You should be a salesman. I've seen several videos on the crowns. this is the first that actually makes me seriously consider them... Some day, down the road after a 2nd big subwoofer, some valencia seats and probably some new front stage speakers
Appreciate the recommendations in the video, Barrett. My set just arrived and you were bang on about how precise, intense, and well made these things are.
With the amount of bass already in your room from your massive subs, did you find these still added more? I would imagine you already had a good amount of tactile response.
Thanks for watching, and most definitely these added to the bass in my system. Both of my 24" subs are in the front of the room now, I do get some TR from them, but not enough for my appetite lol. The Crowsons definitely add that vibration I like.
You can have all the Bass and subs in your room you want but there is just no replacement for Tactile Response based seating. I have not experienced Nearfield subs right behind the seats in home applications so that might be pretty effective.
I have one ButtKicker LFE with a 1000 watt RMS amp pushing it on a three seat couch. I love it for movies would never not use them again. For music I turn them off.
Thank so much for your review these are excellent.. Not cheap..... I was crossing between the VT200 immersion and these..... Still undecided 🤔💭 Cheers Ned 🍺🍻👍
I have both, crowson for my home theater, and buttkicker for my family room. Tactically they are both the same. Just different ergonomics and shape. Now when it comes to Auro and Dayton both have different feel compared to the crownson and buttkicker, as they are attached directly to your couch. But between the butts and the crows both are identical IMHO
What's the difference with between all three in terms of feel? Are some just less tactile or more sloppy relatively speaking? Edit: for what it's worth I was planning on getting the Dayton ones since they seem to have good specs for what they cost.
Interesting observation- this difference in experience between the devices (expensive vs inexpensive) is what i was trying to suss out with my earlier comment. It’s the glaring omission in this video.
How low do the Butt Kickers go though? They advertise down to 10hz vs 5hz on Crawson, but I don't know if anyone has measured what they each actually reach.
If I understand that view of the underside of your Valencia Tuscany seat, it has 8 feet. Two under each armrest and four under the seat. Why did you choose the two rear armrest feet for the Crowsons instead of the two rear seat feet? Seems like the seat feat would transmit the energy to your body better than through the armrests.
I chose the 2 armrests because this way some of the sensation is transferred to the seats on either side of the MLP. There is still PLENTY of TR for the MLP, as a matter of fact, I don't have them turned up anywhere near max. If you turn it up too much, the synergy just isn't there between the Crowsons and the subs.
@@SpecOfTech Thanks for the reply. Like many decisions it comes down to personal preference and other things like what works best with existing equipment. This video was the first time I saw the underside of a Tuscany. My guess is that the feet under the seat will bear more weight (when the chair is occupied) than the armrest feet. And I assume that putting the Crowsons under the seat would better connect with the person. If only using one Crowson per chair I'd guess it would be even more advantageous to put it under the seat.
@@noneofyourbusiness4433 Absolutely, I agree with you there. If you have 1 Crowson per seat, you would most likely be better off placing it under the load baring metal frame of the seat.
These look really good. Maybe a perfect companion for sealed subs, so you get the benefits of sealed and the actuators take care of tactile response. Only downside, I sit in the middle of a 3 seater sofa and the feet are on either end. So not sure how I could get them to work for me.
As long as you can get a couple Crowsons under your sofa, you will benefit from them. Remove the 2 back feet, and put 2 Crowsons under the sofa. Just make sure your front feet are also 1".
@@13Jeepjumper sounds like a great setup . May I ask how did you get 3 of these crowsons? Don’t they come in pairs ? I’m thinking of getting them . Thanks
My sealed subs shake the hell out of my sofa but I get great response from 8hz-160hz in my room. Running 3 SB-4000's and used REW + MSO to EQ the subs.
Great vid Barrett. Bass shakers have always been part of the plan but they keep getting pushed to the back of the list. My room has 3 rows with the back to rows on dual risers. I know some transducers mounted on the risers can be felt across all seats on the risers, I am curious if 4 of these would accomplish the same across the 7 seats (3 theater seats and 4 authentic cinema seats). I like how these are hidden while riser bass shakers would have to be mounted directly to the risers and not the frame of the seating
LOVE it! Nice review as always. I have always been skeptical of "bass shakers". I've experienced them and they can but fun, but nothing great but was more "gimmicky" if you will. Nothing against them, just not my cup of tea....THEN I was talked into getting 3 Crowsons after I got 3 sealed PSA subs and WOW! COMPLETELY different experience than a "shaker". I am amazed how much they add....everything from gun shots (think John Wick)...it makes you feel like you're getting hit...to just bass heavy music...well worth the investment if you are able to swing it!!!
Great video! A couple years ago I almost bought Bass Shakers for my system. I wasn't sure if they would be worth it, so I didn't. I have to reconsider now! If you say they work that good I am a believer!!! Jeez, another thing to add to my list lol. You know I will just have to come over and check 'em out!! Question, what did you think of the new Paradigm Founders series speakers having listened to them? I just had a chance to only look at them. I was impressed, way nicer than my (sold) Paradigm Prestige that the Founders series is replacing. As always, well done Barrett! Cheers
Hey John, I hope all is well brother, and thanks for watching. Well I didn't get to listen to the Founders alone, we only listened to them in a surround sound set up. That being said, they were very clear and dynamic, seemed to work great for HT use anyway.
I considered the Clarks before getting the Crowsons as well. I have no doubt they are fantastic, my theory is that the Crowsons would be more authentic feeling though. I have had a 24" 4400 watt subwoofer right behind my chair before, and the Crowsons feel almost identical to that, minus the audible bass of course.
Really enjoyed the video. I'm on the waiting list for them right now. Just curious, why couldn't you have used the original threaded bolt in the metal frame to mount the new rubber isolators?
Sorry for the late reply. I couldn’t use the original bolt because it was too short to use with the new feet. You will enjoy the Crowsons, they are such a great addition.
Barrett, thanks for the review... If I had not built a HoverBOSS platform, I would definitely be considering these. Quick question, did you run them through the MiniDSP and if so, are you using BEQ?
I have not run them through mini dsp just yet, but I do have one that is specifically for these Crowsons. I am not using BEQ, but it is something that is on my radar and I will look at more seriously once my setup is more established. I just have too much going on with the system right now...cheers.
These work hand in hand with subwoofers. They only provide TR, so it makes it feel like you have more subwoofers than you do. It also helps if you need to keep your bass turned down, to give the sensation you have more bass. They aren't for everyone I guess, but they do add to the immersion.
@@SpecOfTech my subwoofers are M&ks I have 6 subs in my home theater plus I don’t need turn them down because I have a separate room for my house theater.
@@victorpulos823 Nice, 6 subwoofers must be amazing. Having a dedicated room is ideal for HT, you are one of the lucky few my friend. Thanks for watching.
Really helpful video! I've just ordered a set of 4 Tuscany's (2 rows of 2) with crowsons also on order. do the full chairs have 8 feet and the chairs with just 1 armrest 6 feet? looking to order isolators but unsure how many I'll need, and if they are required on every single foot/armrest etc? thanks! are you also likely to do any follow up videos after having them settle in? would love to see if you've tried any different positioning arrangements for the crowsons etc
Glad it was helpful for you! Yes the Tuscany's with 2 armrests will have 8 feet and the chair with 1 armrest will have 6. You will require a 1" foot replacement for every foot on the chair. If you are looking to save a little money on feet, what you could do is just replace all the front feet if your Crowsons are to be placed in front, or all the back feet if your Crowsons will be placed in the back. This way you don't have to replace all the back feet or all the front feet depending where you place the Crowsons. I did have the Crowsons under the armrests with my previous chairs. With the new Ultimate Luxury chairs I placed the Crowsons under the front metal frame, and I prefer them under the frame. I find it gives a better response to be under the frame since all the weight of the chair is supported there. The armrests don't support much of the chair weight so it wasn't quite as effective.
@@SpecOfTech that's awesome thanks. I managed to order a set of 24 Hudson isolators at half price so that should give me chance to try out a few different set ups. I went for the luxury's too. Couldn't resist the extra colour options!
The Valencia chairs have an option to select bass shakers. Can you tell me why you did not get the chairs with the shakers as they should be covered by the warranted instead of going through a third party for them?
Because the Crowson actuators are the best on the market and provide a very premium authentic experience. It feels like you have an uber powerful subwoofer behind your chair, versus some other cheaper shakers just feel like your chair is being shook.
Thank you for the response. Really appreciate your honest reviews. Can you tell me what size is the inside of the cup holders? Really want to ensure it will work me before I commit.
@@allibag I no longer have the Tuscany Premiere, I now have the Tuscany Ultimate Luxury. I imagine the cupholders will be the same size, I measured mine and they are 3 3/8". I hope that helps. Please consider using my links if you do decide to purchase, the price is the same for you, but it really helps out the channel. Thanks for watching...cheers.
Hi! I’m considering these. Where did you order your own “DYI” isolator feet from? I’ve narrowed down my search to either crowsons or direct mounting buckkicker LFE to the wood frame directly attached to the seat cushion. My chairs are similar (palliser pacifo).
Hey Saskwatch, I am sure you will love either of those choices. I ordered those 1" rubber feet from Parts Express, here is the link: www.parts-express.com/4-Pack-Rubber-Cabinet-Feet-2.5-Dia.-x-1-H-260-7502?quantity=1
@@SpecOfTech thank you sir! There’s parts of either kit I like over the other and I don’t think a bad choice can be made. I am leaning a bit more towards the BK-LFE with a custom rack mount built underneath the chair to tie the frame together right under the seating position, plus I do like the features of the BK-1000 amp a bit more over the crowson one.
You could use a Y splitter, but then keep in mind an EQ or room cal on that output will apply to the Crowsons as well. It would be best on their own, so you can time align them better.
Seaton makes great subwoofers no doubt. I have some pretty impressive low frequency subs as well, I'm running 3 JTR RS2's. I have flat output down to 7hz, but my room is challenging when it comes to TR so the Crowsons are a welcome addition. Once you try them there is no turning back lol...cheers!
Cool nich product but that price is just sooo hard to justify they are nice well built and all but thats over $2200 Canadian for a single user out of the Box. I really hope you enjoy them my friend but after you get your new Legacy Towers installed which look completely Insane i might add lol I dont think U will need these chair shakers much anymore Lmao 🔊🔊🔊 keep the Videos coming Bud was cool to get your opinion on them 👍👍 Hey would U mind doing a small test next time U run a test sweep with your Mic I was wonders if playing Movies and such on Your new Xbox X and has similar or less sound quality characteristics then your Panasonic 4k Player especially for how loud and crazy we like push it for 😅😅🤔🤔 Cheers Bro 🥂🥂
Oh yea Bud it was pretty insane ear hurt session lol the Best Top craziest sounding scenes had to be for me are Edge of Tomorrow Opening Scene John Wick Chapter 1 Bar Scene shoot out Ready Player One Race Scene The Dark Knight Bat Tank Bat Bike Scene Matrix Reloaded Smith Swarm Brawl Fight Alita Battle Angel Roller Derby Scene The Incredible Hulk Bottle Factory Destruction Just loving the LFE Ultra man 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻🔊🔊🔊 Cant wait till Godzilla VS Kong comes out on the 15th on 4K Atmos 🔊🔊🔊🔊 Neighborhood wont like me that day lol
Great video, you cost me more money! My wife is starting to really not like you! lol Can you post the link for the 1" furniture feet please. All the one's I find are way more expensive.
Lol that's okay, I am happy to take the dislike from your wife on your behalf. It's the price I am willing to pay so you can live your audio dreams haha. Here is the link to the feet I used. www.parts-express.com/4-Pack-Rubber-Cabinet-Feet-2.5-Dia.-x-1-H-260-7502
I plan on using a mini DSP with the crows is (when I receive them). What would be a good range to set the low frequency cutoffs? (I don’t need guns shots, just the more common frequencies in the lower range). Thanks
If you are just looking for the low end you could use a 30hz or 25hz cutt off. The best bet is to play around with your cut off and see what feels best to you. I believe a common cut off for the Crowsons is 40hz, you may want to try that too.
I've seen another video where the guy installed 2 actuators directly in the front/center of the valencia seats and then one in the center of each. In the video, he chose not to install them directly under the armrests because they actually detach from the valencia seats.
After I installed them under the armrest, I ended up coming to the same conclusion, that it probably wasn't the best either. I now have them under the frame itself.
When your concidering subs for 9k each I believe you said and your concidering 2 of them but you decided to go with a product that cost a 10th of the price, it seems like a strange place to save $60 by not getting the best feet you could. It sounded like their was a benifit to using the $30 feet opposed to cheaper ones. Why did you chose to save $60 on the feet. Did I misunderstand you? Is their a benefit to the way you feel the bass or is it just to prevent vibration from going into the floor and you don’t care about? It just seems like a funny place to save such a small amount of money when your building a system as expensive as the one you have
Haha, I was probably talking to fast as usual. I didn't save $60 on the feet, I spent about $60 total on all 22 feet that were needed. If I were to buy the Sorbathane feet from Crowson, it would have been $660 USD total. So I saved $600 on the feet. I just didn't see the benefit of spending another $600, especially when I already get more than enough TR with the cheaper feet. The Sorbathane feet probably would give you more TR, but I honestly didn't need more TR, I don't even have them turned all the way as is. For $600 you could buy another actuator which would be a better option than the feet, in my opinion.
@@SpecOfTech ok gotcha. I thought that was a weird place to pinch a penny. With such an alaborate system. So the sorbathane feet don’t really add to the authenticity of the response just gives you a little extra tr. thanks
You should try q10b earthquakes much more accurate than buttkicker and others. Buttkickers more of a shaker felt like fairground ride gimmicky whereas q10b is more like a subwoofer extension you cant tell something under you unless your told you think its the sub but i know dual sb16s cant do that. Ive heard great about the crowsons. Ive never tried as it wouldnt work on my large ushaped sofa but someone who had both said they were as accurate as crowsons. You should try them for a review they really need the xj700 dsp earthquake class j amp with its own curve as it really makes them work with the sub onky playing 30hz and lower get more powerful as they go below 20hz it all works great with xj700 dsp as it has dsp internally to setup the q10bs to what they need. Fyi like you said about lab testing thats what the q10bs are for as well maybe why they both out do buttkicker which more of a shaker a good shaker but still gimmicky in my experience. I ended up with 4 q10bs qfter trialing the buttkicker vs them.
Thanks for the suggestion and for watching. I would be curious to try the Q10B one day, just to see if there is a difference between them and the Crowsons. I am still extremely happy with my Crowsons, they are incredibly authentic feeling.
Barrett you are looking great my man!!! Looks like you have dropped some pounds and gotten swole at the same time. Must be all the exercise from moving the seats and subwoofers 😊 Thanks for the content. ❤🔥
lol thanks for noticing man, I have dropped about 15 lbs. I don't know about getting swole, but I do even lift bro lol. Thanks for always supporting the channel brother.
@@RJ-xj3ct I haven't been benching for a while now, can't have a spotter because of Covid lol. I do dumbbell presses, for my reg workout I use 90lb dumbbells, not sure what the heaviest ones I could press would be. I imagine I could do 100-120 lbs dumbbells without hurting something. My goal is to be using 120lb dumbbells by the end of the year for my reg routine. Are you a lifter too? What do you bench?
@@SpecOfTech Ah I gotcha. Well I run track for the school so I lift regularly and usually I try to bulk during the summer and use the track season to get lean. My bench PR is 225 which I'm pretty proud of because just a year ago I was hitting like 115.
I have a Buttkicker and two Auras. I think they’re a fantastic addition to my system- in fact, in some ways I prefer the more inexpensive Auras to the BKs. Regardless, I’m a fan of bass transducers. I thought they’d be a silly gimmick, but your descriptions are spot-on (“natural’? I don’t remember your exact terms). However, I have felt this way about the $40/each Auras, paired with an inexpensive Dayton plate amp… not this $2000 system you’re gushing about. You make no effort to explain what these premium, expensive devices offer over traditional bass shakers, let alone any facts or knowledge describing how they are functionally superior to basic bass shakers. Especially given the massive price differential. I hope your chat with the CEO didn’t submit you to a reality distortion field. You spend a lot of time proclaiming your editorial independence and subjective experience, and zero on objective/functional advantages. I don;t doubt these are better than my Auras…. But WHY? And is the price premium worth it?
thanks for watching, but this wasn't a comparison video between Aura sound and Crowson Tech. Compare the specs to your Aura's, and you may find your answers.
@@BeefyMon Well unfortunately, it isn't always possible to answer all questions in a YT video. I do suggest you speak with Randolph at Crowson, if you would like to know how his actuators differ from other similar products...cheers.
It's hard to visually illustrate vibration, what the glass full of liquid shows versus what you feel sitting in the chair, are two totally different things. Damn that must be some cellphone if it can physically vibrate a chair more than that 😉. Keep in mind that these were not turned all the way up, and the goal is the tactile response to be realistic, not to just shake the ever living piss out of your chair lmao.
These are WAY overpriced as compared to their performance. Buttkicker LFE's blow these away. You can get 4 of those for the price of 2 of these. Way more powerful, tactile and realistic. If these were worth it, it wouldn't be the last google search you find on transducers, period.
So you are basing this opinion on where Crowsons fall in the Google search rankings? If that is the case, do a search on Subwoofers, even search "best subwoofers" and tell me that the ACTUAL best subwoofers show up at the top. Guess what...they don't, not even close. You could do the same search for many audio products and the generally accepted "best" ones, will not be anywhere near the top. Secondly, the Crowsons provide a FLAT response from 1 - 600 hz, the Buttkickers do not. I was not providing this video to compare with other brands, hence why I even provided the names and links to other brands, but that does not mean those other brands compete in frequency response. Crowsons are generally accepted by the HT community as the best actuators for accurate TR response. I was merely confirming that with my opinion. If you feel differently, you are entitled to do so, but again, it's just opinion. Thanks for watching...cheers.
You should be a salesman. I've seen several videos on the crowns. this is the first that actually makes me seriously consider them... Some day, down the road after a 2nd big subwoofer, some valencia seats and probably some new front stage speakers
haha, I used to do sales when I was young, I sucked at it lmao.
I have had these for several years and they are game changers .If you can get them blended with the subs of choice the returns are huge.
I got 4 aura sound shakers for a 5.6.2 setup. Simply fantastic. Movie watching is so mutch better with shakers!!
Absolutely, I can agree with that. It just adds to the immersion, and that is what it's all about.
Imported them to 🏴🏴🏴 awesome!!
Full kit along with 2 svs sb-16’s I’m no longer lacking in bass 😆
Id love to see this system with the dbox motion actuators
Appreciate the recommendations in the video, Barrett. My set just arrived and you were bang on about how precise, intense, and well made these things are.
Thanks! I didn't need all those pictures to stay on my walls. Great intro!
Thanks for watching brother...cheers!
Definitely the video that stands out for me purchasing them also. Thanks Barrett. Eagerly checking the mail in the meantime
No problem, thanks for watching...cheers.
With the amount of bass already in your room from your massive subs, did you find these still added more? I would imagine you already had a good amount of tactile response.
Thanks for watching, and most definitely these added to the bass in my system. Both of my 24" subs are in the front of the room now, I do get some TR from them, but not enough for my appetite lol. The Crowsons definitely add that vibration I like.
You can have all the Bass and subs in your room you want but there is just no replacement for Tactile Response based seating. I have not experienced Nearfield subs right behind the seats in home applications so that might be pretty effective.
I have one ButtKicker LFE with a 1000 watt RMS amp pushing it on a three seat couch. I love it for movies would never not use them again. For music I turn them off.
Thank so much for your review these are excellent.. Not cheap..... I was crossing between the VT200 immersion and these..... Still undecided 🤔💭
Cheers Ned 🍺🍻👍
What settings did you use? Like low pass filter, high pass filter? Have to deal with any delay issues? Use a miniDSP HD with it? Thanks.
Thank you for the detailed review. Have you tried the Crowson system plus EZBEQ? Love to hear your thoughts.
Haha, no I haven't tried BEQ yet. I may need to give it a shot one day.
@@SpecOfTech The Combination of Crowson System plus EZBEQ doubles the tactile feedback in my HT system because the Crowson could dig down to 1Hz.
I have both, crowson for my home theater, and buttkicker for my family room. Tactically they are both the same. Just different ergonomics and shape. Now when it comes to Auro and Dayton both have different feel compared to the crownson and buttkicker, as they are attached directly to your couch. But between the butts and the crows both are identical IMHO
What's the difference with between all three in terms of feel? Are some just less tactile or more sloppy relatively speaking? Edit: for what it's worth I was planning on getting the Dayton ones since they seem to have good specs for what they cost.
Interesting observation- this difference in experience between the devices (expensive vs inexpensive) is what i was trying to suss out with my earlier comment. It’s the glaring omission in this video.
How low do the Butt Kickers go though? They advertise down to 10hz vs 5hz on Crawson, but I don't know if anyone has measured what they each actually reach.
If I understand that view of the underside of your Valencia Tuscany seat, it has 8 feet. Two under each armrest and four under the seat. Why did you choose the two rear armrest feet for the Crowsons instead of the two rear seat feet? Seems like the seat feat would transmit the energy to your body better than through the armrests.
I chose the 2 armrests because this way some of the sensation is transferred to the seats on either side of the MLP. There is still PLENTY of TR for the MLP, as a matter of fact, I don't have them turned up anywhere near max. If you turn it up too much, the synergy just isn't there between the Crowsons and the subs.
@@SpecOfTech Thanks for the reply. Like many decisions it comes down to personal preference and other things like what works best with existing equipment. This video was the first time I saw the underside of a Tuscany. My guess is that the feet under the seat will bear more weight (when the chair is occupied) than the armrest feet. And I assume that putting the Crowsons under the seat would better connect with the person. If only using one Crowson per chair I'd guess it would be even more advantageous to put it under the seat.
@@noneofyourbusiness4433 Absolutely, I agree with you there. If you have 1 Crowson per seat, you would most likely be better off placing it under the load baring metal frame of the seat.
These look really good. Maybe a perfect companion for sealed subs, so you get the benefits of sealed and the actuators take care of tactile response. Only downside, I sit in the middle of a 3 seater sofa and the feet are on either end. So not sure how I could get them to work for me.
As long as you can get a couple Crowsons under your sofa, you will benefit from them. Remove the 2 back feet, and put 2 Crowsons under the sofa. Just make sure your front feet are also 1".
@@SpecOfTech Actually been thinking about this. Attaching wood blocks in the position I'd want the Crowsons to go would work!
Yes that's what I did!! I have 3 PSA sealed subs (S3012 x2 and then S3600)...Then I have 3 Crowsons...It's pretty amazing for my personal set-up!!
@@13Jeepjumper sounds like a great setup . May I ask how did you get 3 of these crowsons? Don’t they come in pairs ? I’m thinking of getting them . Thanks
My sealed subs shake the hell out of my sofa but I get great response from 8hz-160hz in my room. Running 3 SB-4000's and used REW + MSO to EQ the subs.
Barrett, its hillarious to me that you have these knowing what else is in your system
lol, but I love bass 😂
I know right!?!?! It is like the guy who has 3 50 caliber machine guns being excited about 22 caliber handgun🤣😅🤣😅🤣
Crowsons are probably the best investment I've made in my home theater. Money will spent. For those of you on the fence, just do it.
Great vid Barrett. Bass shakers have always been part of the plan but they keep getting pushed to the back of the list. My room has 3 rows with the back to rows on dual risers. I know some transducers mounted on the risers can be felt across all seats on the risers, I am curious if 4 of these would accomplish the same across the 7 seats (3 theater seats and 4 authentic cinema seats). I like how these are hidden while riser bass shakers would have to be mounted directly to the risers and not the frame of the seating
If you want to take it to the next level, build a hoverboss. It's freaking awesome.
LOVE it! Nice review as always. I have always been skeptical of "bass shakers". I've experienced them and they can but fun, but nothing great but was more "gimmicky" if you will. Nothing against them, just not my cup of tea....THEN I was talked into getting 3 Crowsons after I got 3 sealed PSA subs and WOW! COMPLETELY different experience than a "shaker". I am amazed how much they add....everything from gun shots (think John Wick)...it makes you feel like you're getting hit...to just bass heavy music...well worth the investment if you are able to swing it!!!
what a excellent video bro!
Great video! A couple years ago I almost bought Bass Shakers for my system. I wasn't sure if they would be worth it, so I didn't. I have to reconsider now! If you say they work that good I am a believer!!! Jeez, another thing to add to my list lol. You know I will just have to come over and check 'em out!! Question, what did you think of the new Paradigm Founders series speakers having listened to them? I just had a chance to only look at them. I was impressed, way nicer than my (sold) Paradigm Prestige that the Founders series is replacing. As always, well done Barrett! Cheers
Hey John, I hope all is well brother, and thanks for watching. Well I didn't get to listen to the Founders alone, we only listened to them in a surround sound set up. That being said, they were very clear and dynamic, seemed to work great for HT use anyway.
Great video. Did you buy them from a Canadian retailer?
No unfortunately the only way to order them is through Crowson themselves.
Thoughts on Clark synthesis ? I have three 429 in my living room tripe seat and six in my theater room - love them…
I considered the Clarks before getting the Crowsons as well. I have no doubt they are fantastic, my theory is that the Crowsons would be more authentic feeling though. I have had a 24" 4400 watt subwoofer right behind my chair before, and the Crowsons feel almost identical to that, minus the audible bass of course.
Really enjoyed the video. I'm on the waiting list for them right now.
Just curious, why couldn't you have used the original threaded bolt in the metal frame to mount the new rubber isolators?
Sorry for the late reply. I couldn’t use the original bolt because it was too short to use with the new feet. You will enjoy the Crowsons, they are such a great addition.
@@SpecOfTech Ah ok, thanks!
Barrett, thanks for the review... If I had not built a HoverBOSS platform, I would definitely be considering these. Quick question, did you run them through the MiniDSP and if so, are you using BEQ?
I have not run them through mini dsp just yet, but I do have one that is specifically for these Crowsons. I am not using BEQ, but it is something that is on my radar and I will look at more seriously once my setup is more established. I just have too much going on with the system right now...cheers.
Where is the link for the 1in feet you purchased?
Thanks for the video Barrett! Just wondering where did you get the 1" thick rubber feet? Couldn't seem to find a link in the description... Thanks!
Oh I'll have to fix that. I bought them from Parts Express. Just search "1" rubber feet".
Thanks Barrett! Found them! Are you still using the Crowson's in your system today? Are they holding up ok since you've installed them?
@icemanw2301 oh good! Yeah I still use them and love them. They are holding up just fine, no issuss.
Sounds like a good idea for people that can not have subwoofers, for me better off having subs for bass.
These work hand in hand with subwoofers. They only provide TR, so it makes it feel like you have more subwoofers than you do. It also helps if you need to keep your bass turned down, to give the sensation you have more bass. They aren't for everyone I guess, but they do add to the immersion.
@@SpecOfTech my subwoofers are M&ks I have 6 subs in my home theater plus I don’t need turn them down because I have a separate room for my house theater.
@@victorpulos823 Nice, 6 subwoofers must be amazing. Having a dedicated room is ideal for HT, you are one of the lucky few my friend. Thanks for watching.
@@SpecOfTech it is amazing, I love bass I had my whole system professionally done
Really helpful video! I've just ordered a set of 4 Tuscany's (2 rows of 2) with crowsons also on order. do the full chairs have 8 feet and the chairs with just 1 armrest 6 feet? looking to order isolators but unsure how many I'll need, and if they are required on every single foot/armrest etc? thanks! are you also likely to do any follow up videos after having them settle in? would love to see if you've tried any different positioning arrangements for the crowsons etc
Glad it was helpful for you! Yes the Tuscany's with 2 armrests will have 8 feet and the chair with 1 armrest will have 6. You will require a 1" foot replacement for every foot on the chair. If you are looking to save a little money on feet, what you could do is just replace all the front feet if your Crowsons are to be placed in front, or all the back feet if your Crowsons will be placed in the back. This way you don't have to replace all the back feet or all the front feet depending where you place the Crowsons. I did have the Crowsons under the armrests with my previous chairs. With the new Ultimate Luxury chairs I placed the Crowsons under the front metal frame, and I prefer them under the frame. I find it gives a better response to be under the frame since all the weight of the chair is supported there. The armrests don't support much of the chair weight so it wasn't quite as effective.
@@SpecOfTech that's awesome thanks. I managed to order a set of 24 Hudson isolators at half price so that should give me chance to try out a few different set ups. I went for the luxury's too. Couldn't resist the extra colour options!
The Valencia chairs have an option to select bass shakers. Can you tell me why you did not get the chairs with the shakers as they should be covered by the warranted instead of going through a third party for them?
Because the Crowson actuators are the best on the market and provide a very premium authentic experience. It feels like you have an uber powerful subwoofer behind your chair, versus some other cheaper shakers just feel like your chair is being shook.
Thank you for the response. Really appreciate your honest reviews. Can you tell me what size is the inside of the cup holders? Really want to ensure it will work me before I commit.
@@allibag I no longer have the Tuscany Premiere, I now have the Tuscany Ultimate Luxury. I imagine the cupholders will be the same size, I measured mine and they are 3 3/8". I hope that helps. Please consider using my links if you do decide to purchase, the price is the same for you, but it really helps out the channel. Thanks for watching...cheers.
How about Quake Q10B and XJ-700R ?
Hi! I’m considering these. Where did you order your own “DYI” isolator feet from?
I’ve narrowed down my search to either crowsons or direct mounting buckkicker LFE to the wood frame directly attached to the seat cushion. My chairs are similar (palliser pacifo).
Hey Saskwatch, I am sure you will love either of those choices.
I ordered those 1" rubber feet from Parts Express, here is the link: www.parts-express.com/4-Pack-Rubber-Cabinet-Feet-2.5-Dia.-x-1-H-260-7502?quantity=1
@@SpecOfTech thank you sir! There’s parts of either kit I like over the other and I don’t think a bad choice can be made. I am leaning a bit more towards the BK-LFE with a custom rack mount built underneath the chair to tie the frame together right under the seating position, plus I do like the features of the BK-1000 amp a bit more over the crowson one.
Do you need a extra channel for these or can you use a Y splitter from the subs
You could use a Y splitter, but then keep in mind an EQ or room cal on that output will apply to the Crowsons as well. It would be best on their own, so you can time align them better.
Wait could i use a Bluetooth rca reciver for this because i don’t wanna run cables across the floor
Sure why not as long as it transmits/receives the LFE signal from your AVR/Processor it would work just fine.
Need some low frequency subs. I don't need any butt kickers with my Seaton F18s. LOL
Seaton makes great subwoofers no doubt. I have some pretty impressive low frequency subs as well, I'm running 3 JTR RS2's. I have flat output down to 7hz, but my room is challenging when it comes to TR so the Crowsons are a welcome addition. Once you try them there is no turning back lol...cheers!
Unimpressed by buttkicker mini lfe, i switched to Datyon bst-1. Its a lot better and it costs half of buttkicker
Thanks for input...cheers.
Mini is crap, get the actual size buttkicker, you will be amazed.
Cool nich product but that price is just sooo hard to justify they are nice well built and all but thats over $2200 Canadian for a single user out of the Box. I really hope you enjoy them my friend but after you get your new Legacy Towers installed which look completely Insane i might add lol I dont think U will need these chair shakers much anymore Lmao 🔊🔊🔊 keep the Videos coming Bud was cool to get your opinion on them 👍👍
Hey would U mind doing a small test next time U run a test sweep with your Mic I was wonders if playing Movies and such on Your new Xbox X and has similar or less sound quality characteristics then your Panasonic 4k Player especially for how loud and crazy we like push it for 😅😅🤔🤔 Cheers Bro 🥂🥂
I hope you are having fun with that LFE24, have you watched all your favorite movies with it yet?
Oh yea Bud it was pretty insane ear hurt session lol the Best Top
craziest sounding scenes had to be for me are
Edge of Tomorrow Opening Scene
John Wick Chapter 1 Bar Scene shoot out
Ready Player One Race Scene
The Dark Knight Bat Tank Bat Bike Scene
Matrix Reloaded Smith Swarm Brawl Fight
Alita Battle Angel Roller Derby Scene
The Incredible Hulk Bottle Factory Destruction
Just loving the LFE Ultra man 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻🔊🔊🔊
Cant wait till Godzilla VS Kong comes out on the 15th on 4K Atmos 🔊🔊🔊🔊 Neighborhood wont like me that day lol
Great video, you cost me more money! My wife is starting to really not like you! lol Can you post the link for the 1" furniture feet please. All the one's I find are way more expensive.
Lol that's okay, I am happy to take the dislike from your wife on your behalf. It's the price I am willing to pay so you can live your audio dreams haha. Here is the link to the feet I used.
www.parts-express.com/4-Pack-Rubber-Cabinet-Feet-2.5-Dia.-x-1-H-260-7502
I plan on using a mini DSP with the crows is (when I receive them). What would be a good range to set the low frequency cutoffs? (I don’t need guns shots, just the more common frequencies in the lower range). Thanks
If you are just looking for the low end you could use a 30hz or 25hz cutt off. The best bet is to play around with your cut off and see what feels best to you. I believe a common cut off for the Crowsons is 40hz, you may want to try that too.
I've seen another video where the guy installed 2 actuators directly in the front/center of the valencia seats and then one in the center of each. In the video, he chose not to install them directly under the armrests because they actually detach from the valencia seats.
After I installed them under the armrest, I ended up coming to the same conclusion, that it probably wasn't the best either. I now have them under the frame itself.
When your concidering subs for 9k each I believe you said and your concidering 2 of them but you decided to go with a product that cost a 10th of the price, it seems like a strange place to save $60 by not getting the best feet you could. It sounded like their was a benifit to using the $30 feet opposed to cheaper ones. Why did you chose to save $60 on the feet. Did I misunderstand you? Is their a benefit to the way you feel the bass or is it just to prevent vibration from going into the floor and you don’t care about? It just seems like a funny place to save such a small amount of money when your building a system as expensive as the one you have
Haha, I was probably talking to fast as usual. I didn't save $60 on the feet, I spent about $60 total on all 22 feet that were needed. If I were to buy the Sorbathane feet from Crowson, it would have been $660 USD total. So I saved $600 on the feet. I just didn't see the benefit of spending another $600, especially when I already get more than enough TR with the cheaper feet. The Sorbathane feet probably would give you more TR, but I honestly didn't need more TR, I don't even have them turned all the way as is. For $600 you could buy another actuator which would be a better option than the feet, in my opinion.
@@SpecOfTech ok gotcha. I thought that was a weird place to pinch a penny. With such an alaborate system. So the sorbathane feet don’t really add to the authenticity of the response just gives you a little extra tr. thanks
10k watt peak nuff said 😂
You should try q10b earthquakes much more accurate than buttkicker and others. Buttkickers more of a shaker felt like fairground ride gimmicky whereas q10b is more like a subwoofer extension you cant tell something under you unless your told you think its the sub but i know dual sb16s cant do that. Ive heard great about the crowsons. Ive never tried as it wouldnt work on my large ushaped sofa but someone who had both said they were as accurate as crowsons. You should try them for a review they really need the xj700 dsp earthquake class j amp with its own curve as it really makes them work with the sub onky playing 30hz and lower get more powerful as they go below 20hz it all works great with xj700 dsp as it has dsp internally to setup the q10bs to what they need. Fyi like you said about lab testing thats what the q10bs are for as well maybe why they both out do buttkicker which more of a shaker a good shaker but still gimmicky in my experience. I ended up with 4 q10bs qfter trialing the buttkicker vs them.
Thanks for the suggestion and for watching. I would be curious to try the Q10B one day, just to see if there is a difference between them and the Crowsons. I am still extremely happy with my Crowsons, they are incredibly authentic feeling.
@@SpecOfTech i bet you are ive heard only good things about them.
Can I tag the wife in this? Lmao
lmao, by all means, if it will help you in getting some sweet new gear...tag away!!
Barrett you are looking great my man!!! Looks like you have dropped some pounds and gotten swole at the same time. Must be all the exercise from moving the seats and subwoofers 😊 Thanks for the content. ❤🔥
lol thanks for noticing man, I have dropped about 15 lbs. I don't know about getting swole, but I do even lift bro lol. Thanks for always supporting the channel brother.
@@SpecOfTech How much u bench barret?
@@RJ-xj3ct I haven't been benching for a while now, can't have a spotter because of Covid lol. I do dumbbell presses, for my reg workout I use 90lb dumbbells, not sure what the heaviest ones I could press would be. I imagine I could do 100-120 lbs dumbbells without hurting something. My goal is to be using 120lb dumbbells by the end of the year for my reg routine. Are you a lifter too? What do you bench?
@@SpecOfTech Ah I gotcha. Well I run track for the school so I lift regularly and usually I try to bulk during the summer and use the track season to get lean. My bench PR is 225 which I'm pretty proud of because just a year ago I was hitting like 115.
Damn, the price is EXTREME 😢
They aren't cheap, that's for sure. But they are the best of the best when it comes to seat transducers.
@SpecOfTech ok, good to know...
Thank you...
I have a Buttkicker and two Auras. I think they’re a fantastic addition to my system- in fact, in some ways I prefer the more inexpensive Auras to the BKs. Regardless, I’m a fan of bass transducers. I thought they’d be a silly gimmick, but your descriptions are spot-on (“natural’? I don’t remember your exact terms). However, I have felt this way about the $40/each Auras, paired with an inexpensive Dayton plate amp… not this $2000 system you’re gushing about. You make no effort to explain what these premium, expensive devices offer over traditional bass shakers, let alone any facts or knowledge describing how they are functionally superior to basic bass shakers. Especially given the massive price differential. I hope your chat with the CEO didn’t submit you to a reality distortion field. You spend a lot of time proclaiming your editorial independence and subjective experience, and zero on objective/functional advantages. I don;t doubt these are better than my Auras…. But WHY? And is the price premium worth it?
thanks for watching, but this wasn't a comparison video between Aura sound and Crowson Tech. Compare the specs to your Aura's, and you may find your answers.
@@SpecOfTech not my point… you suggest there’s a fundamentally superior technology involved in these…. I’m left wondering what that is!
@@BeefyMon Well unfortunately, it isn't always possible to answer all questions in a YT video. I do suggest you speak with Randolph at Crowson, if you would like to know how his actuators differ from other similar products...cheers.
Powerful? 😂 11:40 thats cute...my cellphone can vibrate more than that :D :D The best of the best is Hovereze and BossBack but those are DIY
It's hard to visually illustrate vibration, what the glass full of liquid shows versus what you feel sitting in the chair, are two totally different things. Damn that must be some cellphone if it can physically vibrate a chair more than that 😉. Keep in mind that these were not turned all the way up, and the goal is the tactile response to be realistic, not to just shake the ever living piss out of your chair lmao.
Can’t buy these, they are always out of stock!
Unfortunately, you have to contact the company and be placed on the waiting list. Good things come to those who wait lol.
These are WAY overpriced as compared to their performance. Buttkicker LFE's blow these away. You can get 4 of those for the price of 2 of these. Way more powerful, tactile and realistic. If these were worth it, it wouldn't be the last google search you find on transducers, period.
So you are basing this opinion on where Crowsons fall in the Google search rankings? If that is the case, do a search on Subwoofers, even search "best subwoofers" and tell me that the ACTUAL best subwoofers show up at the top. Guess what...they don't, not even close. You could do the same search for many audio products and the generally accepted "best" ones, will not be anywhere near the top.
Secondly, the Crowsons provide a FLAT response from 1 - 600 hz, the Buttkickers do not. I was not providing this video to compare with other brands, hence why I even provided the names and links to other brands, but that does not mean those other brands compete in frequency response. Crowsons are generally accepted by the HT community as the best actuators for accurate TR response. I was merely confirming that with my opinion. If you feel differently, you are entitled to do so, but again, it's just opinion. Thanks for watching...cheers.
What a pointless product.
Clearly you have never experienced them. I will never have a theater without them.
What a useless comment from someone just clueless