Where's your $$ going? Energy Monitor at the panel! (super easy)
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- čas přidán 13. 03. 2023
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I’m an electrician, and I’ve been waiting on someone to show more details on this panel. What I did see though is it looks like QO breakers, and it also looks like they’re using bus mounted relays, which means this is likely going to be something we can retrofit into existing installations. I’m also a Wiser energy monitor user, and recommend that to everyone.
I think it is actually a lot like the smart breakers they had ~25 years ago and there is a data bus in the wiring area.
I'm not especially in to Wiser / Sense, but have several IoTaWatt meters that have been a huge help in better understanding my energy consumptiom. The challenge with Sense is that it can only get meaningful data on a subset of your home. HVAC, refrigerators, dryer are fairly easy but everything else is more hit-or-miss. My IoTaWatt data is also completely under my own control, so it makes it possible to monitor what-if scenarios like the "Free nights" electrical plan in Texas.
@@patrickkenny2077 from what I’ve seen looking at videos of this panel, I don’t believe they are using smart breakers. It appears to be relays on the bus fed by an adjacent circuit breaker. I don’t know if the relays are wired or wireless. That looks like an EcoStruxure module in the bottom.
Love that he's had it for 2-3 years and still has a device that he labeled "?". I've been on the Sense train for several years myself and still have issues with it detecting devices accurately and consistently enough to make it as beneficial as the company claims. I do love the app and some of the cool features, so I had hoped that with Schneider buying in that Sense would get a bump in engineers or even just more capital investment to help with their ML troubles. As quickly as AI and ML is taking over I don't see how Sense is still lagging behind.
Funny enough I was just watching an Emporia Vue video with the thought of picking one up and this popped up afterwards.
It costs money to pay people to improve a product, they're making money on the product as is, people are lazy and just want to get paid to do nothing... main reason why the development stopped
The Sense is just a bad design. There's no realistic way AI or whatever mumbo jumbo they claim can differentiate multiple loads pulling at various times with a single/pair of current clamps. For the bigger stuff like dryers, sure, not much in your house pulls 5000W for a solid 30+ minutes, but trying to break apart many
Sense has managed to figure out most of my stuff however it won't work through a UPS. However it works with TPLink power strips and smart switches that have energy monitoring and can allow control too. I think Kasa may be a rebrand of that tech but look into that for weird loads. Overall my setup is working great and does solar well too.
One of my favorite features of the monitor is once it recognizes your washer and dryer, you can set the app to alert you when they turn off so you never waste time.
Dropping by here to say that I've been a Sense user for several years now! It's far from perfect, and yet, it's still exceptionally useful. Having a realtime graph of instantaneous power usage is incredible for diagnosing motors and HVAC issues... I can tell when I have a bad start capacitor without opening ANYTHING up. The long term voltage monitoring and charting also proved invaluable during some recent demolition, I could pinpoint the exact time some neutrals were shaken loose around the house! (Backstabbed original outlets... I've already found 3 that we're knocked loose)
I still don't have more than 60% accounting. About half of the remaining 40 is just resistive loads (i.e. the water heater) that are partly accounted for, just inconsistently. The other half is the small stuff which is hard to track down... Cable boxes, single lights, my super efficient bathroom fans, etc...
if you are interested, i chose emporia because of the accounting but unsure if its as good with the hvac issues
@@shelbytollett7119 Yes, for about 67% of the Wiser too.
I have had the Sense for about a year and kind of regret the purchase wishing I had gone with Emporia. Sense's Meter view is fantastic, but device detection is weak at best. On 220v loads, such as my EV and garage heater it only detects and shows about 1/2 the load on those devices. Some things it detected and works great on (mainly fridges) while a lot of others I am never really sure if it is right since I cant always reproduce the device. I did connect some TP-Link Kasa plugs and those work great with sense. I wish Sense would use those or release their own circuit monitor to integrate with and maybe that would help the ML algorithm or, at minimum, provide customers with a way to ensure they are getting accurate data in the app.
I've had sense for two years and I'm a big fan. It's allowed me to identify a few problems before they became obvious. You should have installed the generator monitoring with yours!
It blows my mind that the breaker/panel box is mounted on the outside the house in some states. You would never see that in Ohio. We have neighborhoods in big cities where you would just be inviting a$$holes to mess your electricity, either stealing it or turning it off just for kicks.
Agree. I live in Canada and It would be nuts to install your electrical panel outside. Rain, snow or sun and that exclude people. When I saw some horror movie with the bad guy shutting down the electrical panel from the outside I didn't understand how. Now I know haha.
Same here. I'm sure there's a reason for it but can't imagine how all the branch circuits running outside makes sense ... to say nothing of working on it or even flipping a breaker outside.
@@thenexthobby The reason: It's cheaper. Meter and main have to be installed outside anyway, who wants to pay for a second panel inside if you don't have to? (Me!)
@@patrickkenny2077 Interesting. As we said, the main panel is not required to be outside in Ohio, Canada, nor where I've been (GA, TN, or MO.) If we need to flip a breaker off, we do it from inside the house.
@@thenexthobby Is an external disconnect required outside? My original point was that if you have a meter and disconnect outside and a panel inside that can be extra $$ for the electrician. The combined box is essentially the same labor to install as just a meter, so a lot of the work becomes "free."
The Emporia hardware goes on each breaker, 16 for $160. There no learning bs which is not perfect at all, a tap on each breaker and a wifi plug in on each device for $7 is the way to go.
Agreed and true, seems like the "learning" monitors for water or power have dyslexia, no bs with my emporia
Emporia is the way to go. There's too much information lost when you only have a single current measurement, and at best you're getting an educated guess about what the loads are.
Been using Emporia for a couple of years, gives great information. Helped us find a problem with heat pump water heater that paid for it. Wish it did more than 16 circuits. I could get another to monitor the rest just to cheap.
The Sense/Wiser solution is drastically oversold by sense in its capabilities. After running it for 3+ years with hours of configuration, naming devices, deleting bad devices and working with Sense it’s really nothing more than a total power meter. The expectation of any kind of device based granularity is a farce.
So it's all marketing and placebos to think that you can connect one box and have it compute individual devices. We're better off with individual meters on a wall outlet that you plug the device into
That’s some cool technology for the house. Reminds me a little bit of driving your car and watching the mpg change depending on how you drive
That's cool I need one for off grid to see everything running and were my most power is going.... Keep it up brother
Better off just tapping every outlet and measuring the draw
That Square D "smart" panel is $3500 USD ($4800 Cad!) and it only comes with 3 breakers. That is beyond ridiculous. Not a single mention of these devices privacy policy throughout the entire video. And I'd look forward do the day where my $5000 "smart" panel stops providing data because the manufacturer decided to stop supporting the older version of the app.
Congratulations on 1 million subscribers- content is very informative
I still think I'd prefer a monitor system which looks at individual circuits - no need for it to spend weeks trying to guess.
The one that guesses is like $300. The panel that monitors individual circuits is more like $5,000 + labor.
Probably looking for the Emporia Vue 2 (not affiliated, I just like the hardware)
@@flagman3116 Yeah, the Vue is dirt cheap, as it should be. A dozen current clamps connected to a basic $3 analog-digital converter and a $4 ESP32 to send the data over wifi.
I'm getting IBS flashbacks already - felt like this was the big thing coming out of the show at multiple booths, Love what Siemenes has going on. Cheers Matt!!
I know that Emporia is s not your sponsor, but I would like to see a video about their system. It helped us find problems with hot water heater, and HVAC.
15:50 this is something so often overlooked by many. even a small battery for you "needed" loads can result in not running the generator right away and/or maybe only needing to spin it up twice a day to recharge your battery's/recondition the house/heat water. reducing fuel needed on hand for an extended outage and maintenance needed on the generator. Batteries aren't just great for solar.
With the generator already you could for example buy half the KWH of battery you think you need and just plan to run the generator once a day during a long outage. Time this with when the family showers and now you need less battery yet.
May all beings be healthy, be happy, be well and be free. Including ourselves.
I switched to oil for auxiliary heat. Cheap to install, and I can monitor usage in real time. I still have the electric, but do a mix. Oil heats faster. I only use it for temperature rise, use electric to maintain.
I currently use Emporia Energy and it has been very helpful and gives 16 circuits to monitors. I do like to see what else is out there so always like these videos.
I think a system like Emporia has is the way to go. Much more accurate and reliable to monitor individual circuits, than try to do some machine learning to figure it out.
I have the Emporia Vue 2 with 16 circuits as well and I love it. I flashed it wish ESPHome to give me 16 50 amp circuits + 2x 200 amp circuits directly into Home Assistant.
Me too. Emporia is better. It actually measures branch circuits instead of guessing. Good online displays and downloadable histories, actual amps or KW down to the second. Mine agrees with Duke Energy meter within one KWh daily, probably caused by standby generator which isn't measured. Cheaper than Sense too.
Nice thing about Emporia is that you can flash it with different firmware, bypass the cloud and connect to Home Assistant.
I have an Emporia and I love it.
Your vid’s are great Matt. I’d love to see your take on Vehicle to Grid charging when the tech gets released in the future.
Currently rocking a Breville I found in a free pile but love that Linnea!
Minus when he puts in some home video recording when he has the thousand dollar camera shooting everything else. I don't get the point of burning a charge cycle on your primary transportation only to recharge it so you can make your commute. You take on all the financial burden of buying the battery and replacing it when it goes bad.
I actually got emporia and it has like 16 sensors so I actually can see what everything is using . Main thing is ac for me
☕️ 8:48 Honestly more respect for Matt with the La Marzocco addition! a dream for me as well. ☕️
Texas Bougie
Matt, the Square D panel sure seems amazing, definitely interested. Could use some help, if the meter is attached, does that mean this panel can only be mounted on the homes exterior? Trying to see if this is practical for a retrofit installation. Thanks!
17:42 multiple Schneider employees started coughing loudly.
So, who is this company going to be selling the power usage data to?
Almost certainly the Chinese companies.
Deal with the power company to like the car insurance companies charge you for using the "wrong" appliance. Use it as leverage to mandate it into the building codes so they can extort money from new builds.
Emporia has the same panel monitoring product
I wonder if the Wiser can detect equipment that's on the other side of a Schneider XW Pro inverter. We have a breaker from the main panel feeding the inverter, which in turn feeds a sub-panel with the critical loads (furnace, fridge etc.). Can the Wiser see those critical loads individually, or does it only see the inverter as a single larger load ?
I was eyeballing Sense a couple years ago until I saw Emporia. That blows sense out of the water. You hook it up to 16 circuits that interests you and you know exactly what uses what. Simply no comparison to Sense..And it's cheaper!!
I’d nerd out on the power usage on/off impact and then the inferred calculation of costs incurred by the use devices, on what days, at what time of day and for how long
To watch/see data on power usage without needing to wait months for something to maybe figure out what is using power, I have an iotawatt. I can see what is using power, and since I set it up, I can label the circuits and I don't have to wait to see what is using power.
There are instances where the system in the video will never know what is using power. The benefit with a system like iotawatt is that I don't have to try to figure out what circuit is active. There are other options, but I have an iotawatt and I like it.
There are plenty of other things I can do with the information, but I haven't done that yet.
With the Wiser Energy System installed, and a generator interloc kit activated (and on generator power), will this alert me when power from the street is restored?
I am looking at this system, I was wondering what the difference would be between this and the Emporia system and if that system was any good.
Every new home or business should have a 2 foot overhang on their roof to protect the siding and windows as well as provide shading.
They should also have a rain water collection system and solar panels on the roof. Why pay for water or electricity when you can be more independent and self sufficient. The SUN provides FREE energy every day.
I have sense, mostly just to monitor power usage
My mini split heat pump system uses random amounts of power. Pretty much anywhere from zero to 8kW depending on what it's doing. I don't see how it would be possible for machine learning to separate that from all the other loads in my house, and based on what I've read about Sense energy monitors, they don't really work for inverter heat pumps. I have an Emporia energy monitor instead, which can monitor 16 individual circuits and the total usage. It works well.
They do offer dedicated circuit monitoring. There are a few TP link switches that will allow the sense to monitor those circuits as well.
@@rkj4107 a TP link switch can't monitor my heat pump
I'm not sure about the wiser but sense offers a monitor with 2 CT s that go on your main service and then 2 smaller ct s that you can put on dedicated circuits like your heat pump, then you label the load through the app so I always knows what that dedicated circuit is.
I wish Tesla would add some of these features to the powerwall app. I would love more software defined granularity on our usage. Matt, I know you've got propane generator, but with Tesla electric plan and VPP in Tejas, plus their now allowing you to buy a powerwall standalone...oof it's really compelling.
Turning on grid-interaction on our powerwalls has doubled our "energy value" each month, by dumping our solar into the grid at peak times. It's much more valuable in Texas now too. They're 6k apiece with fed refund, and now that you see your usage it would be very easy to size.
another banger
When are the non-meter main combo versions going to be coming out?
it looks like they are reselling the "Sense" monitor, which is pretty cool but the sense itself is less expensive
this is a great video for those of us who are trying to reduce our energy foot print BUT, how does monitoring by means of two current sensors on the mains line compared to monitoring each, individual circuit with discrete current sensors.
This system seems to be using AI to 'guess' what loads are. So the question is "two sensors or individual sensors for each circuit?"
I've wanted to get one of those add-on units for years now, but I still cannot believe they don't have a "LEARN DEVICES MODE" where you can train your system which items are which and name them. You have to let it figure itself out and after weeks and even months there are still items that show up as a "?" when they come on because it still hasn't learned what that item is.
I AM NOT buying one until that add that feature. And it would be so simple, just turn on and turn off a device several times telling the system (THIS is what I am turning on and off right now and naming it.) Too bad it's been out for so long and they still haven't added it.
That seems like a good idea, certainly more definitive than waiting for it to guess on its own all the time.
What knockbox is that?
Sorry if I missed an answer to this, but… Brian mentioned using the Sense monitor with a Main panel AND a Sub panel; does this mean he’s running TWO monitors - one in each panel - OR one monitor in just the main panel?
I understood that with a Sub panel, running one monitor in the Main panel could make circuits in the Sub panel “invisible”, because the Sub is fed from a single breaker in the Main, for however many branch circuits carried in the Sub. (??) Doesn’t matter, but I’m also in the Seattle area.
GREAT knowledge you’ve been puttin’ out Matt!
You just put the CTs on the wires in the main panel, the sub panel loads are detected just like any other circuit would be, since it all goes back through those main panel feeder wires.
The monitoring is new and interesting and the new panel is novel but yachts have been wired with broken buss systems to accommodate designated loads for inverters and generators for decades.
Comparison to the SPAN smart panel would be great
Span - uses breakers from multiple vendors so availability isn't a problem. Smart relays on each breaker so there's no need to have a split busbar like Schneider. "Any" breaker can be turned on/off (open/close for the anal retentive). This is nice because you get to decide what circuits are powered during an outage and the app will tell you remaining battery (if installed) time based on your choices. Span supports a few popular battery vendors. Span gives you the ultimate in flexibility at a cost ($4500) with metering on every circuit as well. I think the Schneider Pulse will be more affordable but lack the granular view that Span delivers .
Does their monitoring and control solution offer a local, open API? Or is cloud access required?
Oh, nevermind, it's just a rebranded Sense. I have that. It doesn't work very well, tbh.
I live in Long Beach, CA, can someone tell me where the panel can be purchased? Local electrical suppliers are saying it is not available in CA.
Hello. I looked into your site because my electric company replaced my meter and all of a sudden my bills have doubled. There was nothing wrong with the previous meter. Is there a way I can independently monitor how much energy we are consuming so I can compare to our energy company's readings?
Looking like it's available at Home depots in Canada. Do they offer a local API, so we can use it with Home Assistant or are we stuck with the cloud solution?
It doesn't look like there is a HASS integration yet.
@@patrickkenny2077 without a local API there isn't much point in supporting the device to create one. If it's going to rely on their cloud and have a lifespan of their choosing, there's no point of pursuing it in my case. I'd be happy to contribute to an integration and buy a device if they had local API support.
But how much power is this system using? Also, what are the monitoring frequencies? It would be nice to know if it reports this data to the company as well, per customer use and privacy.
Good point. You know it does. This is a big data harvesting dream. Maybe anonymized, but this is definitely gathering your data, and charging you for the privilege! no thanks...
Wonder if there's a Wiser integration for Home Assistant...
If it is the same thing as sense...yes it integrates. You are much better off using a shelly monitor with home assistant as it is much less money and does the same thing. Sense is useless. I do have it integrated in ha
@@adamwhite3820 nice, thanks! I have a few Shelly items now (bulbs and plugs mostly) but thinking of next build.
As improbable as it may seem Matt, it may be cheaper for you to go to Starbucks. That's one power hungry coffee maker.
🤣
I'm good with a 20 buck Cuisinart from 25 years ago
Is it common for power panels to be outdoors in CA? Our meters are outside for easy access by the power company but I would never consider putting my panel outside in the elements (or accessible to someone in my yard).
It's common in Texas. Main or main w/breakers, is what usually happens but sometimes they put main w/breakers outside and a sub panel inside and if the add more... another sub panel again! Lol
So, did they license the Wiser tech from Sense? Looks like pretty much the exact same stuff...
I am a sceptic of power monitoring. You really only need the simplest, cheapest system because in reality you install it, use it once and then never use it again. I installed an Emporia system and was able to quickly characterize my house. But once I had done that, I really never use it.
I use mine every day and have had it for a couple years. I still have about 500W of baseload that I need to figure out. It all depends on what you have it for. Some of the relevations for me were that: a) Subzero refrigerators are energy hogs, and there are a few things you really should do to address it; b) my bedroom inverter mini-split is oversized and is wasting a lot of energy dehumidifying when the fan is set on low; c) which lights in the house can be retrofit still to LED with an energy payback; d) if there is a payback in going with a heat pump water heater.
There are a few graphs I check every day and I love. having the data. Integrating my weatherstation into the dashboards added a whole extra level to the utility.
@@patrickkenny2077 I still use mine, but it's more for seeing if there are odd things occurring. I'd be interested in what you have done with your SubZero - I have one in a house I have yet to install Emporia and would love to know what you found.
@@r7boatguy For the subzero I found that the ice chute heater is always on drawing significant power, unless you pull the drawer out, confirmed the impact of replacing the refrigerator door gasket (500wh/day reduction), and a few other things. When we moved in it was drawing 5.5kWh/day and now it averages 4kWh/day when we are home and 3kWh/day when we are out.
@@patrickkenny2077 1450 kWh per year? Are those units drawing so much just because of the large interior volume and marginal insulation?
Or is it because it has heaters on inside counteracting the cooling, melting and refreezing the ice maybe?
Smart meter of Texas and its already included in your cost of electricity
The sense seems like the same thing. I like the solar version with 2 CTs we use alot. Wish they made 1 with 4 cts and a bit smaller for 2- 200A panels, etc. Matt, when you're ready to do your solar. Let me know. Chris with CRsolar in Texas. Of course, I can't offer a free system or free installation or anything like that. Look at the span panel. Schneider electric. Maybe ok, but the past systems not a big fan of.
I use Emporia Vue and it has been very good and exactly as you described. Individual circuits. It's not perfect and they have a few features coming (grouped circuits, disconnected monitoring, etc.) but I have been happy with it. Inside the panel is UGLY but you really shouldn't be in there often, right?
@matt girgenti yeah I had to work in a panel with those emporia cts and saw the app.. not a fan of all those cts. Stuffing the electrical panel.. but yes the app looked nice. And all. We used to use the Eguage. Also but that one got expensive
I'm curious about the price premium for this smart/integrated panel vs a more conventional alternative. Does anyone have any idea how big that premium is?
it's enormous. The Span panel (which is basically the same as this, but with less features it seems) is $4500 alone. And you know the installation is going to be at least double what a normal install would be. I would guess you're looking at $10k realistically. Compared to a regular panel which is maybe a couple hundred. I'm an early adopter, but I cannot justify the outlay for this smart panel stuff.
@@AidanSkoyles that's what I was afraid of, I don't think I can justify that big of a premium either. Sad, I was hoping it would be reasonable.
figure if one turns off the energy users in a home one does not really need these "smart" panels Somethings like water heating or fridge or heat or cooling tend to be items that one is not going to be controlling from the breaker panel. Call me old fashioned but I do turn out lights and I dont worry about the power being consumed on appliances that are already controlled by thermostats. Even if I were running solar I likely would not be trying to control the switching. I would be interested to hear what Matts house is consuming kw hours. Super tight house with darn near every appliance that is energy sipping
One of these days, I will see a bond bushing installed correctly, with the long screw through the ground attachment, and the short one through only the ring...
App? Nope. That thing will be there till it's replaced there is no guarantee the app will be updated, secure, or usable in 10 Years.
Wind, solar, hydro, and nuclear are not carbon free. Even after considering that they may eventually recoup the carbon expended from construction the upkeep of these sources require that carbon will be expended. Smaller amounts for sure but still very measurable. Some cradle to grave calculations show the ICE as equal or slightly better than electric vehicles. The main reason to install the devices is to control your consumption and thereby your cost. My solar, wind, and battery is getting me very close to zero additional cost for power.
From a security standpoint, this is terrifying. The ability for a person to remote in and disable your meter / breakers isn't something I would sign up for. The way the government over reaches, it's next.. disabling your power when they can't supply it any longer.
Yeah Adam… it’s one thing to monitor your usage locally and control locally… it’s a whole other ball game to connect to the collective and allow the central planners to override your local needs (and it’s safe to presuppose they will)…
They also know where you are through your car or cellphone. When you log into the bank they will have your password. Be afraid. 😂
As an electrician. That’s sexy.
$3k for the energy center 8-10x a compared to a standard panel!!!
Not keen on the idea of the breakers being outside. Have to lock down the box now, which means when a breaker goes out I have to go outside, unlock the box and reset?
Potentially standing in / near rain if outside. Love the concept of what's baked in, but question the implementation decisions. Sure would be great if you'd have a conversation with them about those things.
If the box is unlocked, open to thieves, burglars, etc. Even if it is locked, easier to cut through a lock than break in a house.
If your house is < 25yrs old in CA, every main breaker panel is outside, it just is what it is. Nearly all are unlocked, just the metal door over it. We are all on "smart" meters, which everyone found to increase their bill when the power companies went that direction....shocker!. I do like separating loads for battery/solar/generator with commercial power as that's another transfer switch I don't need to buy or have wired.
Service disconnects are now part of current code.
@@iamblaineful but this is more than just the main breaker. it's all of them. I've never seen the panel outside that has all of the individual breakers. I have a service disconnect outside and the other breakers are all inside.
@@D2O2 Yes it is, but I have a service disconnect outside and the other breakers are all inside.
@@hu5tle- So what is the concern, that some hooligan is going to turn your fridge off instead of the whole house? I don't understand?
I dont see how this is worth it. This smart technology is just another thing to drive up the cost of new builds. These panel have to cost 4/5 times more then a standard homeline 30 space 200 amp panel. I started wiring houses in 2008 in Louisville ky a small 1400 sq ft 100 amp over head I could do for 5000 pretty easy, It’s around 8-10k now with arc fault breakers and lots of recessed lights. But I only know my local codes and inspectors expectations.
It's not xD if another comment is accurate then they cost 3k while normal panels are 300.
yeah, it's more like 10x. This is a gimmick that only those with more money than sense will purchase (or those with CZcams channels and Schneider sponsorships getting it free) . I'm with you.
$7k coffee maker. I’m sure your ok with the power bill that shows up. Lol
Yeah, coffee maker that costs more than 2 years worth of my energy bills to demonstrate a $250 product to help conserve energy.
He got his cut, clearly not interested in saving his viewers money just getting free stuff in exchange for videos for his mansion
CZcams pays well it turns out.
I love that Schneider is being proactive in developing better products to accommodate what's coming in California, but I don't think this panel is a very good solution for new construction. You get a much better install using conventional products and a smart design. But unfortunately, no one is interested in doing that.
I have the sense monitor and I have to say it's ability to detect devices is really bad. Unless you buy individual smart plugs that can then isolate each circuit it rarely finds the correct appliance.
🤔 so it knows when your home 🤫
Why do we need this, I never even think about my circuit breakers
It's just interesting to the construction enthusiasts trying to set up a system and get as much info as possible* if it actually works. Afterwards though unless you don't have any other indicators that you have an appliance failing you're never gonna look at this when you have 50 other things to do
you dont.
not as slick as Span, but cheaper maybe?
Not a word on pricing .... speaks volumes.
@@AidanSkoyles It's gotta be cheaper. The Schneider Energy Center is 3499 A Pulse is a more stripped down model so I'm guessing it's going to be more like 2499 or less given they've likely removed direct generator support and pushed Solar features to the new Inverter and Boost (ESS)
Sound too much like Big brother for me. According to the solar people, solar panels on my house would be a waste because all my neighbors have trees. If you really want to say on electricity Air Seal, insulate your home, and only buy high energy efficient products.
Or just find ways of using less and biting the bullet on your bill
So it's Sense? I mean it looks the exact same......Everyone that I've heard from that has it does not like it.....Didn't do them any good for having the clamp style....it just couldn't work out what stuff is....Having said that The Full panel style I like Its reminds me of the Span Panel I mean I would love to see a panel like Span or Schneider for a full house cause then you can see each circuit's power draw and other such stuff
I got stuck on "Is his electrical panel outside?!" I can think of a hundred reasons why I wouldn't want my electrical panel outside. It's usually raining or snowing here, so that's pretty high on the list.
If you think that putting your electrical panel on the outside of your house is stupid in Texas they also put there on demand water heater on the outside too
Retarded!!!
Incidentally if you want free electricity in the Texas area we now know a place to just tap right in
Span killer
was Span alive in the first place?
As an electrician of 46 years the wiring in your panel is not very neat that would not be acceptable in my company
Love Electricians with a passion for their craft.
Agreed, I’d send my guys home if I came to that on a job site.
Has the monitoring system "Changed Your Lifestyle 9:42" my answer Yes
I yell at the kids all the time to turn off the lights Electricity cost money.
Where's your money going?........coffee makers!
Enphase makes a battery and controller that is better than this. Home automation has been just around the corner for the last 20 years. Square D breakers have been out of stock for the last 24 months. If they can't make a $7 breaker how can they make these?
>60 years!
Most of this video was “sense” home monitoring, but it was presented as if it was Schneider’s “Wiser” system… 🤔
How similar are they?
This fact should’ve been made more aware to the CZcams audience
2 panels required in California? Since when? I think that's a line of BS. A quick, but far from complete, look and I could find no info regarding that "requirement" the Jolly Green Giant mentioned. I'm sure that's likely needed if you are installing solar and/or a backup solution, but in a "normal" install I have never heard of requiring to have that in advance. Is it smart to maybe plan ahead? Sure, but probably not with a $5000 panel (not that it isn't neat) plus all the other costs still associated with it.
Just found it...added in Oct 22 [150.0(s)], though it looks like you don't actually need the second panel yet, but it all needs to be planned out for adding one in the future, including reserving space, etc. Still don't need a $5k panel though.
Who is it that comes up with all the California laws? Is there any one individual in particular or are they all collectively racking their brains thinking on what they can wreak upon their constituents next?
Social credit score go too low? Just dial back that person's electricity via their smart panel.
Where is your money going? Into the coffers of this companies shareholders lol.
Advanced panels for monitoring purposes are just an expensive gimmick IMHO. I can see a smart panel for switching loads between sources (backup, grid, etc) but device level monitoring is just lipstick on a pig.
Great video, finally first comment
Now I'm not saying it's the "Iizard peopIe", but I just find it odd that all of a sudden everyone, everywhere, all at once, has been "persuaded" to install rooftop solar, by extortionate power prices and faltering power systems... Then de Ruyter, in what amounts to his exit interview, waxes lyrical about all the strides he's made towards green power...
For the non-South Africans, de Ruyter was in charge of Eskom, the state electrical utility that has been implementing rolling blackouts to the tune of 10 hours a day, basically non-stop for more than 6 months. You'd think that green power would be a bit further down on his list of priorities...
I don't care. You turn x thing on and look the app says x thing is on, no shit. I can get a meter attached to the outlet and measure draw per device. You get billed every month with your usage so someone just recording with a pen and paper can figure it out. It all comes down to how much you care and for the average home owner they don't. Keep in mind that this is being sold to you by people that pretend screwing down wires in the color matching hole and labeling it is hard.
Will ( in the green shirt)
Uuugh!!!! Stop saying right?? ALL THE TIME !!!!!
50 "right???" don't make it right.
Span >>>>>>>>
nah. this looks WAY better.
Please don't do that thing where you're talking to me but not looking at the camera. Thank you.
Micromanaging power is kinda dumb in my opinion. Who thinks about their food’s food on a daily basis? We want appliances that do their stated function well, reliably, and efficiently. The power grid as a whole should strive for the same. If, in the future, we are told we have to turn off our dishwashers from 4-9PM, then that’s a failure of the system, not a new feature. Peak power is a thing, but that just means we need more green production capability, not that we need to tell grandma she can’t do laundry on her own time. If power plants tell me when I can use power, why am I even paying them? It’s all a scam to extort more money from well meaning, environmentally conscious consumers in my view.
Please don't buy the sense - it simply isn't worth it.
That won't make Sense though
California 🙄
All the companies with similar systems require that you go through their app, too, so we know the government will have access to all your data. Call me crazy, but it’s all about control.
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Wouldn't buy one.
How can you say that app is any good at all when the MAJORITY of his bubbles are still labeled either "?" Or "other" even after 2years!? Absolute garbage.
Does it let you rename it or is that beyond its capability?
What a waste of money
Sorry Matt, I am not going to do ANYTHING that is SMART specially when it comes to my power..