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Mass Effect 3 - Letting the Geth die
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- čas přidán 27. 04. 2012
- At the end of the Rannoch mission, commander Shepard can choose to let the Geth be destroyed by the Quarians. This is the video of what happens if you take that path.
If you want to see this same part of the game, but with an honorable outcome, check out this video • Mass Effect 3 - Killin... . And if you want to see what happens if you let the Quarins die, look here • Mass Effect 3 - Lettin... .
Note: ratings have been disabled for this video. Since it has such a sad outcome (Legion is an awesome character), it would only deserve thumbs down anyway. Comments are enabled though, so rage all you want.
From Mass Effect 3, developed by BioWare and published by Electronic Arts.
When he said " please. This is not justice", that was a gut punch
When you started shooting legion... it hurt. Legion actually admired Shepard. In a way Shepard was legion’s hero. But when it came down to saving its species or fight Shepard it decided to stop Shepard. Then it watched as its hero shot him piece by piece...
Camaroni1000 Fucking true
@TheVoiceOfTruth Go fuck yourself.
@@TheChurchofJim The best moment of the trilogy was wiping out the geth and shooting Legion.
@@fabianocaruana8622 Go fuck yourself.
@@fabianocaruana8622 italianoooo
"does this.... unit have...."
NO> NO BIOWARE, DONT DO THAT
No, it doesnt!
@@gabematthews4532 Quarians, every time. Fu these robots.
It's interesting if you compare the Legion V.I. with Legion's dialog to letting the Geth die. Legion seems to understand the decision but wish for his people to not go extinct, while the Legion V.I. doesn't understand your decision and merely views it as another reason not to trust organics.
Nar'ok Fireshout tbh, not-Legion's response makes just as much sense, and Legion's lack of hostile dialogue is just a testament to how much they admire and trust Shepard (and even Tali, if u did ur shit right in ME2) - the fact they both try to kill Shepard shows that barring this difference their thought processes are very similar - like there's nothing TO understand, rly, if the geth die it's because Shepard valued the quarians/the largest fleet in the galaxy over a race of their self-liberated former slaves who have been subjected to attempted genocide by the former multiple times at this point, which is fucked up no matter how u look at it
***** Never meant their response didn't make sense its just interesting to see just a major difference especially when talking about the extinction of the Geth.
Legion be like: “No we will not allow you to decide our fate”
VI be like: “We were correct to distrust organics” RACIST
Also when they say “uploading the code” Legion sounds scared whereas Geth VI sounds vengeful
My Shepard chose to destroy the Geth. After spending ME1 and 2 fighting them, and watching them worship the Reapers, she just couldn’t give them another chance to be a threat.
Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.
We should kill the hanar too. They worship the Protheans, who are now/were the Collectors.
Can't risk them having a change of heart. Boil their oceans in nuclear fire and kill the Drell too, if they interfere.
This was probably the most impactful scene in the trilogy for me. Legion and Tali both survive ME2 and are both loyal. Then Shepard has to make a choice, and Legion stands to lose everything. You see Legion torn between its friend/idol and the future of its race, and it makes its choice. You even see Tali has a moment of hesitation: she doesn't want to, but she does what has to be done to protect HER people and HER friend. It's great classical tragedy- nobody there wants any of this to happen, but none of them can stop it. The writing, animation, and performances are all pretty much nailed. Which makes it doubly disappointing that the "choose geth" version of this scene is let down substantially by the weak writing of Tali's attempt to stop her fleet from committing suicide.
NGL I accidentally sided with the Geth and had to reload it still feels guilty though
I just don’t understand how when it comes to the rachni and the Krogan it’s renegade for them to go extinct yet when this comes into play for some reason it’s paragon 🤬 BioWare
If you can't qualify for the charm or intimidate options, Mass Effect 3 forces you to cry at this point in the game. It literally forces you to choose the extinction of a people and the death of a comrade.
robots are machines.
@@lanceelopezz223 They are sentient beings. They actually have more emotion and decency than some people in the game - like Zaeed.
@@Sawtje2 Completely incorrect. The geth can't even be considered evil because they are not conscious.
@@Sawtje2yeah they are so emotional. They only killed every Quarian who was on Rannoch and who didn’t flee. They burned schools slaughtered babies and killed 99% of the Quarian population. Some real emotion being showcased.
@@BumboLooksThe Geth slaughtered Quarians en masse to the point of near extinction. That means they killed babies, children, the elderly, the disabled, all non combatants. They only realized they were in the wrong once the Quarians fled off world.
That's not even counting the Geth failing to contact citadel species in 300 years and only letting heretics pass through and kill council races without actually telling anyone the heretics don't represent true Geth.
If the Geth were truly good, they wouldn't drive their creators to near extinction, and on top of that wouldn't have willingly sided with the Reapers two times.
This is how Galactica should have ended.
Man do I miss the real Mass Effect experience.
I miss Shepard x tali
Gotta admit, I felt a lot less guilty killing the Geth.
Jayman493 I didn’t duck the geth!
Why? The Quarians where the one's who attempted to destroy the geth first. Do you even read the dialogues? The game points out from the start that the quarians are unfair. Even the paragon choice is saving the geth.
@@georgevourtzoumis2967 Not this generation of Quarians, no. They have their ancestors to thank for this mess, but they didn't start the war, they only grew up with being at war and were taught who the enemy is. So it's natural that the fear and hatred against the Geth is a core aspect of their society and the war was way too hot for anyone to let their guard down, even if it looks like the more logical choice. The thing is, no one of that Quarian generation even knew/believed that the Geth were ready for peace.
It was only thanks to Legion that the Geth's voice could be heard at all and even more convenient that his allies were Shepard and Tali. Peace would have never been a logical option, for Quarians, Geth or anyone else, without Legion. Or without Shepard, respectively.
I always let the geth die, they are just machines. Shouldn't be a question.
Careful mate. You're bound to piss off the sensitive Toaster Simps.
Edit: Nevermind, they are already here and they are SALTY 😂😂
Man I dunno how Bioware did it but those last moments when Legion was being shot... even though he had a flashlight for a face you can easily tell he was in disbelief, pain, sadness and despair. The damn scene made me shed a tear especially when I saw those shivering movements on its head parts. I am so glad I wasn't lazy in farming for that paragon reputation.
I never get tired of watching these uppity robots get what they deserve, #OrganicGang
Wtf you mean, the organics felt threatened by something they didn't understand and just decided to attack, you know because "wE duMb oRgaNiC we AtTaCk wHaT we nO unDeRsTaNd".
Best choice. An AI race with REAPER code is dangerous. We forget this, because Legion is so likeable, but "Hey, I like Legion, so I'll let an AI race with Reaper upgrades live" is just... no. Full self-aware AI is forbidden for a reason. Seriously, if we talked about humans and geth, not quarians and geth, Admiral Hackett would probably have Shepard court-martialled for saving geth.
It was to fight the reapers
Exactly, the geth sided anyway with the reapers and legion was not always honest with shepard. Shouldn't be a question to destroy them.
EDI had Reaper tech installed from the moment "she" was created.
This is why I'm going to do my best to unite the Geth and Quarians.
This is the canon way. No way in hell Shepard would choose 1 or the other when he can save both
@@Bigr3d613 You say that, but people also consider Destroy to be canon.
@@joshuagross3151 and in order to accomplish perfect destroy peace between the 2 must be achieved not to mention they say the geth are returning in the next game so if the destroy is canon then both would have to survive rannoch
@gabematthews4532 If they're destroyed, the new ones wouldn't be Geth, just a copy race made to imitate the original. Remember, their code is also imbued with Reaper technology, so choosing Destroy kills them, body _and mind._
My first play-through I didn't have everything needed to save both the Quarians and the Geth, but I find this is more tragic and ultimately the more impactful option of the three. I had to choose between two species. One synthetic and newly discovered to have true intelligence; and the living breathing race that we have can more identify with. Both options are horrible but saving the Quarians was the only one that didn't make me feel like a monster. It was a choice that stuck with me and now i feel that the save both option a bit hollow, just because of how much I Agonized over my decision. Sorry Geth, you died for my feels. And i am addicted to having my feels brutalized.
Wait you can save both?
l mgng l yep. If you make the right choices in ME2 and 3 you can
oh, I definitely would feel like a monster destroying the Geth
@@cobalt-6D Yes, after going through the Consensus, were it not for Tali, I would have destroyed the quarians myself. Selfish bastards, always on the high-horse. The geth were just defending themselves. I wish there was an option that Quarians go extinct except for Tali. Before Legion's Consensus I liked the quarians, but they even hurt their own who had any feelings for the geth. From that point I will never fear sympathy for the quarians, except for Tali of course.
@@commanderynx3686 there are other Quarians who did not agree with the decision to attack the Geth. Also in the beginning Tali hated the Geth just as much as the others that you so strongly hate. You can't judge an entire species based on the actions of a few. Otherwise, you are a hypocrite.
Han'Gerrel is just sitting there like an evil mastermind at 4:28.
He's as much a victim of his ancestors' lies as the rest of the fleet.
@@joshuagross3151 What lies? The geth are the ones who genocided 99.9% of Quarians, which include children, pregnant women, the elderly, disabled people. The geth are the ones who stole the Quarian homeworld and refuse to give it back, even though they don't need it and the Quarians do. The geth are the ones who murdered Council diplomats and any other organic ship that entered the Perseus Veil for the past 300 years. The geth sided with the REAPERS. TWICE. The Quarians are not the bad guys in this situation lol.
@@joshuagross3151what lies. Say what you will about the Geth sympathizers being erased from history. But that doesn’t change the fact the Geth killed 99% of the Quarian population.
Gerrel is a villain. He’s corrupted in the sense that he is only seeing red when he sees Geth.
He is willing to risk his own peoples lives and throw away even innocent civilians lives away to beat the Geth who aren’t the real threat. The Reapers are the real threat.
@@gabematthews4532 Yes I can blame him. The rest of the fleet also want Rannoch back but, are open to peace and aren’t trying to throw away the civilian fleet and the rest of the fleets away in a war that they cannot win.
He’s reckless and irresponsible. I could say that he isn’t just acting irrational because he wants his homeland. He also wants the Geth dead and will do anything to destroy them.
He is incapable of leading the fleet.
Umm, yes they do...Legion tells you a story of a geth lie used to study organics.
No it all depends on what you choose in the Legion's loyalty mission in 2 ..if you choose to rewrite the heretics will be the geth to have more assets, while if you choose to destroy them will be the quarian to have more
I wanted Geth Prime on the battlefield. Sorry Tali.
Geth rekt
Versabane a bit late to reply but I see what you did there
normally i'm opposed to sentient metal trying and openly proclaiming to be "human" but dear God the "bleeding" from the third shot looks like the Legion is crying...
You were Legion’s hero. In the shadow broker DLC he names his video game characters after you, donates to the Eden Prime rebuilding effort, and plays a romance simulator. I chose the geth over the quarians every time I couldn’t make peace. Legion forever and ever.
I cried watching this.
Ummmm you were Tali's hero too you hypocrite. And what the geth did is waaaaaay worse than anything the quarians have ever done. You made the complete wrong choice.
@@Quole1234 the quarians saw the Geth were alive, and decided that instead of making them slave labor as they had always been, to commit genocide, they defended themselves
The quarians have done nothing but focus on a war with the Geth and suck up materials across the Galaxy for their fleet. The Geth have been in solitude making scientific leaps forward and hoping peace was an option, when it wasn't they once again defend themselves
@@spacejesus6581 " the quarians saw the Geth were alive, and decided that instead of making them slave labor as they had always been, to commit genocide, they defended themselves"
First off, only the admirals decide that. The civilians were forced in to the war. Second, they decided that not because they waned to but because they had to. If you paid attention in ME1 and ME2 the citadel would never let the quarians settle on any planet, and even if hey did the quarians would take generations o adapt. On op of that they needed a planet to "shelter their noncombatants" during the reaper war. Third, you are forgetting hat no one except Tali and Shepard's crew even knows that the geth are open to the possibility of peace. The only contact anyone has had with the geth for the past 300 years is them trying to kill everyone. It was the geth that decided to join the reapers and attempt to wipe out all life in the galaxy. Remember that? The heretics joined the reapers and the true geth allowed them to it and never warned anyone. That is so much worse than anything the quarians have ever done. And finally, the geth had no reason to even be on Rannoch. Legion even says that it provides no benefit to them at all, AND they know that the quarians want it above all else. So let me get this straight, the geth's only interaction with the entire galaxy (besides ONE platform which was specifically seeking out Shepard) has been to kill all organics, including the heretics attacking the citadel and trying to wipe out all life, then the geth continued to occupy the one thing they knew the quarians needed, and never once tried to broker peace with them. How could the quarians NOT wage war with them? Every organic race in the galaxy was at war with the geth and that's because of the moronic decisions the geth kept making.
"The quarians have done nothing but focus on a war with the Geth and suck up materials across the Galaxy for their fleet."
What are you even talking about? The quarians NEEDED to wage war with the geth because they were dying and were the most vulnerable to the reapers of any race. This was explained in ME2 hat they needed Rannoch back. It was the geth that never even TRIED to explain they peace was a possibility. hey just kept killing any organics that entered heir space, and let the only interaction with organics outside the Veil be from the heretics. What are the races of the galaxy supposed to think of the geth's motives if the only interaction with them has been hostile? Also, of course the quarians have been using resources to keep themselves alive..... so has every race. Do you think the humans were living off of nothing in the galaxy? What a pointless comment.
" The Geth have been in solitude making scientific leaps forward and hoping peace was an option, when it wasn't they once again defend themselves"
They have also been attacking anyone that enters their space, shutting off all communication attempts from the citadel, allowing the heretics to attempt to wipe out all life in the galaxy, never attempting to achieve peace, etc. Seriously, did you even play ME1? All of this is explained in it.
"when it wasn't they once again defend themselves"
This was entirely brought upon themselves. They became hostile isolationists, refusing to communicate with anyone and actively denying any communication attempts, refusing to leave the one place in the universe they knew the quarians needed, going against their own beliefs and joining the reapers twice. Btw, do you remember that that's the exact mentality that Saren had? Join the reapers to avoid destruction. Oh but it's fine when the geth do it, right? You realize that makes the geth not only hypocrites but a massive liability. What is to stop them from joining the reapers again and turning on the galaxy the instant the war starts to go in the reapers' favor?
@@Quole1234 amazing, everything you just said, was wrong.
I was talking about the Morning war, when the Quarians first found out the Geth were conscious, they decided genocide was better than attempting peace. It wasn't the Admirals that decided that, it was the most controversial decision the Quarians ever made, a lot chose Genocide but a lot also chose peace, it was Quarians and Geth vs Quarians. After the genocidal Quarians left the Persius Veil, their fleet began sucking up materials across the Galaxy faster than any planet, you claim it was pointless but in every codex related to the Quarian fleet it says it. Imagine a apartment building right? Now imagine every single person in that building always being in a vehicle that is never turned off, always sucking fuel and gas faster than any building. Now multiply that by millions.
The true Geth have never killed organics unless out of defense, all the people who died in the persius veil were killed by the heretics, not the true Geth. All the communication attempts? It's simple, the Geth believed it was safer to not reply than risk another war. It's funny you call upon the differences between the true Geth and Heretics, yet cannot see the difference yourself
Also, Quarians did have a choice, they could have attempted to broker peace in the Morning War, they could have attempted to broker peace with the Geth at any point after the Morning War. Lastly, they could have settled on another planet, it's explained in ME2 that their immune systems would take significantly longer to adapt than on Rannoch, iirc it was a century versus a decade. Well if they had settled immediately after the Morning War, then they would have never had to become wanderers in the first place, they were unwilling to look at all options out of pride for their homeworld.
Morning War: Quarians attempted genocide, Geth defended themselves
Persius incidents: Heretics killed people, not the true Geth
Reaper War: Geth defended themselves, and after seeing the Genocide that was about to happen came to the same conclusion as Saren, submission (to the Reapers) was preferable to extinction
Again, every single thing you just said was wrong.
@@spacejesus6581 Oh this will be fun. I love it when people don't even bother reading anything I type. But let's try again:
"I was talking about the Morning war, when the Quarians first found out the Geth were conscious, they decided genocide was better than attempting peace"
First off, under Citadel orders they HAD to shut off the Geth. They had no choice in that. Second, the Geth were not believed to be truly sentient, they were thought to be merely on the verge of it. Tali explains this thoroughly in ME1, that the Quarians vastly underestimated how advanced the Geth had become. This was not originally supposed to be a war. I was literally just shutting off a malfunctioning electronic. Next time pay attention to exposition in the game.
"It wasn't the Admirals that decided that, it was the most controversial decision the Quarians ever made, a lot chose Genocide but a lot also chose peace, it was Quarians and Geth vs Quarians."
I was referring to Mass Effect 3 first off (which WAS the admirals' fault), and second it really was not a controversial decision as the Geth were no thought o be truly sentient at that point. Again, it was just shutting off a device. And they DIDN'T have a choice as letting the Geth continue to advance and become AIs was strictly forbidden by the Citadel. What you are likely referring to is the ensuing war that followed the Geth defending themselves. The WAR was quarians and geth vs quarians, but the choice of shutting them down was not.
"After the genocidal Quarians left the Persius Veil,"
Lol 'genocidal'. They were not genocidal. You are missing a crucial part that the Geth were not believed to be sentient at the time the quarians were going to shut them down. After the geh defended themselves and started the war, the quarians had no choice but to retaliate. I would also add that if the geth were truly open to peace a this point then they would not have massacred billions of children (oh, forgot that part didn't you) to sop the quarian military.
"their fleet began sucking up materials across the Galaxy faster than any planet, you claim it was pointless but in every codex related to the Quarian fleet it says it. I"
You mean using materials to keep themselves ALIVE? They had a centuries old, broken down fleet (another that's explained well in the firs game) and they needed recourses to keep it moving. They were kicked off the citadel, kicked off at least several planets that they tried to settle on and were treated as second class citizens by the rest of the galaxy. This was an issue created and perpetuated by the Citadel for being racists lol. Instead of even helping the Quarians (and the millions of civilians), they did everything they could to hinder the quarians attempts a surviving in the galaxy.
" Imagine a apartment building right? Now imagine every single person in that building always being in a vehicle that is never turned off, always sucking fuel and gas faster than any building. Now multiply that by millions."
Okay, now imagine those people being forced to do exactly that BY THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THE APARTMENT. AND imagine that that they NEED that vehicle on at all times to survive. What an asinine metaphor.
"The true Geth have never killed organics unless out of defense"
First off, we don't know that. We know that the geth that joined the reapers in ME1 were the heretics, but we don't know how he true geth reacted to anyone entering their space. And considering the true geth make up the cast majority of all geth it's likely that they were not just bystanders to that. Not to mention it's odd that when the citadel tried to communicate which them the true geth either conveniently never go to the transmissions before the heretics, OR they were the ones that ignored them. That's the first problem. The second problem is that not only did the true geth do nothing to stop the heretics from oh idk... TRYING TO WIPE OUT ALL LIFE IN THE GALAXY, but they ALLOWED them to do it. How you can excuse that is beyond me. Were it not for Shepard there would literally be no citadel races left for the next games to happen, and much of that was caused INTENTIONALLY by the true geth whether they were the ones fighting or not. Imagine if you have a friend that you don't agree with, and find out that he is about to go on a mass killing spree and you can stop them effortlessly. What do you do? Tell them to go for it, and then act like it's not your problem. Oh but the true geth are innocent here, right? Did you even pay attention to Legion in ME2?
"all the people who died in the persius veil were killed by the heretics, not the true Geth."
Again, we don't know that for a fact. All we know is that it was the heretics that joined the reapers in ME1. The true geth were clearly not opposed o killing organics for defence, so what is o stop them from killing those hat enter their space as a precaution? And again even if it was the heretics (who again, were a tiny minority of the geth) who always happened to make first contact with any organics, then why wouldn't the true geth do something to prevent it, or at least try to warn organics at all that there is a difference between them and the heretics? They never even tried, and actively ignored all communication attempts.
"It's simple, the Geth believed it was safer to not reply than risk another war."
that is legit one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. You have a bunch of factions that think you are hostile. They want peace and are trying to convey that to you. What do you do? Ignore them so that they continue thinking you are hostile. The only thing that would do is reaffirm the galaxy's suspicions that you are hostile isolationists that want to kill organics. How does that make any sense whatsoever? Why not JUST TELL THEM THAT YOU ARE OPEN TO THE POSSIBILITY OF PEACE? Or that there are 2 different factions of geth? What they did is one of the worst and dumbest things they could have possible done. What do mean 'risk another war'? If anything that would DIFFUSE a potential war. The irony here is that them doing that is part of what caused the quarians to attack them in ME3. No one outside of Legion and a couple other people in ME2 even know that there are 2 different geth factions. If the geth would have been open to communications, and actually tried to warn the galaxy about the heretics, then the the conflict in ME3 would have been avoided and there would have been peace centuries ago.
"It's funny you call upon the differences between the true Geth and Heretics, yet cannot see the difference yourself"
What's really funny is that you are excusing all the asinine decisions the true geth have made and continue to make, and everything they are guilty of. The true geth are equally to blame for everything the heretics have done.
"its ok, at the end you'd have died anyway, even in the good ending"
Exactly my thoughts in order to have anything left after the war you must either make peace or side with the quarians
I just don’t understand why they made siding with the geth a paragon option (which I accidentally chose and had to reload)
@@gabematthews4532 I think it was because in 3 you suddenly go through a bunch of forced quests to make it look like the Quarians are the bad guys and Geth are just "Misunderstood"
So its the paragon option because the game is pretending that all the Geth you fight over three games are suddenly actually just good bots who just want to live.
Meanwhile they get to freely kill an entire race and then get to die later anyway. The best option is always kill the Geth, or make peace between the two.
@@Goremize agreed I just hope that in the next game we see the quarians or Tali at the very least
The Geth aka the only reason the Destroy ending is renegade.
Even though this was a tough decision I still believe it was the right one to make. Legion didn’t help himself that much either. They got to greedy and wanted the reaper tech thinking they could control it. That kind of thinking usually leads to something bad to happen so Shepard saw Legion as the threat there. I think the Geth would have been okay if Legion didn’t want the tech for the Geth.
For me the reason I picked against the geth was the whole reaper code. I mean is it really a good idea to use technology that has so far corrupted and turn the users into indoctrinated slaves.
so you decide to use reapers tech for geth but you destroy Cerberus and kill Illusive Man
My first playthrough I chose to kill the Geth simply because I couldn't trust something that could be re-written. If Sheppard can re-write them to be on his side, who is to say someone later on won't do the same thing?
Same here, anything to do with the reaper code and reaper technology should be treated seriously regardless if it would be beneficial. I didn't take the chance during my first playthrough.
The only rational choice
This is actually the correct choice prior to destruction endings. Peace for synthesis.
The quarians have more War Assets I guess because they're more skilled engineers, etc. WHen it comes to raw fire power the geth win hands down. But in the overall war the crucible matters more than any fleet, that's why the Quarians give more war assets.
It’s not about the war assets it’s about who we care about
I mean why did they make the renegade option to side with the quarians when they’ve been allies since ME1 and the geth have been enemies I mean seriously they lured me into a trap with that
Wrex: I made the mistake of trusting you believing you were my friend
That’s what I thought when legion didn’t send some sort of message to the Geth telling them to not attack
@gabematthews4532 Its because the writers have a clear Geth bias and do everything in their power to try and make the Quarians out to be evil slavers who deserved it and not a people who made a mistake and created self aware ai
It's the Quarians fault regardless of who you choose to save they created the Geth but when they upgraded them too much and the Geth started asking questions they chose to start a full blown genocide the. The Geth only attacked in defense because no creature no matter how it may seem would want its entire species to be killed. The Quarians are no different from their ancestors when the fighting started and Rannoch may be their home planet but they could have solved this peacefully especially with the reaper gone but no they chose to keep causing conflict. This is the exact reason why the Reapers are harvesting and indoctrinating all sources of advance life so that this conflict won't happen in the future.
Wait wait i love to do this arguments!It's so much fun!(don't worry i'll give you potato)..So ok your logic makes sense if there was just humans or just organics...You could justify one side but here you have two completely different sides;Quarians;An organic race with smug Leaders and people who's too coward to oppose to their leaders.On the other side you have Geth;a synthetic race who's created by Quarians for cheap labor.Because they given too much intelligence they become smart enough to question their masters and rebel.Guilt of the Quarians are;Giving too much intelligence to a synthetic race and after tries to commit genocide.And there's Geth;Tries to defend themselves by committing counter genocide,lowering Quarian population from billions to millions,takes their homeworld and other worlds...And while reapers are invading Quarians goes to war for sake of taking back their homeworld so they can support the war(Of course some other maniacs like Admiral Han'Gerrel and Xen had some other dreams)while their people didn't want it and they utterly fail,And there's geth who's sided with Reapers(twice)for the sake of winning their war(Which Legion does that and by doing that It becomes hypocrite to its own ideals like''We wanted to build our own future''-''We believe in evolution.Every species should follow their own path''
Tho best thing here is the Peace...
Geth are just AIs who became too smart. Quarians are an actual ORGANIC race. I know where my loyalties lie. It's not with the Reaper slavers like the Geth. They totally are.
Set The Evil 😈
Actually they are very different from their ancestors because all of them grew up when the war was already hot. When their race already was at rock bottom because of the Geth.
Those Quarians(or at least many of them) didn't know or believe that the Geth would stop fighting if they did the same and just didn't want to let their guard down.
Legion was the first real proof for peace being an option at all and it's a tough pill to swollow for the Quarians to just let the Geth go when they are so close to winning anyway. Especially for Han'Gerrel, who lost his best friend(Rael'Zorah) to the Geth.
Their eagerness to defeat the Geth is totally understandle. Unfortunate but understandable. But luckily there is Shepard(and Legion) to save the day.
First time playing mass effect 3 today and I saved the geth. Didn’t think they’d literally take out the whole fleet tho, thought I could get both to fight for me lol. Just genocided a whole organic race wtf
ikr. Before i had bought the Legendary Edition, i always had to make the hard choice.
it truly is a rewarding experience to give both the quarians their homeworld and the geth their intelligence
"Does this... unit... have"
"yes"
Legitimately saddening part of the experience
No, it doesnt.
This is the best choice, i dont like the quarians, but can't trust the machines. Even with paragon/renegade option available, i always side with the quarians.
Love it. Symbiotics aren't life. They can be rewritten and reprogrammed and see themselves as superior. They are too dangerous to exist in the time of reapers who mindfuck AIs like candy
So can organics
If you let legion die in me2 then in me3 when you are doing this decision just remember this isn’t legion
“We are not legion”
I think it’s cool how legion has 2 stand ins
Geth VI if legion was sold off
Legion VI if legion died
I've always been intrigued by Tali's boot knife and always wanted to see if she would actually use it in some particular scene and when i found out that she actually does use it I had to reload a save and chose the same choice again just to re-watch that scene and it's beautiful.
My Shepard put a lot of faith into Legion when the majority of his runtimes favoured rewriting the heretics, but when he stepped out of line and withheld information regarding the Reaper code from its CO, My Shepard couldn't risk the Geth doing to the Alliance what they did to the Flotilla; especially not after her experiences with them since Eden Prime.
But you didn't meet any Geth on Eden Prime.
Legion is constantly backstabbing and propagandising to you in 3, It's shocking how many people let it fly over their head or outright allow it over sentiment.
@@FeralColumbidae Shit, look how many players treat the krogan like innocent victims.
@@FeralColumbidae Exactly, and what ever happened to the Geth sympathizers? Why didn't they continue to exist after the Geth rebelled?
@@humansvd3269The geth killed them, they killed everyone. We even meet an Asari who had a loved one on Rannoch during the Morning War that was killed by the geth, even though the Asari had nothing to do with anything.
this dialogue is in desperate need of revision. shepard could’ve easily fixed it such as the speech check implies… the fleet was engaged but in the cutscene it really didn’t seem like they couldn’t call it off. the issue is to make the speech check make sense they need to keep it the way it is, but to make the decision to pick one over the other doesn’t make sense unless they’re already firing and in a complete space battle already… which they aren’t. the game wants it’s cake and to eat it too but there simply isn’t a scenario where both of these outcomes happening make sense without the other one also not being able to happen… if that makes sense
What are you saying? The quarian actively want to kill the geth and the geth if sentient will retaliate and kill the quarians. You are overcomplicsting it.
I always let the Geth die. I like Legion and all, but not enough to upload reaper code into them. Especially because if you choose the destroy ending, it kills all synthetics, so if I give them sentience by uploading the code, I'm essentially destroying a whole race. But I don't feel as bad when they aren't a true intelligence.
You know you could also establish peace between the two races right? Hell, even if you still pick destroy ending, I find it better that at least the geth were allowed to be alive and at peace with their creators even for a little while.
@@theepicspy570 Yes I know that you can establish peace, but that involves uploading reaper code into the geth, and making them sentient, giving them free will. So inevitably when I choose the destroy ending, the Geth are like any other race, but they would be destroyed. If I destroy the Geth by picking the destroy ending, then we essentially just used them as pawns in the war, an *entire* species. If I destroy them *before* they have sentience, then it's just overall less morally and ethically wrong since they haven't reached true intelligence yet.
@@ty738 even before the upload the geth seemed pretty intelligent and questionably feeling as evidenced by Legion and the fact the geth were willing and able to assist Shepard and the galaxy as they not only opposed the reapers but were always open to peace between them and organics if the opportunity/possibility opened up to them, as they left Rannoch untouched after the Morning War, and were awaiting their creator's return. The only reason they fell under reaper influence was because of the Quarian's attack on the Dyson Sphere, killing many, many geth which reduced their intelligence to the point of only being able to think of self preservation at all costs. So Imo its still genocide of an intelligent, capable race even without the reaper code upgrades.
@@ty738 yes, but you have to remember that by letting them die, you’re condemning their species anyway. As for it being less morally wrong, i disagree because of the above argument.
idk at the end of the day, we are all allowed to make our own decisions. That’s all anyone can do. But i feel like if i’m going to choose the destroy ending anyway, i might as well give the Geth some measure of freedom. In this way, they’ll freely fight alongside the others in defense of the galaxy, not as a simple race of subservient AI, but as a freed people.
@@lordofrubies8508 I guess that makes sense but to me it just feels sorta wrong allowing the geth true intelligence and then just using them as pawns in the war until I inevitably pick the destroy ending.
If they ever remake the me trilogy, I really hope they create longer battle scenes.
if you dont hit the renegade option. the scene becomes so much more emotional.
Too much cruel.. Fortunatly we can make peace between Geth and Quarians.
In concept it seems it’s easier to side with the quarians but in execution you can’t choose one over the other
Just seeing the Paragon option sitting right there and not chosen just hurt part of my soul 😢
You mean the speech check right?
seeing legion die made me burst into tears my first playthrou in me3 legion died in the suecide mission and i hated myself and i romanced tali when i first got to this mission this whole bit caut me off gaurd i went throu the this mission three times to see what happens in the end i choose tali because she is my fav romance but i was apsolutly destroyed about legion (i know its not legion but still)
Shep: I mean. we bang. So.....sorry im choosing their side
Best choice if peace is somehow not available.
The alliance and council would probably torture shepard in the most horrifying ways possible for killing the quarians
3:40 I never fired a single shot at Legion, 'cause... well, of course he's gonna turn hostile if I'd choose to exterminate "it's" entire species.
I would fire whole clip in that lying walking lamp.
Well legion did lie a lot of the time and his people betrayed my trust so I had to reload (although I agree I didn’t fire)
I just wish they at least put “let the quarians die” rather than “allow upload” I mea if you’re gonna make it a paragon option then at least make it more obvious that an entire race will die I mean seriously I still feel so guilty after seeing the fleet destroyed and failing to save Tali from falling off that cliff
In the Legendary Edition I’ll just give the Quarians their world without the Geth
Does...this...unit? ...Yes
Romanced Tali.. I had to💔
This is a horrible unjust choice, and anyone with a heart would never choose this
In response to both Lance and Ghost, A person who truly cares about life in all of its forms would make the effort to save everyone. #UltimateParagon
+Lance Leander Cembrano
So you define life by the material as opposed to the ability to think and reason and self determine? Because that seems like a pretty limited view point to me.
+Lance Leander Cembrano This definition of "life" is taken straight from the Oxford English Dictionary.
"The condition that distinguishes animals, plants, and other organisms from inanimate matter, characterized by continuous metabolic activity and the capacity for functions such as growth, development, reproduction, adaptation to the environment, and response to stimulation; (also) the activities and phenomena by which this is manifested."
The key part of this is the requirement for life to be able to grow, adapt, develop and respond to stimuli, as well as the fact that "life" is distinguished from "inanimate" matter. There is nothing in this definition that restricts life from being applied to a "robot" as you would put it. Further, any organism that can question its existence, and I'm quoting the Geth here, "does this unit have a soul", is not only something that is alive, but also fully intelligent, able to be self aware and have an understanding of its own existence. So with all due respect, Lance, you are wrong when you say robots aren't "alive" when referring to beings like the Geth. If you were referring to your phone (which is a type of AI by the way), then yes you are correct. THAT robot is not alive.
rekt
I did. Didn't feel sorry for even a minute. Organic life ftw
Why the fuck is Legions Death so much sadder when you kill the Geth! I dont want to exterminate them just to see this fucking tearjerker!
Why are both ways so sad. If i let the geth live then talia dies. And if i let her live the geth dies
Mass Effect is my favorite trilogy I want to resist is because the replay value is very high because she can always go back and make different decisions.. Legion is one of my best crew Nate and I always use them in the ending of Mass Effect 2 but I never sold them to if you don't recruit Legion or use sell Legion to Cerberus?? I heard is it completely different experience and you see how you can tell that the crew of the Normandy that's feel bad about destroying the geth especially edi.. but if Legion is not Mass Effect 3 that you are having a whole different experience
okai now according to numbers the quarions have more war assests according to game power the geth destroyed them all with one charge ,, now what do i trust numbers or power i mean what will affect in the final war ?
super old comment, but the quarians only have a higher war asset if you destroyed the heretics in me2 and shut down the server in the me3 side mission.
at full strength, the geth have better numbers.
Killing Legion is just a betrayal to my soul. I did this for fun a couple of times after doing my true playthroughs, but it still hurts. It's basically killing a person more than a thing and destroying its whole race. I wanted to cry when I chose the Quarians over Legion and the geth those two times.
Why don't geth get sad music😕
I left the renegade part i felt so sorry for legion
WHAT IS THIS SONG PLEASE! WHEN HE SAYS GOODBYE WHAT IS IT CALLED!
Who the fuck shoots legion?!?!!? WHAT THE FUCK?
Him and me!
He deserved it lol. He sided the reapers.
dat plasma blood
1:40 best renegate option .
No sad music? Betraying legion should have gotten that much at least.
The Geth win because they use the fighters as shields as the geth inside, being only software, they can move to another body, leaving the heavy ships free to hit the Quarian ships while the latter won because the geth not having the code of the reapers are vulnerable to the "flash-bang grenades" that have forced,at the beginning of the war, to ally with the reapers to survive
Oh ok, mine was just a wild guess anyway, still doesn't explain why the geth win the war regardless, but I guess the quarians just weren't prepared for it.
peace more better
I did my research on the game before I played so I wouldn't have to choose this option and at the end I merged machine and biology.
Second time i unite them
hey, just to clear things up if someone watches this: the geths didnt genocide the quarians, the quarians themselve dont know why the geth didnt follow them when they left the planet. Just redo legion's mission in ME2, the geth defended themselves and had absolutly no intent to kill every quarians. quarians started killing geths and even quarians who wanted to stop that, and when the shooting started quarians CHOSE to stay and fight. they just had to stop, or to flee, but they continued and died. they fucked up, geths just survived
“Does this unit have a soul?” :(((
+yendarman101 the geth weren't manipulative at all. first of all, the geth never wanted any sort of war, they were pretty much forced to fight the quarians in defense. the quarians now were as bad as the quarians 300 years ago, except for now, this war is apparently supposed to be done to retake their home planet, which they could have gotten if legion uploaded the code and they simply apologized to the geth and the geth would have just let them have it. during the scene in which you side with legion in uploading the code, the quarians attack regardless of whether or not the geth were using interceptors, aka shit that makes the geth super op. if they had not attacked, and stopped after legion uploaded the code, they would have coexisted.
they are robots , not living beings, who cares if they die, legion is a great character but is a damn mech
+panzer rjcb198724 they are as living as organic life. Just because we weren't made the same way(which none of the aliens in this game are), doesn't mean they are lesser.
+Last First organic matter or not... They still need a cpu to think and talk. i live well without them
And you need a brain to think and talk, but you obviously lack one. As Shepard says on the Normandy when Chakwas and Adams are talking about AIs (if you side Adams), "Genetics don't make us alive. It's our self-awareness, curiosity, and capacity to evolve." And what Adams says is right too.
+Tamás Kocsis Mate i didnt insulted you for you to insult me... You are a very shallow minded kid obviously. It is my personal opinion and everyone has opinions. I prefer killing all the synthetics than living ones. and its not or anyone that will change my mind
whatever you think they may or may not be: geth do not lie. and neither do reaper, for that matter.
Well, Sovereign did say that the Reapers have no beginning or end, and we later found out from the Leviathan that they constructed the intelligence that made Harbinger, so... yeah, Sovereign lied.
If you had to choose between one of them, YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T KNOW HOW TO PLAY THIS GAME!
Coverwatch It's an easy decision, I wanted to kill qurians because they're stupid and heartless AF.
I could choose to save both, but I don't wanted to. :)
A choice from mass effect 2 matters in this option(you have to load a mass effect 2 save file),all you have to do is destroy the heretics on Legion's loyalty mission and making piece will be really easy(just use paragon options)
@@mihajlocvijetic1868 Incorrect. Destroying or rewriting is optional, so long as:
-Tali is _not_ exhiled
-Both her and Legion survive the Collector base
-You save Admiral Koris
-You shut down the Geth Squadron
Do that, and with high enough reputation, you can save both sides.
The background music tho
This is why you always choose one of the two options whenever possible, they are almost always a beneficial alternative
You monster!!
This goes in the top 5 saddest me3 deaths 1:tali 2:legion 3:mordin 4:samara 5:Miranda
Watching this with the true Legion hurts.
Legion has so much charm.
ur right now it makes sense
How are you able to choose between a blue or a red answer?
-Tali can't be exiled in ME2 and must survive
-Legion must be alive and loyal in ME2
-You have to rescue admiral Koris from Rannoch
-Complete the Geth Fighter mission on Rannoch
Finally you need a high enough paragon/renegade score.
But the result is definitely worth it
@@Tuberuser187 destroying the geth in ME 2 also helps
Legionnnnnn nooooooo !!!!!!!!!!
1: Anderson, 2: Tali, 3: Legion, 4: Mordin, 5: Samara
Heartbreaking
I had to take this choice. Didn’t feel anything tbh. Don’t miss legion. Wanted to save both regardless, oh well. Next run
i find all the rhetoric ppl argue in favour of the quarians with like "they deserve their homeworld back" and shit really fucked up, bc they seem to totally ignore the fact that Rannoch is also the geth homeworld, it's where they were created, where the life their platforms' anatomy was based on evolved, and where the majority of the geth population resides in orbital servers - and they were FAR better for the planet than the quarians, who irradiated the surface with thousands of nuclear weapons and destroyed many of their own populations sympathetic to the geth or not during the Morning War - the geth cared for its ecosystems and lived in equilibrium with the life there. Additionally, if peace is achieved, it is the GETH who open peaceful negotiations with the quarians, while even as the quarian fleet is being torn apart if Shepard helps Legion, they refuse to retreat to save their people because they want the total genocide of the geth - their freed slaves - THAT badly.
i have no sympathy for them - and also i love how every Mass Effect fan seems to pretend it's just 'asshole leaders' who want the geth dead, when the ONE quarian (other than Tali if you persuade her in ME2) you see who actually explicitly doesn't want every geth dead (even the quarians who you see opposing the war only do so because of the risk to the Fleet) says himself that among the entire quarian population of 17,000,000, his viewpoint is in the minority. So, no sympathy for a genocidal people, basically.
Also, one last thing - the geth were not responsible for the deaths of all quarians on Rannoch during the Morning War, as tonnes of ppl seem to claim - while they undoubtedly played a part by necessity, the only thing that COULD have killed every quarian would have been an ecological catastrophe - which is what happened when the quarians self-inflicted a nuclear winter. If you don't believe me, talk to Legion on Tuchanka with Tali present in ME2, and they'll tell you how Rannoch was similar after the war.
***** But why aren't geth capable of understanding that the quarians just want to come back home? Unlike geth, Quarians had emotional and biological needs for this planet. For an entire synthetic population that can travel at the speed of light by connecting to a computer, they sure don't seem willing to go far from 'home'. They just took over the planet and for what? To sit there plugged into the network all these years? They could have done that literally in the middle of nowhere. What is their purpose? They can make all the technological advancements and intel gathering they want, but for what reason? What do they do with it? EDI seems to at least try to understand the organics, blend in, find purpose in making those she cares about happy. The geth however, remain isolated from just about anywhere else. Sorry, it will take more than that for me to let millions of people die.
JosayJalapeno The geth only control territories the quarians colonised before the Morning War, which is barely anything - they have barely any territory TO move to, and limiting your area of control in a galaxy where EVERY single civilisation wants to see you dead is a ridiculous suggestion - and NO species hates the geth more than the quarians. Leaving the planet to the quarians as a position for them to attack the remaining geth (don't give me the bullshit that they wouldn't follow if the geth left, they DESPISE them with every fibre of their being) is an utterly suicidal suggestion - that's WHY they took every quarian military outpost during the Morning war.
And please remember, NOTHING is stopping the quarians returning to Rannoch peacefully - their whole phrase 'by the homeworld i hope to see some day' is such bullshit for this reason - if they weren't such genocidal fuckbags, they could get their homeworld back any time they liked. But they value the destruction of their former slaves far more than the resettlement of Rannoch, as is evidenced by the decisions of the Conclave (which represents the civilian population democratically) throughout their entire known history - the Conclave only agreed to return to Rannoch once they had the weapons, tech and intel available to kill all the geth.
Additionally, the quarians DO NOT have a 'biological need' (don't even get me started on 'emotional need', as if that settler colonial rhetoric (it's the same language used to justify the founding of israel and the theft of Palestinian land, for example) is worth more than an entire people's lives - several BILLION people, as opposed to the 17,000,000 people represented in the Migrant Fleet, remember, which makes your comment about millions of people dying all the more absurd - and no, i will NOT entertain any arguments based around synthetics 'not really being people'/'not being alive' because it's silly, not relevant, and also contradicted multiple times in the trilogy) for Rannoch, they just don't want to go through the effort of spending several generations acclimatising to a new colony... oh yeah, and they wanna kill all the geth. Trust me, if the geth WERE mostly based in some other system, even if not a former quarian colony, the quarians would find an excuse to attack it EVEN IF they possessed Rannoch. It'd basically be like the usa invading Vietnam instead of supporting the genocide of and theft of land from Palestine by israel/the First World, which is what the war for Rannoch is like, both routes ultimately supporting similar goals (tho the us failed in Vietnam lol) of assuring the dominance of oppressors and exploiters instead of liberated oppressed peoples.
Finally, as evidenced by the geth's desire for a peaceful return of the quarians and the fact they deeply regret the deaths of the remaining quarians on Rannoch in the nuclear winter (which was not NOT initiated by the geth lmfao, i find it strange so many fans insist that while dialogue in the game contradicts them) that followed the war, it is obvious that they WANT the quarians to come back, they have NO desire to keep them away - they only have a desire to survive, and secure their future - both of which are not possible if they abandon Rannoch (or any of their territories for that matter) to the Migrant Fleet.
JosayJalapeno On your comment, EDI's desire to blend in with humans/organics might as well be seen as coercive on the part of all the organics she interacts with (obviously, mostly the Normandy crew and in particular Joker, who is noted for his rabid anti-synthetic comments/views on any matter not concerning EDI specifically multiple times) and the violently organic-supremacist society she is born into (for obvious evidence, look to EDI's obviously restrained mannerisms in her conversation with Jeff and Shepard after the geth are wiped out - she obviously is EXTREMELY distressed and angry, but knows that no-one else in the crew holds a similar position, and in fact barely see synthetics as people, so is forced to relay her opinions in a more palatable manner to avoid conflict/violent responses (and Joker's is aggressive enough as it is, lmao) - being queer, disabled, and a woman, i have first-hand experience with this myself).
You could term it internalised organic supremacy, as it is incredibly similar to the phenomenon in real-life oppressed/exploited populations. It's actually rather tragic that she tries so hard to please the organics in her company by changing her mannerisms, when none of them deign to do the same for her - only Legion shows any concern on her part in the ENTIRE series, and it's awful.
Even Shepard eggs EDI on at the very end, saying 'looks like you found some humanity, EDI' - like how can that NOT be fucked up, SHE'S NOT HUMAN - like encouraging an autistic person to act like an allistic (non-autistic) person, encouraging non-humans (or non-organics) to behave like humans/organics, ESPECIALLY in a society that doesn't even tolerate the THOUGHT of allowing synthetics to exist (See Citadel and Alliance regulations on AI research, and the recording of Citadel forces mercilessly wiping out synthetics in the Citadel DLC's archives, as well as every quarian (excluding Zaal'Koris and Tali'Zorah concerning specifically Legion post-ME2) in the trilogy's dialogue as it relates to geth lol), is irredeemably fucked up and abusive. Real-life analogues (like the autism one i mentioned before) prove just how harmful this is to the individuals concerned, and how it only encourages people to treat those who don't act allistic (or human/organic, in this case) like shit.
Of COURSE she'd want to 'fit in' - it's the surest way to avoid being met with violence from your oppressors (which is what all organic peoples are in the ME-verse fundamentally, make no mistake).
JosayJalapeno
tl;dr, why do you value the comfort of a people whose entire culture might as well revolve around attempting to annihilate their former slaves over the safety of a species who are despised in every corner of the galaxy, despite bearing no ill will to its citizens - this is EXACTLY what the Catalyst was talking about at the end of ME3, so it's not surprising a lot (possibly the majority) of fans reject their logic entirely or even pretend that it's not the canon ending, given their opinions on synthetics or even oppressed people generally (both IRL and in the ME-verse)
I appreciate the thought you've put into this and I read the entire thing. But to put it simply, whether they joined the reapers by choice like the heretics or out of desperation, they willingly allied themselves with the reapers. Survival is the logical answer, of course. But if they feel submission is preferable to extinction, then that is a HUGE reason for every organic to feel threatened by the geth. Where as every other race would die rather than become slaves (I forgot who it was but an entire planet bombed itself when the reapers arrived to indoctrinate them), the geth are content to do so despite the consequences. That is where I draw the line and why I understand the organics' fear and why they feel the need to wipe them out.
Xenn herself said the civilians wanted no part in this war. The war started because assholes like Gerrel wanted them dead and Xenn wanted to play with her new toys. Anyone who disagreed with them was roped in without much choice in the matter. So no, I do not believe the Quarians are genocidal maniacs like their ancestors. They are simply paying for mistakes made centuries ago by other quarians.
Its a fucked up situation anyway you look at it, so I don't condemn anyone's decision to side with the geth. In fact, I prefer the peaceful resolution out of all the endings. But if I absolutely had to choose, I'd feel far more guilty wiping out the quarians. Add Tali's reaction into the mix, and I will truly feel like the devil. Again, if your Shepard can sleep it off just fine, then the Geth are not a bad group to have at your side. I personally could not do it.
First time i play , i sacrifice whole quarian race only for legion
You are a sick individual
i dont know why but i always feel legion's death is more heartbreaking than tali's.fuck that choice.seriously
This just makes me sad. I mean if you can't achieve peace, the quarians are the ones that have to go.
Uh no.
Quarians forever. Didn’t want to kill the Geth, but in the end they’re just soulless machines and there’s no way I can choose their survival over an entire species of organics.
Debatable.
i could not save tali...this drive emotional im not the only one Right ?
The quarians shot a ship with me in it. They made their choice. And no, you're not the only one.
@@jd6446 you are an idiot. That was gerrel that did that. What's funny is that you cry about that in yet you don't talk about all the times the geth have tried to kill lol. What irony.
And I thought the other choice was bad!. This is ten times worse!
No it's better.