mess with Demo and Soldier timings still with the speed boost.
Though despite this, the main weakness is the less ammo in the clip. Less dps is never really that great.
3:05 funny fish moment
I remember seeing you in the kill feed and didn't believe it.
What if the sandman stunned airborne targets?
Man you deserve like 100k subs your content is so well made
thank you!
Ayo wb that babyface pared with the manowar marked for death fan?
A really good combo with the degreaser is the panic attack. The switch speed is so fast you can just spam degreaser and with the meatshots
new subscriber, finally found a new tf2 youtuber
I'm glad some people still know where Super Secret is
Friend of mine uses his own more aggressive version of the bleed scout he calls The Boston Experience using The BBB, Mad milk and Boston Basher.
what texturepack are u using
Baby face blaster is super fun with the speed n bleed load out. People complain about you losing boost but that’s the point, you need to get it back. I personally think it still needs a buff to be viable, like clip size or increasing the damage threshold to lose speed.
the sandman also disables shield charges for debuff duration (and knocks them out of a charge)
What hud are you using?