This Is NOT How Professionals Stain Fences - Expert Reacts
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- čas přidán 28. 03. 2023
- Today we're looking at a video from a VERY popular DIYer who claims to clean and stain this fence like a pro. Will they actually do a good job here? Let's dig into it!
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Why do most people that speak with so much confidence and in absolutes usually are wrong?
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Absolutely 100% true. Usually wrong or not good at what they do - or both.
100
Dunning-Kruger effect
From Wikipedia:
The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people with limited competence in a particular domain overestimate their abilities. It was first described by Justin Kruger and David Dunning in 1999. Some researchers also include the opposite effect for high performers: their tendency to underestimate their skills. In popular culture, the Dunning-Kruger effect is often misunderstood as a claim about general overconfidence of people with low intelligence instead of specific overconfidence of people unskilled at a particular task.
He who speaks much knows little. He who speaks little knows much. He who speaks with hubris is he who fails. He who speaks with confidence is he who succeeds. The only way to determine which is which is to look at it from a position of retrospective (looking back at the results).
I always enjoy a Joe reviewing Jeff video! Sometimes I shake my head and sometimes I laugh 😂 Keep up the great work my friend!
😂 thanks buddy!
I'm glad you're calling this hack out. I absolutely dislike that that guy comes up on my feeds. I've tried to perma-block him, but it won't stick.
Appreciate you watching and weighing in!
I just use a $100 battery powered 2 gal sprayer with oil based stain on cedar. You can back brush it fairly quickly if needed. The sprayer cleans up easily and is also used for weed control. I also use the same sprayer 50/50 bleach water to spray on old fences to clean them up. You would definitely not want to brush on bleach. Also sun absolutely degrades bleach, it certainly does not help it "activate".
Sounds like great processes, I appreciate you sharing them!
I heard the 30-second fence cleaner was good but I'd rather just use 50/50 bleach and maybe add a little dish soap to use a sprayer. This section of the fence is maybe two years old and it seems I better stain it before it gets beyond saving
What sprayer do you use?
Field King 2 gal powered sprayer
I'm impressed by his confidence and commitment to his level of ignorance. On a brighter note... he sure can cut a deck brush!
😂 you’re not kidding!
In one of Jeff's video on building a storage shed in the backyard for organization. Yet I saw his backyard looked almost like a junk yard. After that, I had 2nd thought about anything this guy says
Excellent review of this video! You said much of what I was thinking.
I don't see you and Jeff becoming besties in the near future with all that positive feedback and criticism.
Most definitely need to protect eyes and skin from harsh chemicals.
Thanks for watching and weighing in, Deana!
Jeff just showing everyone the landlord special.
UV actually causes degradation to SH and cuts the half-life. We use it for soft washing and have to keep it out of the sun and we don't let it sit too long either and refresh of cans often.
Great point!
It’s also bleach just like he said.
Thanks for sharing your expertise and experience with us. 😊
Very welcome, always happy to help!
Haha, I always get a kick out of the Jeff videos. It reminds me of the "Red Green Show" from years ago...
😂 thanks for watching and commenting!
As someone who is currently redesigning my 10+ year old pine fence, I have to say the ‘before’ fence looked pretty good. Faded out but hardly gray or moldy. He picked the worst way to apply the bleach (and no eye protection!). I sprayed my bleach cleaner in the shade so it wouldn’t dry too fast. And bleach breaks down in the sun. I also pressure washed it after. There exists paint mixers for drill/drivers so his mixer was a little silly. I used a cedar colored stain on my fence at it looks so good. I actually used different coats and tints on each board so it looks like reclaimed wood (kind of like the wall behind you, but not as drastic color variations).
I feel like Jeff just says whatever he wants. You can tell what kind of guy he is just by watching his videos where he’s “nice” on camera
Agreed 💯
I sure as hell wouldn’t want him for a neighbour. Pretty sure he’s just an arrogant, short fused, opinionated jerk.
Yep. Jeff seems like one of those "always right" guys. He would lose his temper if any one disagreed.. especially women.
I watch Jeff’s channel from time to time, but watching these are great!… I caught the first one you did last week of Jeff, now I have to find the second. I wish everyone of these were you crituqing Jeff. 😂 He’s such a snarky guy. Love it👍👍
I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship. Lol
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The hazard of sodium hypochlorite bleach is not so much the chlorine, but that the commercial product is loaded with lye (caustic soda, sodium hydroxide, NaOH) to give it a high pH which keeps the hypochlorite stable in the container instead of outgassing on the shelf and losing potency. As a cleaner and disinfectant it is more the lye solution that is doing the work, not the free chlorine generated by lowering the pH with the dilution with neutral water. The lye formula resembles the purple degreaser products. On a fence application like this, there is little bleaching going on, it is essentially just a harsh chemical cleaner from the lye that removes superficial dirt and mold. That is why the product makes your skin feel slippery; the lye is turning your skin oils and fat into soap! The chlorine will be weak and gone in a matter of hours or days and won't actually bleach anything, but the lye will soak into the wood and stay for a long time, making it alkaline and interfering with the stain and promoting future microbial growth. If you want to clean a fence better to use a pH-neutral surfactant and a pressure washer. Using a scrubber brush as a paint brush to transport from bucket to target surface is a stupid waste of labor, and as you note, spreading the chemical hazard all over where it doesn't belong.
I appreciate you sharing your experience!
Awesome info!! Preferred ph neutral surfactant?
It's true - everyone is allowed to do it their own way. He sounds like my neighbor, though, who pushed over my fence to put his up (because he can do everything better), who jack-hammered the concrete off of the corner posts of my fence to pour his corner post...🙄
Woah!
Wow. My one neighbor is so lazy their cheap wood fence is gray and falling down all around their yard.
My new cedar fence has dried mud on a few of the boards from the day of installation. (It stormed that morning.) Since you said to start with the weakest cleaner first, what would you recommend for cleaning off mud? Plain water? Does all of a two month old #1 grade western red cedar fence need to be fully cleaned before staining/sealing? Or is spot cleaning sufficient? Thank you!
@redbloodedbutterfly
soap and water
Great review! C2 really seems like an excellent product (if you believe the website) but that stain is $80-100 a can and he's just letting it leak out all over the place, not to mention trashing his expensive Dewalt impact driver! There's no way his application is going to last.
As a Tampa native and Lightning fan I'm digging the jersey in the background! Great gift from nationwide industries
Absolutely agreed! I appreciate you watching!
There is the reality that unless the neighbor is going to let you seal his side also THE BOARDS ARE ALL GOING TO cup , and degrade the structure faster than if just left alone!!
Fair point, I appreciate you weighing in!
I used water based solid stain for my 4x6 wood posts for the gate, would that need to be sanded off in order to apply oil based stain or would adding oil based just not have as much protection over dried water based ?
I don't often agree with Jeff. But I agree that if you prefer Greyed cedar you are crazy or lazy. I'll add cheap. You stain, paint, clear a cedar fence you add years to the fence, and it always looks so much better. I understand your point though Joe. You shouldn't insult a large portion of your client base. I also 100% agree that if you don't address the post at and just below grade, you are wasting your time trying to add life to the main part of the fence. But a finished fence looks better. I don't think very many people disagree. I think most people are cheap if they hired a fence company or lazy if doing it themselves. I personally am both cheap and lazy. I want to save on labor so I would build my own fence. I'm lazy in that I don't want to do it again for many, many years. I'm also cheap in that I don't want to buy more fencing material for a long as possible! I would build my own fence and take steps on the posts at the grounds as well as finish the fence and reapply religiously.
A garden sprayer is the way to go. I have also found that if you add a little soap to the mix it keeps the bleach from streaking by giving it a little foaming action. Great video!
Be careful, adding soap to bleach could make mustard gas!
I think he just found the easiest fence he could for his demonstration... Dipped lumber is expensive, started using it about 15 years ago, the fences we installed it on still look great, the initial investment is high but I believe the better investment than these 1-2 year band aids that aren't near as effective.
Absolutely agree!
What brand of stain do you recommend that can be used with a pump sprayer. I prefer the oil base also. Not sure if thompsons will work in a pump sprayer
What did you use if I may ask?
I like ready seal
As he was scrubbing the uoper part of the fence with the brush above his shoulders i was wondering how much of that product is going back on his hand and clothes. Im sure the bristles on his brush are like most other bristles where they fling stuff uncontrollably.
I was thinking in his eyes.
I used Ready Seal stain on a pine board on board fence. Do I REALLY need to do second coat? I have so much fence that I’m going to die if I have to do two coats.
Would you use Ready seal, getting a new fence and I don't know which one to use.
We use Expert Professional Wood Care Products: thefenceexpert.org/Expert
Opinion of Ready Seal and Cabot?
@@coppulor6500 I'm a fan I just finished staining my fence in the light oak color. I found ready seal a lot cheaper than the one he suggest. About 400 to 500 cheaper.
@@bayodamanthanks!
Bleach is not uv activated but it works better, not in the sun but if it has been sunny a day or two before you apply bleach because the organic would be liquid starved, it would soak up pretty quickly.
Can you imagine having Jeff as a neighbor?
No way
I actually have a worse neighbor, hehe Imagine having my neighbor being your neighbor, hahha
thanks for calling this guy out. Every video I have seen of his got me pissed. I saw him doing a railling on a deck and he was saying to lay out the ballisters by eye, how does that work. I stopped his videos on my feed and this is the first I've seen of him since. I guess it's ok if you just want something done now, with no attention to detail or common practices, but he needs calling out in the nicest way possible. I think you've accomplished that. Thanks
I followed this guys advice....i emptied half my tin of stain over the yard, my clothes are covered in bleach marks and my black cat is now black and white.
😂 nailed it!
Oh I think I see what Jeff was saying about mixing the stain. He was basically saying even if he only has 80% of the stain left after mixing it was still better because it was mixed and had the UV protection properly distributed? Maybe? Or how about just mix it properly and not spill 20% of it!
Jeff is that dude that knows EVERYTHING
I generally like his work, but when I originally watched this video I was like wtf!
Until I realised its his daughters house so perhaps he's cutting corners a bit.
Personally, and I know it's a bit strange, but I will put sodium hypochlorite in a snow foam cannon (old one of course) and apply it in that manner.
Really good, super fast and thorough coverage. Can coat a whole fence in literally minutes and no need to dilute it either.
Then when it's soaked you can just pop the cannon off, pop on your trigger and pressure wash it off the fence.
Done!
Nice process, I appreciate you sharing it!
It is so frustrating to hear him bad mouth the neighbors. Maybe knock on the door and talk to them and get their input.
No kidding, they might have helped pay for it!
I'm in the middle of a fence build. Neighbour paying for half after a quick knock on the door and a discussion on design.
@@Wavezone304 perfect example! Bravo!
Painter here. He using the worst bush for that job, it's too wide, too coarse and holds very little solution. He goes from the bucket to the fence and most of the solution has dripped onto the grass. Frustrating to watch. Like you suggest, a pump sprayer is the easiest and fastest way to get the product on. Then use a softer brush that holds more solution from the bucket with a more diluted solution to work the product into the corners and crevices. Then rinse it off with a garden hose sprayer and all the plants and stuff that got spattered. Then let it dry for a few days. Use a moister meter if you have one. Like you said 15% or less moisture. Then, like you said an oil based stain. It could also use a light sanding to break off loose fibers. Don't sand too much or you lose the texture of the rough cedar. You don't want smooth spots mixed in with rough spots either.
Thank you for making this video 👏💯 Amen !!! He should be invited & attend a few staining university classes
stay on him. we all know he works as a used car salesmen full time. You are saving people time and money, thanks for doing what I can't.
I don't stain many fences but a do stain a lot of decks and railings. As a painter the only difference between a fence and a deck railing is location. My experience with water based penetrating stains is they work great on bare wood. A few years later when it's time to apply a maintenance coat they won't penetrate at all. They are so water resistant that it just runs off and looks terrible.
Absolutely agree, they really need to be stripped off completely but even then the finish can be inconsistent. Thanks for watching and weighing in!
LOL I just finished Jeff's video and thought I won't be doing it that way...then I saw this video.
I lightly mist the wood fence before i apply and cleaner. Helps move the cleaner and or bleach around
More of these please! Learning from this guys fuck up is fun!
Wow... that's hard to watch. Good thing staining is not his income source!
You’re not kidding!
Wow, it's been a while since I stopped watching Jeff. I do not regret that decision.
I think the guy from renovision is in BC and they have rain almost every day of the entire winter so even if that fence looks good, it won't look good the next year. Elsewhere in Canada we have snow, lot of snow and fences rot withing 5 years. Usually signs start to show up at 3 years mark.
He’s in Ontario
Wow! This guy is honestly nuts
You’re not kidding!
I like watching Jeff's videos but there are many mistakes and techniques that look good on video but I know in person they would effect the end result
Agreed
If you watch an episode of The Red Green Show and then one of Jeff's videos, you should have a pretty good laugh.
You might actually want to look into C2. It's a quality product, unlike a lot of Jeff's info!
Uv breaks down Bleach. That's why pools have to be treated quite frequently with chlorine to replace that which was broken down.
What sprayer tool(s) would you recommend for applying stain and sealer? I'm a Midwestern US homeowner and my new cedar fence is 6ft tall and 165ft long. Thank you!
Where I live, what he says is true, people are lazy and do not stain their fences. Here in Canada with winter, after 4-5 years fences are in advanced state of decaying if not stain. I live in a brand new neighborhood and fences that are more than 3 years old are turning black and has mold.
And so many people just don't care but it's so ugly. And for the crazy part I fully agree with him too sonce people pay around 10k for a fence that does not last 5 years. For me this is crazy to throw money out of the window like that. Staining takes maybe 2 hours and help keep the fence nice. A few stain them and you can see a clear difference. It's like day and night.
Could you oil base it real good one time and then just water base it for upkeep. Maybe after a couple years then oil base again?
Can you do a expert review of the home reno video “diy cedar privacy fence”
In the video he attached the pickets with Pl premium and braid nail.
Done! czcams.com/video/u5Fzu4oXWzo/video.html
Hey Joe I’m in Ohio and the fence code near a sidewalk is 4’ tall with a 2:1 ratio picket to spacing, nobody at zoning for permits is able to explain the code to me as I want to do it right the first time, can you explain the ratio to me, my understanding is that if you have a 4” inch picket that should equate to a 2” spacing, am I correct 🤷🏻♂️
That’s how I would interpret the ratio: 4:2 = 2:1
Jeff's "How-To" video feels like an SNL skit.
I hadn’t thought of it that way, but you’re exactly right!
no lie..double checked the date..thought it was an april fools joke being reviewed 0_o
😂😂😂 that would have made more sense
Jeff’s solution (and not the best example to follow) to a problem that didn’t exist.
As a chlorine chemist, he is actually completely wrong. Chlorine, which is the part of the hypochlorite that is doing the work, actually breaks down faster in UV.
Thank you for the video. I like how you expose Jeff "The Professional" in your video. I found his other videos as misleading as well.
Do you recommend cedar or redwood (or something else) for a fence in the desert?
This is probably the guy that Mike Holmes is always cleaning up after.
You all just need to have a sit down interview...
I think you picked it all apart like a me eating the meat off a chicken leg bone. Couldn't disagree with anything you said. Good job.
Have you ever heard him talk to his helpers? He is so condisending. Id hate working with Jeff.
I absolutely don’t doubt that
I watch jeff thorman for alot of things i m learning how to do as a first year contractor ….
Unfortunately, at least when it comes to fences, what he seems to do best is cut corners. You’d be better served finding a professional in your chosen field to follow.
I agree he is misleading in a lot of his videos yes listen to Joe
We don’t even offer pine pickets fence , all we do is cedar because the pine pickets are so bad .. Why in the world would he not use a pump sprayer . Idk this guy seems like he wants to do everything wrong and the hard way 🤷♂️
He definitely took the longer/messier route!
Jeff is anything but a professional. He typically does more things wrong than right. Watching his videos is like looking at a car wreck. And when it comes to safety gear.... Jeff is nowhere to be found. I doubt he even owns a pair of safety glasses. If you don't think product is splattering off that fence into his face while using that stiff brush, I've got a bridge to sell you. And I have never seen anything so ludicrous as him trying to stir the stain with that 2x4 and splashing it all over.
Joe, you are much to kind when reviewing his videos.
13:47 I think it means he’s a goober
😂 💯
It’s funny because he makes the videos to show you, the viewer, the easiest way to get things done with a nice result but just to start he bought a brush head that isn’t going to hold a lot of the product each dip. The brush he went with looks like it’s plastic bristles that are not tightly packed together so 90% of the product stays in the bucket. It would have been much easier and more effective to use a half decent 5 inch stain brush, you would get much better coverage each dip that way lol
A small drill mixer in our area, the area he works in will only run you between $5-8 Canadian dollars as well it isn’t inhibitive to anyone looking to tackle this project on their own to buy one let alone someone who’s being paid to complete this project
I also almost always use a behr waterproof stain for my fences, generally our clients want some sort of tint and behr offers a very wide variety from basically natural to full colour jet black. We use a cheap sprayer and then back brush behind, rarely have any issues and the ones that do arise are almost always from a situation of a dog jumping and scratching at the fence ruining the finish or smaller issues like having their garden hose rub on the edge of a post everyday when they break it out and just need a little can of touch up stain to keep it pristine. We’ve had no issues with the quality of the stain itself and have a much more efficient process of getting the job done than what he’s been saying to do
I guess that guy would polish the green patina off of the Statue of Liberty
Please keep reviewing Jeff!!! I love seeing a professional calling him out! He’s awful.
Its not the easyest way hi does it thats for sure.
And also its not the right way.
And a fence thats 3 years old dosnt need a cemical cleaning befor you put on oil.
Just brush it off or give a good rinse with your presurwasher and let it dry for a few days and then put some oil on it. Yes maybe it needs 2 coats befor it dosnt soak any more. But the do that.
All fair points!
Just for clarification. A light spray with the pressurwasher. No need to go to close with it so you make any marks and open the grain of the wood.
Absolutely agree!
I would have used a sprayer for both
Jeff normally throws caution to the wind when he does videos… no eye protection.. no gloves…
Even the old oiled wooden 3 log fences dont last 50 years.. some of it might but wouldnt still call it a fence.. only stone hardscaped fences will last 50+ years.. unless you encapsulated the wood with something waterproof than its going to get water in it and gonna rot.. bugs.. they sometimes get past your oils or paints.. unless you paint every few years i guess itll last 50 years but i wouldnt call that a 50 year old fence., 50 yr old wood..
Dang it, Boby, take your hat off. We are talking about fences.
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Theres a lot of red flags on his video, I was surprised but the fact he thinks pine is better than cedar is beyond me
Absolutely agree, thanks for watching and weighing in!
I watched the first few minutes of Jeff's video when it was posted and something seemed off and unappealing so I didn't bother finishing it. After watching your reaction now I understand why I was turned off by it. I do like most of Jeff's videos though. This is definitely not a professional fence cleaning and staining process.
Agreed
I don’t know anyone who considers the “other side of fence” as something they have the right or responsibility to maintain, bc they didn’t buy it and isn’t on their property. That is a lawsuit waiting to happen.
It's Jeff's way or the Highway 😆
😂 isn’t that the truth
Sometimes I think Jeff's videos are great, some questionable even to someone like me not in the trades. The areas I tend to take away most in his videos is general contracting since to be his wheelhouse (think in a podcast he mentioned he was/still is a GC in Canada). But like anything more specialized in home renovations, I double check with a specialist before I attempt anything DIY... Protect yourself at all times.
Ol Jeff! 😂
😂😂😂
Dilute 6:1 and use garden sprayer . Apply a few LIGHT coats IN LESS TIME than being stupid with one application with a brush (jeff is kinda slow).
Great process, I appreciate you sharing it!
Why didn't he just pressure wash to clean???
I thought if you leave one side I stained then water gets in
i always, hate seeing that guy, on his, home video, remodel stuff.. .. .. he is not real.
That Jeff guy is such a jerk. What matters is who owns the fence. If it's his fence then he can do what he wants. If he does not own the fence then he has no business touching it with any products.
Jeff did really seem unprofessional in this video. And weirdly contemptuous.
As good as that fence looked. Would’ve just pressure washed it and sprayed or brushed on stain. I’m not a fence guy just saying. Sweeping that fence with a brush looks like a lot of work
I like gray cedar. I guess I'm crazy and lazy
That fence looked like it was pretty good shape to me. Seems like he wasted his time
Agreed, a light cleaning would have still been a good idea but not with the heavy chemical application.
he means from the 100% tine full if he spells % still left 80%
Not a fan of that deck being built all the way out to the fence. Weird. It's like a living room with way too much furniture. I know that besides the topic but I had to comment. lol
Fair point, thanks for watching and weighing in!
wood is organic. what a tool
I find all this interesting but don't worry about my fence or the neighbour's fence. They're all chain link fences and will outlast the average lifespan of a human.
Bleach disintegrates in sunlight lol
Yep!
Many of Jeff's advices are good, but some aren't unfortunately.
Agreed, I appreciate you watching!
Did he take his meds that morning
That DIY CZcamsr used to be a Cedar for everything guy. Now, he hates Cedar. I guess Cedar isn't good for his CZcams analytics.