@alfredpersson-br7yk Do what Jesus did and fend it off with scripture Read the bible and pray and fast constantly against it Remember 1 john 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
I find it disagreeable the way you assert that orthodoxy is the sole path to salvation, which I respectfully deem inaccurate. Identification as orthodox, Catholic, or Protestant does not guarantee entry into heaven. The key lies in the belief that God sent His only son to redeem humanity. Salvation is contingent on unwavering faith, not denomination. Refrain from presenting orthodoxy as the exclusive route to salvation, acknowledging the diversity within Christian denominations. The perception of orthodoxy as flawless is misleading, given theological variations. Despite my frustration with the absence of a unified Christian church, it's essential to address the nuances of belief systems. Orthodox doctrine, notably the belief that the Holy Spirit proceeds solely from the Father, requires examination. A persuasive case for the authenticity of orthodoxy, considering the theological stance on the Holy Spirit, could prompt me to explore this faith further.
Actually catholics participate in the byzantine catholic eucharist see it as the one true eucharist of there the church ,but in it is Gregory Palamas as a saint from the proskomide .
I really hate when people use “denomination hopping” as an argument. There’s nothing wrong with people looking for truth and find out they’re wrong multiple times.
It actually IS wrong, because you can find the truth and be right the FIRST time. You dont need to keep on making the same mistakes over and over again in order to get something right! I know that I don't need to sorcery(pharmakeia) in order to know its going to temporarily and long term destroy me and send me to hell.
me too. Raised Orthodox, at 20 something had a fall where I lost my faith, and had to go through nihilistic depression for almost a decade before I found my faith again.
I was raised Orthodox, got a bit deceived by Protestant teachings in my teens when I was still ignorant even to the point of me feeling weird venerating icons, but thankfully never left the church and grew stronger than ever in my Orthodox faith once I started learning.
I am a catechumen in the Orthodox Church and you have played a small role in my conversion from Protestantism. Although your role wasn’t big, I’m not sure if I would be here without you
Come visit a Church: orthodoxyinamerica.org/ Check out my videos on Trent Horn, Steve Ray, Michael Lofton, Brian Holdswroth! reach out if you have questions! God bless!
Redditors in action. My husband is a cradle Catholic, joining me in catechumens to EO now. (I was raised Baptist/New Age). Hes definitely doing more bouncing than an atheist who finds truth over time. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." Its not wrong to critique and debate, but this was just a personal attack. Let us all pray for these Catholic brothers and sisters that they can be more Christ like. 🙌
I actually made the meme at 6:59 referring to the smudging ritual, when the Pope came to Alberta (my home province) to do that. I’d already went down the trad Roman Catholicism pipeline. By that time, I considered going Byzantine Rite. Luckily I just skipped the silly Byzcath LARPing and went to a ROCOR 15 minutes away (in a city of about 100 000 people, so I was lucky there was one nearby). I wish I converted to Orthodoxy for a better reason than one of the many papal scandals, but what can I say, you just fall in love with the beautiful theology, that’s what kept me.
@@acekoala457 he actually visited the ROCOR I attended and was baptized in! (Assumption of the Holy Virgin, Lethbridge), I was keeping up with that news with parishioners on their instagram page. I moved to Newfoundland to take care of some relatives about a month before his first visit, I currently attend an OCA Mission, Holy Lady of Vladimir, St. John’s now. Edit: I just double checked the instagram and realized he moved there to be the priest! I hope my fellow parishioners enjoy his company!
That’s one thing I don’t get about the European church over time is the development of anti-Semitism among some some Christians it wasn’t a thing in the early centuries, and only criticisms of Judaism specifically the religious Jews that rejected Jesus as Messiah.
@@justchilling704 Its because in early Christianity, usery of any kind was forbidden. However, Jews were free to perform usery, so usually they were banks and loaners. Theres not much point for a Christian who couldnt gain interest to be a banker or loaner. So usually what happened is a Christian or Christian emperor/king/pope would borrow money from the Jewish banks and then not be able to pay them back. So they would get out of it by calling them Christ killers and either banning them from the city/country or by outright killing them. That is how the myth of the all powerful and money hungry Jew came about
@Kyle, Here is an orthodox christian in a "traditionally orthodox" country - Bulgaria. I am thanking God seeing pure orthodox faith in a country so far away. Brother, I am writing you with an urgent request to raise a voice in defense of orthodoxy against avarice (simony) that holds in captivity (almost) the whole of the orthodox church in the east (in Bulgaria for sure). I am speaking about the practice of requiring money (taxes) for performing the sacraments on the faithful - there are taxes to get baptized, to marry and to be included in the prayers by the priesthood. There are no taxes for the Holy Mysteries probably only because it was directly condemned by the 6th Ecumenical Council. I tell you, brother, there is not a single voice in my country condemning this abomination - so successful is this scheme of the dragon. Please make a video about this proclaiming the eternal orthodox belief condemning avarice (simony) in the most severe terms.
Ask for the Intercessions of St. Raphael of Brooklyn. He fought against Simoniacs in his Homeland in Syria while in Exile. Taxes for any of the Sacraments is condemned at the 6th Ecumenical Council, including Marriage, Baptism, Ordination.
Look I'm from Greece. We have a similar tradition here for sacraments like baptism and wedding. If you want to make a baptism or a wedding for free because you can't afford one, you can. BUT, if you're having a glamorous and expensive ceremony it's really cheapy on you not to give something to the church. Don't forget that people like the chanter and the guy's keeping up/cleaning the church and helping the priest during the sacrament need to get paid nowadays because they take time from their day to be there for you. You see guys having a $5000-$10000 wedding feast for 300+ guests and cheap out and complain for the $50-$200 the church asks for the people I mentioned and the electricity...For all the other simple prayers giving money is optional here ($1-$5 totally on you). The worst thing that can happen if you don't give anything is a weird look but it's really rare tbh.
Kyle, just like you say in this video: your short and precise videos on Orthodoxy actually sparked my interest and curiosity enough to even go and check out all of the longform guys. I'm sure many would say the same. You're filling your niche just fine; these guys are just angry because of their inability to defend their "West is the Best!" mindset from your arguments.
Kyle, I had heard about Orthodoxy years ago from Tristan Haggard (known as Primal Edge Health at the time) and never really delved into it when I was finding my faith and my way back to Christ. I eventually fell into Protestantism because I knew nothing about apologetics for Christian denominations, just that Christ was God and Christianity was true. I stumbled upon your page several months ago and through binge-watching you, as well as Jay Dyer and many other Orthodox Christian channels and joining the Orthodox discord, I decided to become Orthodox. I attended my first divine liturgy just over a month ago and have now been in contact with the Father of that church, I'm currently an inquirer but hope to become a catechumen and eventually a full part of this church. Thank you.
In the early 2000s, I spent a lot of time over 5 years or so engaged in arguing apologetics w/ CS Lewis Society. The best apologists in our group were a RC, a Reformed protestant, a secular philosopher and a skeptic. I was vaguely protestant myself at the time and got my lumps and also several lumps "in" as it were, too. The main takeaway from all of the time and research I spent was that the intellect is barely a problem. It's the heart that is the problem. One particular protestant (a Baptist preacher) was mean-spirited towards our RC host/moderator, but the moderator would not engage in specific doctrinal disputes, resigning himself to a "mere Christianity" vs secular/atheist argumentation instead. The Baptist made some snide remarks about the Eucharist which were even offensive to me. So I took up his challenge to "prove" the Eucharist as RC's understand it. He conceded in the end saying that he still couldn't accept the facts I had delivered, but he was thankful that I was on the Christian side of the argument. This left me with a dilemma of my own. As a protestant who had now sufficiently *proven the "Real Presence", how could I remain protestant myself? I couldn't. I like to tell people now that I spent many years doing Christian apologetics and the only person who ever converted was me. Ultimately, I ran into the same issues with the RCC as you have elucidate time and again, and it left me despondent, tbh. I didn't actually grasp and had not looked closely enough at the differences between EO and RCC to see the actual distinctions. Long story short, my wife and I were made Catechumens at our Antiochian parish just before Lent this past winter and are now firmly on the path to reception into full communion next Pascha. I'm not a big believer in the efficacy of apologetics, for the reason(s) stated above. It has value to the individual who chooses to actually engage the arguments with a clear eye on their own motives, but aside from that, I find little to recommend in apologetics--viewing it as one tool in the box rather than the go-to hammer that fixes most things. That said, exposure to argumentation can be the catalyst for that individual to question their own assumptions, ignorance(s) and motivation, and it does hold value in that regard. In the end, it still comes down to the heart far more than the head and has much more to do with intellectual pride than it does with heartfelt humility and/or concern for the Truth, imo.
Hey, Kyle! I'm a Presbyterian Christian, and I've been watching your stuff for a while. You've given me a lot of insight towards Orthodox Christianity, and I'm considering converting to it (given more time and research). I want to thank you for giving me this vast pool of knowledge towards Orthodox Christianity :]
Awesome! you should get the book Rock and Sand by Fr Josiah Trenham, he was Presbyterian, not Orthodox Priest czcams.com/video/FZ-s3CnwngQ/video.htmlsi=b12yC3Yf8M4coXnh Visit a Church: orthodoxyinamerica.org/ reach out if you have questions
A former Catholic raised and born into it, it’s changed simply from my childhood I can only imagine how much they’ve changed from my grandparents in the 60’s, MOST CATHOLICS don’t know anything more then your low level Protestant I.e. biblical stories/gospels and that’s about it
Great video Kyle. I’m Protestant but I have to say, your videos have made me grow curious about orthodoxy. I have to admit that there are a few things I don’t understand about it though.
@@OrthodoxKyle I’ll definitely look those books up, although I’m not American, and I don’t live there so I’ll have too see if there are any orthodox churches near where I usually am.
@@OrthoLou I’m a student, so I jump between the UK (where I study), Belgium (where I’m from) to visit my grandparents, and the UAE (where my parents live)
"They couldn't answer my questions." Well that sounds familiar. Not knowing is fine, and so is asking questions. But when one's only response, while being confronted with new information, is to personally attack the person giving it, they are never in the right.
Thank you for making these videos, truly their only attampt at an argument against Orthodoxy is to strike at your character, it is very disappointing. Pray for them ☦️
A lot of people “bounce” around trying to find the truth. Funnily enough, most will stop bouncing around once they find Orthodoxy. Unless they are stuck in modernism. Even still, many will go back. I pray the Catholics put their full trust in Jesus Christ and not the Pope. ☦️🙏🏻
@@Iustusxi 1 Timothy 3:1 “If a man desires the office of a bishop, he desires good work.” Bishops have been around since the beginning. Protestants also have them in their churches. The Orthodox recognizes, however, that a bishop is also just a man and therefore fallible. The Pope, according to the Catholics is not. Having bishops within the church is not hypocritical. it might do you some good to do further research on orthodoxy. Matthew 12:36 I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgement.
@@jlynn5680 lol where are you pulling this from. We don’t think the pope is God, or anything else. Hes just the bishop of Rome. The pope has always been an office in the Church.
You're a good man Kyle. Something I've learned is that as we grow, we leave behind those who were unable to grow themselves. It's extremely hard, especially when you really care about them, but you have to learn how to live how YOU are supposed to live, not let others force their ways down your throat. I remember feeling like I needed to help them, to lead them away from what I saw was a dark path, but I've realized that the only reason I was able to leave that path myself was my own intuition changing and my mindset shifts. Nothing anyone directly said to me made me grow, but only consistent failure and self-thought did.
I am so joyful about your enthusiasm for the Holy Orthodox Traditions, and your no-bullshit way of saying things like they are :D . Thank you for showing such faithfulness to Truth! God bless you and the continuation of your channel
Sorry that happened man. I had the same thing happen, though in a different setting. My father, my old pastor, and some friends, said the same thing. That I "bounced around" from my cradle church (Lutheran) to agnostic, and back Lutheran. This wasn't a problem until I converted to Orthodoxy! Now, I'm just an idiot who doesn't really know Jesus because I bounced around. Real fun.
I would love it if I was helped making a "discernment ministry pipeline to Orthodoxy" since I've had an interesting ride from non-denominationalism to Orthodoxy which took me through the Missouri synod Lutherans.
Eugenia Constantinou is a biblical scholar who taught at a Catholic seminary. This has led to understanding Catholics in a very unique way. She has put our a four-part series "Thinking Orthodox" where she discusses many differences between Orthodoxy and Catholicism. Highly recommended.
I’m catholic and I love your channel. I just skip the anti catholic videos. Your editing style is awesome and hilarious. I love when you put in the scary chilling music and the “wrong” And the grunt sound and all that lol
Although I'll only be able to formally convert and attend a Church if I move to another city/country because of the scarce presence of The Church in my country, I think discovering Orthodoxy, through your channel by the way, was one of the happiest and most fulfilling moments in my life. Thank you, Kyle
I personally don't have anything against Orthodoxy, but Kyle makes me wanna to speak up for the Catholic church. This just came off like a childish rant. I would have to ask that there be better communication between Catholics and Orthodox Christians.
Same, as a Catholic who really respects Orthodoxy but intellectually and spiritually knows Catholicism has the fullness of the truth, it's next to impossible listening to Kyle and other "Orthodox apologist" who scream and shout bs.
Why do people always throw in there terms like , retort, rebuttal, refutation, ad hominem and other intro to logic vacab? It's like they pretend to be lawyers. We're not all going to go back and forth with. I don't think I came off silly. My comment was pretty simple to begin with. So I don't expect hot headed people to get riled up so easily. Some CZcamsrs post nothing but hate or slanderous videos about the Catholic church, but I for one think the faith of the Christian Orthodox Church is a beautiful faith. God would surely welcome you into his kingdom. As well as many Catholics. We're not gonna agree on everything I suppose but we're not opposed to each other. We both want to protect the church and fulfill God's commands. We want to be better Christians and perfect our faith as best we can. Let's use our time wisely.
There wasn’t an argument made in the post. The post was about Kyle himself so that’s why I made my comment about him. If it were Kyle who made the post and made arguments I would’ve replied to whatever arguments were made but that’s not what the post was about.
That former Catholic friend of yours that said he would rather be an atheist than Orthodox showed his true colors. St Gregory Palamas in his debates with Barlaam said that the essence of Latin Catholicism eventually leads to atheism.
The thing that kept me away from Christianity when I was kid was, I didn't know the differences between denominations and assumed all Christians were like Catholics. Soon as I discovered Orthodoxy, I left Islam and converted to Christianity. And I still hate Catholics 😂
Kyle, your channel is an instrument that has helped many young people like me grow in learning and understanding the early church history and theology as well as the current affairs of the church. Keep doing what you're doing brother. "Blessed are those who falsely accuse you and punish you because of Me" matthew 5:11.
The person who left the initial comment is just confused seeing somebody make actual life changes based off new information in pursuit of the the truth. Using the term “bounce around” in reference to a secular atheist person finding faith in Jesus Christ at any point is crazy. Shame on them
So much respect to you Kyle, you're an inspiring guy, it's tough losing friends for the truth, but God bless those who do.☦️☦️☦️ "He who loses his life for my sake shall find it"
Very impressive you left your friend group to pursue what is right. Such things happen. I had to leave modernistic western spirituality for it as well, though many of them weren't really that good of friends, nor was the relationship so stable because it doesn't really have a shared value system. I'll definitely check out your works on orthodoxy. I came from a protestant place geographically myself, so I never got deep into catholocism. I heard the criticism of papal ineffability before, and heard other people I respect also find grace in orthodoxy. So yeah will check it out. I also make videos regarding Christianity as a recent convert. Peace
Bouncing is not bad in my opinion. I have searched, read, and ask people about their religion because I did really want to believe something, participate in a parish, any parish. And this "searching time" took 10 years! I'm not joking, I did my search for 10 years. Now I'm 24, found the way, Orthodoxy. But before Orthodoxy, I thought the way is Orthodox Judaism, before that Catholicism, Protestantism, Islam, New Age things... I'm glad finally I'm home, and I'm glad that God let me do my search in my way and let me learn the World. Because thanks to this, I do not have any questions about Orthodox Christianity.
As long as the bouncing settles where one belongs, Christ's Church, then it may be beneficial for someone's soul to know the falsehoods but always to temper it with the truth.
The Catholic kid slandering you is supposed to treat you as a brother, regardless of you converting to Orthodoxy. His pope commands him "Treat Orthodox as brothers; they're your separated brethrens with valid sacraments. Don't proselytise Orthodox Christians, they're our brothers!"
Praying for you brother, I hope you are well. Its not easy to leave friend groups or make big life changes for your faith. From what Ive seen you always present yourself with texts and facts. Keep doing good work!
Kyle with the facts per usual! You popped up in my feed a couple months ago. I’ve been binge watching all your past videos. You clearly (but quickly lol) explain your points. Bro I was lost a few months ago and now my wife and I are excited about our faith! Dude you rock! Keep doing God’s work man! By the way get your dictionary out lol I’m constantly looking up words.
The Catholic friend of yours slandering you reminds me of the deceitful, weaselly Catholic who went on one of Jay Dyer’s streams and initially claimed he wasn’t a Catholic (although he later had to confess that he was).
i pray for God to keep you humble. I never seen such brilliant man with such clear thinking embracing the truth and not falling to pride. Your knowledge puts us born Orthodox in Greece at shame. Here the "war" is fierce. They attack our educational system and we lost our Christian values .If it wasn't for Mt. Athos and the prayers of our Holy Mother Theotokos i believe we would surely perish both physically and spiritually. But seeing you gave me hope. God can bring people to truth anywhere in the world!! what a joy! Glory to God
I'm an inquiring prot. I tried to watch Jay Dyer but he is a bit above my academic paygrade so I watch videos that are easily digestible- mostly you, seraphim/kabane, and various monktubers. I was already curious, but I actually managed to go to a parish! Taking it slow though, but I'm going to see if I can make it this weekend as well. God bless you, you funny zoomer.
watch my playlist on becoming Orthodox: czcams.com/play/PL6eyVWFC0v8f7aOVmFtDRBBdTxpfO7k4w.html&si=1N9BR7dK1wNdINH7 Glory to God! take it slow and reach out if you have questions
I'm really sorry you lost your friends when you converted, I'm blessed mine began inquiring shortly after I did too, and I hope in time that your friends will come home to Orthodoxy too. It's so funny to me when they argue with the "denomination hopping". In reality they don't care if you changed your mind thousands of times, as long as you end up submitting to Rome. They tried this against someone close to me too, he went from atheist, non-denom, inquired into catholicism and then Orthodoxy, they said he wasn't allowed to change his mind so many times, but they'd forgive him if he changed his mind one more time if he settled with catholicism... He wasn't even set on anything, just looking into things too, but they viewed him as a traitor. Don't worry or bother with any accusations of "anti-semitism", it's all the barkings of a dog who has been cornered. Their last effort to put you on the defensive. They sure do love saying "God sent the muslims and communists to punish you Orthodox", but I wasn't aware that catholics held a belief in prosperity theology. When they themselves are persecuted, they say "look, satan is attacking us because we are the True Church!", it's all nonsense. The "qudasha of mar nestorius" was quite a major reason me and some friends ruled out catholicism, I'm glad you brought it up. Eastern catholics, the one group they say all Orthodox should become, they know so little about it, and they assume the only thing that mattes to us is aesthetics. Thank you for reaching the Zoomer generation. My friends with shorter attention spans (no hate, not everyone can focus on very dense theological stuff with big words for hours) or less free time seem to really like your content. The end of the video made me cry, thank you little apple man for your wisdom, truly Orthodoxy is the most beautiful thing we have here, because it alone leads us to Christ 🥺🙏
I got a genuine lol over "did you have too many pints with Aquinas?"😂 Could always do a compare of "saint" Mother Teresa, her friendship with Ghislaine Maxwell's father, a Mossad agent, as well as Hilary Clinton (and the orphanage they opened in D.C. that had children go missing from [and a Clinton office worker 'died' just before coming forward on the subject]).😱 at that point you MAY still want to talk about the Indian hospice center she ran where the nurses just washed used needles w water because "the patients were going to die anyways."😇😪 Vs... I dunno, someone like Elder Ephraim of Arizona, not even canonized yet.. but even my own parish priest saw him surrounded in a giant, brilliant light, brighter than the sun in broad daylight. Also said shortly before he died "soon the world will turn around and wear a mask." He reposed Dec 2019... a little over a month later mask mandates began in the U.S. Nevermind many of my personal friends who received blessings from him and said they could immediately sense tremendous grace, peace and holiness just being around him.
16:09 Something similar happened to me actually. I was debating with a Catholic who kept saying Orthodoxy was heretical, but still has valid sacraments. Apostolic Canons 45-46 refute this, early Church history refutes this. Heretics cannot have valid sacraments, and if Orthodoxy has valid sacraments, then we aren't heretics. Back to the point, I think he realized he was losing, so basically he pinged every single Catholic and used the cheapest insult to make it look like he was winning. I'll paste his exact words here: "@Catholic Look at this EO larper. The Filioque was apparently condemned but he’s not gonna tell me when or where 😂" I had to deal with this for practically all his comments. We had switched from talking about Orthodoxy to the Filioque. He pinged every Catholic in the discord server just to make himself more powerful. He tried to attempt to use insults to make his claims true, but much to his demise. I pray for him, for he clearly doesn't understand early Church teachings. The point of my comment is this. Many Catholic I've debated (at least 3-4) have said similar things. "Look at this EO fake Apologetic" "Look at this kid who thinks he understand big stuff" etc. These insults are terrible to use, it just makes the person I'm debating look like a fool. I never insulted anyone once because when I debate, I am actually serious and treat the other person with respect.
Another great one, Kyle! Just as a side note, glad to see you've hit 17k subscribers! I remember subscribing to your channel when you only had about 700. Glory to God!
8:55 Kyle's not mad, just disappointed 😢 hit like a ton of bricks after he spoke about his catholic friends so highly I hope you'll find more solid friends in orthodoxy, kyle, god bless you☦️
Very sad to see that you've been betrayed and slandered by someone you trusted. Real friends should respect each others beliefs and be there for one another. Pray for him and the rest of your Catholic friends. Your videos have been very helpful on my journey to Orthodoxy especially since I'm a bit of a slow boi with zoomer attention span. God bless.
I watch this channel just about every morning while getting ready for work. I love this channel. Keep up the awesome and helpful work, Kyle. Vhrist bless you. IC XC NIKA ☦️
Hey Kyle, i like that your videos arent overly polite, disgustingly formal virtue signal presentations. Youre a young guy making tongue in cheek but honest content for people who want a straightforward message and I respect that. Anyone complaining that you should behave a certain way or that youre just a memer or a larper may be coming with good intentions, but theyre too focused on tearing apart your message and not lifting up the truth. Im not Orthodox (yet) and just a random guy but you inspire good in me, keep it up brother and God bless.
thank you (: watch this: czcams.com/video/_dP4ppvQZpU/video.htmlsi=hl47DgFRFyk-y4p6 Come visit: orthodoxyinamerica.org/ reach out if you have questions
Thus channel is almost completely anti-reddit now and I love it. Glory to God for all things and for keeping everyone watching this video alive and loved. ❤️☦️
You should make a video on the dialog between Robert Spencer and brother Rashid vs Daniel haquiqatou and the muslim metaphysician, the muslims said some wild stuff.
@@OrthodoxKyle they basically tried to make Christianity look like Islam, so they had a bizarre argument to say that Christianity has the death penalty for apostasy, and is ok with genocide.
I was baptised orthodox but my father was an atheist and my mother never went to church. at the age of 29 I returned to the orthodox church. I am 31 now.
As someone who came back to Catholicism after an atheistic haze in college your videos are captivating. I must admit I think it’s hard to check out or be open to Orthodoxy just because many of the churches are ethnically based.
@@Eliyahu_777 I mean the churches are Greek, Serbian, Romanian, etc. It seems like most orthodox churches are designated for people that come from those cultures.
@@Eliyahu_777 And that's not the point he's making, he's saying Orthodoxy as a whole is more ethnically-based, compared to Catholicism which lives up to the name (catholic meaning universal) where I go to mass and see Irish, Italians, Indians, Spanish, Mexicans, Native Americans, Asians, etc. This doesn't disprove Orthodoxy, but you have to admit Catholicism even if you consider it false, is way more universal.
Kyle has been diagnosed with terminally online internet christian syndrome 😂😂😂 I wonder how many psychiatrists recognise the existence of such syndrome
9:22 Exactly. Catholicism begins with Scholasticism, which the Orthodox Fathers regarded as essentially atheism. Scholasticism logically leads to Protestantism, which leads to Rationalism and then to Atheism. The modern West moves back and forth between these extremes. Their underlying commonality is that they have two inconsistent principles: they separate Authority (or why they believe and what is true) and Love. These two principles that are inconsistent with each other, and thus one must apply them arbitrarily. The one principle is the basis by which they believe: it is authority, reason or power. That is the primary principle to which they must submit. The other principle is love, compassion, and kindness. This principle is good and wise, and one should apply it. But they cannot resolve the two principles into one governing principle of when they should submit to the Authority and when they should act according to Love. Essentially, their belief system is inconsistent. This is why Atheism, Protestantism and Scholasticism are the same belief system. It's either Facts only, or Faith only, or the Bible only, or the Pope only, some powerful Authority and that is the source of Truth for them. This source does not have to be loving - it must be followed nevertheless. And then issues of Love are secondary, desirable but cosmetic. Watch on CZcams a short video by Bertrand Russel in his message to future generations: Facts only, but love is wise. This is just another form of Protestantism, which is another form of Scholasticism. It is the religion that thinks it perceives the essence of God and things, as if their mind can know the fulness of knowledge. They cannot distinguish essence and energies of nature. In Orthodoxy, Belief and Practice are one. Pride corrupts knowledge. Only one who makes progress in the virtues comes to know God, and our knowledge of God is always partial, which knowledge manifests humility. All things derive from Love. Every doctrine, every belief, and every action should be governed and directed by Love. Take for example ecclesiology: conciliarity is the principle of a community of persons sharing in common, which is love. Take sacraments: the Lord performs all sacraments where two or three are gathered in his name: this is the image of the Trinity, which is Love, which is a community of persons sharing in common. Every aspect of Orthodox belief and practice derive from the single principle of Love. Authority is from Love. Power is from Love. Truth is from Love. This is Orthodoxy. In the modern West their beliefs are derived from some principle that is akin to worldly power, divorced from virtue, whereas Love and so forth are nice additions. But when do they choose to follow the principle of Love, and when the principle of Authority (Facts/Faith/Pope only)? It is arbitrary. This is why it is contrived and false.
I want to express how much I've enjoyed your CZcams channel. It's clear that when you're on the path to success, you'll encounter some challenges, including people who may try to slander you. This can come from various quarters, whether it's from your fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, be they Catholics, Protestants, or Orthodox believers, or even from those with negative intentions. However, I want you to know that your videos are truly outstanding. Please don't change your approach; keep up the excellent work. Your content has profoundly impacted me, assisting me greatly in my faith journey, particularly as I explore Orthodoxy. Your dedication and the content you create are truly game-changers. Thank you!!☦
Yo Kyle. U do a good job. I was raised in a German/russian protestant church then lost all faith for almost 10 yrs after turning 15 or 16. I am now 23 yrs old trying to convert to orthodoxy. U helped a ton with understanding the orthodox church and faith, so yea u really do get the message out there, I mean u reached me, a random guy from Germany. God bless you and everybody watching this
There are many cases of people claiming people are going to orthodoxy for worldly reasons, sometimes it is true with a lot of morally unwell men and women these days. But for the most part people just cant grasp that people want to change for the correct reasons because the stone throwers cant wrap their head around it. As a woman that had a very rough past with morality and religion and converting to a very old school branch of Christianity that has gotten bigger lately, I have seen this many times. I've lost friends, been called some messed up things and have been showed some messed up memes about it targeted towards me. Sometimes gods grace just hasn't reached them in a way that makes them see the truth and they are bitter about it. That being said our goal is to be saints. All of us. Look at them with love and pray relentlessly, for them and yourself. If it is in his will it will happen. But on a positive note we have the service to pray for their salvation after death, there is still hope. I'm sorry you went through something like this, it can hurt. Your videos and pencils and prayer ropes we're the fire under my butt to convert and go to church. God bless you and thank you for your entertaining yet very straight forward content.
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@alfredpersson-br7yk Do what Jesus did and fend it off with scripture
Read the bible and pray and fast constantly against it
Remember 1 john 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
@alfred385Brother do the rosary everyday. And ask for freedom from lust in each mystery.
You need to read plot against the church.
I find it disagreeable the way you assert that orthodoxy is the sole path to salvation, which I respectfully deem inaccurate. Identification as orthodox, Catholic, or Protestant does not guarantee entry into heaven. The key lies in the belief that God sent His only son to redeem humanity. Salvation is contingent on unwavering faith, not denomination. Refrain from presenting orthodoxy as the exclusive route to salvation, acknowledging the diversity within Christian denominations. The perception of orthodoxy as flawless is misleading, given theological variations. Despite my frustration with the absence of a unified Christian church, it's essential to address the nuances of belief systems. Orthodox doctrine, notably the belief that the Holy Spirit proceeds solely from the Father, requires examination. A persuasive case for the authenticity of orthodoxy, considering the theological stance on the Holy Spirit, could prompt me to explore this faith further.
Actually catholics participate in the byzantine catholic eucharist see it as the one true eucharist of there the church ,but in it is Gregory Palamas as a saint from the proskomide .
I really hate when people use “denomination hopping” as an argument. There’s nothing wrong with people looking for truth and find out they’re wrong multiple times.
BREAKING NEWS: Humans unknowingly make multiple mistakes multiple times to find the correct way!
I went from Presbyterian to atheist to agnostic to nondenominational to Roman Catholic and then finally arrived home at Eastern Orthodoxy.
@@stephenlee1664six religions? How long did that take you lol
Literally the basis of the scientific method. God gives us all different challenges and paths
It actually IS wrong, because you can find the truth and be right the FIRST time. You dont need to keep on making the same mistakes over and over again in order to get something right! I know that I don't need to sorcery(pharmakeia) in order to know its going to temporarily and long term destroy me and send me to hell.
Funny that they’re accusing Kyle of being a chronically online Orthobro when they’re on Reddit….
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Was about to say this lol
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that's what I said!
Was raised Orthodox but became an athiest in my teenage years, now I've finally returned to orthodoxy. Glory to God
me too. Raised Orthodox, at 20 something had a fall where I lost my faith, and had to go through nihilistic depression for almost a decade before I found my faith again.
Glory to God for you both 🙏☦🙏
Same here!
I was raised Orthodox, got a bit deceived by Protestant teachings in my teens when I was still ignorant even to the point of me feeling weird venerating icons, but thankfully never left the church and grew stronger than ever in my Orthodox faith once I started learning.
Same
"I would rather be an atheist than orthodox"
many such cases. Lord have mercy
pray for him!
have never agreed with that statement more
@@John_Gillman Lord, have mercy. ☦️
@@klausdalang4936 There is no lord
@@John_Gillman Christ is Lord whether you accept Him or not.
“If this world hates you, remember, it hated me first.”
You should make an "if you're catholic" playlist
He should do that for an Heterodox POV. It would be very helpful for everyone.
@@OrthodoxGTyes I do believe that is more helpful
He did
Now he has
what's wrong with being catholic
I am a catechumen in the Orthodox Church and you have played a small role in my conversion from Protestantism. Although your role wasn’t big, I’m not sure if I would be here without you
Glory to God ☦☦
You can get well again there is always hope, Theism is not a permanent impediment.
Glory go God☝️☦️
@@MaximusAugustusOrthodox
May Zeus favor you endeavors..
@stultusvenator3233 I sure hope it's permanent.
As a Catholic, just found your channel. Im interested in researching orthodoxy and im happy i found this channel to help
Very happy for you,for me the same and now Im about to convert,God bless you on your way
Welcome to both of you!
Our family was baptized Good and Holy Saturday 2022 ☦
We were RCC
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Check out my videos on Trent Horn, Steve Ray, Michael Lofton, Brian Holdswroth!
reach out if you have questions! God bless!
I'm a former trad Catholic, now Orthodox. Best decision I've ever made! Praying for you!
God bless you ☦️
Redditors in action. My husband is a cradle Catholic, joining me in catechumens to EO now. (I was raised Baptist/New Age). Hes definitely doing more bouncing than an atheist who finds truth over time.
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." Its not wrong to critique and debate, but this was just a personal attack. Let us all pray for these Catholic brothers and sisters that they can be more Christ like. 🙌
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I actually made the meme at 6:59 referring to the smudging ritual, when the Pope came to Alberta (my home province) to do that. I’d already went down the trad Roman Catholicism pipeline. By that time, I considered going Byzantine Rite. Luckily I just skipped the silly Byzcath LARPing and went to a ROCOR 15 minutes away (in a city of about 100 000 people, so I was lucky there was one nearby). I wish I converted to Orthodoxy for a better reason than one of the many papal scandals, but what can I say, you just fall in love with the beautiful theology, that’s what kept me.
Can’t believe the Pope would partake in a pagan spiritual ritual… Oh wait, yes I can.
Is Fr. Michael from Living Orthodox your Priest now?
He is at a ROCOR Parish in Alberta.
@@acekoala457 he actually visited the ROCOR I attended and was baptized in! (Assumption of the Holy Virgin, Lethbridge), I was keeping up with that news with parishioners on their instagram page. I moved to Newfoundland to take care of some relatives about a month before his first visit, I currently attend an OCA Mission, Holy Lady of Vladimir, St. John’s now.
Edit: I just double checked the instagram and realized he moved there to be the priest! I hope my fellow parishioners enjoy his company!
I’m 17 and was already going to turn to Orthodoxy after God revealing it as the truth to me and your videos just reinforce my choice. Thank you!
Glory to God!
God revealed to me as truth that what you are saying is a complete lie.
"Have you had too many pints with Aquinas?" had me rolling!
Classic Ethnic Argument:
Catholics: "Orthodoxy is too ethnic"
Also Catholics: "Why aren't you Catholic?! You're a Mexican!!" 🤬
ICXC☦NIKA
Be specific MOST ROMAN CATHOLICS. Let us pray for them
We don't have a Mexican Catholic Church vs the Russian Orthdox Church I think is the point we are making lol.
"For now the video is called 'Internet Orthodox vs. r/catholicism'
but i'm thinking more... 'orthodoxy vs coping' "
haha
"muh antisemitism"
oh how catholicism has fallen
Lol Catholics hate Judaism more than anyone else.
Just wait till he finds out the Good Friday mass used to have a prayer for "the decietful and untrustworthy Jew"
That’s one thing I don’t get about the European church over time is the development of anti-Semitism among some some Christians it wasn’t a thing in the early centuries, and only criticisms of Judaism specifically the religious Jews that rejected Jesus as Messiah.
@@justchilling704 Its because in early Christianity, usery of any kind was forbidden. However, Jews were free to perform usery, so usually they were banks and loaners. Theres not much point for a Christian who couldnt gain interest to be a banker or loaner. So usually what happened is a Christian or Christian emperor/king/pope would borrow money from the Jewish banks and then not be able to pay them back. So they would get out of it by calling them Christ killers and either banning them from the city/country or by outright killing them. That is how the myth of the all powerful and money hungry Jew came about
@@DANtheMANofSIPAbut how much of a “myth” is it really when bankers held power over emperors and kings?
When they can’t beat your argument they attack your character ☦️☦️☦️ keep on doing your thing, your videos are top tier
No more abused children shut down the Catholic Church save the children.
@Kyle,
Here is an orthodox christian in a "traditionally orthodox" country - Bulgaria. I am thanking God seeing pure orthodox faith in a country so far away.
Brother, I am writing you with an urgent request to raise a voice in defense of orthodoxy against avarice (simony) that holds in captivity (almost) the whole of the orthodox church in the east (in Bulgaria for sure).
I am speaking about the practice of requiring money (taxes) for performing the sacraments on the faithful - there are taxes to get baptized, to marry and to be included in the prayers by the priesthood. There are no taxes for the Holy Mysteries probably only because it was directly condemned by the 6th Ecumenical Council.
I tell you, brother, there is not a single voice in my country condemning this abomination - so successful is this scheme of the dragon.
Please make a video about this proclaiming the eternal orthodox belief condemning avarice (simony) in the most severe terms.
sorry to hear that! send me more info, Iw will pray. God bless!
Ask for the Intercessions of St. Raphael of Brooklyn. He fought against Simoniacs in his Homeland in Syria while in Exile.
Taxes for any of the Sacraments is condemned at the 6th Ecumenical Council, including Marriage, Baptism, Ordination.
Look I'm from Greece. We have a similar tradition here for sacraments like baptism and wedding. If you want to make a baptism or a wedding for free because you can't afford one, you can. BUT, if you're having a glamorous and expensive ceremony it's really cheapy on you not to give something to the church. Don't forget that people like the chanter and the guy's keeping up/cleaning the church and helping the priest during the sacrament need to get paid nowadays because they take time from their day to be there for you. You see guys having a $5000-$10000 wedding feast for 300+ guests and cheap out and complain for the $50-$200 the church asks for the people I mentioned and the electricity...For all the other simple prayers giving money is optional here ($1-$5 totally on you). The worst thing that can happen if you don't give anything is a weird look but it's really rare tbh.
Kyle, just like you say in this video: your short and precise videos on Orthodoxy actually sparked my interest and curiosity enough to even go and check out all of the longform guys. I'm sure many would say the same.
You're filling your niche just fine; these guys are just angry because of their inability to defend their "West is the Best!" mindset from your arguments.
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Kyle, I had heard about Orthodoxy years ago from Tristan Haggard (known as Primal Edge Health at the time) and never really delved into it when I was finding my faith and my way back to Christ. I eventually fell into Protestantism because I knew nothing about apologetics for Christian denominations, just that Christ was God and Christianity was true. I stumbled upon your page several months ago and through binge-watching you, as well as Jay Dyer and many other Orthodox Christian channels and joining the Orthodox discord, I decided to become Orthodox. I attended my first divine liturgy just over a month ago and have now been in contact with the Father of that church, I'm currently an inquirer but hope to become a catechumen and eventually a full part of this church. Thank you.
Glory to God ☦
@@OrthodoxKyle I'm gonna start saying that when ppl compliment/thank me now
@@basementlm4200Glory Glory hallelujah! Glory Glory hallelujah!
The best shitposting is when one backs it up with the truth, and that's why Kyle has always top-tier content.
In the early 2000s, I spent a lot of time over 5 years or so engaged in arguing apologetics w/ CS Lewis Society. The best apologists in our group were a RC, a Reformed protestant, a secular philosopher and a skeptic. I was vaguely protestant myself at the time and got my lumps and also several lumps "in" as it were, too. The main takeaway from all of the time and research I spent was that the intellect is barely a problem. It's the heart that is the problem. One particular protestant (a Baptist preacher) was mean-spirited towards our RC host/moderator, but the moderator would not engage in specific doctrinal disputes, resigning himself to a "mere Christianity" vs secular/atheist argumentation instead. The Baptist made some snide remarks about the Eucharist which were even offensive to me. So I took up his challenge to "prove" the Eucharist as RC's understand it. He conceded in the end saying that he still couldn't accept the facts I had delivered, but he was thankful that I was on the Christian side of the argument. This left me with a dilemma of my own. As a protestant who had now sufficiently *proven the "Real Presence", how could I remain protestant myself? I couldn't.
I like to tell people now that I spent many years doing Christian apologetics and the only person who ever converted was me. Ultimately, I ran into the same issues with the RCC as you have elucidate time and again, and it left me despondent, tbh. I didn't actually grasp and had not looked closely enough at the differences between EO and RCC to see the actual distinctions. Long story short, my wife and I were made Catechumens at our Antiochian parish just before Lent this past winter and are now firmly on the path to reception into full communion next Pascha.
I'm not a big believer in the efficacy of apologetics, for the reason(s) stated above. It has value to the individual who chooses to actually engage the arguments with a clear eye on their own motives, but aside from that, I find little to recommend in apologetics--viewing it as one tool in the box rather than the go-to hammer that fixes most things. That said, exposure to argumentation can be the catalyst for that individual to question their own assumptions, ignorance(s) and motivation, and it does hold value in that regard. In the end, it still comes down to the heart far more than the head and has much more to do with intellectual pride than it does with heartfelt humility and/or concern for the Truth, imo.
"word salad" is what someone says when they can't rebut any philosophical, metaphysical, or logical arguments
This just means that your content is effective. We need a kyle in the community, keep up the great work
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Hey, Kyle! I'm a Presbyterian Christian, and I've been watching your stuff for a while. You've given me a lot of insight towards Orthodox Christianity, and I'm considering converting to it (given more time and research). I want to thank you for giving me this vast pool of knowledge towards Orthodox Christianity :]
Awesome! you should get the book Rock and Sand by Fr Josiah Trenham, he was Presbyterian, not Orthodox Priest
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reach out if you have questions
@@OrthodoxKyle *he was Presbyterian, "now" Orthodox priest
Important for context 🤓
A former Catholic raised and born into it, it’s changed simply from my childhood I can only imagine how much they’ve changed from my grandparents in the 60’s, MOST CATHOLICS don’t know anything more then your low level Protestant I.e. biblical stories/gospels and that’s about it
Great video Kyle. I’m Protestant but I have to say, your videos have made me grow curious about orthodoxy. I have to admit that there are a few things I don’t understand about it though.
Get the book Rock and Sand by Fr Joisah Trenham! Come visit a Church: orthodoxyinamerica.org/
reach out if you have questions (:
@@OrthodoxKyle I’ll definitely look those books up, although I’m not American, and I don’t live there so I’ll have too see if there are any orthodox churches near where I usually am.
Another book recommendation is "The Truth of Our Faith" by Elder Cleopa of Romania
@@Fallen_2003what country do you live in?
@@OrthoLou I’m a student, so I jump between the UK (where I study), Belgium (where I’m from) to visit my grandparents, and the UAE (where my parents live)
Kyle your channel is goated. It’s easily digestible for zoomers but also very informative. Keep going God’s work. ☦️
Great for boomers too lol
No more abused children shut down the Catholic Church save the children.
Kyle you you were one of the people who helped me convert to Orthodoxy, including Jay Dyer.🎊
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JAY JAY JAY DYER DYER JAY DYER!
“Have you had too many pints with Aquinas?” 😭💀
"They couldn't answer my questions." Well that sounds familiar. Not knowing is fine, and so is asking questions. But when one's only response, while being confronted with new information, is to personally attack the person giving it, they are never in the right.
Thank you for making these videos, truly their only attampt at an argument against Orthodoxy is to strike at your character, it is very disappointing. Pray for them ☦️
A lot of people “bounce” around trying to find the truth. Funnily enough, most will stop bouncing around once they find Orthodoxy. Unless they are stuck in modernism. Even still, many will go back. I pray the Catholics put their full trust in Jesus Christ and not the Pope. ☦️🙏🏻
Protestants say the same thing about your bishops lol. You guys are so hypocritical
@@Iustusxi 1 Timothy 3:1 “If a man desires the office of a bishop, he desires good work.” Bishops have been around since the beginning. Protestants also have them in their churches. The Orthodox recognizes, however, that a bishop is also just a man and therefore fallible. The Pope, according to the Catholics is not. Having bishops within the church is not hypocritical. it might do you some good to do further research on orthodoxy. Matthew 12:36 I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgement.
@@jlynn5680 lol where are you pulling this from. We don’t think the pope is God, or anything else. Hes just the bishop of Rome. The pope has always been an office in the Church.
@@Iustusxi Have you read Vatican II's Dogmatic Constitution on the Church Written by Pope Paul VI? I think you would find No. 25 interesting.
You're a good man Kyle. Something I've learned is that as we grow, we leave behind those who were unable to grow themselves. It's extremely hard, especially when you really care about them, but you have to learn how to live how YOU are supposed to live, not let others force their ways down your throat.
I remember feeling like I needed to help them, to lead them away from what I saw was a dark path, but I've realized that the only reason I was able to leave that path myself was my own intuition changing and my mindset shifts. Nothing anyone directly said to me made me grow, but only consistent failure and self-thought did.
Your editing is funny. You are a cool youtuber. 😃
thanks!
Keep up the amazing work Kyle & Lord Have Mercy on your trolls.
“whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God”
God Bless, Kyle! ☦️
I am so joyful about your enthusiasm for the Holy Orthodox Traditions, and your no-bullshit way of saying things like they are :D . Thank you for showing such faithfulness to Truth! God bless you and the continuation of your channel
thanks! God bless!
Sorry that happened man. I had the same thing happen, though in a different setting.
My father, my old pastor, and some friends, said the same thing.
That I "bounced around" from my cradle church (Lutheran) to agnostic, and back Lutheran. This wasn't a problem until I converted to Orthodoxy!
Now, I'm just an idiot who doesn't really know Jesus because I bounced around. Real fun.
I see a striking difference in values, dignity and integrity between You and these people. Keep going Kyle
pray for them 🙏🙏
I would love it if I was helped making a "discernment ministry pipeline to Orthodoxy" since I've had an interesting ride from non-denominationalism to Orthodoxy which took me through the Missouri synod Lutherans.
Same man
Eugenia Constantinou is a biblical scholar who taught at a Catholic seminary. This has led to understanding Catholics in a very unique way. She has put our a four-part series "Thinking Orthodox" where she discusses many differences between Orthodoxy and Catholicism. Highly recommended.
I’m catholic and I love your channel. I just skip the anti catholic videos. Your editing style is awesome and hilarious. I love when you put in the scary chilling music and the “wrong” And the grunt sound and all that lol
thanks haha!
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@@OrthodoxKyle orthodox is not the true chruch. its wired to say catholism is not the true church and it broke away but orthodox didn't.
@@Jonathan-tw4xmCorrect.
@@bornbranded29Incorrect.
Although I'll only be able to formally convert and attend a Church if I move to another city/country because of the scarce presence of The Church in my country, I think discovering Orthodoxy, through your channel by the way, was one of the happiest and most fulfilling moments in my life. Thank you, Kyle
Thank you so much, check this out: kurskrootlodge.net/ParishLocator
God bless
Kyle accused of anti papacy and anti semitism -> we love him more
As a Catholic i have to apologize for this behaviour towards you from our people...
I’m sorry that happened to you, Kyle. Praying for you and those who slandered you, God bless. ☦️
In Roman catholicism, it is radical to be traditional, in Orthodoxy, it is normal to be Traditional.
couldnt of said it better myself.
big words = wordsalad
I personally don't have anything against Orthodoxy, but Kyle makes me wanna to speak up for the Catholic church. This just came off like a childish rant. I would have to ask that there be better communication between Catholics and Orthodox Christians.
ad hominem, not an argument.
Same, as a Catholic who really respects Orthodoxy but intellectually and spiritually knows Catholicism has the fullness of the truth, it's next to impossible listening to Kyle and other "Orthodox apologist" who scream and shout bs.
Why do people always throw in there terms like , retort, rebuttal, refutation, ad hominem and other intro to logic vacab? It's like they pretend to be lawyers.
We're not all going to go back and forth with. I don't think I came off silly. My comment was pretty simple to begin with. So I don't expect hot headed people to get riled up so easily.
Some CZcamsrs post nothing but hate or slanderous videos about the Catholic church, but I for one think the faith of the Christian Orthodox Church is a beautiful faith. God would surely welcome you into his kingdom. As well as many Catholics.
We're not gonna agree on everything I suppose but we're not opposed to each other. We both want to protect the church and fulfill God's commands. We want to be better Christians and perfect our faith as best we can. Let's use our time wisely.
Same here
Great video Kyle. Catholics will complain about how we are "mean" or "larpers" but they never adress our arguments.
That's why humility and love is so important! Don't give them a chance to strawman and treat them with patience!
There wasn’t an argument made in the post. The post was about Kyle himself so that’s why I made my comment about him. If it were Kyle who made the post and made arguments I would’ve replied to whatever arguments were made but that’s not what the post was about.
That former Catholic friend of yours that said he would rather be an atheist than Orthodox showed his true colors. St Gregory Palamas in his debates with Barlaam said that the essence of Latin Catholicism eventually leads to atheism.
Very true. Seeing this with our oldest son.
The thing that kept me away from Christianity when I was kid was, I didn't know the differences between denominations and assumed all Christians were like Catholics. Soon as I discovered Orthodoxy, I left Islam and converted to Christianity.
And I still hate Catholics 😂
Don't hate Catholics.. pray for them! Glad you found Orthodoxy. God bless!
sad to see people slandering you, I hope you don't pay too much attention to them, keep up the good work kyle!👍
pray for them 🙏
No more abused children shut down the Catholic Church save the children.
Usual shady Catholic behaviour, very "Mean Girls"-esque.
Kyle, your channel is an instrument that has helped many young people like me grow in learning and understanding the early church history and theology as well as the current affairs of the church. Keep doing what you're doing brother. "Blessed are those who falsely accuse you and punish you because of Me" matthew 5:11.
The person who left the initial comment is just confused seeing somebody make actual life changes based off new information in pursuit of the the truth. Using the term “bounce around” in reference to a secular atheist person finding faith in Jesus Christ at any point is crazy. Shame on them
So much respect to you Kyle, you're an inspiring guy, it's tough losing friends for the truth, but God bless those who do.☦️☦️☦️
"He who loses his life for my sake shall find it"
Very impressive you left your friend group to pursue what is right.
Such things happen. I had to leave modernistic western spirituality for it as well, though many of them weren't really that good of friends, nor was the relationship so stable because it doesn't really have a shared value system. I'll definitely check out your works on orthodoxy. I came from a protestant place geographically myself, so I never got deep into catholocism. I heard the criticism of papal ineffability before, and heard other people I respect also find grace in orthodoxy.
So yeah will check it out. I also make videos regarding Christianity as a recent convert. Peace
Bouncing is not bad in my opinion. I have searched, read, and ask people about their religion because I did really want to believe something, participate in a parish, any parish. And this "searching time" took 10 years! I'm not joking, I did my search for 10 years. Now I'm 24, found the way, Orthodoxy. But before Orthodoxy, I thought the way is Orthodox Judaism, before that Catholicism, Protestantism, Islam, New Age things... I'm glad finally I'm home, and I'm glad that God let me do my search in my way and let me learn the World. Because thanks to this, I do not have any questions about Orthodox Christianity.
God bless ☦☦
As long as the bouncing settles where one belongs, Christ's Church, then it may be beneficial for someone's soul to know the falsehoods but always to temper it with the truth.
The Catholic kid slandering you is supposed to treat you as a brother, regardless of you converting to Orthodoxy. His pope commands him "Treat Orthodox as brothers; they're your separated brethrens with valid sacraments. Don't proselytise Orthodox Christians, they're our brothers!"
And with the other hand he robs Orthodox monasteries in Ukraine...
Praying for you brother, I hope you are well. Its not easy to leave friend groups or make big life changes for your faith. From what Ive seen you always present yourself with texts and facts. Keep doing good work!
No more abused children shut down the Catholic Church save the children.
Yeah the catholic guy in the video kind of a baby
pray for him!
tbh yeah he just seems misguided@@OrthodoxKyle
Kyle with the facts per usual! You popped up in my feed a couple months ago. I’ve been binge watching all your past videos. You clearly (but quickly lol) explain your points. Bro I was lost a few months ago and now my wife and I are excited about our faith! Dude you rock! Keep doing God’s work man! By the way get your dictionary out lol I’m constantly looking up words.
Glory to God! Have you visited yet? orthodoxyinamerica.org/ Reach out anytime!
God bless!
The Catholic friend of yours slandering you reminds me of the deceitful, weaselly Catholic who went on one of Jay Dyer’s streams and initially claimed he wasn’t a Catholic (although he later had to confess that he was).
Much love to you Kyle, keep making content it is very much appreciated, enjoyable and educating.
When people are posting on reddit about you, you know you’re on the come up ‼️📈😂
haha
i pray for God to keep you humble. I never seen such brilliant man with such clear thinking embracing the truth and not falling to pride.
Your knowledge puts us born Orthodox in Greece at shame. Here the "war" is fierce. They attack our educational system and we lost our Christian values .If it wasn't for Mt. Athos and the prayers of our Holy Mother Theotokos i believe we would surely perish both physically and spiritually.
But seeing you gave me hope. God can bring people to truth anywhere in the world!! what a joy! Glory to God
thank you! God bless
I'm an inquiring prot. I tried to watch Jay Dyer but he is a bit above my academic paygrade so I watch videos that are easily digestible- mostly you, seraphim/kabane, and various monktubers. I was already curious, but I actually managed to go to a parish! Taking it slow though, but I'm going to see if I can make it this weekend as well. God bless you, you funny zoomer.
watch my playlist on becoming Orthodox: czcams.com/play/PL6eyVWFC0v8f7aOVmFtDRBBdTxpfO7k4w.html&si=1N9BR7dK1wNdINH7
Glory to God! take it slow and reach out if you have questions
I'm really sorry you lost your friends when you converted, I'm blessed mine began inquiring shortly after I did too, and I hope in time that your friends will come home to Orthodoxy too.
It's so funny to me when they argue with the "denomination hopping". In reality they don't care if you changed your mind thousands of times, as long as you end up submitting to Rome. They tried this against someone close to me too, he went from atheist, non-denom, inquired into catholicism and then Orthodoxy, they said he wasn't allowed to change his mind so many times, but they'd forgive him if he changed his mind one more time if he settled with catholicism... He wasn't even set on anything, just looking into things too, but they viewed him as a traitor.
Don't worry or bother with any accusations of "anti-semitism", it's all the barkings of a dog who has been cornered. Their last effort to put you on the defensive.
They sure do love saying "God sent the muslims and communists to punish you Orthodox", but I wasn't aware that catholics held a belief in prosperity theology. When they themselves are persecuted, they say "look, satan is attacking us because we are the True Church!", it's all nonsense.
The "qudasha of mar nestorius" was quite a major reason me and some friends ruled out catholicism, I'm glad you brought it up. Eastern catholics, the one group they say all Orthodox should become, they know so little about it, and they assume the only thing that mattes to us is aesthetics.
Thank you for reaching the Zoomer generation. My friends with shorter attention spans (no hate, not everyone can focus on very dense theological stuff with big words for hours) or less free time seem to really like your content.
The end of the video made me cry, thank you little apple man for your wisdom, truly Orthodoxy is the most beautiful thing we have here, because it alone leads us to Christ 🥺🙏
I got a genuine lol over "did you have too many pints with Aquinas?"😂
Could always do a compare of "saint" Mother Teresa, her friendship with Ghislaine Maxwell's father, a Mossad agent, as well as Hilary Clinton (and the orphanage they opened in D.C. that had children go missing from [and a Clinton office worker 'died' just before coming forward on the subject]).😱 at that point you MAY still want to talk about the Indian hospice center she ran where the nurses just washed used needles w water because "the patients were going to die anyways."😇😪
Vs... I dunno, someone like Elder Ephraim of Arizona, not even canonized yet.. but even my own parish priest saw him surrounded in a giant, brilliant light, brighter than the sun in broad daylight. Also said shortly before he died "soon the world will turn around and wear a mask." He reposed Dec 2019... a little over a month later mask mandates began in the U.S. Nevermind many of my personal friends who received blessings from him and said they could immediately sense tremendous grace, peace and holiness just being around him.
16:09 Something similar happened to me actually. I was debating with a Catholic who kept saying Orthodoxy was heretical, but still has valid sacraments. Apostolic Canons 45-46 refute this, early Church history refutes this. Heretics cannot have valid sacraments, and if Orthodoxy has valid sacraments, then we aren't heretics.
Back to the point, I think he realized he was losing, so basically he pinged every single Catholic and used the cheapest insult to make it look like he was winning. I'll paste his exact words here:
"@Catholic Look at this EO larper. The Filioque was apparently condemned but he’s not gonna tell me when or where 😂"
I had to deal with this for practically all his comments. We had switched from talking about Orthodoxy to the Filioque. He pinged every Catholic in the discord server just to make himself more powerful. He tried to attempt to use insults to make his claims true, but much to his demise. I pray for him, for he clearly doesn't understand early Church teachings.
The point of my comment is this. Many Catholic I've debated (at least 3-4) have said similar things. "Look at this EO fake Apologetic" "Look at this kid who thinks he understand big stuff" etc. These insults are terrible to use, it just makes the person I'm debating look like a fool. I never insulted anyone once because when I debate, I am actually serious and treat the other person with respect.
Another great one, Kyle!
Just as a side note, glad to see you've hit 17k subscribers! I remember subscribing to your channel when you only had about 700. Glory to God!
yes I remember you
8:55 Kyle's not mad, just disappointed 😢 hit like a ton of bricks after he spoke about his catholic friends so highly
I hope you'll find more solid friends in orthodoxy, kyle, god bless you☦️
I have met my BEST friends in Orthodoxy, it has been amazing! but I pray for old Catholic Friends!
@OrthodoxKyle that's great, keep my catholic dad in your prayers that he will find the fullness of truth☦️☦️
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Jesus is The King!
Very sad to see that you've been betrayed and slandered by someone you trusted. Real friends should respect each others beliefs and be there for one another. Pray for him and the rest of your Catholic friends. Your videos have been very helpful on my journey to Orthodoxy especially since I'm a bit of a slow boi with zoomer attention span. God bless.
thanks! pray for him! God bless!
I watch this channel just about every morning while getting ready for work. I love this channel. Keep up the awesome and helpful work, Kyle. Vhrist bless you. IC XC NIKA ☦️
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Hey Kyle, i like that your videos arent overly polite, disgustingly formal virtue signal presentations. Youre a young guy making tongue in cheek but honest content for people who want a straightforward message and I respect that. Anyone complaining that you should behave a certain way or that youre just a memer or a larper may be coming with good intentions, but theyre too focused on tearing apart your message and not lifting up the truth. Im not Orthodox (yet) and just a random guy but you inspire good in me, keep it up brother and God bless.
thank you (:
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Great video as always!
I have a wild, but plausible theory:
Maybe those Marian apparitions appeared when the Western Church had gone astray, telling them to repent.
interesting lol.. there is article on it: orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/marian_apparitions.aspx
Babe, wake up. A new Kyle vid just dropped.
"have you had too many pints with Aquinas" 😂
Inquired into orthodoxy after seeing one of Kyle's videos. Converted from being an atheist communist. Can't thank you enough for all your hard work
Glory to God! Would love to here you story in depth some day. God bless (:
Thus channel is almost completely anti-reddit now and I love it. Glory to God for all things and for keeping everyone watching this video alive and loved. ❤️☦️
You should make a video on the dialog between Robert Spencer and brother Rashid vs Daniel haquiqatou and the muslim metaphysician, the muslims said some wild stuff.
ok haha, I will look but Idk if I will have time
@@OrthodoxKyle they basically tried to make Christianity look like Islam, so they had a bizarre argument to say that Christianity has the death penalty for apostasy, and is ok with genocide.
I was baptised orthodox but my father was an atheist and my mother never went to church. at the age of 29 I returned to the orthodox church. I am 31 now.
What about the Eucharistic miracles, Apparitions, and other miracles like Guadalupe? Would God work doctrinal related miracles in false Churches?
Can you prove those miracles and Apparitions?
Pagans also have "miracles"...
As someone who came back to Catholicism after an atheistic haze in college your videos are captivating. I must admit I think it’s hard to check out or be open to Orthodoxy just because many of the churches are ethnically based.
Orthodoxy should be based? I don’t understand what you mean because a non based Orthodox Church isn’t a orthodox church
@@Eliyahu_777 I mean the churches are Greek, Serbian, Romanian, etc. It seems like most orthodox churches are designated for people that come from those cultures.
@@joshlovsbball no not really, I go to a Greek Orthodox Church and there are white people
@@Eliyahu_777 probably because Greek people ARE white 😂
@@Eliyahu_777 And that's not the point he's making, he's saying Orthodoxy as a whole is more ethnically-based, compared to Catholicism which lives up to the name (catholic meaning universal) where I go to mass and see Irish, Italians, Indians, Spanish, Mexicans, Native Americans, Asians, etc.
This doesn't disprove Orthodoxy, but you have to admit Catholicism even if you consider it false, is way more universal.
They should ask their priests if slandering Orthodox Christians on reddit is a sin🤣
Might as well call you BOUNCY POGO STICK KYLE LOL 0WNEDDDDDDD
Kyle has been diagnosed with terminally online internet christian syndrome 😂😂😂 I wonder how many psychiatrists recognise the existence of such syndrome
9:22 Exactly. Catholicism begins with Scholasticism, which the Orthodox Fathers regarded as essentially atheism.
Scholasticism logically leads to Protestantism, which leads to Rationalism and then to Atheism.
The modern West moves back and forth between these extremes.
Their underlying commonality is that they have two inconsistent principles: they separate Authority (or why they believe and what is true) and Love.
These two principles that are inconsistent with each other, and thus one must apply them arbitrarily.
The one principle is the basis by which they believe: it is authority, reason or power.
That is the primary principle to which they must submit.
The other principle is love, compassion, and kindness. This principle is good and wise, and one should apply it.
But they cannot resolve the two principles into one governing principle of when they should submit to the Authority and when they should act according to Love.
Essentially, their belief system is inconsistent. This is why Atheism, Protestantism and Scholasticism are the same belief system.
It's either Facts only, or Faith only, or the Bible only, or the Pope only, some powerful Authority and that is the source of Truth for them.
This source does not have to be loving - it must be followed nevertheless.
And then issues of Love are secondary, desirable but cosmetic.
Watch on CZcams a short video by Bertrand Russel in his message to future generations: Facts only, but love is wise.
This is just another form of Protestantism, which is another form of Scholasticism.
It is the religion that thinks it perceives the essence of God and things, as if their mind can know the fulness of knowledge. They cannot distinguish essence and energies of nature.
In Orthodoxy, Belief and Practice are one.
Pride corrupts knowledge. Only one who makes progress in the virtues comes to know God, and our knowledge of God is always partial, which knowledge manifests humility.
All things derive from Love. Every doctrine, every belief, and every action should be governed and directed by Love.
Take for example ecclesiology: conciliarity is the principle of a community of persons sharing in common, which is love.
Take sacraments: the Lord performs all sacraments where two or three are gathered in his name: this is the image of the Trinity, which is Love, which is a community of persons sharing in common.
Every aspect of Orthodox belief and practice derive from the single principle of Love. Authority is from Love. Power is from Love. Truth is from Love.
This is Orthodoxy.
In the modern West their beliefs are derived from some principle that is akin to worldly power, divorced from virtue, whereas Love and so forth are nice additions.
But when do they choose to follow the principle of Love, and when the principle of Authority (Facts/Faith/Pope only)? It is arbitrary. This is why it is contrived and false.
Kyle and I have the exact same music taste, I recognize literally all of the background music he uses
I want to express how much I've enjoyed your CZcams channel. It's clear that when you're on the path to success, you'll encounter some challenges, including people who may try to slander you. This can come from various quarters, whether it's from your fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, be they Catholics, Protestants, or Orthodox believers, or even from those with negative intentions. However, I want you to know that your videos are truly outstanding. Please don't change your approach; keep up the excellent work. Your content has profoundly impacted me, assisting me greatly in my faith journey, particularly as I explore Orthodoxy. Your dedication and the content you create are truly game-changers. Thank you!!☦
thank you for this comment! have you visited a Church yet? God bless!
Reddit: not even once
Classic RC move. Ignore all arguments and attack the person/ do emotional appeals.
That doesn’t have anything to do with being Catholic it’s just a person with a low level of emotional maturity.
Yo Kyle. U do a good job. I was raised in a German/russian protestant church then lost all faith for almost 10 yrs after turning 15 or 16. I am now 23 yrs old trying to convert to orthodoxy. U helped a ton with understanding the orthodox church and faith, so yea u really do get the message out there, I mean u reached me, a random guy from Germany. God bless you and everybody watching this
You should make a series of short videos. Simplified orthodox facts. Talk about revelation 22:1
"I would be an atheist rather than an orthodox"... Wth?
He said he would rather be catholic than atheist what did you hear?
nah that’s crazy. supposed followers of Christ don’t slander other followers of Christ. praise God
There are many cases of people claiming people are going to orthodoxy for worldly reasons, sometimes it is true with a lot of morally unwell men and women these days. But for the most part people just cant grasp that people want to change for the correct reasons because the stone throwers cant wrap their head around it.
As a woman that had a very rough past with morality and religion and converting to a very old school branch of Christianity that has gotten bigger lately, I have seen this many times. I've lost friends, been called some messed up things and have been showed some messed up memes about it targeted towards me. Sometimes gods grace just hasn't reached them in a way that makes them see the truth and they are bitter about it.
That being said our goal is to be saints. All of us. Look at them with love and pray relentlessly, for them and yourself. If it is in his will it will happen. But on a positive note we have the service to pray for their salvation after death, there is still hope.
I'm sorry you went through something like this, it can hurt. Your videos and pencils and prayer ropes we're the fire under my butt to convert and go to church. God bless you and thank you for your entertaining yet very straight forward content.