@@everglowup sorry but as a DIVE, I disagree with the hierarchy, that’s not how the IVE members are treated. And I find it quite insulting on the behalf of the members.
I’m almost convinced no one actually hates Leeso but rather she’s just a scapegoat ready in the chamber so that when called out haters of Wonyoung can point to another IVE member they also “hate” Think about it. You come off more unhinged if your hate is targeted towards 1 person vs a group
exactly, the other day on twitter when k-netizens were comparing the lip syncing situations of IVE and LESSERAFIM and they came to a conclusion that only IVE is getting criticized for it when other have done it as well, but the qrts under those tweets were saying “it’s ok because they have proven their talented”, “they have sang live more times than IVE so it doesn’t matter” or “IVEs hate is deserved because they have never sang live” type of things and the thing is… they weren’t even trying to hide that they are being hypocritical, they were just saying most of that because they felt like they needed to bring down IVE to “attempt” make them look bad. and before any bozos come here commenting “well LE SSERAFIMS choreography is harder so it’s makes sense why they lip synced”, the k-netizens were comparing moments when both IVE a and LE SSERAFIM lip synced while sitting down and also I am commenting this as an example of what hypocrisy is. because why are you only criticizing IVE for lip-syncing but brushing it off when LESSERAFIM does it? regardless of talent or not they have both lip-synced and it’s never ok to bring any groups down for that since everyone (not only k-pop) has done it.
@@FactCheck_127 did you even know what went down on Twitter? the comparison was that they both were sitting down while lip syncing, go do research instead of replying. And also no one was talking about choreographies
Recently Liz did solo live where she sang karaoke casually. I thought she sounded good and that people would praise her. But majority of comments were "too bad her company is focusing on visuals" "and then there are Leeseo and WY lip syncing" "She has talents unlike her members" These people are actually villians.
They're trying to justify their hate on Wonyoung by painting Liz as a victim. But the thing here is that they're not "fighting for Liz", they're using Liz and the other members as reasons to hate on Wonyoung and indirectly "destroying IVE and discouraging new fans from stanning them". They don't actually care about Liz, even as she is given opportunities to grow her image.
I've seen so many of these comments lately.. it's absolutely disgusting. Knowing what an absolute angel Liz is makes it twice as disgusting to be using her to hate on her dear members.
I feel bad for Liz and Gaeul bc most of their 'fans' are just IVE haters... They don't actually support them in any meaningful way. They just use the as tools to give the other members shit. If Gaeul and Liz had a exclusive brand deal, I bet they would buy anything and when the brand dropped them, they would blame Starship. They remind me of Luna's stans in f(X) using her to shit on Sulli&Krystal and then not supporting her solo activities in any way.
@YurinaILY🌸 idk if they bought everything from the vegan beauty campaign by olive young that liz promoted, but sometimes I think people don't even know the solo activities of other ive members
I like IVE, I remember seeing a tiktok about Liz solo live and I was happy to hear her vocals. I did see a lot of comments praising Liz but I agree with you, I did see comments that were saying those horrible things. It’s so frustrating.
Whenever a girl group debuts everyone is so supportive and bringing them up but once they see that same group is getting more popular than their faves they’ll turn on that group so damn quickly it’ll give you whiplash.
Fr, the way kpop fans were HYPING IVE up almost the entire year but then when the award show season came and they won over their faves they suddenly didn't deserve anything was so shocking to me. Like I get being upset that your fave didn't win, but people were fr acting like the 3 title tracks that IVE released this year weren't trending for the entire year
@@slurp4495 I KNOWW, and then now they're winning awards left and right they're all suddenly "how did IVE win SOTY, rigged award show" as if yall weren't just participating in trends with their songs.
during the height of the strawberry moon lipsyncing fiasco, wonyoung went on pm late at night and told dives that she gains strength from us and if someone is giving her a hard time she always thinks "i have dives. you're jealous, right." it was a very weird and concerning message, especially when you remember that at the start of 2022, wonyoung trended for her words "i don't care. you are you, and i am me." after ive landed on thailand for gda, she went on pm again and said that she doesn't feel well but there's nothing she can do. it's clear that the intense ongoing hate train has changed her a little. i hope 2023 will be a lot kinder to ive, even if the start has been the opposite.
I'm honestly not surprised. The sheer amount of hate & negative fixation on Wonyoung is truly inhumane & demonic in every way possible. Even the strongest of minds can break under such constant psychological abuse. I just hope that Wonyoung has a very strong support system with her members & her family that actively comforts & encourages her because a lot of dives are clearly not giving it to her😭 & I am 99% positive the ongoing hate is what contributes to her worrying weight issue
kpop stans will riot when a minor is debuting or when an idol expresses mental difficulties but then will be the cause of those idols problems. They will do everything to promote anti cyber bullying but then jump on any hatred on a gg. Momoland, BP then Twice, itzy, then aespa and now Ive. I won’t be surprised if it happens to groups like newjeans for example
It's really sad that she was in the spotlight from such a young age and hate followed her pretty much since the beginning it's terrible and I hope she has a support system and help if needed
Actualy I remember the amount of hate Sulli was getting. And now those bitches miss her and call her angel. sorry for bringing this sad example but I want no more cases like this in kpop. Those 13 years old kids need to stop writing hate comments to the girls who are famous, actualy worked hard to make their dream come true, and are prettier than them. I really hope she has no mental health issues😓❤
I found it hysterical when so many people were calling Love Dive SOTY and when they actually got the daesangs, they switched up and said they didn't deserve the award💀 There is a lot more gg stans in K-Pop than there has ever been but most of times, they are the first to start dragging down other ggs because of popularity. Seen it with Garam, Wonyoung, Jennie etc. Stan K-Pop has reached such a level of toxicity that there feels like there is no point of return. Everyone just abuses their anonymity on the internet to air out their insecurities on idols. I've never felt more disappointed and embarrassed EVER.
@@Yukihanadul funny bc they can't possibly saying Kakao paid all awards they received hehe, they're loud when IVE got awards from MMA and MAMA but where are they when IVE received other 'credible' awards?
why are you guys lying then bringing up Garam like you guys didnt cyberbully her out the group? hypocrites playing victim. Tell the truth that all the criticism came from the kakao and cj enm scandal and rigged of streams and award wins.
@@selizee729 I'm am sorry but you are sadly mistaken... I stayed neutral on the matter until I could hear Garam's side of the story while everyone was shitting on a 16 year old for some shallow internet points because of their desperation for attention. I supported her then and I still support her now. Not everyone who brings up Garam in situations such as these cyberbullied her initially.
fr i looked at the comment section of the wonyoung video eating a strawberry and the comments were like, "I stan wonyoung but this is hella cringe" etc its so annoying
Ikr!!! I feel like this needs to be mentioned. Those haters be saying “I’m a DIVE and have followed Wonyoung, but I can’t defend her anymore…she’s so arrogant and cringe”… what? Do they even watch the same videos??? Or just pretending to be fans in order to seem fair and objective? 😅
and the worst part is that people are now using leeseo as a way to bully/hate on IVE, like she’s just a teenage girl who cried after winning a DAESANG, of course she would get emotional
The amount of hate Wonyoung is getting is seriously reminding of Sulli. I hate comparing the two in this way, but honestly i wouldn’t be shocked if Wonyoung ever tried doing something horrible to herself just because of the hate she’s getting. Once she’s gone then ppl are gonna be like ‘ohh she was such an angel’ or ‘she was so misunderstood’ but it’d be too late by then as ALWAYS because the public never learns from their mistakes
This. I’m so scared that she’ll hurt herself or something since she gets the most hate out of everyone just for doing the most basic human things and it pisses me off. I love her sm she’s so talented and amazing and, i just hope she never hurts herself at all. i also hope no one in ive hurts themselves either. But it also seems like she’s already doing it, since a lot of people are saying she’s starving herself or developed an eating disorder. I don’t really like talking about it since people with eds get fuels by positive and negative comments,i know since i’ve has an ed. But seriously i just hope she’s okay.
The crazy thing is, when us Dives defend the girls from all the hate they're getting, we are told that: Nobody hates them, stop saying that Wonyoung is a target for haters, y'all are toxic, 4th gen toxic blinks etc etc. It's like they're gas lighting us in a way to make us feel like we're crazy and making IVE appear like victims when they're not🤯 I understand lip-syncing is unnecessary (in most cases atl), but for it to reach national news on a major tv channel and front page news is .... Did reporters and journalists run out of topics to cover and is lip-syncing really sooo bad that they deserve to get attacked like this?
Can’t agree there - lip syncing IS that bad. You can’t call yourself a competent idol if you can’t sing live whilst dancing let alone whilst sitting down. Using audio that has been already recorded is basically fraud and a slap in the face to everyone who has been supporting you.
This is EXACTLY why you shouldn't debut minors. Wonyoung, Yujin, Leeseo all debuted as minors. I do think it's unfair for these kids that the parents think being in the public eye is a GOOD thing. It's disgusting and I blame the company.
There nothing really wrong from minors debuted (except maybe force them to do adult concept) ... We see child actors and kid singer all the time... It's netizen and how company managed them are the problem...
@@iekha_triples7718there’s plenty of reasons why minors debuting is wrong, they get hate on a daily basis and are forced to give up their childhood to be an idol. Having millions watching you and waiting for you to slip just so they can throw hate at you. There’s a reason why parents need to make decisions for their child. Being told you need to stop acting childish when you’re a child. Let’s not forget the pressure of making your fans happy and staffs who are relying on YOU for their jobs. Then we got the trainee period which messes you up real good, mentally and physically. At the end of the day these companies are draining and milking these kids out of their contract which ends up with broken adults, K-pop stans don’t have a mind of their own and believe anything they see in twitter while also thirsting over fucking kids in miniskirts dancing…
And nothing will change if netizens keep on streaming and buying albums from these groups, these companies will continue to debut kids and I won’t even be surprised if a 10 year old debuts. Which is why I suggest we all boycott groups with minors in it so that them companies won’t be getting any money from exploiting these kids. But then again, I would rather not have 500 with my name on their kill list as I would break. Hard to find a comment section where you aren’t doxxed for saying this
@@iekha_triples7718 no it's wrong That's like saying child labor is ok if you're against child labor don't turn a blind eye towards the entertainment industry Also ffs children's brains are extremely inoccent, and in a growing state it's not fully developed so can you imagine a 13-20 year old going to tons amount of s**t comments every single day? Can't imagine their mental health
I remember back in the day people hating on SNSD online, mostly Yoona. Thought it couldn't get worse. Jealous freaks, you know? Enter KARA and Hara. Can't get worse, she gets pretty much the same treatment online as Yoona ( by haters ). Later on, came Miss A and Suzy. Kind of the same as the previous two and I mostly told myself it was because of how JYP was promoting them. Enter Sulli. Hwasa. Jennie. Wonyoung. It never stopped getting worse. Like why? It's so sad.
i will never allow people to forget how the wy airport situation started over s video where it said she was "literally sprinting" WHEN SHE JUST WALKED NORMALLY
That one is so hilarious, they want her to be a mean girl so bad. I even saw ppl say that she reminds them of their bullies at school...talk about projecting...
@@imaslave4u.. that gaeul and wonyoung one is so stupid like 🤨 sure, what IF they DIDNT like each other, at the end of the day they’re still getting that bag. not everybody in life has to like each other
The ending conclusion is so true, when a new group debuts, kpop stans get a easier target as they are newly debuted, & they might let go of IVE but target the new groups.
K-pop stans don’t learn, they don’t have a mind of their own. They believe ABSOLUTELY anything on Twitter. At concerts they look like the most miserable people drenched in make up to cover their insecurities that they are projecting on idols… How can I call myself a K-pop stan if this is what they are? I must have no self respect…
Exactly, I already see some toxic k-pop Stan’s or Stan’s in general saying: “They will flop”, “They will be the reason we lose bp” but I don’t think so. I’m hoping they do good once they debut.
Yes for sure because it's already happening tho there are some toxic people hating on them and they didn't even debut yet . I hope it doesn't impact them to harshly considering while looking at the kprofiles all of them are minors .i hope people don't compare them to blackpink.
Huh Yunjin just made a song and released an MV underneath Le Sserafim’s Channel. I think it’s pretty timely given the topic. As I was listening to this, I was wondering how many people were praising the song’s meaning but in the same breath hate on Ive/Wonyoung for breathing wrong.
The vid ain't out yet but one thing that I've noticed about ppl seemingly hating the girls is that a lot of their "controversies" were started because ppl seem to self-insert themselves in their relationship & project their own issues with a member (Wonyoung particularly) & make it a big deal. For example, there are so many ppl who will be like "I'm sure the rest of the members secretly hate WY for the favouritism" & I'm like, how do YOU know that when you've never spoke to the IVE members in your entire life?! They dislike Wonyoung so much they believe the other members feel the same way & start rumours to prove it😭😭 Now, they are coming for Leeseo as well
Not to mention that these people don’t even watch IVE content because if they did they’d know that the members don’t hate her at all and are always very supportive of her and Wonyoung of them. Even recently in their newly uploaded video from the AAAs behind the scenes the members were talking about how they are happy to be here to support Wonyoung on her MC gig and Rei talked about how happy Wonyoung was that she could meet her family ( since the awards were in Rei’s hometown ) and how she’s more excited for her than Rei is for herself. People literally have ZERO idea what they’re talking about.
@@2FullMoons I mean, why do you need to fix your self-esteem and toxicity issues by yourself when you can simply create a video with Wonyoung or any other member being "rude" or not perfect and then get a bunch of likes, then you can feel better because she's being bullied! (i'm obviously joking fyi)
As someone brought up in the comment section, the hate thrown on ive/ wonyoung just proves how hypocritical certain k-pop Stans are. They be praising their faves and in the same breath hating and microanalysing anything the Ive girlies do.. it's so frustrating tbh and I'm so glad yunjin spoke up abt her and other idols' struggles and also called out pathetic antis/ haters in her song.. She's definitely gonna change the idol scene and hopefully the toxicity in the k-pop stan culture reduces one day😔
@@timoshasobaka no but that’s really how it is. That saying ‘what you say about others says more about you’ is true. What they project on IVE is who they really are. Insecure.
Let's be real here, the IVE members even if u asked them that question, do u really believe they would just tell u that they hate her, that is something they would have to keep inside, tho their is a lot of favouritism nobody can denie that, this group is not for Wonyoung and Yujin are debut, this is about making Wonyoung as high as Starship and Kakao can make her, they did so much for her already, making her 1st on PD48, always making her MC, sure Yujin does at times but very low compared to Wonyoung, this is literally about Kakao running the industry not the Idol, Wonyoung is a doll in Kakao plan's to make Kakao and Starship Idol's thr most talked about, mainly IVE, as IVE is their target for it, bcos of Wonyoung that got overly hyped and rigged at times
Kpop stans do that to every gg who's starting to get big and threaten their favs. Momoland, blackpink, aespa, ive and I'm seeing ppl who are starting to hate on njs... I'm so tired of it. They'll never let women be successful without criticizing their every move
@UCuoFfg8g52ORfJaA__HDV-g exactly... with even more groups debuting like baby monster and the competition getting more serious I can't imagine how many hate any successful 4th gen group esp gg will have to handle
True af... I saw funny efforts of degrading Lesserafim by draging them in the name of 'defending' their favs.. People need to take criticism as much as hate shouldn’t be justified
These are the same people who send their fake condolences and say 'RIP' when someone dies to suicide. They haven't learned after what happened to Sulli or Hara, they won't ever learn. As an older fan of Kpop, I've already given up on the Kpop community years ago.
A voice of reason at a time when every other creator jumps on the bandwagon and makes a video about the Strawberry Moon controversy for clicks.. truly respectable.
@@crptpyr That's the latest controversy, yes. It just goes to show how eager people are to hate on IVE. Every group has done something similar at some point, even the ones that are universally praised for their live vocals. It was a horrible move by Starship and I really wish they had not done it but the amount of hate they are getting for this specific incident is completely ridiculous.
one of the most stupid things ive gets hated on is for their red carpet outfits, specifically when wonyoung and yujin mced in award shows. if they actually watched the stream, they'd know that ive is always last to appear on the red carpet. after their walk, it's the mcs turn. both wonyoung and yujin do NOT have the time to change into their mcing dresses. it's a simple as that but others always resort to hating ive (esp wonyoung) for something out of their control.
one comment that PISSES ME off that i see people using is: "IVE have to be a social experiment" My blood boils every time i see these comments. IVE are a group of GIRLS living their dream singing and dancing to songs. WHAT did they ever do to be considered a social experiment? they are humans
The misogyny in K-pop plays a part, especially with k netizens. Anything that a boy can do it’s a problem with a girl doing it too. It’s also a bunch of hypocrisy from these netizens who criticize I’ve every chance they get.If jungkook ate the strawberry like wonyoung did not as many people would be coming for him.
Notice how male kpop idols with feminine aura are hailed as "sassy" or "he's so baby girl" or "my little meow meow 🥺" or "breaking gender stereotypes" but if a female kpop idol is confidently hyper feminine she's labelled a "snob" or ppl claim that she has a "bully aura" or she's "rude"...
This year, can toxic kpop fans finally learn the concept of "if you don't like it, then leave"? Because it really is that easy. Don't like Wonyoung's outfit? Leave. Think IVE is talentless? Leave.
it's always the expectation for idols to be **perfect**, but then as soon as they seem perfect on the surface (ie: wonyoung - rich, pretty, skinny, ostensibly 'flawless') it's "who does she think she is". i do think a lot of it comes down to malignant envy; and i haaaate when people say "you just hate them because you're jealous of them" because a lot of the time that isn't actually true. what i mean by malignant envy is that people look at wonyoung and it isn't that they think "i want what she has", it's that people think "i don't want her to have what she has, i don't believe she deserves it" also, if someone like her is praised endlessly for behaviour as a child, and existing in an environment of constant and never-ending scrutiny, she's obviously going to get arrested development and fall back on that behaviour because she just wants to be liked
Thank you for making this video. Here's a take: People are using the other girls of Ive to put down Wonyoung... You know casual peer pressure, to create fanwars. No need to put down other girls to praise your faves. Groups like Fifth Harmony have had it enough. Gaeul's 'stans' piss me off the most. Instead of calling out Starship, they are busy blaming Wonyoung for it. Line distribution, outfits, screen time and everything. She actually gets decent lines, not some random words for 3 secs or just a 'hey' like other groups (cough Kep1er cough). Wonyoung is also the center of the group, she won Produce 48 and debuted as the center, it's obvious that she will receive most promotions and sponsors. "ItS aLwAyS ThE PrEtTy GiRlS", come on!!! Why don't you spend your money and time on hyping up your girl then, instead of paying for some hate comments? If talent matters the most, go and support them then!!! Of course, this industry is toxic and pretty privilege exists(literally everywhere), but sending death threats, bodyshaming a 17 year old, and making money on "PiCk mE" TikToks and shorts to satisfy your insecurities, won't change this industry... Just saying, correct me if I'm wrong
Right I hate when people put down Wonyoung to uplift Yujins stage presence. They both have really good face expressions and stage present, there is not need to drag Wonyoung to uplift Yujin
fr those "gaeul stans" are the new "jisoo stans" literally infetalizing their favs and acting like they're being victimized by the big bad mean girl wonyoung/jennie like bffr and stop projecting
I know they say Wonyoung is hogging all the attention and that the other members deserve better, but then spend all their time focusing their hate on Wonyoung.
Rei has proven multiple times that she can sing. She’s the third best vocalist in I’ve. The reason she didn’t sing the note in eleven was because the lyrics sound like “Dive” so she would replace the word to show appreciation to her fans.
I’m looking forward to this, just got into Ive recently and i find it sad just how hated on the group and especially wonyoung is. Girl can’t even eat a strawberry without being attacked on social media!
the hate wonyoung gets pretty much just boils down to one thing: she’s young & pretty. people get insecure and in return they turn that insecurity into hate and throw it towards her. it happened to jennie, & it’s pretty much been happening throughout the course of history of the entertainment industry
For me, K-pop is more of an experience than just music. There's the dance, fashion, group activities, and a community. I hate that the connection aspect of K-pop, the joy of being excited about something with other people who are excited about the same thing, has been ruined by toxic people who either don't know or don't care that hate is not constructive.
dude something else i've noticed is that you literally cannot compliment IVE ( especially Wonyoung) without people immediately comparing them to other groups to soften the compliment. literally last week i was trying to say that i think people forget that wonyoung can serve face well and that is a talent, and the immediate response is "well shes no Jihyo or Jimin". no one is saying she is??????? people just love to shit on these girls. who cares if they aren't as talented on paper as some other groups, they're still out there doing their thing and slaying and getting more wins than your favs!
Same exact thing happened to me I said wonyoungs voice improved and I got bombarded with people telling me I was wrong cause she lip synced in another video
You literally cannot compliment Wonyoung without an anti fighting you. Trust me, I’ve tried. They come in swarms to try to discredit anything positive you have to say about Wonyoung. 😅 And worst of all, these antis will write an essay telling you why you should feel a certain way towards Wonyoung, which is so stupid…like they seriously need to get a life…
the funny thing is u could be complimenting her on literally her own fancam and u got somebody talking shit in the replies… like why are u even on a wonyoung vid if u hate her??? 😭
not a fully formed thought, but honestly, I think the reason Wonyong is so hated is because she is hard to project oneself onto. Female idols are most popular with a young female audience when these fans can become attached to them by self-projecting onto them. Yet, Wonyong has received a lot of jealousy from that same demo(having people's fave male idols fawning over her does not help her be liked by stans either). While Wonyong should be aspirational in the same way as the bp girls are, with her brand deals, etc, she is almost too perfect for young K-pop stans to pretend that they could be like her. She has always been pretty, rich, skinny and popular and seemingly nice. Not to mention, her more cutesy presentation lacks the bad girl cool factor of Jennie and Lisa that would make her less spotless and feel more powerful and in charge (though almost no female idols have much power in deciding their image). Out of jealousy, they bring her down to try to make her more accessible/relatable by making her flawed eg a mean girl with an ed. Oops I wrote a mini essay, hope it makes sense
I think you actually hit the nail in the head with this one. Kpop fans (mostly international) seem to be obsessed with the idea of an idol being relatable, funny and authentic. What they don't realize is that this "relatability" can also be a type of persona assigned by the company, just like being the badass one, the cute one or the pretty one (like in Wonyoung's case). Unfortunately, the way Wonyoung is branded is basically a magnet for weird jealous people
what worries me is that people don't always drop one target when they find another. take jennie for an example. she's been a target of massive hatred since 2018 and it didn't get any easier on her. it's actually getting more harsh.
I do agree that all IVE members should get equal opportunities to show off their talent BUT when anyone besides Wonyoung gets an opportunity to show off their talent, antis and solo stans tend to ignore it just to paint Wonyoung as the villain yet again. I often see people complaining about Liz not getting enough opportunities but during the MMA(or MAMA awards I don’t quite remember) she got a solo opportunity to play ‘Eleven’ on a piano which she did flawlessly but again everyone just ignored it. She also collaborated with Yoon and Yuqi(who are both very successful 4th idols).Gaeul got a solo dance break I believe on one of the big awards shows.Rei became the 1st 4th gen idol to cover Vogue Japan. I remember seeing a tiktok a few weeks ago of someone complaining that they give all solo opportunities to a girl that can’t hold a note( it was after the leeseo and Wonyoung scandal).
Correction: Rei isn't just 1st Kpop idol to grace Vogue Japan cover but she's overall 2nd. No idol ever graces Vogue Japan cover other than Lisa and Rei. This is huge, especially since she's a rookie of 1 year, despite being a Japanese, but of course haters chose to ignore it.
Exactly this, especially with Liz. People are painting this narritive that Liz is being pushed aside since she gained weight because she didn't get enoough lines in after like which is ONE SONG. But since after like, Liz has had more solo gigs since she did at debut. Like the piano solo and collab, She didn't get any of that last year when she was popular. And I'm also pretty sure that she got her first solo magazine cover since after like. Why do they want her to be a victim so bad.
@@ccsbm208 "when there's a villain a group, there's a victim too", haters have that kind of mindset. Since they made Wonyoung a villain, then they have to find someone to be the victim, additionally a person will also be given the role of "someone who can replace the villain" hence Liz the victim and Yujin the "better center"
I wanna touch on the favoritism part as a DIVE who follows their content. It is bull, and the people spreading this are not even IVE fans cause the reality is, DIVES don’t complain of Wonyoung being favored because we know these allegations are exaggerated. The outfits situation is so ridiculous and cherry picked because if you watch all their stages you’d know how many times other members get the so called ‘stand out outfit’, not to mention that the ‘better outfit’ is a subjective opinion. Second of all, literally all the members have solo projects and activities, Rei recently had a SOLO VOGUE JAPAN COVER, do people realize how huge that is? Gaeul had her own solo cover recently and became brand ambassador for a clothing line, Yujin is the face of Clio makeup which is one of the biggest brands in Korea, this to name a few. The girls are not treated poorly and disregarded, that’s the opinion of someone who clearly doesn’t know anything about them. Not to mention that the reality is this is a business, Wonyoung is the most popular member so of course brands and publications will REQUEST for her to work with them. That’s how business works, Starship is an agency, they make the connection between artists and brands, but the brands are the ones that CHOOSE to work with those idols. Check every IVE social media page, Wonyoung always gets the most likes, this is not about mistreating the other members, everyone gets the opportunities that are presented to them. And who is in charge of that? YOU, you want Liz to be on Won’s level of business opportunities? MAKE HER JUST AS POPULAR. People act as if Starship is actively hating on these girls when in reality they are simply providing what the PUBLIC wants. And don’t get me started on the ‘they hate her’ claims, girl, you CLEARLY don’t watch IVE content, don’t make us laugh.
literally saw a video earlier where they were doing a group dance and wony was standing in the center, so all the comments were complaining about favouritism and how it looked like "wonyoung and her co-workers" wonyoung,, is the center. most groups have one, but people don't give every other group shit for having a center for,, some reason
•I am so happy for Rei for the vogue cover, that's a great achievement! Also, I was so happy when Liz had a piano solo cover in the MMA Awards. •Recently in award shows/end of the year festival performances, Gaeul and Yujin had dance breaks. *Here are more SOLO project activities that happened to many of the IVE members, besides Wonyoung and Yujin* •Gaeul in Dec 2022, was invited to a variety show with kids (I forgot the name) * Liz and Rei went to Lee Mujin Service. * Rei and Liz had a After LIKE | Kollabo Project with LANY *Liz did a collab with YOON and Yuqi at the 2022 KBS Song Festival. *Gaeul had a solo photoshoot with Elle *Also, Gaeul had a solo photoshoot with New Balance. *Liz is stated to have her first solo photoshoot with Singles Magazine. *Feel free to include more solo activities, I might have missed more*
@@wonderlucky1912 Liz also had another solo variety appearance on a big channel last week. Liz and Rei also went to Lee Mujin Service - if the favoritism was as bad as some people claim Starship surely would have sent Yujin there first.
What worries me is that the hate might actually be getting to them; Wonyoung stepped down as the mc of music bank right after kbs started to fuel the fire about the whole lipsyncing thing even tho before she seemed to love that job, making me pretty sure that that was the reason she left, and that makes me worried since she might have came across some of the countless hate comments she was getting. I genuinely hope the members are doing fine and don't get actually affected by this whole hate wave: anytime something happens stans swear they have learned yet here they are again repeating the same old mistakes :/
nah she stepped down bc her schedules are insane, she literally had no free time with all her cfs and promotion. What makes it worse is that the company who owns music bank, KBS, posted a video bashing wonyoung which makes no sense.
@@evanwang1203 if that's the case then i'm glad she left, i don't want her to be overworked. Tho what kbs did is wrong regardless, she has been pretty loyal to them so bashing her like that is simply pointless
The hate is unreal at this point. There was recently once again a post by another CZcamsr about Wonyoung's body and how 'concerned they are' and of course the comments were vile. One person went as far as putting blame on Yujin, as the leader, for Wonyoung's perceived ED and it made me sick. People truly want IVE to be the villains and for no apparent reason whatsoever...
I've seen someone say that because she's 18 that she's old enough to "snap out of it" and essentially blaming her for possibly having an ED and they got hundreds of likes and don't even get me started on the people who regularly call her a skeleton. They claim to be concerned but they're really not.
im more worried about Leeseo than i am about wonyoung at this point. cuz leeseo is younger, and she's getting made fun of to the point where she's become a meme. plus, her individual fanbase isn't nearly as massive as wonyoung's is. i think people need to watch out for her, seriously.
I think the hate is slowly shifting to Leeseo too. Imo, both Leeseo and Wonyoung are the most hyper feminine members in the group... Notice how in kpop, female kpop idols that are hyper feminine and elegant tend to be picked apart.
I am worried too. When they first introduced her, I saw the similarities between her and WY (cute, feminine, debuted extremely young). One day, when she becomes more popular, the hate train will hit all at once. WY will no longer be a punching bag, because the haters realize they cannot break her. So, ofc it will be Leeseo next since unlike WY, Leeseo still hasn’t learned the ways of the industry yet. She doesn’t know how to mask her true feelings and naïveté 😅
"Kpop is getting worse and meaner" This is sooo true like, 2022 Kpop stans are very different from 2018-2019 stans. I see it especially on Tiktok like.... Recently, I've seen people on Tiktok seem to HATE NCT Lucas to the point, where they are bringing out previous clips of him making mistakes on stage & saying that's the reason why they won't let him back. Or they'll take clips of him not interacting with his members & say things like "I'm sure Taemin hates him" And I'm like, how do y'all know all of this? Yes, those rumours about him are quite damaging & SM refusing to let him back makes it look suspicious but some of ya'll act like if you could, you'd actually kill these idols and it's honestly so scary. I'll never understand how Wonyoung is coping, like people start things with her every Single WEEK😭
@@ikramosman7221 And the funny thing is, SA wasn't even apart of his original false allegations, people just added it out of nowhere & now so many people seem to believe it to be true😭
I respect IVE because even though the girls may be young , they work their asses of to become a success , to achieve popularity and to perform for their fans . It's sad that the people who hate on IVE and Wonyoung don't have much going on in their lives so they find the smallest issue to target IVE on . Wonyoung is beautiful,talented ,and hardworking at such a young age . All members of IVE deserve to be in their group . They still have a long way to go in their careers , and tbh IVE needs to stay strong together !!
I still remember when IVE and LE sserafim lip synced last week and people shamed wonyoung (mostly) and Leeseo but excused le sserafim with bs excuses like they’re better singers (both groups only have 1 GOOD vocalist so i don’t wanna hear that) and they always sing live like they didn’t lip sync most of antifragile era. Also IVE has sung live multiple times especially during festivals and i even saw a live performance about a week ago during awards season but i guess that’s not related to the narrative. Note idc if LE sserafim or IVE or any group lip syncs but keep the same energy.
That’s what I am saying it’s so annoying that fearnots/fimmies (or whatever their ugly ass fandom name is) always comes to le sserafims defence but never keep the same energy for ive. And same for the maknaes for both groups. Like they baby eunchae ( mind you I love eunchae) and say they love her just being herself or being the biggest maknae they have ever seen yet they turn around and hate on leeso for “crying” at the award show like ya it was a bit cringy but that does not mean a mass bully squad happening. Like the jokes grown people are making on her like bffr
first of all no fearnot accused ive for lipsync its knet who accused them. lsf lip sync their song but ive lypsync iu song one of the most famous artist in korea offcurse they goona get dragged. Simply put, if you're going to perform a vocal cover of any artist's song, don't lipsync. and that why ive get hate bc their always drag lsf in their fav problem.
@@slaypa whoever accused doesn't matter bc it's became big deal bc they lipsync iu song and it's vocal cover offcourse they gonna get dragged like she's biggest and most loved artist in South Korea.
Ive has any problems other kpop group have nowadays, weak vocalist, lip sync, etc etc…literally name one 4th gen group that doesnt have that problem. But i genuinely think people pick on ANYTHING they do so they can hate on wonyoung. Wonyoung is legit one of the most beautiful people ive ever seen and people are genuinely ENRAGED that she gets the spotlight she does so they try to take her down by anything.
True, even in the lip sync issue she was the main focus of attacks. Lip sync is common in kpop, kpop groups even lip sync on radio shows and those so called "live" CZcams channels. Till now I see TikTok videos mocking her, any video that praises her has a mass influx of hate comments masked as personal opinions. This same kpop fans claim to be against bullying but it's truly disturbing seeing how most kpop fans are soooo comfortable mocking her. It's at a level that it's as if there's a deep hatred against her.
Now that u say this there would def be a person saying "um nmixx🤓" I saw it on comments under a post praising ives live vocals too that nmixx does it better but how r u comparing nmixx which is a vocal led group to ive that has 2 yet improved so much and nmixx is literally the standard it's like an average student getting 90% but sumone saying a consistent talented student brought 99 like ofcourse....why can't u just praise or just scroll and leave....
If Starship started sueing Wonyoung haters the narrative would be "Look at how the company only cares for Wonyoung! Favoritism" "Look at how she can't take 'criticism'! So arrogant"
I honestly don't know how people don't realize they are acting like bullies. If you don't like an idol or a group, why give them attention? And I can't say it's bc their young, because I've seen adults acting like this
The amount of hate they are getting, this is an important topic, & especially when the centre of their group is hated a lot they get a lot of attention and hate for that.
True. All groups have centres and they are not always the most talented but they still receive the most attention. Why is that only a problem with Wonyoung? And why is that NEVER a problem with boy groups?
The part where you said ppl are getting paid for hating IVE. I think it's true cause if you notice the tiktok's reels shorts which hate on IVE have so many fcking views and Dives even saw one hate tik tok under which it was tagged paid partnership.....
I think before covid, everyone was out enjoying life, but then now people are staying at home more and have somehow decided to direct their anger at the world to the idols
it’s so funny how these people were the ones comparing young rich successful wonyoung to “miserable” and “untalented” garam just a few months ago. im tired of them acting like it’s impossible to live a single day without tearing young women down
Damn, this video needs to be seen by way more people. I have so many thoughts, i'm not a stan of much new ggs except for le sserafim, who im slowly becoming a fan of. however, i do see a lot of content related to 4th gen ggs on social media- mainly instagram, which is what I use. and the hate comments for ive, holy shit. especially wonyoung, no other hate comments match the insanity of that. its only reminiscent of the comments i've seen about like, soyeon or blackpink members sometimes. soyeon's hate is dying off; blackpink will always have many fans who have different wacky opinions. but this? something else, honestly. even with aespa, the hate was.. evenly distributed, i feel. (that sounds awful, i know.) but wow, kpoppies love finding a new girl group to hate. im saying this as a boy group stan. and they love hating female idols. and other comments have brought up cases such as jennie and even sulli and that's exactly what i think of too. this is disturbing behavior on the fans part. i dont care if wonyoung lipsyncs while doing a fucking solo, at this point- bro, what excuses this hate on someone who entered the industry as a minor??? someone who's still so young?? who gives a shit about the lipsyncing at the end of the day, is the world ending?? shes not a doctor who's career involves life saving, its not that serious, be fucking for real
i also think theres an interesting problem thats almost a dilemma or paradox in the kpop world. idols are being exploited. fact. some idols can improve skills and sing live more. also a fact. we dont know idol's health situations or other factors making their lives hard. another fact. so basically, fans are so fed up over nothing, that things get ridiculous at a point on both sides. yes, kpop idols visuals shouldnt matter more than singing, so the companies need to do better. however, the companies...dont really care. however, fans care way too much and repeat the same criticisms even in lighthearted contexts. if i said 'i like wonyoungs voice', what do you think the replies would be? you guessed it, malicious as fuck. even if i wasn't saying anything untrue, even if i was paying a compliment, my own opinion.
i do think ive can improve, though people criticizing group dynamics are kind of goofy. i like group dynamics please dont get me wrong but why should that be more important than the music??? i do think idols in general shouldnt be lipsyncing while sitting down. (i dont care about them doing so when dancing, but thats my own controversial opinion). however, nothing warrants this much hate on a group, let alone one person. these are the same hypocrites who cry about idols' mental health when things are revealed later. do not be hypocrites. for the love of fuck
They're gonna end up pushing wonyoung to her edge. Suicide is already common in kpop and Korea so the fact that her and leesso alone are taking the brunt of all the hate comments is crazy. If you don't wanna lose another bright star, stop the unnecessary hate on wonyoung. Please.
And those same people who push idols to do the unthinkable will be the first to post on twitter and IG about how we lost such beautiful souls to hatred… 🤦🏻♀️
if Wonyoung wasn't in IVE, they wouldn't get as much hate as they have now and that's really sad because you can see how insecure and jealous people are of her to the point that they hate her and her group for every little thing they do.. The things IVE has done so far would never get hate if it was another group doing the EXACT same thing they did. if the strawberry thing was done by, for example Winter, it would've been simply seen as cute and adorable. when the lipsyncing while seating (which has been done by thousands of idols throughout the years) were done by Lesserafim as well, they never got called untalented, useless, pretty faces, got death threats, laughed at etc. but IVE did. IVE constantly gets called coworkers because they're all quiet and don't do activities together everyday but Nmixx who are all loud and enjoy games but clearly are not close with each other get called best friends. if anything, Nmixx are what I'd call co-workers and IVE friends. And it pains me to say that all this hate they're receiving is 90% because of the fact that Wonyoung is in the group. I just really hope that they continue on thriving as a group and as individuals.
@@wonyoricky probably -.- i mean you don't have to like them or be a fan but like be a decent person and be factual. how can anyone hate someone they've never met
I have a theory that a lot of Kpop stans superimpose themselves with their biases and ults. So if their bias is the best vocal/dancer/prettiest visual, or if their ults are the biggest groups of all-time/have the most daesangs or awards, then _they_ are the best. The "this group isn't like the xxxxxx they're so refreshing" and "this 2nd/3rd/4th gen group is the best group to exist and *I'm* their stan".
just started watching... but one quick thought... why do we still call these toxic people "K-Pop stans" or "Netizens" and not what they are... "bullies" (or "trolls" or "toxic idiots")? Same goes for all self-proclaimed fans of individual artists that throw hate around or behave toxic against other artists or fandoms. Those are not "real" fans. They're just bullies that happen to choose these specific social groups as an excuse to bully others. If there was no K-Pop (or K-Pop wouldn't be so popular, therefore guarantee attention) than it would be something else... like soccer or anything really.
Specially in TikTok, I was very surprised looking at all the comments criticizing Wonyoung. It ranges from A very well though out critique that ultimately blames the management behind her than her herself to a critique that screams insecurities.
When I watched the clip of Wonyoung and Leeseo lipsynching I didn't even care cos half the industry is busy doing it even if it's once in a while . The girls can clearly sing as I've watched clips of them singing in their mv behind. I even saw clips of people saying IVE is disrespectful cos they didn't bow? Even people making fun of one of the members crying ? Why so much hate !? Let this girls live and enjoy their careers . IVE deserve better , they don't deserve this trash kpop community bashing them .
what's even worse about this is when people provide valid criticism about ive, it gets overshadowed because of the unnecessary amount of hate they already get.
TW: Potential Disordered Eating Going back to the strawberry thing... It really bugs me that she gets hate for just actually eating (in a manner that would typically be considered good manners for a camera, like us not seeing into her mouth when chewing), and then in the same breath they concern troll that she's "too thin". I would hope that if that were a problem that Starship would address it, but why do the haters gotta tell her to eat but "omg that way is so cringe!" If I were in her position, that would actually be a recipe for disordered eating for me since I'd be in the public eye and my god I get hate for how I eat on camera but also my god I get hate if I don't eat either. She literally can't win.
Girl I feel like it could be a huge company that tried to snatch wonyoung after iz*one but she rejected and they’ve been trying to sabotage her ever since then, because there was NO hate for wonyoung when you was in izone
In my 15 years as kpop fans... Nothing change much, it just since kpop massive popularity worldwide... We got more of those "bully" and the internet work so fast, as fast as the hate train.... I remember when SNSD debuted, they're so popular that others big fandom can't take it and decide they want to give them the "Black Ocean". Haters, all the same. I just hope the IVE members are strong enough to overcome all these hates train.
One year it was blackpink, the next it was aespa, now it's ive. 4th gen gg stans (especially ones that were successful this year) i hate to say this but be ready for anything and i mean anything. I say this as someone who was a blink, my, and currently a dive (ik just my luck). Though it will get better eventually (never completely) prepare urself for war.
dives actually found a few hate vids on tiktok that are sponsored. we're already suspicious of the algorithm because every ive hate vid can easily reach 1m views, but seeing vids that have the "paid partnership" tag below was even more weird. we've been sending proofs to sse but we haven't seen any action from them.
The hate about the pizza ad is ridonkulous! ITS A FCKING AD OFC SHE'S SUPPOSED TO EXAGGERATE! THERE ARE ADS OF PEOPLE DANCING IN A DISH SOAP AD, WHY ARE PEOPLE SO MAD ABOUT THE PIZZA ONE?!
These antis are so hypocritical too; they will turn Ive into their personal punching bag and hate on them for every single thing they do and then preach about idol's mental health. They want to protect minors in the industry but still find the time to make fun of Leeseo acceptance speech.
The fact that starship doesn't give a f about this and keeps getting away with these controversies is really annoying me. obviously the girls are getting hurt and it effects their mental health.
Yes I remember when one of the IVE members Liz gained a little bit of weight, the amount of hate comments and hate videos I seen about it. •There a video of IVE at a football game, where all of the IVE members were eating and you could see Liz was uncomfortable, scared to eat. •This makes me so sad. I think Liz now looks slightly more confident so I hope she is okay.
@@wonderlucky1912 yeah true, I feel really bad for her since she's a minor and she has to go through this just because of people hating her for gaining a little weight and looking healthy.
I personally think IVE has better stage presence than NMIXX. NMIXX stares directly into the camera and aren't as good as their dance practice videos. I think IVE shows more consistency and have different facial expressions. I liked this video!
Recently during the strawberry moon controversy KBS released a video with a title slamming Wonyoung and Leeseo about lip syncing. As in KBS the company that Wonyoung is an MC for on their music show. Asking if she really deserves to be a singer because she lip synced. Are they pandering to the masses to get views and support? Or something like that? The IVE girls just get unnessecary hate fr
ive and blackpink are so similiar. loved by everyone till it comes to them being more successful. the way everyone turned their backs on bp after d4, the same way everyone did w ive during the award show season. you hype the group up sm, give them sm love, then when they get the success (bcs of you!) , you hate on them?? make it make sense. bp starts getting hate unprovoked, blinks defend, blinks are toxic ! ive starts getting hate unprovoked, dives defend, dives are toxic! and obviously both fandoms get terrible reputations, OTHER fandoms start ganging up on them. armyonces for blinks, and fearnots x neverlands for ive. its so annoying, i wish blinks and dives would understand each other's situation.
haven't started the video but i was waiting for something like this cause even as someone who doesn't really keep up with ive i can tell the hate they have been getting is ridiculous! it's honestly just sad
People should complain about starship making wonyoung starve ...the day is not far wonyoung will faint eventually on stage she is literally not ok Her health is degrading day by day... People talk about wonyoung getting good outfits , more schedules and lots of stuff but does anyone care about how hard it is for her to do all those things and keeping on a personality that starship forces her to and after doing all these things her company says , what did she get ? A bunch of hate and nothing else . Starship is making wonyoung a way to get ive popular , maybe all that you see what wonyoung is doing is not something she wants but she is forced to do . So ultimately wonyoung is sandwiched between netizens hate and starships Purposes , she is the victim not the princess
I really hope there's somebody in the company checking on Wonyoung's mental health, I really don't want another tragedy and lose another idol to hate and mental health, especially one that's so young This is another great video about IVE's "controversies" and why they're hated so much, they did a great job and debunking the bullshit: czcams.com/video/YlYR3PLTB2g/video.html
I've been fan of kpop since 2011 and the last time I saw this big hate towards one spesific individual, it didn't end well. Also, these hates towards I've is worse than the hate I've seen over some idol that more problematic (using illegal drug, sex offender, etc) People could simply leave I've alone but they don't. They want their fav raise by bring other idol down. Insane.
I am a Desi and I watched that clip and didn't find it offensive in the slightest these people who aren't even Desi are pretending to be woke just to bully these poor girls same with itzy I didn't find that clip offensive at all people should actually listen to the community that it's supposedly "offending" these people don't even care about Desis they just wanna find an excuse to bully these teenagers
Bro the hierarchy representation of Ive. I literally spilled my noodles😂
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@@everglowup sorry but as a DIVE, I disagree with the hierarchy, that’s not how the IVE members are treated. And I find it quite insulting on the behalf of the members.
@@2FullMoons I never said that's how they are treated tho, it's literally an exaggeration, tf?
@@2FullMoons self-proclaimed representative 😭
@@Alexza525 it's the "as a DIVE" for me as if that makes your opinion more important, lmao ☠️
kpop stans are like "we should protect the minors!" then attack leeseo for everything she does 😭
Lmao this is soo true
Lmaoo
and "we should stop bullying" then bully those idols with bullying scandals, which most of them are just not true....😒
I’m almost convinced no one actually hates Leeso but rather she’s just a scapegoat ready in the chamber so that when called out haters of Wonyoung can point to another IVE member they also “hate”
Think about it. You come off more unhinged if your hate is targeted towards 1 person vs a group
@@joyjoyjoy6612 This!
ive is a perfect example of kpop stans being hyprocital asf
exactly, the other day on twitter when k-netizens were comparing the lip syncing situations of IVE and LESSERAFIM and they came to a conclusion that only IVE is getting criticized for it when other have done it as well, but the qrts under those tweets were saying “it’s ok because they have proven their talented”, “they have sang live more times than IVE so it doesn’t matter” or “IVEs hate is deserved because they have never sang live” type of things and the thing is… they weren’t even trying to hide that they are being hypocritical, they were just saying most of that because they felt like they needed to bring down IVE to “attempt” make them look bad.
and before any bozos come here commenting “well LE SSERAFIMS choreography is harder so it’s makes sense why they lip synced”, the k-netizens were comparing moments when both IVE a and LE SSERAFIM lip synced while sitting down and also I am commenting this as an example of what hypocrisy is.
because why are you only criticizing IVE for lip-syncing but brushing it off when LESSERAFIM does it? regardless of talent or not they have both lip-synced and it’s never ok to bring any groups down for that since everyone (not only k-pop) has done it.
@@FactCheck_127 Lesserafim we're also caught sitting and lip-syncing o sour grapes. Only no one cares as long as it isn't I’VE
@@FactCheck_127 did you even know what went down on Twitter? the comparison was that they both were sitting down while lip syncing, go do research instead of replying. And also no one was talking about choreographies
@@FactCheck_127 didn’t lesserafim lip sync to sour grapes while sitting down? and when were we talking about choreo?
@@FactCheck_127 even after they called you out you are being hypocritical, like OP was tying to say that lesserafim also lip synced like bffr
Recently Liz did solo live where she sang karaoke casually. I thought she sounded good and that people would praise her. But majority of comments were
"too bad her company is focusing on visuals"
"and then there are Leeseo and WY lip syncing"
"She has talents unlike her members"
These people are actually villians.
They're trying to justify their hate on Wonyoung by painting Liz as a victim. But the thing here is that they're not "fighting for Liz", they're using Liz and the other members as reasons to hate on Wonyoung and indirectly "destroying IVE and discouraging new fans from stanning them". They don't actually care about Liz, even as she is given opportunities to grow her image.
I've seen so many of these comments lately.. it's absolutely disgusting. Knowing what an absolute angel Liz is makes it twice as disgusting to be using her to hate on her dear members.
I feel bad for Liz and Gaeul bc most of their 'fans' are just IVE haters... They don't actually support them in any meaningful way. They just use the as tools to give the other members shit. If Gaeul and Liz had a exclusive brand deal, I bet they would buy anything and when the brand dropped them, they would blame Starship. They remind me of Luna's stans in f(X) using her to shit on Sulli&Krystal and then not supporting her solo activities in any way.
@YurinaILY🌸 idk if they bought everything from the vegan beauty campaign by olive young that liz promoted, but sometimes I think people don't even know the solo activities of other ive members
I like IVE, I remember seeing a tiktok about Liz solo live and I was happy to hear her vocals.
I did see a lot of comments praising Liz but I agree with you, I did see comments that were saying those horrible things.
It’s so frustrating.
Whenever a girl group debuts everyone is so supportive and bringing them up but once they see that same group is getting more popular than their faves they’ll turn on that group so damn quickly it’ll give you whiplash.
The hipocrisy
Fr, the way kpop fans were HYPING IVE up almost the entire year but then when the award show season came and they won over their faves they suddenly didn't deserve anything was so shocking to me. Like I get being upset that your fave didn't win, but people were fr acting like the 3 title tracks that IVE released this year weren't trending for the entire year
@@slurp4495 I KNOWW, and then now they're winning awards left and right they're all suddenly "how did IVE win SOTY, rigged award show" as if yall weren't just participating in trends with their songs.
G DRAGON KING ,
@@slurp4495 EXACTLY. it all started from the award show season.
during the height of the strawberry moon lipsyncing fiasco, wonyoung went on pm late at night and told dives that she gains strength from us and if someone is giving her a hard time she always thinks "i have dives. you're jealous, right." it was a very weird and concerning message, especially when you remember that at the start of 2022, wonyoung trended for her words "i don't care. you are you, and i am me." after ive landed on thailand for gda, she went on pm again and said that she doesn't feel well but there's nothing she can do. it's clear that the intense ongoing hate train has changed her a little. i hope 2023 will be a lot kinder to ive, even if the start has been the opposite.
I'm honestly not surprised. The sheer amount of hate & negative fixation on Wonyoung is truly inhumane & demonic in every way possible. Even the strongest of minds can break under such constant psychological abuse. I just hope that Wonyoung has a very strong support system with her members & her family that actively comforts & encourages her because a lot of dives are clearly not giving it to her😭 & I am 99% positive the ongoing hate is what contributes to her worrying weight issue
kpop stans will riot when a minor is debuting or when an idol expresses mental difficulties but then will be the cause of those idols problems. They will do everything to promote anti cyber bullying but then jump on any hatred on a gg. Momoland, BP then Twice, itzy, then aespa and now Ive. I won’t be surprised if it happens to groups like newjeans for example
K-pop stans are honestly the worst set of fans I’ve ever seen, I am ashamed to even call myself one.
It's really sad that she was in the spotlight from such a young age and hate followed her pretty much since the beginning it's terrible and I hope she has a support system and help if needed
Actualy I remember the amount of hate Sulli was getting. And now those bitches miss her and call her angel. sorry for bringing this sad example but I want no more cases like this in kpop. Those 13 years old kids need to stop writing hate comments to the girls who are famous, actualy worked hard to make their dream come true, and are prettier than them. I really hope she has no mental health issues😓❤
Ive be slowly becoming the whole kpop community's personal punching bag in the 4th gen. Sheesh ppl are just craving for drama atp, I swear 💀
Kpop fan just love drama
They’re reminding me of how blackpink were getting treated in 2018
atleast aespa are free
@@M5FTZ right 2018 was a mess for blackpink
K-pop stans gotta be the most miserable people to be doing that
I found it hysterical when so many people were calling Love Dive SOTY and when they actually got the daesangs, they switched up and said they didn't deserve the award💀
There is a lot more gg stans in K-Pop than there has ever been but most of times, they are the first to start dragging down other ggs because of popularity. Seen it with Garam, Wonyoung, Jennie etc.
Stan K-Pop has reached such a level of toxicity that there feels like there is no point of return. Everyone just abuses their anonymity on the internet to air out their insecurities on idols. I've never felt more disappointed and embarrassed EVER.
Love Dive absolutely did deserve SOTY. I’m glad it won.
They said that Love Dive doesn’t SOTY because of the whole Kakao ent scandal
@@Yukihanadul funny bc they can't possibly saying Kakao paid all awards they received hehe, they're loud when IVE got awards from MMA and MAMA but where are they when IVE received other 'credible' awards?
why are you guys lying then bringing up Garam like you guys didnt cyberbully her out the group? hypocrites playing victim. Tell the truth that all the criticism came from the kakao and cj enm scandal and rigged of streams and award wins.
@@selizee729 I'm am sorry but you are sadly mistaken...
I stayed neutral on the matter until I could hear Garam's side of the story while everyone was shitting on a 16 year old for some shallow internet points because of their desperation for attention.
I supported her then and I still support her now.
Not everyone who brings up Garam in situations such as these cyberbullied her initially.
And then the haters try to gaslight people into thinking what they’re doing is okay by saying “don’t get me wrong, I love wonyoung but-“ like💀💀
fr i looked at the comment section of the wonyoung video eating a strawberry and the comments were like, "I stan wonyoung but this is hella cringe" etc its so annoying
@@kwtelyn_ it's obvious they don't like her lol
like no you don't love her😭😭
Ikr!!! I feel like this needs to be mentioned. Those haters be saying “I’m a DIVE and have followed Wonyoung, but I can’t defend her anymore…she’s so arrogant and cringe”… what? Do they even watch the same videos??? Or just pretending to be fans in order to seem fair and objective? 😅
I believe they're the same ppl who start off with "not to be rude but..." and then say the most fucked up stuff
This really needs to be talked about! I'm tired of all the hate they are getting especially recently it's just so ridiculous.
YES!! SAME HERE
and the worst part is that people are now using leeseo as a way to bully/hate on IVE, like she’s just a teenage girl who cried after winning a DAESANG, of course she would get emotional
G DRAGON THE KING ,
@@himaririku9254 king of racism 💖‼️
@@etherealrune757 AHAAAA FACTS
The amount of hate Wonyoung is getting is seriously reminding of Sulli. I hate comparing the two in this way, but honestly i wouldn’t be shocked if Wonyoung ever tried doing something horrible to herself just because of the hate she’s getting. Once she’s gone then ppl are gonna be like ‘ohh she was such an angel’ or ‘she was so misunderstood’ but it’d be too late by then as ALWAYS because the public never learns from their mistakes
This. I’m so scared that she’ll hurt herself or something since she gets the most hate out of everyone just for doing the most basic human things and it pisses me off. I love her sm she’s so talented and amazing and, i just hope she never hurts herself at all. i also hope no one in ive hurts themselves either. But it also seems like she’s already doing it, since a lot of people are saying she’s starving herself or developed an eating disorder. I don’t really like talking about it since people with eds get fuels by positive and negative comments,i know since i’ve has an ed. But seriously i just hope she’s okay.
The crazy thing is, when us Dives defend the girls from all the hate they're getting, we are told that: Nobody hates them, stop saying that Wonyoung is a target for haters, y'all are toxic, 4th gen toxic blinks etc etc. It's like they're gas lighting us in a way to make us feel like we're crazy and making IVE appear like victims when they're not🤯
I understand lip-syncing is unnecessary (in most cases atl), but for it to reach national news on a major tv channel and front page news is ....
Did reporters and journalists run out of topics to cover and is lip-syncing really sooo bad that they deserve to get attacked like this?
I agree that that shouldn’t be happening. I have seen some toxic dives occasionally that have told people to go off themselves 😬
Can’t agree there - lip syncing IS that bad. You can’t call yourself a competent idol if you can’t sing live whilst dancing let alone whilst sitting down. Using audio that has been already recorded is basically fraud and a slap in the face to everyone who has been supporting you.
@Kimi so ALL current idols are frauds then? That's what you're saying, since they've all used lipsync
@@kimiberger so even your favs are frauds then since they lip sync too??
@@kimiberger lip syncing is something prevalent in the music industry its not just kpop. A lot of famous artists ect have lip synced
#defendIVE 💙
thank you so much cheryl, thank you for not being afraid to speak up!!
This is EXACTLY why you shouldn't debut minors. Wonyoung, Yujin, Leeseo all debuted as minors. I do think it's unfair for these kids that the parents think being in the public eye is a GOOD thing. It's disgusting and I blame the company.
There nothing really wrong from minors debuted (except maybe force them to do adult concept) ... We see child actors and kid singer all the time... It's netizen and how company managed them are the problem...
@@iekha_triples7718there’s plenty of reasons why minors debuting is wrong, they get hate on a daily basis and are forced to give up their childhood to be an idol. Having millions watching you and waiting for you to slip just so they can throw hate at you. There’s a reason why parents need to make decisions for their child. Being told you need to stop acting childish when you’re a child. Let’s not forget the pressure of making your fans happy and staffs who are relying on YOU for their jobs. Then we got the trainee period which messes you up real good, mentally and physically. At the end of the day these companies are draining and milking these kids out of their contract which ends up with broken adults, K-pop stans don’t have a mind of their own and believe anything they see in twitter while also thirsting over fucking kids in miniskirts dancing…
And nothing will change if netizens keep on streaming and buying albums from these groups, these companies will continue to debut kids and I won’t even be surprised if a 10 year old debuts. Which is why I suggest we all boycott groups with minors in it so that them companies won’t be getting any money from exploiting these kids. But then again, I would rather not have 500 with my name on their kill list as I would break. Hard to find a comment section where you aren’t doxxed for saying this
@@iekha_triples7718 this is such a stupid take. there is everything wrong with debuting minors
@@iekha_triples7718 no it's wrong
That's like saying child labor is ok if you're against child labor don't turn a blind eye towards the entertainment industry
Also ffs children's brains are extremely inoccent, and in a growing state it's not fully developed so can you imagine a 13-20 year old going to tons amount of s**t comments every single day? Can't imagine their mental health
as a stan from debut the hate is just so unnecessary😭
Exactly
G DRAGON KING ,
fr tho
I remember back in the day people hating on SNSD online, mostly Yoona. Thought it couldn't get worse. Jealous freaks, you know?
Enter KARA and Hara. Can't get worse, she gets pretty much the same treatment online as Yoona ( by haters ).
Later on, came Miss A and Suzy. Kind of the same as the previous two and I mostly told myself it was because of how JYP was promoting them.
Enter Sulli.
Hwasa.
Jennie.
Wonyoung.
It never stopped getting worse. Like why? It's so sad.
At some point momland and nancy and literally everybody in aespa
@@inseungwoonamewestan1196 There are so many of them. And I remember Kyla too.
Yeri..
Yuna from Itzy. What's next?
@@absolutelynotellen Probably the Baemon girls once they debut. Wouldn't surprise me.
i will never allow people to forget how the wy airport situation started over s video where it said she was "literally sprinting" WHEN SHE JUST WALKED NORMALLY
EXACTLY!!! LEAVE WONYOUNG ALONE!!!
That one is so hilarious, they want her to be a mean girl so bad. I even saw ppl say that she reminds them of their bullies at school...talk about projecting...
@@TT-ee1vv Seriously!!!! Sometimes I can't help but wonder how does Wonyoung deal with this psychotic, demonic hatred?!!!
@@TT-ee1vvI know right, then people were tryna say gaeul + wony hate each other Etc Etc, when they are actually close
@@imaslave4u.. that gaeul and wonyoung one is so stupid like 🤨 sure, what IF they DIDNT like each other, at the end of the day they’re still getting that bag. not everybody in life has to like each other
The ending conclusion is so true, when a new group debuts, kpop stans get a easier target as they are newly debuted, & they might let go of IVE but target the new groups.
The never-ending vicious cycle.
K-pop stans don’t learn, they don’t have a mind of their own. They believe ABSOLUTELY anything on Twitter. At concerts they look like the most miserable people drenched in make up to cover their insecurities that they are projecting on idols… How can I call myself a K-pop stan if this is what they are? I must have no self respect…
Honestly im kinda worried for that
i just know the next target is going to be either newjeans (minji or danielle) or baby monster (the center probably)
@@inseungwoonamewestan1196as if newjeans don't get a ton of hate already💀 with people twisting or ignoring things to fit their narrative
When you said “an easier target” I immediately thought of Baby Monster, we really need to pray for those girls
It's already starting for them. First they'll be praised immensely, win awards then the hate will start.
Exactly, I already see some toxic k-pop Stan’s or Stan’s in general saying: “They will flop”, “They will be the reason we lose bp” but I don’t think so. I’m hoping they do good once they debut.
Yep, that was my thought.
Yes for sure because it's already happening tho there are some toxic people hating on them and they didn't even debut yet . I hope it doesn't impact them to harshly considering while looking at the kprofiles all of them are minors .i hope people don't compare them to blackpink.
Oh honey am so praying for those girls I can feel the the hate towards them already
Huh Yunjin just made a song and released an MV underneath Le Sserafim’s Channel. I think it’s pretty timely given the topic. As I was listening to this, I was wondering how many people were praising the song’s meaning but in the same breath hate on Ive/Wonyoung for breathing wrong.
Yunjin be calling them out her song just proves everything to be true
So many females idols can relate to her song
Truly a genius
YuNjin
yunjin*
but also yeah her talking abt being compared to a doll and ppl criticising her body rlly made me thing of Wonyoung tbh
I love that song and the music video
frrr
The vid ain't out yet but one thing that I've noticed about ppl seemingly hating the girls is that a lot of their "controversies" were started because ppl seem to self-insert themselves in their relationship & project their own issues with a member (Wonyoung particularly) & make it a big deal. For example, there are so many ppl who will be like "I'm sure the rest of the members secretly hate WY for the favouritism" & I'm like, how do YOU know that when you've never spoke to the IVE members in your entire life?!
They dislike Wonyoung so much they believe the other members feel the same way & start rumours to prove it😭😭 Now, they are coming for Leeseo as well
Not to mention that these people don’t even watch IVE content because if they did they’d know that the members don’t hate her at all and are always very supportive of her and Wonyoung of them. Even recently in their newly uploaded video from the AAAs behind the scenes the members were talking about how they are happy to be here to support Wonyoung on her MC gig and Rei talked about how happy Wonyoung was that she could meet her family ( since the awards were in Rei’s hometown ) and how she’s more excited for her than Rei is for herself. People literally have ZERO idea what they’re talking about.
@@2FullMoons I mean, why do you need to fix your self-esteem and toxicity issues by yourself when you can simply create a video with Wonyoung or any other member being "rude" or not perfect and then get a bunch of likes, then you can feel better because she's being bullied! (i'm obviously joking fyi)
As someone brought up in the comment section, the hate thrown on ive/ wonyoung just proves how hypocritical certain k-pop Stans are. They be praising their faves and in the same breath hating and microanalysing anything the Ive girlies do.. it's so frustrating tbh and I'm so glad yunjin spoke up abt her and other idols' struggles and also called out pathetic antis/ haters in her song.. She's definitely gonna change the idol scene and hopefully the toxicity in the k-pop stan culture reduces one day😔
@@timoshasobaka no but that’s really how it is. That saying ‘what you say about others says more about you’ is true. What they project on IVE is who they really are. Insecure.
Let's be real here, the IVE members even if u asked them that question, do u really believe they would just tell u that they hate her, that is something they would have to keep inside, tho their is a lot of favouritism nobody can denie that, this group is not for Wonyoung and Yujin are debut, this is about making Wonyoung as high as Starship and Kakao can make her, they did so much for her already, making her 1st on PD48, always making her MC, sure Yujin does at times but very low compared to Wonyoung, this is literally about Kakao running the industry not the Idol, Wonyoung is a doll in Kakao plan's to make Kakao and Starship Idol's thr most talked about, mainly IVE, as IVE is their target for it, bcos of Wonyoung that got overly hyped and rigged at times
they were always so hypocrite, they praise eunchae for act like her age but them also they hating on leeseo for acting like her age..
Disgusting, it's the audacity and hypocrisy for me 🤮🤮🤮
Yeahhh like can't they praise BOTH???
@@straww_berryyy like fr
Kpop stans do that to every gg who's starting to get big and threaten their favs. Momoland, blackpink, aespa, ive and I'm seeing ppl who are starting to hate on njs... I'm so tired of it. They'll never let women be successful without criticizing their every move
@UCuoFfg8g52ORfJaA__HDV-g exactly... with even more groups debuting like baby monster and the competition getting more serious I can't imagine how many hate any successful 4th gen group esp gg will have to handle
The fact that kpop stans are becoming misogynistic is really concerning.
@@hyeinbunnie they always were, now they just have a bigger platform
@@bornpink3069 so true
True af... I saw funny efforts of degrading Lesserafim by draging them in the name of 'defending' their favs.. People need to take criticism as much as hate shouldn’t be justified
These are the same people who send their fake condolences and say 'RIP' when someone dies to suicide. They haven't learned after what happened to Sulli or Hara, they won't ever learn. As an older fan of Kpop, I've already given up on the Kpop community years ago.
I don't blame you at all in the slightest, these kpop stans are spawns of Satan towards these innocent idols
You spoke pure facts k pop fans will probably never learn
A voice of reason at a time when every other creator jumps on the bandwagon and makes a video about the Strawberry Moon controversy for clicks.. truly respectable.
wait what's the controversy??? is it literally just that they weren't singing live bc if it's that is2g
@@crptpyr That's the latest controversy, yes. It just goes to show how eager people are to hate on IVE. Every group has done something similar at some point, even the ones that are universally praised for their live vocals. It was a horrible move by Starship and I really wish they had not done it but the amount of hate they are getting for this specific incident is completely ridiculous.
one of the most stupid things ive gets hated on is for their red carpet outfits, specifically when wonyoung and yujin mced in award shows. if they actually watched the stream, they'd know that ive is always last to appear on the red carpet. after their walk, it's the mcs turn. both wonyoung and yujin do NOT have the time to change into their mcing dresses. it's a simple as that but others always resort to hating ive (esp wonyoung) for something out of their control.
one comment that PISSES ME off that i see people using is:
"IVE have to be a social experiment" My blood boils every time i see these comments. IVE are a group of GIRLS living their dream singing and dancing to songs. WHAT did they ever do to be considered a social experiment? they are humans
anyways
@@sm1purplmurderedme583 ???
it’s the fact that people are hating on them for the smallest things…
The misogyny in K-pop plays a part, especially with k netizens. Anything that a boy can do it’s a problem with a girl doing it too. It’s also a bunch of hypocrisy from these netizens who criticize I’ve every chance they get.If jungkook ate the strawberry like wonyoung did not as many people would be coming for him.
Notice how male kpop idols with feminine aura are hailed as "sassy" or "he's so baby girl" or "my little meow meow 🥺" or "breaking gender stereotypes" but if a female kpop idol is confidently hyper feminine she's labelled a "snob" or ppl claim that she has a "bully aura" or she's "rude"...
in ive case Its international kpop fans that has this unreasonable hate towards ive esspecially WONYOUNG
As a blink I totally understand what the group and their fandom is going through. But focus on the positive and keep your head held high.
This year, can toxic kpop fans finally learn the concept of "if you don't like it, then leave"? Because it really is that easy. Don't like Wonyoung's outfit? Leave. Think IVE is talentless? Leave.
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it's always the expectation for idols to be **perfect**, but then as soon as they seem perfect on the surface (ie: wonyoung - rich, pretty, skinny, ostensibly 'flawless') it's "who does she think she is". i do think a lot of it comes down to malignant envy; and i haaaate when people say "you just hate them because you're jealous of them" because a lot of the time that isn't actually true. what i mean by malignant envy is that people look at wonyoung and it isn't that they think "i want what she has", it's that people think "i don't want her to have what she has, i don't believe she deserves it"
also, if someone like her is praised endlessly for behaviour as a child, and existing in an environment of constant and never-ending scrutiny, she's obviously going to get arrested development and fall back on that behaviour because she just wants to be liked
Your comment explained everything I was thinking 👏
Exactly !!
we need more people defending Ive
Thank you for making this video. Here's a take:
People are using the other girls of Ive to put down Wonyoung... You know casual peer pressure, to create fanwars. No need to put down other girls to praise your faves. Groups like Fifth Harmony have had it enough.
Gaeul's 'stans' piss me off the most. Instead of calling out Starship, they are busy blaming Wonyoung for it. Line distribution, outfits, screen time and everything. She actually gets decent lines, not some random words for 3 secs or just a 'hey' like other groups (cough Kep1er cough).
Wonyoung is also the center of the group, she won Produce 48 and debuted as the center, it's obvious that she will receive most promotions and sponsors. "ItS aLwAyS ThE PrEtTy GiRlS", come on!!! Why don't you spend your money and time on hyping up your girl then, instead of paying for some hate comments?
If talent matters the most, go and support them then!!! Of course, this industry is toxic and pretty privilege exists(literally everywhere), but sending death threats, bodyshaming a 17 year old, and making money on "PiCk mE" TikToks and shorts to satisfy your insecurities, won't change this industry...
Just saying, correct me if I'm wrong
Right I hate when people put down Wonyoung to uplift Yujins stage presence. They both have really good face expressions and stage present, there is not need to drag Wonyoung to uplift Yujin
fr those "gaeul stans" are the new "jisoo stans" literally infetalizing their favs and acting like they're being victimized by the big bad mean girl wonyoung/jennie like bffr and stop projecting
@@kaelynsmith1242 Exactly, Wonyoung has great stage presence and so does Yujin, both of them have the best stage presence in IVE, IN MY OPINION
I know they say Wonyoung is hogging all the attention and that the other members deserve better, but then spend all their time focusing their hate on Wonyoung.
@@inseungwoonamewestan1196exactly. as a gaeul biased fan im so embarrassed of people like that.
Rei has proven multiple times that she can sing. She’s the third best vocalist in I’ve. The reason she didn’t sing the note in eleven was because the lyrics sound like “Dive” so she would replace the word to show appreciation to her fans.
I’m looking forward to this, just got into Ive recently and i find it sad just how hated on the group and especially wonyoung is. Girl can’t even eat a strawberry without being attacked on social media!
@🌙Loona🌙 Exactly!!!! I'm sick and tired of the psychotic hatred Wonyoung for LITERALLY EXISTING!!
@🌙Loona🌙
She was literally just enjoying her strawberry! How is that suppose to make her a bad person?
the hate wonyoung gets pretty much just boils down to one thing: she’s young & pretty. people get insecure and in return they turn that insecurity into hate and throw it towards her. it happened to jennie, & it’s pretty much been happening throughout the course of history of the entertainment industry
For me, K-pop is more of an experience than just music. There's the dance, fashion, group activities, and a community. I hate that the connection aspect of K-pop, the joy of being excited about something with other people who are excited about the same thing, has been ruined by toxic people who either don't know or don't care that hate is not constructive.
dude something else i've noticed is that you literally cannot compliment IVE ( especially Wonyoung) without people immediately comparing them to other groups to soften the compliment. literally last week i was trying to say that i think people forget that wonyoung can serve face well and that is a talent, and the immediate response is "well shes no Jihyo or Jimin". no one is saying she is??????? people just love to shit on these girls. who cares if they aren't as talented on paper as some other groups, they're still out there doing their thing and slaying and getting more wins than your favs!
Same exact thing happened to me
I said wonyoungs voice improved and I got bombarded with people telling me I was wrong cause she lip synced in another video
You literally cannot compliment Wonyoung without an anti fighting you. Trust me, I’ve tried. They come in swarms to try to discredit anything positive you have to say about Wonyoung. 😅 And worst of all, these antis will write an essay telling you why you should feel a certain way towards Wonyoung, which is so stupid…like they seriously need to get a life…
I remember i read someone complimented Wonyoung's voice and people were replying "haha😂 u can't be serious" and "ur deaf lol"
the funny thing is u could be complimenting her on literally her own fancam and u got somebody talking shit in the replies… like why are u even on a wonyoung vid if u hate her??? 😭
not a fully formed thought, but honestly, I think the reason Wonyong is so hated is because she is hard to project oneself onto. Female idols are most popular with a young female audience when these fans can become attached to them by self-projecting onto them. Yet, Wonyong has received a lot of jealousy from that same demo(having people's fave male idols fawning over her does not help her be liked by stans either). While Wonyong should be aspirational in the same way as the bp girls are, with her brand deals, etc, she is almost too perfect for young K-pop stans to pretend that they could be like her. She has always been pretty, rich, skinny and popular and seemingly nice. Not to mention, her more cutesy presentation lacks the bad girl cool factor of Jennie and Lisa that would make her less spotless and feel more powerful and in charge (though almost no female idols have much power in deciding their image). Out of jealousy, they bring her down to try to make her more accessible/relatable by making her flawed eg a mean girl with an ed. Oops I wrote a mini essay, hope it makes sense
I think you actually hit the nail in the head with this one. Kpop fans (mostly international) seem to be obsessed with the idea of an idol being relatable, funny and authentic. What they don't realize is that this "relatability" can also be a type of persona assigned by the company, just like being the badass one, the cute one or the pretty one (like in Wonyoung's case). Unfortunately, the way Wonyoung is branded is basically a magnet for weird jealous people
kpop stans cannot survive a day without their stupid self inserts and projecting their own insecurities onto kpop idols
what worries me is that people don't always drop one target when they find another. take jennie for an example. she's been a target of massive hatred since 2018 and it didn't get any easier on her. it's actually getting more harsh.
I do agree that all IVE members should get equal opportunities to show off their talent BUT when anyone besides Wonyoung gets an opportunity to show off their talent, antis and solo stans tend to ignore it just to paint Wonyoung as the villain yet again. I often see people complaining about Liz not getting enough opportunities but during the MMA(or MAMA awards I don’t quite remember) she got a solo opportunity to play ‘Eleven’ on a piano which she did flawlessly but again everyone just ignored it. She also collaborated with Yoon and Yuqi(who are both very successful 4th idols).Gaeul got a solo dance break I believe on one of the big awards shows.Rei became the 1st 4th gen idol to cover Vogue Japan. I remember seeing a tiktok a few weeks ago of someone complaining that they give all solo opportunities to a girl that can’t hold a note( it was after the leeseo and Wonyoung scandal).
Correction: Rei isn't just 1st Kpop idol to grace Vogue Japan cover but she's overall 2nd. No idol ever graces Vogue Japan cover other than Lisa and Rei. This is huge, especially since she's a rookie of 1 year, despite being a Japanese, but of course haters chose to ignore it.
@@yoon9521 I mean the first 4th gen idol😭I should have clarified it
Exactly this, especially with Liz. People are painting this narritive that Liz is being pushed aside since she gained weight because she didn't get enoough lines in after like which is ONE SONG. But since after like, Liz has had more solo gigs since she did at debut. Like the piano solo and collab, She didn't get any of that last year when she was popular. And I'm also pretty sure that she got her first solo magazine cover since after like. Why do they want her to be a victim so bad.
@@ccsbm208 "when there's a villain a group, there's a victim too", haters have that kind of mindset. Since they made Wonyoung a villain, then they have to find someone to be the victim, additionally a person will also be given the role of "someone who can replace the villain" hence Liz the victim and Yujin the "better center"
I wanna touch on the favoritism part as a DIVE who follows their content. It is bull, and the people spreading this are not even IVE fans cause the reality is, DIVES don’t complain of Wonyoung being favored because we know these allegations are exaggerated. The outfits situation is so ridiculous and cherry picked because if you watch all their stages you’d know how many times other members get the so called ‘stand out outfit’, not to mention that the ‘better outfit’ is a subjective opinion. Second of all, literally all the members have solo projects and activities, Rei recently had a SOLO VOGUE JAPAN COVER, do people realize how huge that is? Gaeul had her own solo cover recently and became brand ambassador for a clothing line, Yujin is the face of Clio makeup which is one of the biggest brands in Korea, this to name a few. The girls are not treated poorly and disregarded, that’s the opinion of someone who clearly doesn’t know anything about them. Not to mention that the reality is this is a business, Wonyoung is the most popular member so of course brands and publications will REQUEST for her to work with them. That’s how business works, Starship is an agency, they make the connection between artists and brands, but the brands are the ones that CHOOSE to work with those idols. Check every IVE social media page, Wonyoung always gets the most likes, this is not about mistreating the other members, everyone gets the opportunities that are presented to them. And who is in charge of that? YOU, you want Liz to be on Won’s level of business opportunities? MAKE HER JUST AS POPULAR. People act as if Starship is actively hating on these girls when in reality they are simply providing what the PUBLIC wants. And don’t get me started on the ‘they hate her’ claims, girl, you CLEARLY don’t watch IVE content, don’t make us laugh.
literally saw a video earlier where they were doing a group dance and wony was standing in the center, so all the comments were complaining about favouritism and how it looked like "wonyoung and her co-workers"
wonyoung,, is the center. most groups have one, but people don't give every other group shit for having a center for,, some reason
@@crptpyr LITERALLY THIS!
rei being a cover girl for vogue japan is such a huge achievement but kpop stans would rather talk abt the way wonyoung eats a strawberry 💀
•I am so happy for Rei for the vogue cover, that's a great achievement!
Also, I was so happy when Liz had a piano solo cover in the MMA Awards.
•Recently in award shows/end of the year festival performances, Gaeul and Yujin had dance breaks.
*Here are more SOLO project activities that happened to many of the IVE members, besides Wonyoung and Yujin*
•Gaeul in Dec 2022, was invited to a variety show with kids (I forgot the name)
* Liz and Rei went to Lee Mujin Service.
* Rei and Liz had a After LIKE | Kollabo Project with LANY
*Liz did a collab with YOON and Yuqi at the 2022 KBS Song Festival.
*Gaeul had a solo photoshoot with Elle
*Also, Gaeul had a solo photoshoot with New Balance.
*Liz is stated to have her first solo photoshoot with Singles Magazine.
*Feel free to include more solo activities, I might have missed more*
@@wonderlucky1912 Liz also had another solo variety appearance on a big channel last week. Liz and Rei also went to Lee Mujin Service - if the favoritism was as bad as some people claim Starship surely would have sent Yujin there first.
What worries me is that the hate might actually be getting to them; Wonyoung stepped down as the mc of music bank right after kbs started to fuel the fire about the whole lipsyncing thing even tho before she seemed to love that job, making me pretty sure that that was the reason she left, and that makes me worried since she might have came across some of the countless hate comments she was getting. I genuinely hope the members are doing fine and don't get actually affected by this whole hate wave: anytime something happens stans swear they have learned yet here they are again repeating the same old mistakes :/
nah she stepped down bc her schedules are insane, she literally had no free time with all her cfs and promotion. What makes it worse is that the company who owns music bank, KBS, posted a video bashing wonyoung which makes no sense.
@@evanwang1203 if that's the case then i'm glad she left, i don't want her to be overworked. Tho what kbs did is wrong regardless, she has been pretty loyal to them so bashing her like that is simply pointless
The hate is unreal at this point. There was recently once again a post by another CZcamsr about Wonyoung's body and how 'concerned they are' and of course the comments were vile. One person went as far as putting blame on Yujin, as the leader, for Wonyoung's perceived ED and it made me sick. People truly want IVE to be the villains and for no apparent reason whatsoever...
The same people concerning about wonyoung’s weight are the ones bashing her online smh
I've seen someone say that because she's 18 that she's old enough to "snap out of it" and essentially blaming her for possibly having an ED and they got hundreds of likes and don't even get me started on the people who regularly call her a skeleton. They claim to be concerned but they're really not.
im more worried about Leeseo than i am about wonyoung at this point. cuz leeseo is younger, and she's getting made fun of to the point where she's become a meme. plus, her individual fanbase isn't nearly as massive as wonyoung's is. i think people need to watch out for her, seriously.
I think the hate is slowly shifting to Leeseo too. Imo, both Leeseo and Wonyoung are the most hyper feminine members in the group... Notice how in kpop, female kpop idols that are hyper feminine and elegant tend to be picked apart.
I am worried too. When they first introduced her, I saw the similarities between her and WY (cute, feminine, debuted extremely young). One day, when she becomes more popular, the hate train will hit all at once. WY will no longer be a punching bag, because the haters realize they cannot break her. So, ofc it will be Leeseo next since unlike WY, Leeseo still hasn’t learned the ways of the industry yet. She doesn’t know how to mask her true feelings and naïveté 😅
at this point strawberries are a curse to wonyoung.. eating them, singing about them.. wherever that fruit is controversy will follow lmaoo
"Kpop is getting worse and meaner" This is sooo true like, 2022 Kpop stans are very different from 2018-2019 stans. I see it especially on Tiktok like....
Recently, I've seen people on Tiktok seem to HATE NCT Lucas to the point, where they are bringing out previous clips of him making mistakes on stage & saying that's the reason why they won't let him back. Or they'll take clips of him not interacting with his members & say things like "I'm sure Taemin hates him" And I'm like, how do y'all know all of this?
Yes, those rumours about him are quite damaging & SM refusing to let him back makes it look suspicious but some of ya'll act like if you could, you'd actually kill these idols and it's honestly so scary. I'll never understand how Wonyoung is coping, like people start things with her every Single WEEK😭
and those bitches believe that he got accused of sa when he did not
@@ikramosman7221 And the funny thing is, SA wasn't even apart of his original false allegations, people just added it out of nowhere & now so many people seem to believe it to be true😭
@@lifeissobeautiful6404 !!!! I can't with kpop fans
I just hope that wonyoung is doing fine and that she makes it through all this safely 💞 Let's just all be there for the girls guys ^_^
a lot of the same people worried for leesos young debut did not waste the first opportunity to trash her now that her group is doing so well…
I respect IVE because even though the girls may be young , they work their asses of to become a success , to achieve popularity and to perform for their fans .
It's sad that the people who hate on IVE and Wonyoung don't have much going on in their lives so they find the smallest issue to target IVE on .
Wonyoung is beautiful,talented ,and hardworking at such a young age . All members of IVE deserve to be in their group . They still have a long way to go in their careers , and tbh IVE needs to stay strong together !!
Most of the time, the villains in kpop are the fans and idols the victims.
I still remember when IVE and LE sserafim lip synced last week and people shamed wonyoung (mostly) and Leeseo but excused le sserafim with bs excuses like they’re better singers (both groups only have 1 GOOD vocalist so i don’t wanna hear that) and they always sing live like they didn’t lip sync most of antifragile era. Also IVE has sung live multiple times especially during festivals and i even saw a live performance about a week ago during awards season but i guess that’s not related to the narrative. Note idc if LE sserafim or IVE or any group lip syncs but keep the same energy.
That’s what I am saying it’s so annoying that fearnots/fimmies (or whatever their ugly ass fandom name is) always comes to le sserafims defence but never keep the same energy for ive. And same for the maknaes for both groups. Like they baby eunchae ( mind you I love eunchae) and say they love her just being herself or being the biggest maknae they have ever seen yet they turn around and hate on leeso for “crying” at the award show like ya it was a bit cringy but that does not mean a mass bully squad happening. Like the jokes grown people are making on her like bffr
first of all no fearnot accused ive for lipsync its knet who accused them. lsf lip sync their song but ive lypsync iu song one of the most famous artist in korea offcurse they goona get dragged. Simply put, if you're going to perform a vocal cover of any artist's song, don't lipsync. and that why ive get hate bc their always drag lsf in their fav problem.
naw but it's sad seeing wiz*one who's more a fearnot hating on wonyoung
@@mindfulhustle knetz doesn't accused them, but the one who first accused them is international fans
@@slaypa whoever accused doesn't matter bc it's became big deal bc they lipsync iu song and it's vocal cover offcourse they gonna get dragged like she's biggest and most loved artist in South Korea.
Ive has any problems other kpop group have nowadays, weak vocalist, lip sync, etc etc…literally name one 4th gen group that doesnt have that problem. But i genuinely think people pick on ANYTHING they do so they can hate on wonyoung. Wonyoung is legit one of the most beautiful people ive ever seen and people are genuinely ENRAGED that she gets the spotlight she does so they try to take her down by anything.
True, even in the lip sync issue she was the main focus of attacks. Lip sync is common in kpop, kpop groups even lip sync on radio shows and those so called "live" CZcams channels. Till now I see TikTok videos mocking her, any video that praises her has a mass influx of hate comments masked as personal opinions. This same kpop fans claim to be against bullying but it's truly disturbing seeing how most kpop fans are soooo comfortable mocking her. It's at a level that it's as if there's a deep hatred against her.
They have the same problems that blackpink does. Only difference for me is that I actually like IVE better cuz I prefer their concept
Now that u say this there would def be a person saying "um nmixx🤓" I saw it on comments under a post praising ives live vocals too that nmixx does it better but how r u comparing nmixx which is a vocal led group to ive that has 2 yet improved so much and nmixx is literally the standard it's like an average student getting 90% but sumone saying a consistent talented student brought 99 like ofcourse....why can't u just praise or just scroll and leave....
i’m so tired from just witnessing it, i can only imagine how tired these idols are
If Starship started sueing Wonyoung haters the narrative would be "Look at how the company only cares for Wonyoung! Favoritism" "Look at how she can't take 'criticism'! So arrogant"
The second statement is so true. Haters won’t forgive anyone for protecting WY.
I honestly don't know how people don't realize they are acting like bullies. If you don't like an idol or a group, why give them attention? And I can't say it's bc their young, because I've seen adults acting like this
*they're
The amount of hate they are getting, this is an important topic, & especially when the centre of their group is hated a lot they get a lot of attention and hate for that.
True. All groups have centres and they are not always the most talented but they still receive the most attention. Why is that only a problem with Wonyoung? And why is that NEVER a problem with boy groups?
@@2FullMoonsnever a problem? Boy groups get massive hate
The part where you said ppl are getting paid for hating IVE. I think it's true cause if you notice the tiktok's reels shorts which hate on IVE have so many fcking views and Dives even saw one hate tik tok under which it was tagged paid partnership.....
I think before covid, everyone was out enjoying life, but then now people are staying at home more and have somehow decided to direct their anger at the world to the idols
it’s so funny how these people were the ones comparing young rich successful wonyoung to “miserable” and “untalented” garam just a few months ago. im tired of them acting like it’s impossible to live a single day without tearing young women down
Damn, this video needs to be seen by way more people. I have so many thoughts, i'm not a stan of much new ggs except for le sserafim, who im slowly becoming a fan of. however, i do see a lot of content related to 4th gen ggs on social media- mainly instagram, which is what I use.
and the hate comments for ive, holy shit. especially wonyoung, no other hate comments match the insanity of that.
its only reminiscent of the comments i've seen about like, soyeon or blackpink members sometimes. soyeon's hate is dying off; blackpink will always have many fans who have different wacky opinions. but this? something else, honestly. even with aespa, the hate was.. evenly distributed, i feel. (that sounds awful, i know.) but wow, kpoppies love finding a new girl group to hate. im saying this as a boy group stan. and they love hating female idols.
and other comments have brought up cases such as jennie and even sulli and that's exactly what i think of too. this is disturbing behavior on the fans part. i dont care if wonyoung lipsyncs while doing a fucking solo, at this point- bro, what excuses this hate on someone who entered the industry as a minor??? someone who's still so young?? who gives a shit about the lipsyncing at the end of the day, is the world ending?? shes not a doctor who's career involves life saving, its not that serious, be fucking for real
i also think theres an interesting problem thats almost a dilemma or paradox in the kpop world.
idols are being exploited. fact. some idols can improve skills and sing live more. also a fact. we dont know idol's health situations or other factors making their lives hard. another fact.
so basically, fans are so fed up over nothing, that things get ridiculous at a point on both sides. yes, kpop idols visuals shouldnt matter more than singing, so the companies need to do better. however, the companies...dont really care. however, fans care way too much and repeat the same criticisms even in lighthearted contexts. if i said 'i like wonyoungs voice', what do you think the replies would be? you guessed it, malicious as fuck. even if i wasn't saying anything untrue, even if i was paying a compliment, my own opinion.
i do think ive can improve, though people criticizing group dynamics are kind of goofy. i like group dynamics please dont get me wrong but why should that be more important than the music???
i do think idols in general shouldnt be lipsyncing while sitting down. (i dont care about them doing so when dancing, but thats my own controversial opinion). however, nothing warrants this much hate on a group, let alone one person.
these are the same hypocrites who cry about idols' mental health when things are revealed later. do not be hypocrites. for the love of fuck
They're gonna end up pushing wonyoung to her edge. Suicide is already common in kpop and Korea so the fact that her and leesso alone are taking the brunt of all the hate comments is crazy. If you don't wanna lose another bright star, stop the unnecessary hate on wonyoung. Please.
Everyone has amnesia about sulli
And those same people who push idols to do the unthinkable will be the first to post on twitter and IG about how we lost such beautiful souls to hatred… 🤦🏻♀️
#Protect IVE
#Protect WONYOUNG
if Wonyoung wasn't in IVE, they wouldn't get as much hate as they have now and that's really sad because you can see how insecure and jealous people are of her to the point that they hate her and her group for every little thing they do..
The things IVE has done so far would never get hate if it was another group doing the EXACT same thing they did. if the strawberry thing was done by, for example Winter, it would've been simply seen as cute and adorable. when the lipsyncing while seating (which has been done by thousands of idols throughout the years) were done by Lesserafim as well, they never got called untalented, useless, pretty faces, got death threats, laughed at etc. but IVE did. IVE constantly gets called coworkers because they're all quiet and don't do activities together everyday but Nmixx who are all loud and enjoy games but clearly are not close with each other get called best friends. if anything, Nmixx are what I'd call co-workers and IVE friends. And it pains me to say that all this hate they're receiving is 90% because of the fact that Wonyoung is in the group. I just really hope that they continue on thriving as a group and as individuals.
Ive reminds me a LOT of Twice early in their career. Twice were ripped apart for their talent and Nayeon was constantly attacked for favouritism.
The fact that Starship doesn’t do anything to stop this hate bothers me most.
I don’t even know what can they really do. How do you go around at stop thousands of people
What can they really do, suggestion ?
As much as we wish the hate would end, it probably won’t. I’m hoping the girls won’t see the rude comments they get too.
@@Everythingz127taking legal actions
@@Yukihanadul they can't sue the thousands of people who are constantly at the members necks every day
It's sad that for some reason the only way the IVE hate will stop is if the toxic kpop stans have a new target 😭
I think Fifty Fifty is kinda becoming that target
@@akamesb4540 there are many people from other fandoms who still like to talk shit about ive to this day, i don't hear much about fifty fifty sadly
@@kumimochi I'm not saying the hate to IVE stoped, but with the scandal and success of cupid a lot of people started hating Fifty Fifty
i think it's gone too far to be stopped honestly :(
@@wonyoricky probably -.- i mean you don't have to like them or be a fan but like be a decent person and be factual. how can anyone hate someone they've never met
I have a theory that a lot of Kpop stans superimpose themselves with their biases and ults. So if their bias is the best vocal/dancer/prettiest visual, or if their ults are the biggest groups of all-time/have the most daesangs or awards, then _they_ are the best. The "this group isn't like the xxxxxx they're so refreshing" and "this 2nd/3rd/4th gen group is the best group to exist and *I'm* their stan".
The pyramid 😭😭
just started watching... but one quick thought... why do we still call these toxic people "K-Pop stans" or "Netizens" and not what they are... "bullies" (or "trolls" or "toxic idiots")? Same goes for all self-proclaimed fans of individual artists that throw hate around or behave toxic against other artists or fandoms. Those are not "real" fans. They're just bullies that happen to choose these specific social groups as an excuse to bully others. If there was no K-Pop (or K-Pop wouldn't be so popular, therefore guarantee attention) than it would be something else... like soccer or anything really.
Specially in TikTok, I was very surprised looking at all the comments criticizing Wonyoung. It ranges from A very well though out critique that ultimately blames the management behind her than her herself to a critique that screams insecurities.
Ikr..and tiktok are becoming twitter 2.0 now
bro i died and came back to life to comment . laughing at the ive member pyramid.
🤣🤣
When I watched the clip of Wonyoung and Leeseo lipsynching I didn't even care cos half the industry is busy doing it even if it's once in a while .
The girls can clearly sing as I've watched clips of them singing in their mv behind. I even saw clips of people saying IVE is disrespectful cos they didn't bow? Even people making fun of one of the members crying ?
Why so much hate !? Let this girls live and enjoy their careers .
IVE deserve better , they don't deserve this trash kpop community bashing them .
Exactly!! And not to mention, every single special stage for award shows in kpop is lip synced.
what's even worse about this is when people provide valid criticism about ive, it gets overshadowed because of the unnecessary amount of hate they already get.
TW: Potential Disordered Eating
Going back to the strawberry thing... It really bugs me that she gets hate for just actually eating (in a manner that would typically be considered good manners for a camera, like us not seeing into her mouth when chewing), and then in the same breath they concern troll that she's "too thin". I would hope that if that were a problem that Starship would address it, but why do the haters gotta tell her to eat but "omg that way is so cringe!" If I were in her position, that would actually be a recipe for disordered eating for me since I'd be in the public eye and my god I get hate for how I eat on camera but also my god I get hate if I don't eat either. She literally can't win.
I literally love these videos. They're so well put together and it feels like a breath of fresh air when you speak about these things.
Girl I feel like it could be a huge company that tried to snatch wonyoung after iz*one but she rejected and they’ve been trying to sabotage her ever since then, because there was NO hate for wonyoung when you was in izone
In my 15 years as kpop fans...
Nothing change much, it just since kpop massive popularity worldwide... We got more of those "bully" and the internet work so fast, as fast as the hate train....
I remember when SNSD debuted, they're so popular that others big fandom can't take it and decide they want to give them the "Black Ocean".
Haters, all the same. I just hope the IVE members are strong enough to overcome all these hates train.
Now we have tiktok and twitter where people gather to bully and shit on idols they pick everyday 😭 its really worse now
One year it was blackpink, the next it was aespa, now it's ive. 4th gen gg stans (especially ones that were successful this year) i hate to say this but be ready for anything and i mean anything. I say this as someone who was a blink, my, and currently a dive (ik just my luck). Though it will get better eventually (never completely) prepare urself for war.
dives actually found a few hate vids on tiktok that are sponsored. we're already suspicious of the algorithm because every ive hate vid can easily reach 1m views, but seeing vids that have the "paid partnership" tag below was even more weird. we've been sending proofs to sse but we haven't seen any action from them.
The hate about the pizza ad is ridonkulous! ITS A FCKING AD OFC SHE'S SUPPOSED TO EXAGGERATE! THERE ARE ADS OF PEOPLE DANCING IN A DISH SOAP AD, WHY ARE PEOPLE SO MAD ABOUT THE PIZZA ONE?!
These antis are so hypocritical too; they will turn Ive into their personal punching bag and hate on them for every single thing they do and then preach about idol's mental health. They want to protect minors in the industry but still find the time to make fun of Leeseo acceptance speech.
So many languages around the world and you decided to speak nothing but FACTS
some of these people could get a job at mnet with their evil editing of wonyoung
Thank you so much for making this video, as a dive I thought I was doing something wrong by being they’re fan 😭🗿
The fact that starship doesn't give a f about this and keeps getting away with these controversies is really annoying me.
obviously the girls are getting hurt and it effects their mental health.
Yes I remember when one of the IVE members Liz gained a little bit of weight, the amount of hate comments and hate videos I seen about it.
•There a video of IVE at a football game, where all of the IVE members were eating and you could see Liz was uncomfortable, scared to eat.
•This makes me so sad. I think Liz now looks slightly more confident so I hope she is okay.
@@wonderlucky1912 yeah true, I feel really bad for her since she's a minor and she has to go through this just because of people hating her for gaining a little weight and looking healthy.
i remember when aespa got so much hate and now it's ive, it won't be long till kpop stans find another group to hate 🥱
I personally think IVE has better stage presence than NMIXX. NMIXX stares directly into the camera and aren't as good as their dance practice videos. I think IVE shows more consistency and have different facial expressions. I liked this video!
6:28 In my country, 5H was known as the five Camilas 👀
And of course Pussycat Dolls, Nicole was like a soloist with background dancers lol
Recently during the strawberry moon controversy KBS released a video with a title slamming Wonyoung and Leeseo about lip syncing.
As in KBS the company that Wonyoung is an MC for on their music show. Asking if she really deserves to be a singer because she lip synced. Are they pandering to the masses to get views and support? Or something like that?
The IVE girls just get unnessecary hate fr
ive and blackpink are so similiar. loved by everyone till it comes to them being more successful. the way everyone turned their backs on bp after d4, the same way everyone did w ive during the award show season. you hype the group up sm, give them sm love, then when they get the success (bcs of you!) , you hate on them?? make it make sense.
bp starts getting hate unprovoked, blinks defend, blinks are toxic !
ive starts getting hate unprovoked, dives defend, dives are toxic!
and obviously both fandoms get terrible reputations, OTHER fandoms start ganging up on them.
armyonces for blinks, and fearnots x neverlands for ive.
its so annoying, i wish blinks and dives would understand each other's situation.
haven't started the video but i was waiting for something like this cause even as someone who doesn't really keep up with ive i can tell the hate they have been getting is ridiculous! it's honestly just sad
and they call dives sensitive for defending ive like ??? 😭 yall are bullying young women
I was literally thinking about this as you posted it.
People should complain about starship making wonyoung starve ...the day is not far wonyoung will faint eventually on stage she is literally not ok
Her health is degrading day by day...
People talk about wonyoung getting good outfits , more schedules and lots of stuff but does anyone care about how hard it is for her to do all those things and keeping on a personality that starship forces her to and after doing all these things her company says , what did she get ? A bunch of hate and nothing else . Starship is making wonyoung a way to get ive popular , maybe all that you see what wonyoung is doing is not something she wants but she is forced to do . So ultimately wonyoung is sandwiched between netizens hate and starships Purposes , she is the victim not the princess
I really hope there's somebody in the company checking on Wonyoung's mental health, I really don't want another tragedy and lose another idol to hate and mental health, especially one that's so young
This is another great video about IVE's "controversies" and why they're hated so much, they did a great job and debunking the bullshit: czcams.com/video/YlYR3PLTB2g/video.html
I've been fan of kpop since 2011 and the last time I saw this big hate towards one spesific individual, it didn't end well. Also, these hates towards I've is worse than the hate I've seen over some idol that more problematic (using illegal drug, sex offender, etc)
People could simply leave I've alone but they don't. They want their fav raise by bring other idol down. Insane.
I am a Desi and I watched that clip and didn't find it offensive in the slightest these people who aren't even Desi are pretending to be woke just to bully these poor girls same with itzy I didn't find that clip offensive at all people should actually listen to the community that it's supposedly "offending" these people don't even care about Desis they just wanna find an excuse to bully these teenagers
the amount of hate ive gets is actually ridiculous, even i get sick and tired of seeing it all. I just hope the girls are okay