According to Dee Dee’s and Johnny’s autobiographies, Phil was immediately on a mission to “steal” Joey away from the Ramones. Phil loves Joey’s voice so much, and saw the rest of the band as just fillers. Their pre-recording audition consisted of the Ramones getting shoved into a dark, grimy practice hall and playing Rock and Roll Highschool miserably, as Phil walked in, put his briefcase on the ground, crouched down behind it, and started creeping at the Ramones from behind his briefcase. Dee Dee realized that there is something really off about Phil here. Then, Phil took Joey away for hours in his office. Dee Dee, being more impatient than the others due to his many addictions, stormed the office, only to be met by a gun pulled on him by Phil. Finally, weeks later as recording set in, Johnny, without telling his band mates, hopped on a plane back to New York. Dee Dee agreed with Marky that they should go too. So they did. Joey stayed. Joey was taken care of by Phil, and Joey was praised by Phil. That’s also part of the reason why Joey stays so silent in this interview (asides from the Linda situation).
Phil was a crazy son of a bitch, that's true. But it is also true that the ramones were not decent enough for a big record like that. Richie Ramone talked about how they could not play some songs due to Johnny being so bad at guitar or not liking to improve and change a bit the style of the band. He doomed the whole band to the ground. It all started going down when Richie left the band tbh. Dee Dee made GREAT songs but he was on a similar position as Johnny. Marky had some great drums in some records but he is not the best drummer the band ever had. Joey was a victim of the bully since he was a child and the fact that someone as big as Phil loved him made him feel big as him. I honestly think the record is good and that the other 3 band memeber were super jealous of Joey since that moment they knew they ALL can be replaced and were nothing special. Johnny ruined the whole band with his totalitarian shit and not wanting to improve as musicians. No clue why he sold all his guitars after 1996 to NEVER play one again. He was in for the money after this record.
Johnny was a hard working man. He'd never practiced in home. It was a work for him, you'll never take your hardwares to work with in home in your free time. That was Johnny's way of thinking. And don't say things like he was in it only for money. Ramones was their job and he was in it very seriously, because that was their job to earn some money. They didn't had any "real" job like being a plumber or carpenter. Marky said once to Dee Dee "we're like rabbits, we like and need carrots and we'll have them if we earn them by doing what people like in rabbits. We don't have anything else than being a rabbits." Without Johnny's attitude Ramones could broke up in few years. Like Sex Pistols did.
@@marcinnowakowski997 "Without Johnny's attitude Ramones could broke up in few years". CJ says as much. They needed his iron fist to keep all those chaotic personalities together.
@@Tommy-TwigFan interesting perspective, but totally have to disagree with your POV here. The rest of the band were great musicians. Phil wasn’t innovating anything for the Ramones. He was sticking to the same formulas he knew in the 60’s, and didn’t want to learn from the beautiful simplicity of how deedee and Jonny worked. That’s what he should have built on. Here’s a prime example: the strokes last good album was probably their 3rd, which still received a lot of criticism for being lost. Half the album was disjointed. Their greatest work was their first album. Then they came out with the 4th, “angles”, which was a massive mess because the band started away from what made them great and original to begin with. The 5th an 6th albums were no better, and still lost. In comes legendary producer Rick Reuben, who produced their latest album, geniusely titled: The New Abnormal. Finally, the strokes are BACK. Why? Because Rick took to what made them a success in the first place (the strokes’ raw, powerhouse sound and simplicity of Is This It? album) and built on that-he facilitated the same formulae that worked, and brought his flare of excellence in making sure every song kept to that formulae seamlessly-adding of course into the equation that Julian Casablancas of the strokes was able to make more mature music by now, but still within that formulae of raw, simple beauty. That’s why the album finally put them back on the map. It’s too bad. But I do believe Phil as the big fault here. The ramones were already an established band with a good sound. Phil seems like he paid no attention to that, and decided he’d create a new band almost...with just Joey. It’s also a matter of opinion in the end right? I didn’t think the album was great at all. It didn’t sound like a ramones record at all. Very disjointed. It’s purely a Joey/Spector production. The ramones barely played any instruments on it.
Spector listening to the opening chord to Rock N Roll High School sounds about right. He's sensitivity to critics sounds right too. Producers like Spector and Brian Wilson COULD hear those little differences in takes, and that was their blessing and their curse
Possibly, except Brian's work shows unlike Phil's. It's hard listening to the records he produced 30+ years down the line with modern era headphones. Those early Lennon and Harrison LPs sound muddy and unrefined. Where as Brian penned Beach Boys albums like Pet Sounds, Smiley Smile and Love You still hold up to this day.
@@SagradaMascarita It's almost like *Brian Wilson comes from a newer generation....* 🙄🤌 Spector's recordings from the 50s and 60s are perfect. Movies, series, ad campaigns keep using them to this day... Comparing Spector's work in the 70s with Brian's work in the 60s is asinine: Brian Wilson can hardly translate his thoughts to music since the mid-80s, it's Darian Sahanaja from Wondermints who does all the technical stuff for him since the mid-90s. Also, Brian is prone to excentric bursts of hissy fits every now and then just like Spector, mainly because of drugs and personal traumas. And drugs.
My band played back up for Ramones in about 85 or 86 in ocean city Maryland....I spent the day with the band...Especially Dee Dee who asked me to help him score...One of best times of my life...I got to know them fairly well and will never forget it
I love Dee Dee interviews. Always makes me laugh by him just being himself. I always liked Johnny’s straight forward answers in interviews too, but Dee Dee interviews are the best. Just seemed like such a good hearted guy.
I used to agree. I think after hearing the recent release of pleasant dreams (New York mixes) I realized that a lot of the overproduction the Ramones had in the early 80’s really took away from their sound. They sound perfect when it’s raw rock and roll
Right. Joey and Marky really liked Phil. In his autobiography Commando he talks about how excited Phil was on working with Joey, he even called them ''Joey and the Ramones'' how hilarious it was to know that hahaha.
You gotta love frickin Dee Dee. I can listen to him all day long. I love the pinball story. "and I never met anyone like him and I hope I...ya know." Johnny laughing.
0:40 Dee Dee: He tried to be friends, but then he would, had a guns on him and then he wouldn't let me outta his house for a couple days, and then ya know... Johnny: (starts laughing....) I love them, hahaha!!!
Notice Joey (Jeff) doesn't sat a word. He was gentle, brilliant, SMART with money, and Johnny worked him too hard when he got sick, and charmed Lisa away from him. l don't think Joey ever quite got over that. Poor guy.
Really? I heard Joey would work HIMSELF to the point of becoming really tired. Johnny said they'd have a month or two off, meanwhile Joey would be working on a project during that time, and then he'd be complaining about how tired he was when he got back on the road.
stinkydo0d You're right concerning the earlier days. However, heard one of the drummers (a young kid), telling a story about when Joey was starting to get sick. He was so tired, and didn't look well at all. This drummer asked him, ''Why do you keep on? You should just stop, and enjoy yourself for the remainder of your life. Just take it easy'' Apparently Johnny got wind of that conversation and just blew his stack. ''You just do your job, and don't EVER talk to Joey about that again!'' That drummer felt that Johnny didn't really care about how sick Joey was getting. He wanted to get as much mileage out of the band as possible. That was what that drummer said straight up. l just don't remember his name.
from what I have read about Joey he got his fare share of women. Johnny did not steal his girl away she just naturally drifted away from Joey because she fell in love with Johnny. It was a true love because they were married right up to Johnny's death. Even Marky said in the, End of the Century documentary that Joey should have gotten the fuck over it after twenty years. Also, reading Joeys half brothers (Mickey Leigh's book) Joey had a major league mean streak in him as evident in this clip. He is seething with anger over Johnny's comments about Spector. I mean if looks could kill. I'm sure Joey was a good guy but lets face it he had to have a huge ego. The guy was treated like a God by a lot of people so he had to have a bit of arrogance about him.
Marky loves Phil so much that to this day he still denies that Phil pulled a gun on them while both Johnny and Dee Dee have said that it happened. Dee Dee said that Johnny got so fed up that he left the recording sessions and went back to New York then Dee Dee said fuck it I'm leaving to. According to Dee Dee he didn't play bass on that album . He has said " to this day I don't know who played bass on the album".
Both Marky and Dee Dee have a way of re-writing history. Of the three, Johnny is the most reliable source. I believe what Johnny says over what Marky and Dee Dee say.
No it isn't. It's incompetence. A great producer like George Martin would have figured out any issues or eq'ing that the intro chord needed. 12 hours just means you don't know what you're looking for.
@@bassinblue No. 12 hours means the guy had OCD and was a perfectionist to the point the chord had to be perfect, other people wouldn’t notice the difference but Spector did, he was a great producer, I know he was convicted of murder but it doesn’t change the fact the guy was possibly the greatest producer who ever lived, I like George Martin and I’m the biggest Beatles fan but the only thing he had going for him was the strength of their songwriting, there was something about Spector’s records that was just different and better. How could you possibly be incompetent when you’ve already produced and wrote several dozen of the most significant records in music history and with multiple artists?
Joey was the only one enjoying working with Spector. Phil liked Joey's voice and treated the rest of the band as Joey's band. Joey and the Ramones he used to call them and he did a lot of extra work with him while he ignored the rest. There are songs in the album that the band didn't even play at! (Baby I love you) The fall appart between Joey and Johnny was about to happen but Linda was still Joey's boyfriend at the time...
@@LetsGoMetsGo33 Marky also said that the drums sounded like shit and like a drum machine. You can't trust that piece of shit. He is not even the second best drummer player of the ramones.
Phil Spector turned a great record into a gem that will last for God knows how long... I understand the band's frustration at the time, but in retrospect working with Spector was a blessing
This video is from 1982, only two years after that happened. It's normal to feel overwhelmed for something so recent but I don't think they are so worried about it here lol
They became better musicians during this period of time 1979-82. Phil had a lot on it even though Johnny and Dee Dee were disappointed with the record. Their live shows and the Pleasant Dreams tour was amazing.
Greatest band of all time,it's unbelievable how long they managed to be together due to all of their's differences,but they all know how huge and important The Ramones are not only for the Rock n' roll but also for the music itself!
@@whitedwarf13 HA HA he couldn't produce jack squat by this time. He was FINISHED. Joey was the one pushing for Spector, .His arch enemy Johnny wasnt keen on it at all.
Johnny never even wanted joey in the band at all from day 1. It's only because dee dee and tommy had seen him perform before and convinced Johnny to let him in.
@@whitedwarf13 Mainly because it's mostly overwrought and neuters the Ramones' sonic power. No guts. Do You Remember Rock 'n Roll Radio, Danny Says and Rock 'n Roll High School work perfectly. The others are either sunk by muddy production or are weak in songwriting. Ditching Tommy as producer was a bad idea from the start.
Even the Paris Sisters remarked in 1961 that spontaneity was not Phil’s strength; shutting down and being uncommunicative until he decided what to do, but once he did there was magic. Others described his approach like knitting an Afghan in the dark. He would drive musicians crazy, and then it would all happen, like a sudden hiccup.
He was a real one off never any one like him before or since. Just insane how beautiful his records were but obviously that came with a lot of awful stuff. I don’t really have any problem just appreciating the music whilst knowing he was a monster but some do
I love Dee Dee, also how can you not love Joey??? and even though Johnny was kind of an ass, I love him too for keeping the band together. R.I.P to the greatest rock and roll band to ever live.
@@Tommy-TwigFan I dunno, heard his girlfriend left him for Johnny. He just harbored all of his resentment without talking about it leading to a rift in the band for the next 20 years. I get that you'd be mad if someone you liked left you for a bandmate, but that's life and not how grown ups deal with things. He also had some stupid feud with Marky and acted equally childish.
@drdawn86 And when he said "if you wanted to play his pin ball machine, he'd let you play for a minute then he'd say okay lets go in the other room..." Dee Dee sounded like a kid, I love it, hahaha... Mom, phil spector won't let me play his pin ball machine!!!
That Spector did a Album with them.....in Retroperspective......is Quite a Story! That ADDS Value to the Album in a Rock n Roll History Sense! I Love How Harsh and Real they are on Him, Johnny and Dee Dee! That makes it all even more Funny and Curios! This is Legendary Stuff....Dreams are Made of this. This is the Stuff Fans of Rock N Roll Want and Love! And when you go to the Record Dealer and get a Copy of that Album you have this Piece of History in your Own Hands! I for example will Buy that Album if I can get it just because of its Rich History! It makes the Album more Valuable.......
Great interview. Nice to see musicians not have to bullshit and sort of refrain from criticizing someone that they had a hard time with. They basically trash the guy with every word spoken.
+TheDukeOfPannekoeken In his first round 1978-1983 Marky wasn't equal. All decisions within te band were made by Johnny Dee Dee and Joey. There's no interview in that period with Marky Ramone
+DommyRamone ... Not true, Dommy. I read an interview with Marky in 1978 or 1979, in Creem or Hit Parader. He talked about adjusting from Richard Hell's art punk style to the Ramones "...finish one song and then into another, One-Two-Three..." approach. He spoke plenty, anytime he felt like it. I'm guessing that he was quiet in this interview for the same reason Joey was quiet: He liked working with Phil Spector.
+Holdenon3 Ok...I didn't know about that. He could say something like that. But look here..He couldn't say anything. Johnny would kill him. I know he liked to work with Phil, Joey too. He said that later like 100 times. I read it in Everett True's book when they were voting about the leather jackets on cover of EOTC Dee Dee and Joey voted against, Johnny voted for, and Marky didn't count. The same was with voting for Danny Fields. Marky wasn't full member back then. Why are Joey and Marky silent here? It was Dee Dee and Johnny against Joey. :) They just wanted to piss him off. If Marky was equal back than and allowed to speak then it would be another story.
Dee Dee Ramone on End of the Century: "I think that some of the worst crap I ever wrote went on that album." "To this day, I still have no idea how they made the album End of the Century, or who actually played bass on it."
@@busterthebear6756 i know haha i was just making a comment on how similar the parts are. Joey had also said its his worst vocal performance of his career
Joey's silence speaks volumes. It's painfully obvious he didn't feel the same way as Johnny and Dee Dee, but you can tell he was swallowing his pride, just for the sake of avoiding a fight.
those two were jealous because that moment they realise that they were replaceable people and useless on studio. At least DD made some good songs, unlike Johnny.
@@Tommy-TwigFan Which two are you referring to being jealous that they felt they were replaceable on studio? If you're talking about Joey being one of the two, that's totally not true.
Joey Ramone & Phil Spector had a lot in common, both were sort of outcasts & misfits. They understood each other. Joey was in awe of 1 of music's legends, Phil. Phil consented to Joey playing/doing a cover of "Baby, I Love You" after Joey & Brian Wilson of The Beach Boys suggested it. Phil had a heart...you just had to look carefully. I read somewhere where Phil said that The Ramones all were original, especially Joey. So yeah, Joey didn't say anything about Phil since he liked Phil...they both had O.C.D., to & may be were bullied in school. Plus unlike DeeDee & Johnny, they both were Jewish. Note how DeeD says, I wish I will never meet someone like him again, but they cut that part out abruptly...almost as if Joey kicks him off screen sayin shut the hell up
There must had been some kinda misunderstanding of the lot by the ramones or whoever had the idea to work with spector. I mean it's pretty obvious phil's forte was solo artists back in the 60's not the self contained bands of the 70's
It kinda shows the difference that probably spilt them apart. Joey wanted to go beyond there early records whilst Johnny whilst comfortable doing the same thing
Funny, "End of the century" is definetely my 3rd or even 2nd favorite Ramones album. Rock n roll high school, do you remember rock n roll radio?, danny says, chinese rocks, commando...
"... He had guns on him, and then he wouldnt let me out of his house for couple days..." Dee Dee allways says the unexpected. I love when he is in another video talking about pa system while he is tripping on something.
Joonas Lehtonen dee dee isn’t lying. phil spector’s own children accused him of locking them up and forcing them to do disgusting things even his ex wife had a gun pulled on her.
Good comments here. I like when dee dee says "Phil tried to be friends but then he had these guns and wouldnt let me out of his house for a couple days." Johnny laughs. 😂
Absolutely. Well like is maybe the wrong word but certainly respected him a lot and probably got a thrill out of making a record with the guy Who made be my baby. I don’t know if Joey or dee dee had the same feelings around Spectors work as certainly Joey did
@@leonconnelly5303 Marky, according to stuff he has said, genuinely liked Phil. He characterized their relationship as “drinking buddies “, drinking Manischewitz wine together. JoeyJoey, as you said, really respects Phil. He went on to work with Ronnie Spector (I happen to have seen them play together, Joey and Ronnie, at CBGB in October 2000. Joey has also produced music for her). And I understand that Joey was Phil’s favorite among the Ramones, his vocal range was not too dissimilar from his ex- wife. So I think they got on well. Johnny was a fan of rock ‘n’ roll and probably enjoyed the idea of working with Phil, but he was quite the hard ass in them days. So take him at his word here, he wasn’t happy. Dee Dee’s antipathy might be as simple as extra time in the studio (Phil required much more of them than previous producers) made it harder to get loaded on his substance of choice on any given night, lol.
@@timprescott4634 Well his music has to be separated from that and it’s some of the greatest ever created. They never said they hated him, they just had an issue with the way he worked and thought he was mentally unstable and used guns to assert control, he still gave them one of if not their most played and enduring hit in their cover of ‘Baby, I Love You’ which despite their initial protestations and negative reviews, has aged like fine wine.
End of the Century is arguably the Ramones worst album. Wasn’t heartfelt. Spector ruined everything he touched. Bottom line. Listen to these guys. Listen!
@robertdanielortiz I would just to point out that the Ramones did not complain about Phil's end product, they complained about Phil himself, and the way he operates. He screwed up Leonard Cohen's album a couple years earlier by telling him that "these aren't real takes", then disappeared with the tapes of Cohen singing only guide vocals. Dee Dee once said that he didn't know that anything was being recorded -- that it was all rehearsals. Phil is weird.
“Nobody else could hear the difference”. And that’s what made Spector the true genius that he was. He could hear shit that no one else could and had a supreme ability to turn a single note, chord or lyric into a massive hit. Wall of Sound
"End of the Century is just watered down Ramones. It's not the real Ramones." - Johnny Ramone. Phil Spector in 1980 might as well have been Bugs Bunny. He was past his use by date, and he really didn't get the essence of the Ramones. Ditching Tommy as producer was a mistake.
Can you guess which two like Phil and which two did not???? LOL He gave Joey his hit song , Baby I love you . As per Johnny's book nobody in the band played anything on that song . He was also pissed that they got tricked into taking the cover picture wearing no leather jackets.
@Holdenon3 Much has been written about the Anxiety of Influence one genius can place upon another. But what artists go through for the end result, is really only for them to worry about. If the result is beauty, then what have we to worry about? I chimed in because it seemed that the wrong thing was in focus here. Ramones saying Spector's process is wonky is like Keats trying to school Shakespeare on sonnet writing. That, and I know first-hand, Phil Spector brought radiant beauty into this world
I agree with the exception of Do You Remember Rock n Roll Radio, which is the one masterpiece recording on the album where the marriage of the Ramones and Spector clicked
Phil Spector was an excellent producer back in the day but there is no way he should have produced End Of The Century. The Ramones always had a hard and fast sound and songs such as Spectors classic Baby I Love You and the pseudo surf song Danny Says weren't really typical of their sound. Great songs individually but better suited IMHO to a Joey Ramone solo album in the future or something.
He is in jail, however, and is most likely to die before his release from prison, or will die shortly after his sentence ends in 2028 at age 89. He may be alive, but his career was over in 2003 after the murder of Lana Clarkson.
The way Johnny and Dee Dee destroy this guy is poetic
Joey's silence speaks louder than Johnny and Dee Dee
Marky’s thinking, “Hope this new wig looks good.”
New album, new wig.
Lmfao.
Makes you want to say take a look at your own self.
In Marky's book he claims Spector is NOT GUILTY of the murder he was convicted of. Marky's full of it.
But he looked really really good..
According to Dee Dee’s and Johnny’s autobiographies, Phil was immediately on a mission to “steal” Joey away from the Ramones. Phil loves Joey’s voice so much, and saw the rest of the band as just fillers.
Their pre-recording audition consisted of the Ramones getting shoved into a dark, grimy practice hall and playing Rock and Roll Highschool miserably, as Phil walked in, put his briefcase on the ground, crouched down behind it, and started creeping at the Ramones from behind his briefcase. Dee Dee realized that there is something really off about Phil here.
Then, Phil took Joey away for hours in his office. Dee Dee, being more impatient than the others due to his many addictions, stormed the office, only to be met by a gun pulled on him by Phil.
Finally, weeks later as recording set in, Johnny, without telling his band mates, hopped on a plane back to New York. Dee Dee agreed with Marky that they should go too. So they did. Joey stayed.
Joey was taken care of by Phil, and Joey was praised by Phil.
That’s also part of the reason why Joey stays so silent in this interview (asides from the Linda situation).
Phil was a crazy son of a bitch, that's true. But it is also true that the ramones were not decent enough for a big record like that. Richie Ramone talked about how they could not play some songs due to Johnny being so bad at guitar or not liking to improve and change a bit the style of the band. He doomed the whole band to the ground. It all started going down when Richie left the band tbh. Dee Dee made GREAT songs but he was on a similar position as Johnny. Marky had some great drums in some records but he is not the best drummer the band ever had.
Joey was a victim of the bully since he was a child and the fact that someone as big as Phil loved him made him feel big as him. I honestly think the record is good and that the other 3 band memeber were super jealous of Joey since that moment they knew they ALL can be replaced and were nothing special. Johnny ruined the whole band with his totalitarian shit and not wanting to improve as musicians. No clue why he sold all his guitars after 1996 to NEVER play one again. He was in for the money after this record.
Johnny was a hard working man. He'd never practiced in home. It was a work for him, you'll never take your hardwares to work with in home in your free time. That was Johnny's way of thinking.
And don't say things like he was in it only for money. Ramones was their job and he was in it very seriously, because that was their job to earn some money. They didn't had any "real" job like being a plumber or carpenter.
Marky said once to Dee Dee "we're like rabbits, we like and need carrots and we'll have them if we earn them by doing what people like in rabbits. We don't have anything else than being a rabbits."
Without Johnny's attitude Ramones could broke up in few years. Like Sex Pistols did.
@@Tommy-TwigFan the ramones were never about a musical exelence... that's why we love them
@@marcinnowakowski997 "Without Johnny's attitude Ramones could broke up in few years". CJ says as much. They needed his iron fist to keep all those chaotic personalities together.
@@Tommy-TwigFan interesting perspective, but totally have to disagree with your POV here. The rest of the band were great musicians. Phil wasn’t innovating anything for the Ramones. He was sticking to the same formulas he knew in the 60’s, and didn’t want to learn from the beautiful simplicity of how deedee and Jonny worked. That’s what he should have built on.
Here’s a prime example: the strokes last good album was probably their 3rd, which still received a lot of criticism for being lost. Half the album was disjointed. Their greatest work was their first album. Then they came out with the 4th, “angles”, which was a massive mess because the band started away from what made them great and original to begin with. The 5th an 6th albums were no better, and still lost. In comes legendary producer Rick Reuben, who produced their latest album, geniusely titled: The New Abnormal. Finally, the strokes are BACK. Why? Because Rick took to what made them a success in the first place (the strokes’ raw, powerhouse sound and simplicity of Is This It? album) and built on that-he facilitated the same formulae that worked, and brought his flare of excellence in making sure every song kept to that formulae seamlessly-adding of course into the equation that Julian Casablancas of the strokes was able to make more mature music by now, but still within that formulae of raw, simple beauty. That’s why the album finally put them back on the map.
It’s too bad. But I do believe Phil as the big fault here. The ramones were already an established band with a good sound. Phil seems like he paid no attention to that, and decided he’d create a new band almost...with just Joey.
It’s also a matter of opinion in the end right? I didn’t think the album was great at all. It didn’t sound like a ramones record at all. Very disjointed.
It’s purely a Joey/Spector production. The ramones barely played any instruments on it.
"Like a man walkin' his last mile. Ya know? That grim..." LOL Dee Dee is hilarious.
Geez, are they talking about phil spector or arthur morgan,
translate in spanish
parecia un hombre caminando su ultima milla.Asi de severo
Seems he was just being honest lol
like a poet.
They say there is a fine line between genius and insanity. Phil Spector proved it. He, sadly, crossed that line.
This is a great interview. They're honesty and articulation is superb.
Dee dee is such a likeable dude
It's a sad irony that Phil Spector outlived Johnny, Dee Dee and Joey.
No its not
Not really.
Drugs and cancer would do that to you.
And he took a life also
@@aurozappa305
Allegedly, but maybe not.
Spector listening to the opening chord to Rock N Roll High School sounds about right. He's sensitivity to critics sounds right too. Producers like Spector and Brian Wilson COULD hear those little differences in takes, and that was their blessing and their curse
Let's ignore the pulling a gun on them and his other, well documented "issues."
Possibly, except Brian's work shows unlike Phil's. It's hard listening to the records he produced 30+ years down the line with modern era headphones. Those early Lennon and Harrison LPs sound muddy and unrefined. Where as Brian penned Beach Boys albums like Pet Sounds, Smiley Smile and Love You still hold up to this day.
Daniel Saldívar complaining about a Phil Spector record being “muddy” is like complaining about Orson Welles shooting in black and white
@@jdoncbus why he was a NUT JOB.
@@SagradaMascarita It's almost like *Brian Wilson comes from a newer generation....* 🙄🤌 Spector's recordings from the 50s and 60s are perfect. Movies, series, ad campaigns keep using them to this day...
Comparing Spector's work in the 70s with Brian's work in the 60s is asinine: Brian Wilson can hardly translate his thoughts to music since the mid-80s, it's Darian Sahanaja from Wondermints who does all the technical stuff for him since the mid-90s.
Also, Brian is prone to excentric bursts of hissy fits every now and then just like Spector, mainly because of drugs and personal traumas.
And drugs.
My band played back up for Ramones in about 85 or 86 in ocean city Maryland....I spent the day with the band...Especially Dee Dee who asked me to help him score...One of best times of my life...I got to know them fairly well and will never forget it
Don Rice That's so cool.....what was the name of your band?
Don Rice, if you don't love me, lie to me ♥
Could you help me out too? Haha
don lice
Bullshit.
I love Dee Dee interviews. Always makes me laugh by him just being himself. I always liked Johnny’s straight forward answers in interviews too, but Dee Dee interviews are the best. Just seemed like such a good hearted guy.
junkies are the most "good" and sensitive people around. not joking its the truth.
And I love how Joey doesn't say anything 😂💗
Dee Dee was in Berlin with his parents until they eventually went to Queens I wonder how long it took him to pick up the Queens accent
I know the disdain for Phil but man those records on that album were amazing. Still listening all these years later. It never stops
It's literally the greatest sounding album I've ever heard. It forces goosebumps on me.
I used to agree. I think after hearing the recent release of pleasant dreams (New York mixes) I realized that a lot of the overproduction the Ramones had in the early 80’s really took away from their sound. They sound perfect when it’s raw rock and roll
Don't listen to too many albums, do ya?
It is a great album and it wasn’t Spector’s production that was the problem, some of the songs weren’t up to scratch
This should have been titled "Johnny and Dee Dee Ramone comment on Phil Spector"
Joey and Mark liked him
1967PONTIACGTO I think it was joeys idea to work with him and Marky still defends Phil to this day
Everyone was scared of Johnny lol Johnny was like the boyfriend or husband who asks his girlfriend or wife why do you talk so stupid
Right. Joey and Marky really liked Phil. In his autobiography Commando he talks about how excited Phil was on working with Joey, he even called them ''Joey and the Ramones'' how hilarious it was to know that hahaha.
You gotta love frickin Dee Dee. I can listen to him all day long. I love the pinball story. "and I never met anyone like him and I hope I...ya know." Johnny laughing.
0:40
Dee Dee: He tried to be friends, but then he would, had a guns on him and then he wouldn't let me outta his house for a couple days, and then ya know...
Johnny: (starts laughing....)
I love them, hahaha!!!
Notice Joey (Jeff) doesn't sat a word. He was gentle, brilliant, SMART with money, and Johnny worked him too hard when he got sick, and charmed Lisa away from him. l don't think Joey ever quite got over that. Poor guy.
Really? I heard Joey would work HIMSELF to the point of becoming really tired. Johnny said they'd have a month or two off, meanwhile Joey would be working on a project during that time, and then he'd be complaining about how tired he was when he got back on the road.
stinkydo0d You're right concerning the earlier days. However, heard one of the drummers (a young kid), telling a story about when Joey was starting to get sick. He was so tired, and didn't look well at all. This drummer asked him, ''Why do you keep on? You should just stop, and enjoy yourself for the remainder of your life. Just take it easy'' Apparently Johnny got wind of that conversation and just blew his stack. ''You just do your job, and don't EVER talk to Joey about that again!'' That drummer felt that Johnny didn't really care about how sick Joey was getting. He wanted to get as much mileage out of the band as possible. That was what that drummer said straight up. l just don't remember his name.
That was Richie Ramone
***** Thanks! l'll never forget that. Poor Jeff. He should have been able to grow old and enjoy himself.
from what I have read about Joey he got his fare share of women. Johnny did not steal his girl away she just naturally drifted away from Joey because she fell in love with Johnny. It was a true love because they were married right up to Johnny's death. Even Marky said in the, End of the Century documentary that Joey should have gotten the fuck over it after twenty years. Also, reading Joeys half brothers (Mickey Leigh's book) Joey had a major league mean streak in him as evident in this clip. He is seething with anger over Johnny's comments about Spector. I mean if looks could kill. I'm sure Joey was a good guy but lets face it he had to have a huge ego. The guy was treated like a God by a lot of people so he had to have a bit of arrogance about him.
Marky loves Phil so much that to this day he still denies that Phil pulled a gun on them while both Johnny and Dee Dee have said that it happened. Dee Dee said that Johnny got so fed up that he left the recording sessions and went back to New York then Dee Dee said fuck it I'm leaving to. According to Dee Dee he didn't play bass on that album . He has said " to this day I don't know who played bass on the album".
Both Marky and Dee Dee have a way of re-writing history. Of the three, Johnny is the most reliable source. I believe what Johnny says over what Marky and Dee Dee say.
Very honest, I like to see Jhonny and Dee Dee agree. In the other hand the silence of Joey say much about him. Respect for all of this guys.
Phil Spector spent 12 hours listening to the same chord, that’s true perfectionism.
No it isn't. It's incompetence. A great producer like George Martin would have figured out any issues or eq'ing that the intro chord needed. 12 hours just means you don't know what you're looking for.
@@bassinblue No. 12 hours means the guy had OCD and was a perfectionist to the point the chord had to be perfect, other people wouldn’t notice the difference but Spector did, he was a great producer, I know he was convicted of murder but it doesn’t change the fact the guy was possibly the greatest producer who ever lived, I like George Martin and I’m the biggest Beatles fan but the only thing he had going for him was the strength of their songwriting, there was something about Spector’s records that was just different and better. How could you possibly be incompetent when you’ve already produced and wrote several dozen of the most significant records in music history and with multiple artists?
@@j.c7719 Marvin, Barry and Al green we're all better.
@@Gggg-cq1ih Not really and Spector did it first.
That's true insanity
Joey was the only one enjoying working with Spector. Phil liked Joey's voice and treated the rest of the band as Joey's band. Joey and the Ramones he used to call them and he did a lot of extra work with him while he ignored the rest. There are songs in the album that the band didn't even play at! (Baby I love you) The fall appart between Joey and Johnny was about to happen but Linda was still Joey's boyfriend at the time...
nilguy79 *girlfriend
Truth.
Maybe that this was partly why it happened
Marky also liked working with Phil. He speaks highly of Phil's work, and says they were drinking buddies, and even stayed friends.
@@LetsGoMetsGo33 Marky also said that the drums sounded like shit and like a drum machine. You can't trust that piece of shit. He is not even the second best drummer player of the ramones.
Phil Spector turned a great record into a gem that will last for God knows how long... I understand the band's frustration at the time, but in retrospect working with Spector was a blessing
It is a great record. I fucking love it
This video is from 1982, only two years after that happened. It's normal to feel overwhelmed for something so recent but I don't think they are so worried about it here lol
They became better musicians during this period of time 1979-82. Phil had a lot on it even though Johnny and Dee Dee were disappointed with the record. Their live shows and the Pleasant Dreams tour was amazing.
Greatest band of all time,it's unbelievable how long they managed to be together due to all of their's differences,but they all know how huge and important The Ramones are not only for the Rock n' roll but also for the music itself!
The Ramones looked like the prefect Levi's advertaisment
Joey just sitting there all sour because he liked Phil Spector.
If Tommy would have produced that album it would have ranked up there with the first 3 albums. Listen to the live versions and you may agree.
the unique Spector production makes it one of the most memorable albums in their discography though
@@whitedwarf13 HA HA he couldn't produce jack squat by this time. He was FINISHED. Joey was the one pushing for Spector, .His arch enemy Johnny wasnt keen on it at all.
Johnny never even wanted joey in the band at all from day 1.
It's only because dee dee and tommy had seen him perform before and convinced Johnny to let him in.
@@whitedwarf13 Mainly because it's mostly overwrought and neuters the Ramones' sonic power. No guts. Do You Remember Rock 'n Roll Radio, Danny Says and Rock 'n Roll High School work perfectly. The others are either sunk by muddy production or are weak in songwriting. Ditching Tommy as producer was a bad idea from the start.
Dee Dee was a very smart Guy.
Even the Paris Sisters remarked in 1961 that spontaneity was not Phil’s strength; shutting down and being uncommunicative until he decided what to do, but once he did there was magic. Others described his approach like knitting an Afghan in the dark. He would drive musicians crazy, and then it would all happen, like a sudden hiccup.
He was a real one off never any one like him before or since. Just insane how beautiful his records were but obviously that came with a lot of awful stuff. I don’t really have any problem just appreciating the music whilst knowing he was a monster but some do
I love how casually dee dee talks about Phil pointing a gun at his head.
I know, it seemed he was more upset about the time he got to play on the pinball machine. 🤣🤣🤣
surely it was something that always happened to him lol
good interview ! i must say i really like end of the century! i think it sounds very good !!
"End of the Century" is to the Ramones as "Destroyer" is to Kiss.
Newscruiser Spearhead best song ever!
I love Dee Dee, also how can you not love Joey??? and even though Johnny was kind of an ass, I love him too for keeping the band together. R.I.P to the greatest rock and roll band to ever live.
Johnny was an amazing human being.
@@JMarinelli no
Joey was an ass too, they all were. But who cares they made great music
@@superstimulatedminotaur3681 Joey was not an ass lol he was by far the best person of those 4. CJ and Richie were good dudes too
@@Tommy-TwigFan I dunno, heard his girlfriend left him for Johnny. He just harbored all of his resentment without talking about it leading to a rift in the band for the next 20 years. I get that you'd be mad if someone you liked left you for a bandmate, but that's life and not how grown ups deal with things. He also had some stupid feud with Marky and acted equally childish.
@drdawn86 And when he said "if you wanted to play his pin ball machine, he'd let you play for a minute then he'd say okay lets go in the other room..." Dee Dee sounded like a kid, I love it, hahaha... Mom, phil spector won't let me play his pin ball machine!!!
Tee hee
Lol.......mooooooommmm
@addf
Dee dee’s high as kite in this interview. He’s almost grinding his teeth. That’s not common for seasoned drug users
That Spector did a Album with them.....in Retroperspective......is Quite a Story! That ADDS Value to the Album in a Rock n Roll History Sense!
I Love How Harsh and Real they are on Him, Johnny and Dee Dee! That makes it all even more Funny and Curios!
This is Legendary Stuff....Dreams are Made of this.
This is the Stuff Fans of Rock N Roll Want and Love! And when you go to the Record Dealer and get a Copy of that Album you have this Piece of History in your Own Hands! I for example will Buy that Album if I can get it just because of its Rich History!
It makes the Album more Valuable.......
Well maybe dee dee as nuts and unconventional as Phil clearly was. U should have went with the flo. u geniuses beat to their own drum.
Great interview. Nice to see musicians not have to bullshit and sort of refrain from criticizing someone that they had a hard time with. They basically trash the guy with every word spoken.
Two of them did
johnny and dee dee against joey phase
marky wasn't allowed to speak
joey and marky loved working with phil, especially joey.
he was his idol
+DommyRamone Marky wasn't allowed to speak? wtf?
+TheDukeOfPannekoeken
In his first round 1978-1983 Marky wasn't equal. All decisions within te band were made by Johnny Dee Dee and Joey.
There's no interview in that period with Marky Ramone
+DommyRamone Because he was the new guy? Richie and CJ were allowed to talk when they were new.
+DommyRamone ... Not true, Dommy. I read an interview with Marky in 1978 or 1979, in Creem or Hit Parader. He talked about adjusting from Richard Hell's art punk style to the Ramones "...finish one song and then into another, One-Two-Three..." approach. He spoke plenty, anytime he felt like it. I'm guessing that he was quiet in this interview for the same reason Joey was quiet: He liked working with Phil Spector.
+Holdenon3
Ok...I didn't know about that. He could say something like that. But look here..He couldn't say anything.
Johnny would kill him. I know he liked to work with Phil, Joey too. He said that later like 100 times.
I read it in Everett True's book when they were voting about the leather jackets on cover of EOTC Dee Dee and Joey voted against, Johnny voted for, and Marky didn't count. The same was with voting for Danny Fields.
Marky wasn't full member back then.
Why are Joey and Marky silent here? It was Dee Dee and Johnny against Joey. :)
They just wanted to piss him off. If Marky was equal back than and allowed to speak then it would be another story.
Dee Dee Ramone on End of the Century:
"I think that some of the worst crap I ever wrote went on that album."
"To this day, I still have no idea how they made the album End of the Century, or who actually played bass on it."
Truth for Tots “I think of that song I’m affected and just think ‘never again!’”
@@busterthebear6756??? we want the airwaves has the same chorus
Louie Salerno that’s what dee Dee said about the song
@@busterthebear6756 i know haha i was just making a comment on how similar the parts are. Joey had also said its his worst vocal performance of his career
Joey's silence speaks volumes. It's painfully obvious he didn't feel the same way as Johnny and Dee Dee, but you can tell he was swallowing his pride, just for the sake of avoiding a fight.
those two were jealous because that moment they realise that they were replaceable people and useless on studio. At least DD made some good songs, unlike Johnny.
@@Tommy-TwigFan Which two are you referring to being jealous that they felt they were replaceable on studio? If you're talking about Joey being one of the two, that's totally not true.
@@Boogieboy138 Johnny and Dee Dee were jealous of Joey. That is a fucking fact.
@@Tommy-TwigFan okay sure, point made, don't know what's up with the aggressive f bomb lol
@@Boogieboy138 just lold at this comment from a year ago
we're a happy family...
Phil was in a world of his own, these guy’s said the one thing that made sense rock ‘n’ roll is spontaneous!
WOW these guys nailed it on spector
Dee Dee always genius. When he said, - he likes -beauty to be instant- I’ll is brilliant for rock m roll.
Joey Ramone & Phil Spector had a lot in common, both were sort of outcasts & misfits. They understood each other. Joey was in awe of 1 of music's legends, Phil. Phil consented to Joey playing/doing a cover of "Baby, I Love You" after Joey & Brian Wilson of The Beach Boys suggested it. Phil had a heart...you just had to look carefully. I read somewhere where Phil said that The Ramones all were original, especially Joey. So yeah, Joey didn't say anything about Phil since he liked Phil...they both had O.C.D., to & may be were bullied in school. Plus unlike DeeDee & Johnny, they both were Jewish. Note how DeeD says, I wish I will never meet someone like him again, but they cut that part out abruptly...almost as if Joey kicks him off screen sayin shut the hell up
There must had been some kinda misunderstanding of the lot by the ramones or whoever had the idea to work with spector. I mean it's pretty obvious phil's forte was solo artists back in the 60's not the self contained bands of the 70's
Joey looks like a grunger in this video
It's a very thin line between A Genius and a madman they even fluctuate from one to the other.
"Phil Spector + Punk = dafuq?" was all they were saying...
It kinda shows the difference that probably spilt them apart. Joey wanted to go beyond there early records whilst Johnny whilst comfortable doing the same thing
Love how they blast Phil Spector and tell it like it was...no filter.
Funny, "End of the century" is definetely my 3rd or even 2nd favorite Ramones album. Rock n roll high school, do you remember rock n roll radio?, danny says, chinese rocks, commando...
The strange thing is Clarkson is burried in the same cemetary as Johnny and Dee Dee. HOPE they put Phill somewhere else.
Rock rock rock rock rock n roll high school
Richie wasn’t asking for the world! He just wanted some of that tee shirt money what’s the big deal?
"... He had guns on him, and then he wouldnt let me out of his house for couple days..."
Dee Dee allways says the unexpected. I love when he is in another video talking about pa system while he is tripping on something.
Joonas Lehtonen dee dee isn’t lying. phil spector’s own children accused him of locking them up and forcing them to do disgusting things even his ex wife had a gun pulled on her.
I know. Phil got a life without possibility to parole now.
LET JOEY TALK!!!! I wanted to hear what he had to say about working with Spector.
Phil created some amazing sounds, so I'm glad he was strong, smart, hard-working and stubborn.
Too bad he murdered that lady.
Great clip
Phil Spector was a GENIUS
very honest interview
I reckon End Of The Century should have been Joey's side solo project. It's interesting how Joey didn't say anything in this interview.
Well Johnny was usually the talker during interviews.
I know Dee Dee wrote most of the songs, but Johnny really comes across as the leader here.
was there anyone cooler than the ramones
Wow!!!
the album is still great
The fantastic Ramones
joey loved the record.
this is rock n roll, u want to make a life of it and have fun. but still even punks are ambitious to some degree
Good comments here. I like when dee dee says "Phil tried to be friends but then he had these guns and wouldnt let me out of his house for a couple days." Johnny laughs. 😂
I hope there will be a 40th Anniversary Edition with some work by Ed Stasium
Joey and Marky are quiet. They liked working with Phil.
Absolutely. Well like is maybe the wrong word but certainly respected him a lot and probably got a thrill out of making a record with the guy Who made be my baby. I don’t know if Joey or dee dee had the same feelings around Spectors work as certainly Joey did
@@leonconnelly5303 Marky, according to stuff he has said, genuinely liked Phil. He characterized their relationship as “drinking buddies “, drinking Manischewitz wine together. JoeyJoey, as you said, really respects Phil. He went on to work with Ronnie Spector (I happen to have seen them play together, Joey and Ronnie, at CBGB in October 2000. Joey has also produced music for her). And I understand that Joey was Phil’s favorite among the Ramones, his vocal range was not too dissimilar from his ex- wife. So I think they got on well.
Johnny was a fan of rock ‘n’ roll and probably enjoyed the idea of working with Phil, but he was quite the hard ass in them days. So take him at his word here, he wasn’t happy. Dee Dee’s antipathy might be as simple as extra time in the studio (Phil required much more of them than previous producers) made it harder to get loaded on his substance of choice on any given night, lol.
This is what you called a true rock and roll eulogy. RIP Phil, I guess?
No he doesn't get the right to rest in peace
Fuck Spector. They and so many others hated his sorry psychopathic ass.
@@timprescott4634 Well his music has to be separated from that and it’s some of the greatest ever created. They never said they hated him, they just had an issue with the way he worked and thought he was mentally unstable and used guns to assert control, he still gave them one of if not their most played and enduring hit in their cover of ‘Baby, I Love You’ which despite their initial protestations and negative reviews, has aged like fine wine.
Phil Spector is an effect pedal now
lel, nope
joey doesn't say a word.
The look on Joey’s face speaks volumes. End of the Century is a masterpiece
End of the Century is arguably the Ramones worst album. Wasn’t heartfelt. Spector ruined everything he touched. Bottom line. Listen to these guys. Listen!
@@DaveFury subterranean jungle and animal boy are they worst albums
So true!
Seems to me Joey isn't tha thappy that the guys are dumping shit on his early 60s legend
Johnny and Joey had spoken for a long time after Johnny stole Joeys girl
Joey loved the ronnettes so much he was never gonna talk shit about Phil
@robertdanielortiz
I would just to point out that the Ramones did not complain about Phil's end product, they complained about Phil himself, and the way he operates.
He screwed up Leonard Cohen's album a couple years earlier by telling him that "these aren't real takes", then disappeared with the tapes of Cohen singing only guide vocals.
Dee Dee once said that he didn't know that anything was being recorded -- that it was all rehearsals.
Phil is weird.
“Nobody else could hear the difference”. And that’s what made Spector the true genius that he was. He could hear shit that no one else could and had a supreme ability to turn a single note, chord or lyric into a massive hit. Wall of Sound
"End of the Century is just watered down Ramones. It's not the real Ramones."
- Johnny Ramone.
Phil Spector in 1980 might as well have been Bugs Bunny. He was past his use by date, and he really didn't get the essence of the Ramones. Ditching Tommy as producer was a mistake.
Can you guess which two like Phil and which two did not???? LOL He gave Joey his hit song , Baby I love you . As per Johnny's book nobody in the band played anything on that song . He was also pissed that they got tricked into taking the cover picture wearing no leather jackets.
What is this footage from?
1:10 Johnny spitting straight facts
and now Phil the legend is in jail. be my baby. long live the Ramones!
Exactly
Joey is all quiet, as if he's saying "...he was cool to me, yah bunch of assholes!"
@Holdenon3 Much has been written about the Anxiety of Influence one genius can place upon another. But what artists go through for the end result, is really only for them to worry about. If the result is beauty, then what have we to worry about? I chimed in because it seemed that the wrong thing was in focus here. Ramones saying Spector's process is wonky is like Keats trying to school Shakespeare on sonnet writing. That, and I know first-hand, Phil Spector brought radiant beauty into this world
This is really cool. I'm not sure I've ever seen Dee Dee so coherent in an interview. Kind of a shame Joey and Marky don't say anything, though.
Now in that Phill Spector rabbit hole
"He wasn't the most friendly guy I've ever met.." Lol
@AnnRamone1234 at what minute?
i think the ramones actually gave some good advice here on making music.
So how do you really feel?
Phil Spector was like the embodiment of Dorian Gray.
Anyone else wondering why it says RIP PHIL SPECTOR in the description
God I hope all those guys are kicking it in the next dimension
Wait why does the video description say "RIP PHIL SPECTOR?" Hes not dead yet.
Fuckin` deserves it
Well He is now!
Excuse me but even the demos of the songs in End of the Century are SO much better than the final cut with all the Spector crap attached to them...
that is completely true! the demos are better than spectors bubblegum final edit
I agree with the exception of Do You Remember Rock n Roll Radio, which is the one masterpiece recording on the album where the marriage of the Ramones and Spector clicked
Eh, I love that album
Dee Dee in Lou Reed mode
Phil Spector was an excellent producer back in the day but there is no way he should have produced End Of The Century. The Ramones always had a hard and fast sound and songs such as Spectors classic Baby I Love You and the pseudo surf song Danny Says weren't really typical of their sound. Great songs individually but better suited IMHO to a Joey Ramone solo album in the future or something.
They should have worked with whoever did ac dc’s albums. Their distortion and energy are similar
He is in jail, however, and is most likely to die before his release from prison, or will die shortly after his sentence ends in 2028 at age 89. He may be alive, but his career was over in 2003 after the murder of Lana Clarkson.
I wanted Joey to say something.