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INSANE Intellivision Amico Company Documents Leaked
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- čas přidán 9. 08. 2022
- Intellivision Amico company documents were recently leaked by a disgruntled employee. We discuss the insanity contained inside them.
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I had a horrible injury by the end of 2020 that crippled me to bed and im barely starting to walk by the end of 2022. I wanna take this opportunity to thank Intelivision, Tommy and gang for keeping me entertained during this horrible time. Intellivision was one of the few jokes i could have a laugh at while chewing on popcorn.
Feel better! It’s a shame that IE’s footbath of a console is gone; you could have soaked your sore feet while playing Shark Shark. 😆
What happened friend?
This comment needs to be on Reddit.
lol
Cheers to a healthy recovery friend.
5:50 Don't forget his Montgomery Burns Award for Outstanding Achievement in the Field of Excellence...
As someone who used to get insulted by Tommy Tallarico years ago on the G4 message boards, I've been getting a kick out of watching him go down.
Yeah, I seen old post from that message board. Tommy was a major douche then. Nothing has changed. 😂
I’d be interested to hear more about Tommy on these boards.
yes please share details, sounds like something tommy would do. did he talk shit about metroid and family oriented games?
People like Tommy Tallarico have one huge ego that's for sure. Dude is a music composer and yet thinks he is Shigeru Miyamoto or something and have what it takes to run a company producing video game consoles when veterans with years to decades of background experience in the industry have failed.
@nbksilent from the G4TV shows he seems to hate dragon ball games too
The Amico documentary is going to be absolutely insane.
Might even beat the Spectrum Vega+ story.
10 part!
American Greed Tommy Tallarico
Starring Billy Mitchell?!? The Vindication? :)
I'd just call it Tommy's Bad Idea the movie.
I want closure on this as well. Thank you guys for the coverage and integrity throughout this disaster!
I love that Tommy, the supposed music guy, misspells the name of one of the most iconic record labels in the entire history of the recording industry and one that he is supposedly proud to have released an album on. Also, I am not aware of any video game music albums on either “Capital” or Capitol Records
The 700 million people concert was a livestream. There were like 2000 people actually watching where they were playing.
@Dan Smith Yeah or invent new "truths" now and then.
@Dan Smith Tommy would be a great politician if he wasn't such a coward.
That’s more people than reside in the USA…
@@XanthinZarda
No, just no.
Last night I had a dream that Don West was on TV selling Wata graded Tommy Tallarico rookie cards.
RIP Don
Remember those awards old videogame magazines used to give in their end-of-year issues? Tommy still has a lot of those listed in his awards page.
So that's probably at least 15 Dan Shoe Hsu accolades right there
The Derek Smart Award for letting your Ego get in the way of your Career?
That Tommy baseball hall of fame award had me rolling. Haven't laughed that hard in a long time.
@Dan Smith Hell, he probably wishes he was famous as the peanut & caramel chocolate bar.
Amico news NEVER gets old!
It is the gift that keeps on giving.
But Tommy DOES!
Not forgetting his Nobel Prize for owning a Ferrari.
I almost choked on my drink when those financial projections came up.
I imagine in an alternate universe Tommy appearing on Shark Tank asking for investment money and being laughed out of the room.
Tommy is a hall of fame yankee in the same way that I won 5 super bowls because I smoke a big bowl on occasion.
Even after this you still have some out there drinking Tallarico's bathwater
Anytime I hear about the amico. I think of that quote from Christmas vacation. This is the gift that keeps on giving the whole year
Those giant photoshopped controllers were hilarious
We ran out of popcorn so long ago, but this story keeps on giving! What a glorious disaster!
That concert claim is a bold-faced lie. If you look up the details of the "record", it wasn't counting in-person attendance, it was total viewership. There were only 2,000 or so people in attendance at the actual venue, and the rest watched via China's internal state-approved video platform where it was livestreamed. The total viewer count was just around 700,000, and it's not stated if that was a concurrent number or the collective amount of views while the stream was available.
I heard TT paid a computer firm or nerd friend to hack the Chinese website to alter viewing stats
In other words, he is omitting facts to make it sound like it was bigger than what it was, hence saying "See I wasn't lying!!!". Well Tommy, yes, you are lying still. Omission of other facts is still lying.
13:43 It's kinda funny how they list Nickelodeon, Paw Patrol, and TMNT all together, when Paw and TMNT are owned by Nickelodeon. Just kinda filling out the space with more logos.
Victor Lucas' company won a regional Emmy, so as usual, Tommy was simply trying to take credit for someone else's achievement.
I want to know where Tommy is now, he should be held accountable! Unbelievable he can be allowed to walk away $100k+ in hand!
I couldn’t wait for an Amico update.
The Little console that couldn’t
And wasn't
And _Shouldn't._
Ian you are 100% right. Tommy said it himself that 65% of the R & D went to the controller.
If he said 65% it was probably closer to 85%.
i still find the most hilarious thing about the controller be that they committed to it without prototyping it first.
@@mikemartinez5654 True. Because in other interviews that number went up.
@@lasskinn474 Tommy even said that he did everything without a BOM (build of material). Who does that??.
@@ezg2000 lol nobody who would make money unless it was obvious it would be sold at multiples of obvious costs.
He should've watched some vids about commodore etc by old employees. Commodore of tramiel days did it like that if something was going to sell for 100 bucks on consumer market the thing should cost max 33 bucks to make for them, then if they had to do a dollar bodge like on c128 to get it out the door it didn't ruin them.
Instea of tramiels business is war motto tommy just went with business is scam instead
For the record that concert Tommy claims to have had "130,000 inside and 600,000 outside" (literally his words) in attendance took place in the Beijing Exhibition Center's theater which has a seating capacity of only 1000 and those '600,000 outside' weren't a crowd packing around the venue but a page view count on Chinese youtube where it was streamed for free. He's claiming an (at best 2000 standing) attendance he somehow inflated with Tommy bs power 65x what it actually was and 600,000 hits on a free stream counts as '700,000 people attending his concert.'
Well he paid guinnes to say it was biggest live videogames music concert(japan has had some on tv with more views probably etc tho)
@@lasskinn474 yeah, Guinness isn't interested in accuracy. Purely pay for play.
@@g10118 also the function of listing actual sports records and such dead and it's basically a ripleys freakshow now...(owned by ripley)
Intellivision Amico, the gift that keeps on giving.
Tommy Tallarico - the first man in space.
When the first amphibian crawled out of the ooze and onto the comfort of the sand, was it a weird protofrog? Nope! It was Tommy T!
Saw title. Omg I have to get a drink for this one. Proceed
What's sad is there are people still trying to defend the Amico, I think it is time to give up the ship.
That console is basically a couple Dreamcast memory cards stuck in an ashtray.
You can forget Atari Age coming clean. I posted it to their FB page and they removed it lol
I’m a tech writer, and immediately noticed:
Intellivision Core “Tenants” 😑
With a fantasy, high school powerpoint like that, he’s not even capable of starting a conversion with companies like google, facebook, sony, nintendo….
Quick question: Does Amico still have enough time to make $500,000,000 by the end of 2022?
@Dan Smith Well duuuuuuh
It's possible...there's a big lottery jackpot that keeps rolling over. One of them might win that and use that money to fund the Amico...that'd REALLY show the haters! - DJC
@@dennett316 Thwt would show the haters. Side note: Is DJC for real? I feel he’s actually that dumb.
It depends, is Tommy T willing to sell his entire estate, and can he convince the rest of the executives to follow his lead?
I'm kinda disappointed it's ending in a wimper. I expected Tommy to go down in a blaze of glory.
I dunno. He could always still be murdered or something. We can always hope.
Well, that's sort of the mystery. Tommy's a huge egotist. Where did he go?
Ok, let's break this mess down:
0:00 Intro ("We got a gift...")
2:09 The cover
3:33 Tommy info dump (btw I'm Canadian, and have no idea what a "Telly award" is)
6:52 Nintendo Wii - A Case Study
7:34 Video Game Market Problems
8:22 Core Tenants?
9:28 Meet the Amico
12:57 Game Development
14:32 Market Size
15:21 Family/Friends Gaming Market
18:05 The Team (LoOk aT aLL R XpERiEnS!)
19:10 Milestones & Roadmap
20:40 Financial Projections
23:59 Exit Strategy ("a real humdinger...")
27:06 Internal Facts Sheet/Iconic Brand
29:11 Ian's favourite lie
31:26 Go-To-Market & promoters
31:50 Out-Positioning The Current Competition
32:46 The Atari Age accountability post
Pat you missed a _Very_ important piece to that Webush document. In it, it said for tommy to use his celebrity to promote the amico. And it said for tommy get 40-55 years from youtube to be influencers.
So just like you and Ian have said all along. Tommy wanted these youtubers as free labor. And he was never friends with them.
Another thing: It's the same Webush that the stopped clock Michael Pacter is from.
@@XanthinZarda Good point.
@Why The Hell Was I In Star Trek 6? So is tommy paying him? I hope this is fake. Because tommy will never give him a dime. 😬
Michael Pachter said his very bullish prediction on the Amico before Wedbush prepared the slides. I don't know if that is passable or not.
I don't think thats much of a news item though lol
Their marketing to 30 to 50 year-old moms was ridiculous! I'm a 38 year-old man (born 1984) and have no memory of the original Intellivision. My dad told me a few years ago they had one, but my first experience of a game system was the NES. Their target mom audience is more like moms 45 to 50. No mom under 40 would have any idea about the original system from their childhood. Even at that, girls weren't the primary target of gaming in the early days. Their nostalgia bait was all aimed at the 40+ male demographic. Their basic research assumptions was retarded.
I recently saw the Intellivision "unboxing" video, and flagged it to YT as a scam. Not sure if it means anything, but made me feel good. =)
Tommy is the most impressive human that ever walked the planet. He makes Terry Crews look like a slacker.
He's also the most modest person ever- as he'll tell you.
@Dan Smith I heard a rumor he stood in the LHC while it was active! They named a particle after him, the Higgs-Bozon!
I think you can skip the "n" at the end.
I got the highest score bowling of everyone at my 6th birthday party and I put it on my CV for all job applications. Okay, technically it was a best bowler trophy that the birthday boy always gets but that's just splitting hairs.
Jason Enos is a good friend of mine and I hate that he got roped into this :( He was really hyped about it and then all of a sudden he stopped talking about it.... I honestly knew this was all going sour over a year ago :(
Happy Birthday! Amico, the gift that keeps on giving.
The only way the Intellivion Amico will ever bring familiy and friends together is via photoshopped stock images.
I can’t believe I bought into this scam at the beginning thanks to your videos I got my $100 deposit back in February of this year. Can’t wait for more on this as it’s a perfect case study on how easily people can be lead into something that was pretty mediocre to begin with. I’m retired now and as part of my retirement I planned on getting into retro games as a relaxing hobby this intellivision crap has been very entertaining to say the least.
Right there with you and fortunate to get the $100 back, too.
I Think it was much lower than mediocre, a regular consol is much better then it. But I understand your point. Have fun with your hobby.
To be fair, the concept is limited, but good and the initial claims seemed to be interesting.
Obviously the problem was they weren’t going to be able to deliver on any of it.
have you seen StopDrop&Retro's "retroland" vids about retrovgs/chameleon and mike kennedy? selling the idea of a magical retro land is kinda the thing
Don't feel bad everyone. At least none of you invested $10,000 on this.
As for the china concert; only 2,500 people were there in person. Over 700,000 were live streaming on Chinas version of CZcams. Pretty sad to call Guinness for that one.
Yeah the ONLY age range that actually played the Intellivision is 40 and up... Man the amount of smoke he blew up our asses is insane!!
If i went to a ROCK AND ROLL FANTASY CAMP with ROB HALFORD ...you mean I can't claim i was in JUDAS PRIEST???...lol HOF baseballer TT...lol
It's about time, I've been waiting for something on the virtual company
“Beeuuum!”
The Lifetime achievement award for collecting the most box tops is something I strive for.
As a hall of famer, his own endorsement was likely the "partnership" for the MLB game.
A little background on Tommy's claim for an Emmy and a Telly. It was awards that Victor Lucas had won for the Electric Playground show that he ran for 20+ years and the Telly was awarded in 2001 to the show... Tommy had left the show early 2000 so he wasn't even part of the show when they had won. Also if you go on Tommy's own site under his awards section he also claims four separate Metroid Prime awards! As for the China concert, as per what folks in the discord have discovered. He had a few thousand people live at the show and the 750 000 number was from the people who were watching via a live stream. Long story short... Tommy likes to twist the truth and exaggerate and claim awards that he didn't win.
But but but where video? :(
Tommy Tommy Tommy please stop shatting your diapers
Imagine paying to pretend to play baseball lmao
Had no clue that Tommy was a ballplayer!!!!
This man has too much talent!! WOW!
I would have LOVED to see these Intellivision clowns on Shark Tank or Dragon's Den sharing some of these absolutely batshit numbers. They would have been laughed off the show.
@Pat the NES Punk you may have seen already but the concert in question had 2,000 people there live with 750,000 watching on CZcams or China's equivalent. He constantly says it was in the birds nest olympic stadium which isn't true, it was another venue and even claims 130,000 were inside with the rest listening outside which is a bare faced lie
Electric playground was the show him and Lucas did. Lucas is based in Canada so that’s why it would win those Canadian awards. I remember at some point repeats being aired on either GameTrailers or G4 in the early aughts and that’s how I first heard of Tommy?
Never saw him on G4TV but I remember hearing that him and Morgan Webb had a beef with eachother.
When they make the book or documentary on this, it needs to be called "Wouldn't That Be Something".
Narcissism is considered a personality disorder.
Doesn't mean anything.
@@bluedistortionsyes and it’s simply an incorrect statement. More nonsense from some CZcams kid. Narcissism is a trait on a spectrum… we all have it to some degree. Narcissistic personality disorder does not equal “narcissism”.
The most telling thing is that in the document they mention marketing to 45-55 year olds which already confirms that Tommy was not friends with the Amico fans.
34 minutes in and I just noticed the Kirby scream painting
I think Pat is just mad because he could never catch enough flies on frog bog
"Yankees Hall of fame minor league player". Why stop there? Why didn't Tommy release a game for the Amico entitled, "Tommy's Hall of Fame Minor League Baseball"? That would actually be an interesting spin off of the MLB baseball games, and I'm sure there are many minor league teams willing to sell their naming rights for cheap compared to their MLB counterparts.
There's often a debate surrounding cult leaders if they actually believe in the nonsense they spout or if they're just cynical conmen taking advantage of people's gullibility. In the case of Tommy and the Amico, it feels like a mixture of both.
The strategies laid out in the leaked document (including appealing to older retro channels) and his frequent use of weasel words/phrases clearly demonstrate that he knows that he can't be close to honest about what's really going with the console. Mix that in with claims about features that we now know where never remotely a possibility with Intellivisions financials and by all accounts he's clearly a grifter.
However the sheer amount of delusion in this pitch (to the point where actually getting investors is adversely affected due to how unrealistic it is) suggests that on some level Tommy genuinely thought he could get this thing to a strong position to the point of being bought out. The sales projections alone are so damning to whatever potential credible appeal Amico might have had to outside parties that their existence has to be rooted in Tallarico believing his status was actually big enough to get this going.
In a lot of ways its the worst of both worlds, just cynical enough to better swindle people out of money and so foolishly optimistic that the project has gone far longer than most scams do from just sheer inertia.
The docs really delusional for sure, and yes to the point where its detrimental to getting an investor onboard. It's so delusional and rosy that you'd have to ask why the f they would need investment even.
Tommy really believed in his product and thought he could The Secret his way to success. The other execs are just in it for the gravy train.
It's both of those and a dash of short man syndrome. The dude is like 5'6".
Tommy is just like Homelander, has the need to be loved by everyone but doesn't hesitate to lie and backstab anyone who disagrees with him.
793 million dollars by 2023 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 🤣 😂
All message boards and online communities need total transparency on modding and bans.
The toy Companies listed as potential acquisition partners have teams of EEs and SEs, plus networks of contractors, vendors and suppliers of who could design and develop a system like the Amico in matter of weeks. They would never need to "acquire" it. However, the reason they don't develop an "Amico" is because, 1 - they learned from 2000's era mistakes that the video game business is no longer the "toy" business and a video game system cannot be developed like toys are developed, and 2 - they know full well that modern, triple-A video game systems absolutely, 100%, compete with them for kids time and money.
"We aren't in the same market as Nintendo, Sony, or Microsoft"
"Our plan is to get bought by Nintendo, Sony, or Microsoft"
make it make sense
I went to summer camp five years in a row. Does that make me a hall of famer like Tommy?
As someone in this state, I can easily see how Tommy got a foothold at Thanksgiving Point. This is pretty much the MLM capital of the world. Sadly I'm sure he took many households here for a ride
Exactly. Clearly Tommy's target consumer is anyone who bought a pillow from the MyPillow guy or people who buy coins from commercials on Fox News. I'm sure there were heated meetings about whether Utah or Florida should be the first targeted geographical area.
Wouldn't Ian's birthday gift be NOT talking about Tommy for a week?
Intellivision fans sigh
and say "here we go"
whenever discussion comes up
about that damn Amico.
Toothless vanity project,
fueled by avarice and ego
straight from the ambitions of one Tommy Tallarico,
integrity that melts under the slightest heat, like snow
barely completed games that aren't fit to be shown,
making podcasters get catty
at prototypes that look shabby -
clearly they're full of bugs,
dragging the Intellivision brand
straight through the false hype mud.
Mattel sure is glad they have no connection to this -
mismanaged brand revival console
that's an obvious miss.
Based on nostalgia,
but the historical games
from the 70's and 80's aren't on the list,
just uninspired recreations
that doom the project like Death's kiss.
The Blue Sky Rangers can't scramble their fighters to stop this -
there's a long line of partisans
ready to blindly defend it.
They were promised Tommy interviews and VIP access -
But access to what?
Access to one man's egotistical smelly butt?
Project goals don't get met,
but they toss it up to bad luck:
"Trust us, we're an experienced company -
but we're also a start-up."
"Remember our old glory days?
Well, we're back to delight the nation -
but this is our first product,
so please people, be patient."
Make up your mind!
I'm fed up!
And the excuses don't add up.
Blame coronavirus again?
Dang yo, I've heard enough.
Analogue Pocket made it out,
I know, today I played mine today on the bus.
Playdate shipped to gamers,
so in Panic we know we can trust.
And Evercade Vs. hit stores in a Blaze,
that's the way you make a system for actual vintage games.
Tommy wanted nostalgia,
and he went all out, as you'd expect
cause like in the old days,
Intellivision got beat to shelves by VCS.
The new Atari VCS is a joke with no future,
day one - it was dead,
but at least it tripped over the starting line
before Amico could make it out of bed.
Building a cult-like following,
while legitimate interest tapers,
no wonder low funds show
on investment proposal papers.
Point out Amico's problems
and you get called a "gaming racist",
because saying a video game sucks
is the same as genocidal hatred.
Tommy can't withstand hot takes,
but says his critics are snowflakes,
politicizing every little thing
makes his game system look lame.
Vilifies anyone that won't take a seat on his flat ride,
while people who stayed on board,
watch their pre-order dough get fried.
All they had to do was make an Intellivision mini-system,
make all the vintage games,
playable on modern televisions,
include overlays for replica keypad controllers,
and retro gaming fans would keep the money in-going.
But no,
they had to be big shots,
cause they have
big roller ambitions,
but making a product people want
was never part of their mission.
They made a solution to a fake problem about which no one complained,
then accused Nintendo Switch of having sex abuse games.
Wait? Really? Hold on -
This story's bigger than King Kong,
they spent German taxpayer funds on this damn bomb!
Foxes are wild beasts,
but "Finnegan Fox" looks tame,
and they tried selling people empty boxes with no games -
empty hope with nothing for the gaming public to see,
a hustle Nick Wilde would size up and say,
"No way, you lost me."
They said,
"Look at our games! You wanna play this today, we bet!"
and when people weren't impressed, they said,
"It's unfair to judge them yet!"
Which is it Tommy?
Between reality and his words there's a schism,
every claim breaks apart
like light through a bull prism.
It's sad that Intellivision's main modern exposure,
is bad drama, broken promises, and lack of composure.
I'll play the classic games,
and defend that strange old controller,
but sticking up for Amico
would be like trying to push a boulder.
It would be exhausting,and unfun, so why even try?
Intellivision Lives,
but this brand mismanagement needs to die.
Pure truth right there. Sure the new games would’ve been ok, however the potential to use the console to update the classic titles was what would have made me buy one in a heartbeat.
Well that was just lovely
Slam poetry hour!
As a person who makes decks for a living, I would send them away after page three. Investors who bought into this red flag laced deck deserve to have their money taken.
Investors, yes.
Especially if they lost their shirt on the deal...😏
But pre-orderers, no.
the deck is almost like a nigerian letter or a scam that on purpose has red warning signs to drive away reasonable logical people who would ask difficult questions and be expecting of logical answers.
Tommy paying for acknowledgment, and grossly bloating, or fabricating achievments?! Color me stunned!
I’ve been spending the last two weeks from through all her old episodes so that I can catch up on the news regarding this mess, and it has been amazing
Those sales projections are straight up bonkers. Holy hell
you know, if he wasnt trying to go for the retro market, why did he use the intellivision name?
@Dan Smith exactly my point. the hypocrisy of his presentation should have dried the investor cash up way sooner.
Because Intellivision was his personal trophy brand. He's added it to his collection of useless knick-knacks, like the basalmic vinegar collection.
@@XanthinZarda or those people who collect mcdonalds cheeseburgers, since they dont go bad.
You can STILL preorder the Amico at Amazon, Argos and Game here in the UK!!
And they still have the 31 December 22 release date?!?! What the heck’s going on here? 😖😝
Sheer abject laziness or a lack of penalty from those retailers.
I use Argos for evercade games. So they keep recommending me amico stuff. 65 quid for an effing controller!!!
@@lucywillis4535 I know!! 😝 I saw that yesterday as well when I was checking to see if it was available?! 😂
I've been missing my Intellivision fix! 👌
DJC will just flail around like the pant load that he his, about how this doesn't mean anything.
Netflix series coming out in a few years!
Plagued: An Amico Story.
Thanks!
“Every Man a King!,” an Intellivision Amico on every table.
When you award yourself something, that’s gotta be an empty feeling. What, are you just standing there with your dad’s bowling trophy, clapping for yourself? That’s called a fart in the wind, tommy.
Those slides are too small to read at 720p, so I appreciate you reading them out.
I immediately though of that investor with the 2 dogs... Those who were conned into investing their nest eggs, chunks of retirements, kids' college funds, ect. are fucked. Keith is probably trying to get out of his grave because he is tired of rolling over. It's also a shame that the Intellivision name has been dragged through the waste processing plant and dropped in the E.T. pit. Kind of don't want to wear my Intelli controller shirt out anymore.
Great informative and revealing presentation on I guess what is considered the 1st official leaks? But awesome show guys really hit everything right on and articulated in an elegant simple manner, great content
Don't forget he is a minor league Yankees Hall of Famer but only as a fantasy player for HOF.
@Dan Smith And a Fantasy CEO in LALA Land.
I'm in my early 50s and I love the original Intellivision. My dad had one and now I have one, and I play it a lot. I play the Evercade Intellivision Collections a lot. I was hooked on the Amico at first. Believe it or not, Shark! Shark! is one of my favorite video games of all time. I absolutely love that game.
Having said that, my wife is not a gamer, but she loves Shark! Shark! Outside of Frogger it's one of the few videos games she likes to play with me. The others are game show games on the Genesis and Mario Kart on the Wii, and that's it. Although she does enjoy Zumba games on the Wii. Just not with me. Lol.
So you can imagine I was hyped for the Amico as a possible new toy to share with her, especially the new Shark! Shark! I thought she'd dig the motion control aspect as well.
Thank God for Pat and Ian's coverage of this travesty. I gave up on the pipe dream and got my Founders refund last year thanks to them!
I think the lifetime achievement award was for sending in all the boxtops from all the honeycomb cereal he ate.
“That thing is massive in her hands.” Hehehe
At least spell Capitol Records right if you wanna brag
Yep, I was annoyed by the occasional misspellings of this record company whenever I saw a video or two on VH1 of any artist signed to that label.
Was probably deliberate. He'll claim to have won a "Grammie" soon 😅.
Never forget, these are the clowns that misspelled “Intellivision “ when they tried to fake an unboxing video.
"Authors want to write; most people want to have written."
Tommy wanted the NYT best-seller without understanding what it actually takes to write one.
Tommy was writing in what he thought was Klingon (being disruptive), but it turns out he was writing in _Esperanto._ (Who cares?)
I like that quote
When are you guys coming to the New England area??? I would love to meet you both,. Been watching since the beginning and love the content. Much love
This Amico stuff reminds me a lot of the Adam Hinkley/Hotline stuff from the early 2000s. Obviously it's entirely different products, but the vibe is the same.