What next for women's football? | Karen Carney's HONEST assessment
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Karen Carney, Jamie Carragher and Gary Neville have their say on the Lionesses, Sarina Wiegman, England's progression and where the women's game goes from here...#football
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If women go to women's football, they will do very well
The 50/50 suggestion is one of the most absurd proposals I have ever heard. These people don’t seem to have even the slightest grasp of basic economics.
It is delusional and it’s Radical Feminist Economics.
The only thing she is right about is that a specific amount should be publicly allocated to the women. Probably somewhere in the region of 15-20% is economically viable.
@@bootsandpawseven less 😂
@@bootsandpaws Why ‘should’ it be allocated to the women? These clubs would get exactly the same sponsorship deals if the women’s clubs didn’t exist. The women’s clubs don’t contribute a thing in the securing of these deals. If clubs gave the women 1% as a good gesture they should be grateful for that.
Believe me if the appetite for womens football was there then the clubs would quite happily sell out stadiums every week. Theyd quite happily get big sponsorship for the womens team. Happily get huge transfer fees. There just isnt a demand for it. You cant force people to watch something. Maybe part of the problem is your trying to catapult it to level of the mens game when it simply isnt at that level. Let it grow organically and stop forcing it on people.
There will never be demand from men because we have access to football from dozens of leagues across the world of a much better standard.
So they need females to watch but the majority just don’t care for watching sport.
👏👏👏 One of the most sensible explanations I've heard.
@@neilhards1725 Genuine question, if you were trying to grow the game and raise the standard, also maybe promote it, how would you do it?
@@essej988 Well in the last 10 years I would say the game has grown, hugely, the standard is at its highest and its promoted on all platforms at all levels. It has a professional league with well paid professional players with live televised games. The national side has just won the euros and come runners up in the world cup. So I would say its doing pretty well.
But people are trying to compare it to the mens game which at the moment its no where near the same level. The demand isn't the same so the sponsorship won't be either.
That's just the way it is.
@@neilhards1725 I think most people agree that men are better at football, but as a product women's football is very worthy and in need of investment. It has grown so much because of it. It's simple, if you invest in a product and people, they get better. So let's give women's football what it needs and I reckon you'd be surprised how much potential is still unlocked, from a sporting and commercial perspective
Sky sports are going to make MNF as redundant as soccer Saturday if they keep bringing Karen on
so negative,clueless,if you manufacture football its the US league and just not real its growing all by itself, the fields are there, the big clubs seem i t growing, it doesn't need government help, just schools and private clubs and lots of girls! 5 years ago id never have watched it, I do now!
@@stephenellis2866SHUT UP, you know fa ,All Big clubs and the smaller clubs are Forced to invest money in this stupid women’s game, they have No choice, you brainless woke SoyBoy
💯 percent right @Jimmy, ur spot on
Gary, as a club owner/business man, were you too scared to pipe up during the 50-50 sponsorship money discussion with Karen Carney? 🤣Welcome to the new MNF where it's casual Friday, every Monday, and the men are terrified 💀
If JC had said the same thing they would have been laughing in his face and arguing all night about it. It's pathetic and complete lack of understanding on basic economics. Should have been challenged.
She is now talking about whether the ‘books are correct’. Wtf? Carragher and Neville are cowards for not challenging her on her silly views. But we knew that anyway.
She is unchallengeable because it will look like bullying, followed by a mountain of harassment complaints. Great work from Sky yet again.
Neville and Carragher too scared to challenge her ridiculous comments here. As an owner, Gary should be pulling her up on what she just said about 50/50
Ah no, if Neville questions the logic, it will be portrayed as a man putting down women’s football. Even he is not that daft.
@@flemfleming3149 no, it will be a colleague challenging the views of another, happens all the time.
Carragher did challenge her you sap. Did you even listen
The women’s game needs to generate the money by itself, that’s how the men’s game worked and then more invested and that’s what will happen to women’s football with more television licenses and air time it will grow. People need to realise they won’t be getting the same amount of money as men because they don’t generate the same amount of money as the men’s football. Most of the women’s revenue goes into the women’s wages whereas the men’s doesn’t, only a small percentage goes back into the players wages and most of it back into building core foundations and structure which creates stability, so that’s the reason why Men still get paid a ton load more because men’s football has been worldwide for centuries. Women’s football is still young in terms of a sport, but it will grow as long as they keep promoting it, getting these sponsors and I agree football clubs should be doing more with the women’s side but it is slowly getting there just have to be patient because it’s still a young sport. Only a couple years ago was it televised. Think a lot of people expect it to just suddenly boom with popularity and revenue like the men’s side but be realistic here that’s takes decades.
I’m not degrading Women’s football in the slightest in this comment before anyone says otherwise. I’m just sharing an opinion from what I’ve learnt from helping out girls in grassroots sports.
Also well done again to the team should be proud of yourselves
The quality is terrible tho let's not pretend it's not, I'd be surprised if and under 18's boys team wouldn't beat any of them woman world cup teams
@@PJD4875 true the quality id say is the same as my local team realistically but still the standards will get better as years go on as there’s a bigger chance for women to get into football than ever
I think that is a good summation to be honest. I'm an advocate of women's sports and think there have been great advancements in this country over the past couple of decades. This constant comparison to men's football and calls for equality do not help though and are driving people away rather than attracting people to the women's game.
A lot of what Karen Carney says there amounts to demanding other people foot the bill and I don't get why she wants to differentiate the England players from the rest of the pyramid, when that is the same system that they came through. The comment about sponsorship is also detached from reality and is the kind of thing that will drive a lot of people away.
It is undoubted that women's football on is on steep upwards trajectory, but they are not making the right statements. Instead of saying things like Karen Carney said about splitting sponsorship, they should be saying about bodies like the FA and government investing in participation, facilities, good coaching and female leaders within the game. That will really grow it.
I have always thought that one of the problems is there is no real innovation in the women's game and that they have just followed the formula of the men's game. Why not look at having a summer season? Why not look at having a competition between WSL teams and their American counterparts given that the US is a stronghold of the women's game? Again, I think these are the sort of things that are going to create interest around the game.
@@tomd2103 spot on there buddy.
It’s basically like having 2 employees, one brings in more money to your company than the other but you’ll pay them the same, I don’t think so, the world doesn’t work like that
To suggest that some like Nike or Adidas should split the £70m a year they pay to a club to make their kits equally between the men’s and women’s team is absurd.
And how would that help the pyramid which she was going on about? Would just lead to a couple of super rich teams
@@4879daniel exactly! The uneven wealth between Man United and West Ham for example would just be replicated in the women’s game, so the same clubs would have the monopoly in both genders🤣
I think it will eventually start becoming more like the tennis, where the general public care about it to a level where it's self sustainable and self growing.
But its a long way to go.
I agree
It won't. Nobody likes it
Lol no chance tennis comes round once a year and is a global circuit , man u rug munchers play 25 time a year in UK
Not one human being likes it then nah?? Or are you just projecting and being a troll ?? ...stop..think..ask yourself 🤔
@@jwfrancis08 nobody likes it enough to pay to watch it
Those two sitting there like she’s making sense 😂😂😂
My club Liverpool aren't investing in the womens team and have only brought in free signings this summer. Probably only Everton game will be at Anfield again this season.
We won the league a few years ago, then we were relegated... now we are back but as you say with hardly any investment. It's pretty shambolic, IMO.
FSG barely invest in the Men’s squad, so it’s no surprise they haven’t invested in the Women’s! Literally every year they make a profit in the transfer window! Get them gone!
FSG barely invests in the men’s team let alone the women’s
@@brandonharris9769 so tired of hearing this
Sky foisting this person upon football fans week after week now
The women’s game must sell itself to multi National companies as well as to television companies. It can only grow if it has the money to do so.
I would love Gary to answer as an owner if that split is possible?
If adidas sponsor a club they do it to get their brand out there. The men's game is at least 90% of the exposure they're looking for so this idea of 50/50 is insane
Strange comments from Karen Carney about some kind of 50/50 split. Someone educate me but doesn't the women's game draw like 3000-5000 people to matches on a weekly basis, if that? I know Chelsea vs Spurs at Stamford bridge drew a larger crowd (38,500) but that was during the Men's World Cup and the return fixture at Brisbane Road (capacity ~9000) only drew 1900.
They should obviously keep investing and our women's team have done an amazing job to reach the final but enough with this false equivalency stuff, it's clearly a different game.
fiver a ticket and loads of freebies as well
😂😂😂😂😂. You earn based on revenue generated
Would have been nice for Jamie and Gary to actually come back with counter-points instead of being sat there like lemons whilst Karen used this section as basically an advertisement for women's football.
I don't mind women's football and its definitely growing bigger and bigger each year, but to suggest the revenue should be split 50/50 is an absurd suggestion. The reason the split isn't 50/50 is because the demand, quality, size and literally everything else in the men's game is that much higher. Could the revenue be split more fairly? Possibly but I see Sky (and other broadcasters) doing a lot to push women's football. The WSL is always being televised and Sky in particular have done their best to get a female pundit onto every single panel discussing men's football this season. The reason more women's team's play at smaller stadiums is because the crowds are smaller. More people might tune in for the finals (Like England yesterday), but there's definitely not millions watching an average WSL match.
My team Arsenal hosted a number of women's games at the Emirates this season and it was nowhere close to being sold out. The crowds are much smaller, the interest is much smaller and thus the revenue is significantly less. No one's here saying players in league 2 should be getting PL wages, because the quality is much lower. The quality of the women's game is much much lower than the men's.
as a huge women's football fan, you've put this perfectly, a 50/50 split is not yet the solution, an equal percentage would be better. by that I mean, say mens players got 10% of all revenue for the mens side of the sport then the women should get 10% of the revenue for the women's side. admittedly that's a dumb example. I agree that sky have been doing amazingly with the female pundits, WSL, and pushing the sport for women overall. also very true there isn't millions watching the WSL. I think that overtime the women's sport will grow more and more to a point where this is eventually the solution.
however, arsenal women played 3 WSL matches at the emirates last season and the first against spurs had an attendance of 47,367 the second against man united with 40,604 and the third against Chelsea with over 40,000. and yes, although these are 13,000-20,000 away from selling out if we compare it to 2021, so just a year before these matches, they played Chelsea and only had an attendance of 8,705. they have also played their UWCL home matches there and sold out the emirates for a match against Wolfsburg in the semi finals, with an attendance of 60,063. I feel like this does show the growth of the women's game. I feel as though it could be argued the quality isn't lower the expectations and willingness to accept quality is lower. however, I respect the approach you have taken and know that it is substantially better then some people will ever see it.
scared of being labelled a mysogonist and sacked for stating the truth
I think she wants to copy Title IX of America, but it's still ridiculous, for Title IX is used in the education system which is nonprofit while professional football is business， totally different.
If Karen is going to be the face or the voice of Sky Sports Women’s football. Or Atleast the spokesperson to spread the agenda, it’s got no chance. Everytime she’s on screen I feel like someone’s killed her cat.
Agreed, it’s embarrassing
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣should've got woodsy. Some nice eye candy to balance things out
a dreadful woman,Gary Neville looked like he was ready to puke and caraghers body language also, get her off tv
I honestly think Carney is deluded and a bit dim.
It's like men asking for equal pay on only fans.
or modeling haha
A honest assessment..of the final....still a great achievement for serina and the girls ❤
Indeed it was. Such an achievement that they couldn't even be bothered to acknowledge their own supporters who turned up at the airport to welcome them home!!
@@neilhards1725 was fa decided.
Hey give me money because I am me!
England are European champions and ranked by Fifa 4th in the world, so expectations should be high when entering big international tournaments. For the FA to say there will be an opportunity for fans to ' celebrate ' at the next international v Scotland to mark England losing in a world cup final, is actually a tad depressing. Can you imagine the USA, if they had progressed to the final and lost, then coming back home to the USA and 'celebrating' having lost in the final? It just wouldn't happen. Just a thought..
for the USA it would have been disappointing tho considering theyve won the past 2. for England it is a celebrations its the first time we've ever made the final.
Good job by the Lionesses team during the World Cup 2023 matches. They can be proud of what they achieved, played the finals. The Spanish team played better that day. Neither England team nor Spain were ranked number 1. So, good job, to the team and coaches and all support staff who all went with the Lioness team to play in the World Cup 2023. In one month old ranking I saw, Spain original non-selected main team was 6th and the Lionesses were ranked 7th, in terms of probability of winning the World Cup.
BRING ON THE OLYMPICS!
Why are the guys who play darts in the local pubs not getting the same sponsorships as Van Gerwen? Because they don’t attract as many eyes.
The next step is to end discrimination and allow female players to be picked for the men's international team. There's really no reason aside from bigotry that prevents this from happening.
Ok
🎣🎣🎣
The popularity of the men’s game was built from the ground up by mostly working class fans and participants over more than a century. I think it’s brilliant for women to play football and watch football. But the idea that the womens game should just be suddenly elevated to the status of the mens game “just because” is ludicrous. You could argue in fact that it’s almost a form of cultural appropriation, where one group looks to take the work and investment of another group and pass it off as their own. No, the womens World Cup isn’t as prestigious as the men’s. And that’s because it’s likely relatively easier for a woman to play for the national team than it is for a man to play for a League 2 team. However if the World Cup inspires girls to play football in their millions then that’s great and the status will come with time as the level of skill improves and the level of support increases.
Female sport especially this poor imitation of football only exists because of diversity reasons and not because w*men know anything about sport or how to play one. They should stick to makeups and leave everything else to men.
Women were banned by the FA to play football professionally 1921 - 1971. Never had the chance to build from the ground up for over more than a century, might be time to actively help don't you think?? Or should we wait another century for it to all happen organically?
@@essej988 Wait for it to all happen organically - just like the men's game. There is your answer.
@@harrys1505 While waiting another century might sound tempting, let's not forget that women were banned from professional football for 50 years, and still are ridiculed by many for playing. It's like expecting someone to win a marathon after being kicked in the shins and told to sit out half the race. Adding a little support doesn't hurt - it's not about bringing down mens football, but leveling the playing field
@@essej988 personally I think if women weren’t banned for playing the men’s football would be still much more popular.
Carney needs to learn how marketing and sponsorship budgets work. Brands expect a measurable return on their investment. On a 50/50 split they are not going to see an adequate return. The attendance of the women's game will be less than 1/25 or even lower than that of the men's attendance. The marketing money cannot be justified on the women's game. Similarly, she has the opinion that throwing money at the game will help it become mainstream. It won't. It doesn't have the cultural and community identity that the same men's team does. Look at how many women go and watch men's football. It is a great sport for girls and women and i hope it grows but don't class it as something it isn't.
You’ve tried to sound clever but you’re actually as stupid as she is. If you sponsor a club, you want your brand exposed. It doesn’t really matter, once you’ve coughed up the money, whether the club divvy it up 50/50, 90/10 or whatever. You’ll be on the shirts or the hoardings regardless.
Women's football has the same problem as the WNBA. There's a failure to recognise that women and men have different athletic capabilities and the game needs to be adjusted for that. Women's pitches need to be smaller, the goal sizes also need to be reduced; the exact same changes would benefit the WNBA lower the height of the rims and reduce the court size. In both cases reducing the time of match by 15-30% would also benefit the game. Alot of times the women's game becomes less inclusive because you're looking for 6ft+ women to play in goal or to compete in the WNBA, average women can't participate because it becomes about physicality not skill.
lmao u dont know what ur talking about
@@samuel9skinner I think they made an exceptional point. I think you're the one who's clueless, Sir!
@@tomcairns8189 but it’s not like the players have displayed an inability to play on the fields that the men do so changing the pitch sizes and goal sizes wouldn’t do anything to improve the quality of the game. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about Bc it’s clear he hasn’t watched a game of women’s football Bc if u did Ud know that technically and tactically the best women’s footballers are just as good as the men. The only main difference is the speed of the women’s game isn’t as quick as the men. The issue isn’t a lack in talent in the women’s game it’s a lack in investment
@@samuel9skinner please never compare the elite mens footballers vs the elite womens footballers. We all know a 14 year old boys team beat the best team in the world. I agree they're technically excellent but I think the goal height needs to be reduced as the keepers aren't 6ft+ monsters like the men. As a former goalkeeper it's awkward watching the women goalkeepers.
You failed to mention the difference in physicality. That's the biggest difference.
@@tomcairns8189 I’m not necessarily talking about overall ability… I’m talking strictly technical ability and tactical awareness
If it was the men's world cup final things would be very different
England women didn't press, they allowed Spain to just pass the ball around and they basically just watched until nearer the end.
Start with changing the size of the goals so the keepers aren’t getting chipped on their line. It’s tinpot
Agree. Goals should be made smaller and the pitches slightly smaller to account for the slower pace. It would appear faster and more intense
Sky -sports- Propaganda
LIKE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN....
You're never going to get equal pay or sponsorship split 50/50 in the women's game until it brings in equal revenue.
Suggesting a 50:50 split in sponsorship outlines a complete failure to understand basic economics, and this is coming from a supposedly highly credible ex pro who’s been involved in a recent review of the women’s game. That should be a huge worry for those involved in pushing women’s football, it’s successful growth needs to be based around realistic expectations. It took decades for men’s football to be the economic force it is today, it’s totally unrealistic to think women’s football has a ‘right’ to circumvent the process that got it there.
Nonsense, the strategy to grow the women’s game is needed but she is not the one to lead it forward because she is delusional. You need someone that understands the difference between the men’s and women’s game and the way to fix the problems lower down in the women’s game. Wiegman seems like a down to earth and intelligent person that could be in the role to take the sport forward not people like Carney.
How do you know when a w*man is going to say something intelligent?
When her first words are, "A man once told me…"
Exactly. Carney can hardly string a sentence together and talks in cliches.
Sponsorship money going 50/50 is one of the most stupid things I’ve heard from a football pundit and that includes gabby on talksport
you are a moron , if you charge £5 a ticket and cant sell out a "shabby stadium" and only sell 3000 tickets who the hell is going to give you a stadium costing 100s of millions ? @@postcardsfromprotest
The problem is that a lot of football clubs can't sustain a professional women's team. Notts County had a successful side a few years ago, but had to stop it because it was costing them circa £500,000 a year and they couldn't afford it.
The ground issue is again likely to be because it will cost clubs money to host games at their stadiums as the attendances aren't enough to cover costs.
There is a financial reality to this, but that seems to be ignored. The women's game is on a steep upwards trajectory, but it seems to me that they are asking all the wrong questions at the moment.
If I’m a sponsor and I choose to sponsor a football, I want a return on my investment. I certainly wouldn’t get that if compelled to dump half of my hard earned money in to a substandard product. Just wait for the first failed men’s pro to transition and dominate the WSL. This house of cards will come tumbling down. For clarity, I enjoyed watching our girls run to the final. I genuinely like these young women, and they have made us all proud. I would absolutely like to see the woman’s game grow, and flourish….. but let’s keep it real.
What's it cost to go to a WSL match?
Will people pay over £50 ?
This is the first women's match I watch from start to finish. I was watching it with my girlfriend and even though im not from England I was rooting for you before the match started.
But I remember that during the match I was getting so frustrated. I recall saying "do they know they are in a World Cup final?" Multiple times during the match. They looked even more clueless than France in the first 70 minutes of the men's World Cup. They looked like they were playing a friendly. No ambition whatsoever.
I know the skill gap between men and women is huge. Im taking that into consideration... but Spain surprised me with how good they were. At least in contrast to England.
My country won the men's world cup. And the players know what winning that trophy would have meant to the people. They won it for themselves, for their families but also for us. I dont think this women's English national team realised what being in a WC final means. It was a pitiful display.
More women need to support the women’s game. Then it would grow.
I go to Lionesses matches and love them. This season I’ll make the effort to watch the WSL at my local club Leicester, even though I’m not a Leicester fan the stadium is on my doorstep and tickets are only £8-9 per game.
Would you go and watch a WSL match if it cost the same as it does to watch a Premier League match ie £30+?
@@nonleague8613 I can answer that for you....
Good for you and this is needed from millions if they want equal pay. They can't just rely on the men for everything. They need to create there own money - and this is how
@@nonleague8613 99% of bwsl fans would btw
@@nonleague8613 No, because of affordability rather than anything else. I don’t even support a team in the football league let alone the Premier League.
GN and JC doing all they can not to get cancelled. vibe was off in that room
In fairness, carragher did say do you think they don't find because the women's game makes no money
@@jamesbarry9477 we all know if GN the businessman, owner of a football club chimes in , it would be a painful awkward watch seeing every silly point she brought forth such as -men’s game don’t make a profit and equal shares of sponsorship- get completely destroyed. As for JC he could start an argument in a empty house so I know he struggled to keep his gob shut.
@@AbuYahyah23 JC did challenge her. Did you watch the whole thing??
@@jamesbarry9477 I did , after he posed the question there was a clear chance to rebuke her response about “men’s game don’t make a profit” or “ split it 50/50” but ofcourse that wouldn’t be appreciated by his employers if he did.
You don’t think he had an answer for her but chose not to?
@@AbuYahyah23 she didn't shut up long enough 😂😂😂
I feel that my burger flipping skills are on par with anyone in Maccys, I'm expecting equal pay with the CEO.
Start by making the goals smaller as they are clearly too big, however the standard of goalkeeping is also deplorable
🤣🤣🤣
You joker
Maybe go with blatters suggestion foxy soccer
If you were to ask 1000 people off the street men and women to name 3 male footballers 90% inc women could name a few.
Do the same for women’s footballers and you’d be lucky to get a handful of names.
That’s the difference mainstream and the majority don’t have an interest in watching the women’s game therefore sponsors and brands shouldn’t split something that gives them very little back
What's next? How about playing a team of 15 year old boys and seeing if you can get a goal against them?
Its ironic that Carney is sitting there and talking about womens football to someone who gobbed at a girl
It’s no one’s responsibility for the women’s game, much like it isn’t for men’s. Ultimately, the money comes from punters, if more people engage in it, the more money is made. It’s just basic economics. Implying others should shoulder the cost is just silly. Investment requires return.
Hahahahahahahaaha trying so hard to convince everyone hahaha billion pound😂😂😂😂😂
Hahahahaha she’s so woke. Women’s football will never be as big as the men’s game. Stick to washing dishes
Try asking Bronze what she thought she was doing before losing the ball and setting up Spain's winner. 3-5-2 in the first half was a mistake.
Maybe get Creature Comforts to sponsor, karen wold make a great front person.
Nobody Cares about The Woman's Football!!! 🙄
And yet here you are
Stop being a fool. 13-million watched the game on Sunday. What you need to worry about is the men's game has been around over 100-years to be where it is now. The female game has got to where it is in less than 20-years.
@@keithknight1686 but they are talking about top flight women’s football and how the audience for that is so low so the viewing for one Match is irrelevant.
Mine daughter does, and we'd rather you stick to watching the men's. We don't want you. Bye felicia..
In less than 20-years the female game has gone from poor with one man and a dog in the stands to the top international clubs breaking attendance records. If I.T.V. achieved the same viewing figures as the B.B.C. plus the smaller number who would watched on Sky, the numbers will be impressive. The female game is where it is after only less than 20-years of development. With investment and ambition the female will be the equal of the men's game in another 20-years. I'll be 70 next year, so I doubt if I will witness men and women's football being equal, though in 20-years there will fewer naysayers such as yourself. I doubt a top-class female team will ever beat a top-class men's team because of the strength and speed factor but that is the same with all sports, a Wimbledon female singles winner will never beat their male counterpart. No female will run the 100-metres faster than the top male sprinters. That's life; the same as two people having differing viewpoints.@@leepowell1408
Can we get back to the Premier League please
I am an advocate of women's sports and feel like football in particular is on an upwards trajectory, but some of the comments from Karen Carney are just detached from reality unfortunately. Take the idea about clubs building new stadiums on the existing site for women's teams. Building a new stadium is going to run into the tens if not hundreds of millions and is going to need a massive area of land on the site. How many clubs realistically have the money and the land to do that?
Young women have made Kim Kardashian Taylor Swift Beyonce and reality stars rich. if half those fans watched women's football we wouldn't be having this conversation Men have made footballers and sports players rich. Where attention goes money flows.
It really isn't though, especially if you have to keep telling us it is. Nobody will care next week.
And yet here you are with the first comment 🤡
@@markwood7045And here you are with the Second?
How is that at all relevant
Mate here is not buying their team kits, only posted a comment
You are the 🤡🤡
No rebuttals, no logic
@@markwood7045 He's not wrong though. It's not a billion dollar industry and has not shown any potential to be.
I agree…
Also, I can only imagine what the headlines would be if we’d won against Spain.
We are in a full fledged pro-woman anti-man era so the days of generating your own revenue based on consumer value doesn’t apply to women’s football, basketball etc…
@@acediamond7524anti-man...clearly you didn't get enough hugs as a child or those extra chromosomes are inhibiting your capacity for clear cognitive recognition.
Here we go with the pushing of Agendas its not a handout if you can bring in the revenue you will get what you want. Why does it always have to be about what the mens teams have we must have you've got to earn it. Also sick of Sky pushing the diversity rubbish for every show its mens football.
Absolutely pathetic isn’t it
Couldn't agree more when they interviewed rice she was like that annoy bird that laughs along with he lads to fit in!😂 mnf need to fook her off its called the Premier league for a reason litrally 11 of us in the comments could give them women a competitive game!😂
Very few are interested in wsl 🤷♂️ its only england that is popular
You wanna force people to come to games, they should see the World Cup and wanna see them live
Jamie mildly pushed back. Not a peep from Gary 😂
Absolutely need investment top to bottom for any chance of beating Spain in the 21st century. Investment by government for school sport and by sponsors and clubs (from Prem to non-league). Imagine league football at the end of the 19th century (or whenever 12 - 15 years after formation is); nobody dreamed of the EPL's global success.
Celebrating it never coming home again 🔥🤣
If you want to grow interest in the game, it needs to start with attendances.
1) if you have a season ticket for the men's team, let that give you access to attend women's games for say £2.
2) play at home when the men are away and have earlier kick off's. So you can go watch the women at 12pm then be in the pub or back home at 3pm for the men away on tv.
3) encourage people to attend with things like a free drink if you bring your gf/wife/daughter days or the opposite
So there's no organic interest there. Everything you've suggested just shows you have to engineer interest or attendance because everybody knows women's football is painful to watch compared to the men's game. People view both as football, not men's and women's, and see the women's game and see how inferior it is in comparison to men's. Most people won't watch Championship or League 1 and below. The standard and quality is infinitely higher than the women's game but as it's significantly lower than Premier League the interest wanes. Hence the women's game not having any interest because people have eyes
My club has a womens team i don't even look for there results i'm just not interested in womens football and i'm proberbly in the majority, good look in growing the womens game but the 50/50 split is laughable those big sponsors pay for the numbers who watch the mens game not the womens game, and as for using clubs main stadium for womens games the average WSL match has around 6000 fans wouldn't look good in a big stadium.
Some of the expectations here are unrealistic and show a lack of understanding of reality.
If this was about women not having the opportunity to play I'd absolutely support their right to do so but it's certainly not that anymore.
Most of those grounds where WSL fixtures take place are in fairly close proximity to the men's stadiums but even that isn't the point. If you look at the circumstances within which lower tier football exists in the mens game then ground sharing and travel issues are part of everyday life, that's before you factor in that half of your games are away fixtures anyway! For regular supporters of any club the majority will face travel of some form. It's extremely disengaged from the reality to suggest otherwise. Some of those facilities are absolutely fantastic, too. Far better than many grounds in Div 1 and 2, where they are self financed and every season is a battle for survival.
Women want football. They have it. In fact, they've had it for a long time. They've got everything apart from one vital ingredient - millions of paying fans who travel absolutely everywhere for the love of the game. It's not elitism. Most of the mens game is a hard graft for fans and supporters alike. That will either happen in the women's game or it wont. You cant buy it, you cant fast track it and its damaging to the development of the game to just demand it.
Karen can lobby for shared stadiums snd 50 percent of whatever she feels they are owed. Maybe, in decades, who knows? If they get there it will have to come from attracting the same level of support and generating the same level of income.
Neville and Carra should have been hrave enough to tackle this.
I personally find it funny that they want equal pay when they don’t even get nowhere near the viewership numbers. For example the women’s World Cup generated 15m viewers across the world, meaning that less than 1% of the population actually watched it, whilst The men’s World Cup final between Argentina and France generated 1.5b. This isn’t about sexism, it’s about who can bring in more viewers meaning more revenue and income. I’m tired of them trying to stick it down our throats without even bothering to understand the economic side of things.
Well said.
Australia vs England was the most watched television event (not only sporting) in the history of television ratings in Australia..
You can only bring in the big money and big viewing numbers if you firstly invest correctly with money.. you can't keep saying they don't bring in the same viewing figures.. that's an easy thing to say
@@nikiennis1002 They don't bring in the viewing figures because it's an inferior product and always will be. You need to get your head around that.
@@essej988 And?
She said her thought. Everyone must bring the solution. Not just say and not bring nothing
try that one again in English
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Until the stadiums are filled for the women's games they it won't/can't be 50/50.
The women's game needs more big name sponsorship. Big pharma's desperate for more exposure. You know Tampax? Well, I work in PR and I'd only be too happy to fly over to Johnson and Johnson and pull a few strings.
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Sounds like brands will start to invest less 😂😂😂
Regular people don't go to the womens league matches except the big international games...so it's never gonna be on the same monetary level as the mens game. If it doesn't get bums on seats or people watching it, then it'll never grow. Forcing it will just annoy people and make things go worse instead of better.
OH NO,YOU MUST BE MISTAKEN,IT WILL AND YOU WILL LIKE IT.....OR ELSE.
That’s just not true though cause if you were regular WSL watcher, many of matches are at full capacity. But clearly you’re not.
@@matthewdrewett00shut up
I'm so sick of sky sports pushing women's football, I couldn't care less about it
@@Whereisthetruth_icanhandleit.- Or else what. But seriously I have seen the Lincoln City Women and is good it doesn’t cost an arm and a leg to see them play
We hit the bar in the 15th-minute, Spain scored in the 30 ith something minute. That was the difference between the two sides. Spain and England will dominate football for the next few years. Remember we beat Spain only last summer. No need to beat ourselves up over it.
Did you watch the game? Spain pulverized us. They weren‘t even trying to waste time. That’s how better they were. Like school girls against a proper team 😂
Danny, I can't let that go. Technically Spain are the best in the world, yet Japan thumped them 4-0 in the group stage and we beat Spain in the Euros last summer. We were not thumped and the 1-0 scoreline was about fair. Put your prejudice away and remember the men's game has had over 100-years to get to where it is now, whereas the girl's game is where it is in under 20-years. England were not as good as last summer, I will admit, but to criticise them for losing a match they might have won if Hemp's shot had gone in instead of hitting the bar makes you look like a misogynist with a chip on her shoulder. @@dannyesse3043
Take it you didn’t watch the game. Spain should of buried them.
@@postcardsfromprotest Two Nations? Spain and? Germany? Sweden? USA?
I watched a game where Spain edged a close match in which they deservedly won. If Hemp's shot had gone in it would have been a different game as Spain are not so good when they have to chase the game, as Japan proved. England beat Spain in the Euros 2-!, both results show there is very little between the two sides. There is no shame in being second in the world to Spain.@@TJTOPBOY
She is called karen for a reason
People like to watch the big events, but wouldn't dream of going week in week out. The Ashes was a sell-out but County Cricket struggles to attract, & the NFL games are a sell-out at Wembley, but very few would be interested in watching a UK league. What makes her think the women's game has more to offer than the men's ?
"Men's football doesn't make profit". Understand the actual accounting definition of what "profit" means before you make any false claims. Women's football also makes "profit", just that they are significantly lower, hence any kind of reinvestment will also be proportional.
why arent they questioning this shite? 50/50?! jesus
Men football is better to be honest men are very fast and strong they deserve the payment
Karen talking about this makes sense and she comes across knowledgeable and well but when it’s the men’s game it’s completely irrelevant and boring
50/50 sponsorship is a ridiculous suggestion considering how much more popular the mens game is.
Over time more money will be spent as womens football becomes more popular. It just takes time and needs to grow organically rather than forced like Karen seems to want.
Nothing comes for free that’s for sure.
what an absolute stupid argument.... the women needs the funding to make the big leap.. the facilities for alot of even the top flight teams are horrible.. they need to be paid more than enough to train as fully prof players to be better stronger aso aso .. and let's not even start talking about the insane earnings and out of this world transfer sums..the men gets .... in from Denmark and 3 years ago iirc Pernille Harder Worlds best player in 2020 was the most expensive female in her move to chelsea at around 330.000 Euro /281.000 £... male players in your league 2 costs more than that ... the avg league 2 player earns 60.000 £ and PH earns 20.000 £ .....
@@Galantus1964that’s because league 2 players are probably better footballers than top flight women’s players
This is the exact problem, they are trying to propel the women’s game rather than letting it grow organically, complaining about everything. League 1/2 and non league players have lacklustre facilities and aren’t being paid handsomely either but you don’t see them trying to get on every media outlet and crying about it. 50/50 sponsorship for something that probably doesn’t get more than 5% of the overall revenue is ludicrous. Cultural appropriation at work again.
@@duckers5120 that is most likely true, but my point was that no matter how you spin it , if they do not get the funding and the pay , the delopment will be slow and maybe even way slower...and IF you go in as a sponsor , you sponsor the CLUB and not ONLY the 1st team . the other problem is funding from the FA , sry if it's wrong, but i hope you get what i mean , and actually most National federations and the clubs especially are so frekin scared to loose money on the building up of womens football.. in almost any nation on earth where it's called football ,they know what it has taken to build up mens football, so it should be no problem what so ever to set aside what it needs to help EVERY little girl who want's to play and give them the means to ....
Im all for letting people date who they want if no laws are being broken but I'm also uncomfortable with the amount of women players dating each other. It meant to be Competitive football not Love Island
Treated as second class citizens? It's when Karen makes outlandish comments like this I switch off.
Women's football can't be subsidized by mens football forever, it has to be self sufficient. It's all good and well selling out Wembley for the FA cup final when the tickets are £10 each. It's a day out. It's when women and girls start supporting their local clubs on a cold wet December night and pay full price for a ticket, I don't ever see this happening.
This just proves the saying women can’t handle the TRUTH 😂😂😂facts when In trouble play the blame game😂😂😂
It could be a billion dollar industry IF the right commercial partners and the right business model is created. My concern is that many of the 'best people' are knee deep in the Prem or whatever, or have one eye over their shoulder at the Saudis. We need good exciting people who are committed to making this work.
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It wouldn't because there's no organic appetite for it. The commercial opportunity is simply not there
What's your evidence base for this@@madforit2 ?
Adding more to last comment...Karen speaks with truth and honesty...she knows what she's talking about ..there has to be equal sponsor ship for both men and women ..and far more funding and investment in the women's games on all levels ....❤ Melanie 33 proud lioness..🏴❤️
Why would there be equal sponsorship? Do you think it's the women's team attracting the sponsors?
You're talking nonsense
What we should be discussing is how the team ignored fans when they came back. If the men’s team did that after doing so well at a major tournament they’d have had a proper bollocking from the manager. But at it’s women we can somehow forgive. Disgraceful ladies. You should hand your heads, without fans you’re nothing, never forget that.
Didn't take long for them to believe in their own self importance did it!!
You are so right the attitude of the lionesses on ignoreing the fans wasn't the right way to go about in encouraging young hopefully girls to follow the sport especially with the following they received at the world cup.come on lionesses you owe to them to be more respectful how is the women game going to grow if they don't realize how important it is to the fans to express theirs love toward them.
fans are key to players success but, its been 9 long and stressful weeks, if they can't understand the the players are drained emotionally and physically then that's on them. if they do understand and still chose to show up then they clearly dont respect the players enough. from what I've read fans tracked their flight and there wee 1000s there. if they did see fans and not everyone got seen, people would still be disappointed but ultimately players know when and where the correct time is to see fans and give them memorabilia and the fans should too. after a near 24 hour flight and a devastating World Cup loss is not the time nor the place. the lionesses and BWSL players nearly always see fans in stadiums after matches and are happy to take pictures and see them then. fans should know when it is too far. tracking a plane is too far. even if the plane wasn't tracked imagine how you would feel if you were devastatingly upset and had 1000s of people waiting to take picture of you and with you and meet you. you would not want to. ultimately player protection comes first.
@@scarletwestland-mu6eb absolute rubbish, they are professional football players. You making excuses for them makes it even more insulting, this is why women will never get paid the same because the logic is twisted.
@@scarletwestland-mu6eb I'm sure they would have soaked up all the glory like a sponge in front of those supporters if they'd had won it!
There is absolutely no reason why they couldn't spend a few moments with those fans who showed up.
Your nothing without supporters!
IMO very poor show.
Gary looks uncomfortable 😂
We don’t want Karen on the panel.
100% agree
Ive thought of a fix just scrap the mens game and the womens game just have a mixed game and the best will play there done problem solved
You know up until she said 50/50 I actually thought she was talking sense. Then she said that she lost all my respect
Is a very hard and complex topic because no one will say what they actually think on camera. Woman's football does not have the same impact because first is not the same sport at all due to physical differences. Woman in general they wouldn't travel in mass to fill up stadiums, they wouldn't turn the tv to see highlights and post game comments and so on which in sum does not have the same impact and does not generate much revenue at all... Karen is being a bit delusional asking sponsors 50/50... this has to also put responsibility in woman to start being more engaged in sports and that's the basic for the sport to grow (like tennis, which is the only sport in world where woman support and are engaged in this sport). There is a very thin line that if is crossed clubs to avoid problems they will shut down woman's football teams by justifying the action with financial losses. Be careful with what you wish for and instead empower woman to play more football and engaged in the sport and starting to fill up stadiums with 40 000- 50 000 people. Clubs are companies and big businesses not charity shops. But than if national teams (budget comes from government) want 50/50 and you want sponsors to know that their budget supports equal man and woman thats fair, if sponsors agree.
Why wouldn't women travel en masse the way men do?
50/50? Genuinely how? It doesn’t make sense. If the men is getting 100x more views why would a sponsor not want their logo and their money on the back of the men’s jerseys then the women’s?
Agree 💯 I am a season ticket holder for my local BHAWFC and have to travel miles away to a shitty stadium in Crawley for our ‘home’ games.
you pay £50 for a season ticket lol
@@dubiousplantdiet I do not and the point is it’s over twenty miles away from Brighton so not as easily accessible like the Amex main stadium that I can easily cycle to anytime.
do women live on another planet i live in essex and travel further than 20 miles for any game like most fans @@TracySunshineStott
You pay £55 for a season ticket and the club provide free travel from brighton to the games and you're complaining?
@@paulw6183 it's incredible that lesbians think they should play in stadium's that cost 100s of millions when they pull in about 10 bags a game
Absolute rubbish. If a brand wants to sponsor a football team, say a million pounds, the women's team would get £500,000 even though their average attendances would be 5-10% of the men's teams? That is not proportionate, fair and it just smacks of bias. This is not equality, this is just the women's game wanting a handout (in Carney's opinion).
Sky need to stop pushing this idea that woman's football is an professional sport , its an actual joke, their final was so dull and amateur , the stadium was so dead yiu could hear the players speak ...banter sport.
Thanks for that Mr Key broad warrior
Don't think you understand what a keyboard warrior is , but you are welcome nonetheless 😉
@paulchristopher8634 you again, a fool😂
Lmao i watched the final- it was a great game and the crowd was amped