40K Imperial Armour! The Basilisk Self Propelled Artillery And The Earthshaker Cannon!
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- The Basilisk 132mm Artillery! mounting the workhorse of the Imperial bombardment core the Earthshaker Cannon. Where ever the Imperial Guard fights you are more then likely to hear the thunder of their guns
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If your problem isn't being solved with artillery, your problem is that you're not using enough artillery
That, or you didn't fix bajonets in time.. eitherway, The Deadkorps of Krieg approves that idea.
Uz be an Ork?? MORE DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA!!!
Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
@@kommissarkillemall2848 the who
World War 1 called, it wants its tactics back
No matter how advanced the warhammer tech is you still see:
1. The Wespe from WWII
2. picatinny rails
those along with the good old 12ga Pumpgun and Flamethrowers. We all know the best weapon against a artillery bunker is a flamethrower, just ask the Japanese.
Well to be fair it did come out in the 80's.
Technically due to lack of industrial standards they’re weaver rails, and we’ve had those since the 30’s. What made picatinny rails different was that a vast majority of former weaver stuff could now interface with it and this mount maintain zero, no longer needing a intermediary like obtuse nato mounts, or screw holes. Every mount, so long as it was in the same spot, which is significantly easier when it’s a a dovetail (see G3 claw mounts, which you have to be careful or it might crush the receiver) that is built solid, and doesn’t have to be removed when cleaned (see also: FN FAL, which the dust cover will not maintain zero after taking gun’s bolt out to clean, unless if screwed on like the DSA scope mounts)
@@TheMartinezSasquatch the pump action has the advantage of whatever the hell you want can go in the pipe we call a barrel, meaning it is pretty much an ideal law enforcement (and military law enforcement) device.
@@TheMartinezSasquatch Pump actions are fine for law enforcement, but they were a failure in the military sense. While they are used as attachments on some weapons these days they are primarily single shot devices used to effect entry into a house.
To be fair, they were a failure in large part due to their ammunition during the war they may have been able to make a difference, that being WWI. The problem you see was that shotgun shells in those days were made of stiff paper. Now the US Army did eventually get brass cased shotgun shells but that was not until AFTER the war had ended.
So, picture this, you are an American Joe, and you have had your Springfield 1903, or Enfield 1917 taken off you and you are given a shotgun. The American soldier of 1918 would have said 'Aaaw shiiiit', then 'lost' the shotgun at the first available opportunity and picked up a rifle. They were NOT popular among the troops, and the issue was that ammo.
There are lots of problems with paper ammunition in the trenches of WWI. First, this is North Western Europe, it rains here, quite a lot. Those shells even if they were kept out of the rain still absorbed moisture, which caused misfires or misfeeds. Then you have the fact they were issued the ammunition loose and not given bandoliers. So the ammo was carried in their pockets. What's a soldier doing on the attack? Ducking for cover, hitting mother earth and hugging it on occasion if a shell drops too close, and so on. That ammunition is GOING to get damaged, more misfires/misfeeds!
There is a reason that shotguns were not retained in the US Militaries arsenal after WWI except for a few niche roles. Door breaking is one of them, but they are intimidating and make great weapons for prison or security guards behind the lines.
Fun fact, my Great Grandfather recalled being issued a shotgun by his Platoon commander on the Somme, but he was issued that because before the war he had been a Game keeper, and his job was to use the shotgun to kill German Messenger Pigeons. It was a little 4:10 his Platoon Commander had had sent over specifically for that purpose. Unfortunately he was killed a few days later, so my Great Grandfather turned the shotgun in so it could be sent to the officers family.
The best thing a Guardsmen could hear on the battlefield. Confirmation on firing coordinants from a battery of Basilisks.
Except when it is your sector of the line to hold them they are team killing grot humpers
Until you remember that you're currently locked in melee combat lol
@@bandaid6550 If I'm going to die by Basilisk fire I'm going to make sure that heretic can escape the blast radius!
ah yes, the most powerful piece of standard issue Guardsman equipment:
the words "fire for effect"
My philosophy has always been, if they are too hard to dig out, bury them in the rubble.
@trueblueprussian 23 That would work too, but I was known for my propensity for removing building that were heavily defended from the equation. I was more inclined to simply level the building rather than try to pick them off or storm the structure.
Remember gentlemen: If it ain't local, then it probably isn't dead. And as such, there is no such thing as overkill if it can shake off a couple rounds of Bolter shells.
Haig thought the same thing.
Earthshaker…Earthshaker…Earthshaker!!!!!!
Saw many a player of any other faction’s face drop when I’d fire my first shot & put down the template.
Always has a proud place in my army…even if they are mostly Catachans.
They're a good artillery regiment, what with their ability to re-roll the number of shots in random-shot weapons, e.g. Earthshaker.
@@markdorn8873 I meant more in a thematic way. Like the Cadian models I have for my armoured platoon, or the Chimera I painted as an ambulance…AA powered LEDs for flashing lights and a wounded guardsman on a gurney in the hold & all.
Still very proud of that.
Regardless, everyone: infantry, armour, storm troopers, ratlings .etc are all in jungle camo.
Except for the ambulance of course. Oh…and the Praetorian veterans, coz why not? 🤷♂️
Player 1 "So what's your theme?"
Player 2 *starts laying out artillery* "Pie plates for DAAAYZ - you?"
Player 1 *starts laying out Salamanders* "I brought the ice-cream cones"
Ref: "You boys aint right in the head."
I’m planning on getting a Basilisk for my guard army, so this was insiteful! I’m also going to try and freehand “Shatter Their Skies!” On the front of it for all the guardsmen I’ve lost in the Dawn of War series.
It's fun but a massive fire magnet on the field. You might get 1 to 2 rounds of fire at best.
@@mdb45424 That's why you hide it out of line of sight and keep a rapid-reaction force nearby to run interference.
*static* "Someone call for an Earthshaker?" *static*
Any update one year later? Did you get your basilisk?
@@Erik-zh7rk instead of a Basilisk I got a Manta.
Just so you are aware, Box Barrages are not new to Vietnam, they were originally developed, like many modern Artillery techniques, during WWI. Primarily Box Barrages during WWI were used to cut an area off, essentially a curtain of fire would 'box' the enemy in, and not allow reinforcements to enter the area. Or indeed the enemy in the box to leave! Not in one piece anyway. It was used to isolate an area for an infantry assault.
What was new in Vietnam was that Communications equipment and fire control equipment had progressed to the point that Box Barrages could be set up rapidly and offensively without much in the way of pre-planning so long as you had well trained gun crews. What was new was not Box Barrages but how they were used in an offensive manner, rather than the more defensive pre-planned examples of WWI.
Most modern artillery techniques were born during WWI, they have been hugely refined over the years as both the guns and the technology for fire control, spotting and communications has progressively gotten better, but the basic ideas and practices were more or less laid down in the mud and the blood of 1914 - 1918.
Great comment! Just about everyone has heard the old saying about amateurs talking tactics and experts talking logistics, but by far the most under-appreciated dimension of modern war is Command and Control.
@@alessiocortez6520 Indeed. I do not think many people these days appreciate how difficult Command and Control was during WWI. Even by 1918 radios weighed in at several thousand pounds and required two lorries to transport, one for the radio, the other for the antenna. These things were not issued at the Company or Battery level! Usually they were issued to Division, or occasionally to Brigade.
While attempts were made to lay telephone wire over no mans land during an attack this was inevitably cut, meaning that your attacking troops even in 1918 had to rely on either Runners or Pigeons (or occasionally small dogs trained for the purpose) to carry messages and reports (or requests for support) to the rear.
In todays electronic age so many people just cannot get their heads around how difficult it must have been to coordinate a modern land battle when you were receiving information that was usually hours, and in some cases well over a day old!
The Command and Communications difficulties at least partially explain why so many Generals made decisions well past the time they should have been made. All to often these days they are blamed for that, when generally the reality was they made their decision almost as soon as they got the information....
@@alganhar1 I worked in command and control centers in the military. What you said was pretty much spot on.
@@shootingbricks8554 nothing works in the military.
@@alganhar1 grey hounds that's what they were breed for running messages on the battle field. They just died faster in WWI then they had in the less deadly 100 year war
Arch, do a video on traitor guard. They're the most criminally ignored group in the entire setting.
Them and the dark mechanicum
That!s like saying "do a video on space marines". It's not exactly a unified uniform bunch now, is it?
@@SnlDrako. You're right, which is why we're going to need a 12 part series complete with more custom art work and commissioned back ground music. I'm willing to let arch pay for all that.
@@abcdfg6899 he's already made it clear that he's thought of doing just this.
But due to gws current stance against the community of 40k, he has 0 plans in the immediate future to undertake the venture.
@@Benthesniperof8. I'm hearing a whole lot of excuses, and not seeing a video describing the battle tactics and forces of the Blood Pact.
"Incomming fire has the right of way." Old artillerymans maxium.
But seiously if i have to choose in the 40k setting if i want something with extreme range or more boom vs reliablity i will always go for reliability as it is less likely to blow up in your face.
That is all very well... right up until the point that the enemy shreds you with counterbattery fire from ranges BEYOND which your own artillery can respond!
@@alganhar1 at that point you pull up the Manticore.
Join the navy. Biggest dakka and range.
@@mdb45424 And then get liquified by a boarding torpedo.
I'd hope to operate a Hellgun, or be part of a chimera crew.
Some of the new software they have for these things is amazing. Imagine every tank and artillery in an area synchs up, they all aim for the same target, then fire at different times so that every shell hits the target at the exact same fraction of a second within a 4 square meter area, or they can stagger the impacts to hit in the exact same spot within 2 seconds so each explosion digs a deeper and deeper hole. Frickin' insane.
the swedes have one that can do a "one gun volley" - firing 6 shots at different elevations so they all land at once.
@@muninrob That's the POWER OF MATH! (wait... did I just quote Star Trek Discovery? I feel ill)
@@muninrob the french and german too (even if the french one is a gun strapped on a truck)
@@muninrob Unfortunately that has a very low maximum range compared to normal fire. Ideally artillery will never have to deal with stuff within the range where that can be used to its full extent.
@@jss2a98aj The range reduction depends almost entirely on how big the 1 gun volley is. They can do a 3 round volley out to around 90% of max range. (When it was new, I thought it was the awesomest thing EVAR, and got pretty in depth on my research.)
Can confirm the Usmc, at least in the security forces regiment, still uses field phones between prepared positions to avoid possible interception. The lines tend to get cut by people simply walking on them by mistake and they’re a pain in the ass because you have to hand-crank them but they are still in use. Also some of the more permanent positions will have regular phone lines built in.
I got out 2013 with my last assignment being in a communications platoon and S3. We used phones for local communications and local computer networks. In terms of longer ranges, radio communications was used. We used UHF, VHF, HF and Satcom radio communications. Encryption is pretty strong and in theater, Encryption is changed at random times.
Kreig Officer: Observer, do you see that bunker over there?
Kreig artillerymen: Yes, sir.
Kreig Officer: I don't want to see it anymore.
Kreig artillerymen: Understood sir.
this joke never gets old
Okay more seriously, there's a couple peculiarities with the earthshaker cannon doctrine that makes much more sense when you realize that 40k is british and using british pop culture to inform the writers.
1: The cannon's smaller caliber
2: The cannon's robust and cheap construction.
3: Separation of combined arms into specialty units.
In short, learning from the experiences of world war 1, namely that you can bomb the fuck out of something and it'll never be enough, no matter how big or small your pp compensator, so its not the size that matters its the motion of the ocean. They went all in on narrow front advances using suppressive barrages to support their infantry and vehicles on the attack and defense. They economized their cannon and shell to be as supply efficient as possible, while the American's were using the 105 they're using smaller 88mm guns. Less HE and penetrative power but who cares? You're bombing the shit out jerry keeping him on the back foot while your men are just walking forward.
This in contrast with the Americans who presighted Europe. No, I mean they presighted the entirety of fucking Europe. These are the people who conducted the most complicated *series* of naval *invasions* in the history of the planet.
While the British system of systematic creeping barrages was rightly called inflexible, it was also a simple and easy to conduct operation that can be planned between infantry and artillery commanders routinely. While the American's had on call artillery to hit time on target opportunity strikes across a massive front simultaneously, the british focused on the narrow front strategy, concentrating firepower and effect to break the fulcrum of the enemy and shatter their line. Both sides had merit, and both sides had their operational failings (Hurtgen forest for the US, Market Garden for the British)
Now this is mirrored in Imperial Artillery Doctrine. Supply can be inconsistent and thin, but when its abundant allow for a concentration of firepower and guns in both narrow and wide fronts. "Most" Imperial commanders like to concentrate the maximum amount of force on a frontage to conserve resources, not everyone is as lucky as Cubrik Chenkov to be blessed by the Blood god to conveniently have unlimited reserves at hand.
They're also dealing with mix of troop quality. Sometimes they'll get top of the line veteran regiments who have "circumvented" Munitorum regulations regarding combined arms formations by either raising said regiments together, or have become scratch combination regiments. Other times they'll be dealing with freshly raised conscripts called up in an time of emergency. Simple tactics like a creeping barrage to protect your infantry as they advance on an enemy hardpoint. Its inflexible sure, but you can't get your men bloodied and seasoned if they're fucking dead.
Now you're going to be asking me about the british habit of separating units out into component parts and forming regiments that way. Well many nations have done and still do this to some extent. Nowadays its mostly for training and instruction purposes, but also because the line between what constitutes what type of unit has blurred to the point of irrelevancy. EVERTYTHING is motorized now at the least, if not mechanized, and these same mechanized units have the ability to engage armored units if not on near parity then giving one hell of a black eye with ATGMs. But artillery remains "separate" as a regimental force due to their literal physical separation between infantry/armored/assault forces and their firing positions. They're still combined arms force mutually supporting one another, but instead of being right behind their advancing lines they're also skirting and moving in the back lines to the next firing positions to avoid that every dreaded counterbattery.
This was honestly quite a joy to read and reminded me about the US presighting all of Europe. I had heard that years ago somewhere and forgotten it but thanks to you I now have another new historical rabbit hole to fall down. Makes me wonder as well if the DoD archives still have all that data kicking around available publicly. It'd certainly be interesting to take a look through. Also makes me realize that given that mindset I imagine US War Plan Red(the invasion of Canada) likely had something similar. Anyways cheers to you good sir and thank you for sharing your thoughts and knowledge!
Have you been studying how the Russians have been employing artillery in Ukraine?
The Duran CZcams channel has had some military experts on, and they were saying that the Russians use of artillery there has been fascinating and effective. I didn't really understand the hows and whys of what they were getting into though. I was able to understand, mostly, what you were explaining above, and was wondering if you could shed some light on the current Russian techniques.
the comforting thunder of the big guns
Well, comforting when they're on your side
"How much artillery will we need, Lord Commander?"
"Yes."
I remember playing against my brother as 475th cadian artillery regiment too his chaos blood drinkers space Marines as my imperial guard regiment was being ripped to shreds plus my brother lucky dice rolls where unatural
I figured my last chance of defiance was to get his champion and leader at the same time I had a Leman Russ Demolisher with demolisher siege Cannon upgrade and a Coloessus and one heavy weapons team left
He's been busy mopping up half my forces he just destroyed with his khorne berserkers and his dreadnought and chaos defiler
I had bad luck rolling my dice so he ignored my artillery at the time while he was going after my other forces so now is the time to finish my artillery group
I close my eyes and rolled and I finally got a lucky roll I don't remember what I rolled but I do know it was what I was looking for at the time as my demolisher landing a lucky hit as his leader Stefan taker of world's and his champion blew up in a fire explosion
the look on my Brothers face as he howl Khorne you've taken Stefan too soon was priceless the 475th imperial guard artillery regiment went down in the blaze of Glory
16-20km are the specs on terra. Different planets, different gravity and atmo (as acknowledged in the sounding section)
Any planet that has human population will invariably have the atmospheric pressure comparable to Earth, maybe even the composition of air, and similar gravitational field. Don't expect a great variance in the maximum range.
And this is why I am consistently of the opinion the imperium is more capable then we like to joke. Their equipment can be used on a radioactive hell world one week, and a week later that same stuff can be deployed to an ice world...and the regiment itself can swiftly adapt. You will be well educated in what the imperium needs to to know and you will typically be good at it, it's why catastrophic military defeat or a whole world having an economic collapse is so rare for them. Sure we would win the first battles irl...but as soon as we step on another world our machines would struggle...but the imperium would hardly hesitate. Their machines and even the drive and tenacity or the citizens are well beyond M2 humans.
@@00yiggdrasill00 Yes and no. Their gear is so reliable and versatile not because of their ingenuity, but because it's produced from STC technology, and is a far cry from that the Human Federation could produce. They also win usually because of the massive size of the Imperium, which allows them to crush most enemies with the weight of numbers and industrial output. It seems that individual Guardsmen are not on par with current day soldiers. They aren't expected to navigate the terrain, provide first aid, coordinate the artillery bombardment with their fire support and generally understand the general happenings of the campaign. Because of the compartmentalization of the IG, they aren't going to utilize the combined arms tactics of the current army (because chaos). It's kinda tragic that tenaciously holding on is all that the Imperium of Man has left.
I can’t speak for other countries, but is military equipment is specifically designed to operate in an NBC environment.
@@pirig-galQuality of Individual guardsmen kinda depends. Some regiment's are useless cannonfodder, renowned regiments' like Cadia, Krieg, Tallarn,etc... I imagine are easily on par with if not entirely superior to IRL professional soldiers. Even if WH40K lore doesn't portray it properly/realistically.
Saying imperial Guardsmen aren't expected to navigate terrain or do first aid because it's not mentioned in lore isn't exactly fair, 40K writers aren't always experts on this stuff.
As a former artilleryman (Redleg) I can tell you there’s no fucking way that the Basilisk uses a 132mm gun. There’s just no way. Couldn’t be smaller than a 203mm easily. From models to artwork, there’s just no way it’s that small. Those shells are just too huge.
Right, 132mm is just half an inch larger than Rheinmetall 120mm L/44. The earthshaker looks as thick as a M30 rocket (M270 MLRS) that’s 8.9 inch.
Yeah, but that seems to be a theme in 40k. Except for a few personal firearms, everything is one form or another of beyond totally ridiculous. But I guess it is part of the charm. Cannon barrels almost as big around as the vehicle is wide, weapons that fire caseless ammo that have ejection ports, Titans with arm mounted Gatling cannons with no possible mechanism to reload...
@@jasonwright8546 Oh of course, but some things are more obvious than others. And hey, I can see a titan's 8in rotary cannon working. They just reload at the titan service rigs which are titans unto themselves. You never see them depicted because that's rear line stuff. And that's boring. But when the shell is larger than my torso, and I have handled 155mm shells that are far smaller, that's too easy to say, HEY, THATS NOT A THAT. Whereas we do not yet have a rotary 8in gun. Yet.
@@Your_Resident_Redleg One of my favs is the Colossus. It has a cannon in the front that would fire shells so big that one would fill up the entire interior of the vehicle! Gods I love 40k!
@@jasonwright8546 That thing is basically the 40k version of the Karl Morser super heavy mortars. Irl 600mm mortars. No.. you don't store a shell on that vehicle. You have a dedicated ammo carrier.
As for Demolisher Cannons, thats more along the lines of the Sturmtigers 380mm rocket launcher (Which is actually a repurposed naval depth charge launcher on a tank) And you should see what it takes to load that. Sometimes 40k aint as far from the real world as you might think.
Arch you posted this a day after my birthday. Between Auspex's video on the IG leaks and this, i feel 26 is going to be a good year.
Thank you, Arch!
Funny thing. When I was studying Vietnam war bombing the first time, I "somehow" completely missed box barrage. This lead to a very erroneous opinion, when I was looking at the 300 bombs dropped per single kill and just assumed it was either staggering incompetence or just seeding the country's soil with heavy metals and annoyingly lethal Easter Eggs.
Happy to see a follow up to your imperial armor series :). I recently rewatched the videos on the chimera and the leman russ and was wondering when the next installment would come! Thanks for the great content arch, been watching for about 7 years now
Baneblade: When you're finally sick of holding the line.
100x Basilisk: When you're finally sick of the line.
Happy Tukayyid Day, Inquisitor!
As for why the Imperium doesn't do smart targeting and counter battery operations is primarily because artillerymen don't care where the rounds go and just want to see shit explode
Well that and the Mechanicus ain't keen to share any new tech..
Or not every Guardsman regiment rich enough to have mobile cogitator or computer.
I just assumed the first time an enemy tech used data djinn on the computer controlled guns and wiped out half of the imperium's forces, they went back to manual loading and targeting.
@@TheEldritchGod or the network constantly blessed and guarded by Techpriest specialized at cyber warfare
@@randomblacktemplar738 in pretty sure that tech priest caught a virus from sticking his cyberdong in the wrong port.
* Laughs in Krieg grenadier *
Humm I seen to have forgotten how to use bold again
Commander: "Captain, do you see that enemy formation?"
Artillery Captain: "Yes, sir!"
Commander: "I do not want to."
Artillery Captain: "In the Emperor's(nyeeoth, Also known as Adam Kadmon) name!"
Ha! This immediately came to mind when I got the video notification
Feth you, the Emperors name is Adam Kadmon. (But yes, please erase that formation, it's just unslightly!)
@@Sorain1 edited, thanks for the tip. 😊
Was "Ruble" and ruin really intended in the title card?
Lol i thought it was an archcast video on the financial impact of the war for a moment.
There was supposed to be a kaboom, where is the earthshaking kaboom?
Ah the classic.
Someone stole the space modulator!!!
FIIIIIINALLY!!!
Another Imperial Armor video. Tanks are, and will continue to be, the most badass weapon on the battlefield.
I just completed a report on the modern Self-Propelled Howitzer market, and I am shocked at how underwhelming the Basilisk actually is. Even in the early years of M3, 155mm is the gold standard, and 30km (40km with rocket assisted munitions) is the *minimum* acceptable range. Even multi-round simultaneous impact is becoming standard. I get the Imperium is technologically declined, but they are still an interstellar empire, howitzers are basic AF compared to directed energy weapons like lance batteries.
What they lack in usage tactics ( mostly) they make up in quantity of shells.
Just bad lore from the 1980s probably. Hell, 40K aircraft are often slower than aircraft IRL. I just headcanon 40K equipment to be better.
@@AbyssWatcher745 they are flying bricks for low atmo. In space they probably have better performance.
@@barrybend7189 Perhaps but even the specialized atmospheric aircraft are worse than real life jets. It's why I don't like the technical details of 40k lore like the 15-20km(sub par by irl modern standards) range of an earthshaker or the Leman russ battle cannon being 120mm.
Or how a Marauder Bomber only carries around 2 tons of bombs all told. That's pitiful.
Wait only 132mm? Those guns look way too massiv to be only 132mm XD
same with the battle cannon lol
Don't look too close at the 120mm on the Leman Russ either.
On a related note, 22 caliber bullets fit almost perfectly into the barrel of the Basilisk model. One box will meet all your customizing needs. Just remember not to be an idiot and use live ammunition; you only need the bullet for your model.
I believe this classic British WWI poem suits quite well.
Ahem.
BOOM BOOM BOOM!
BOOM BOOM BOOM!
BOOM!
BOOM!
BOOM!
Beautiful.
@trueblueprussian 23 the germans spendt 1500 years making art an poetry, while the british comitted war crimes on every continent on this planet. i have had it with this hatred against germany.
@@eirikarnesen9691 The british spent 1500 years making art and poetry, while the germans committed warcrimes on every continent on this planet. I have had it with this hatred of britain.
@@imperialloyalist3117 but thats objectivly false. my statement was true
@@eirikarnesen9691I hate Britain and Germany how about that
That thumbnail made me think this was about Russia at first. I think you meant "Rubble and Ruin" not "Ruble and Ruin"
Given the current state of the ruble… it might still be accurate
@@11jeransnot really it's about a penny a ruble
@@11jeransright now it's only .005 lower than it was before the war
US dollars that is
I am surprised by the cannons caliber. I thought it would have fired a bit of a bigger shell.
Fantasic timing, my Lord Arch! Ill be putting the finishing touches on my first Basilisk model this weekend. Looking forward to listen to this while I paint. Keep up your amazing work, my Lord
Agreed. I just bought some immobile platforms to mount an Earthshaker onto. I'm hoping I can do it so that I can swap the base for a Chimera if I so choose.
You can determine the location of a indirect fire weapon based off the impact area. There’s a report that the USMC used to do I think it’s called a crater or shell report. I learned it in my advanced infantry school but we don’t do it because you never want to go look inside a crater that the enemy has hit with IDF because they can do it again.
True, but this sounds like a perfect Krieg job, lol!
This just makes me wonder all the more about orbital bombardment. If it's a spaceship dropping rounds down upon an enemy force with near impunity it seems you end a lot of conflicts. The only way to stop it would be to attack the ship in orbit with your own but you risk destroying your allies and civilians with any missed strikes.
You just dig in.
Defense platforms in space may also be a factor not to mention that alot or infrastructure on these planets would be irreplaceable at this point.
My understanding is orbital bombardment is not always usable.
1. If the enemy is in a valuable position and you don't want to irreversibly damage it.
2. An ongoing battle makes the cost of friendly fire too high.
3. Space as a theatre is contested and going into orbit would make you too vulnerable. (I think this is the most obvious one. You lose most of your agility and ability to fight back in geostationary orbit.)
4. The fleet may not have a naval escort capable of bombardment. (Especially if its just troop transports and a few escorts)
Many cities in 40k are equipped with anti-orbital weaponry so that will complicate bombardment from space.
There are a couple problems with that idea depending on what exactly you are bombing. For ease of argument let us say a single hive city on a hive world is rebelling and so there is no opposition in space and there are orbital bombardment ships on hand so they can happily position themselves above the city and fire away. However, since this is a hive city there are two very notable problems. The first is that it probably has void shields which means your ships will probably have to spend weeks if not months or years constantly bombarding the shields in hopes of bringing them down which ties up ships that could possibly be of more use elsewhere. The second problem is that the hive city probably has anti-orbit weaponry, which has all the time in the world to line up their shots and open fire on your ships.
Earthshaker is the cannon,
The Basalisk is the Self Propelled system.
Forgotten Weapons of the 41st millennium. "Hey guys, thanks for tuning into our video on the SPG"
Arch is left handed confirmed
Excellent video as per usual sir. Excellent.
Fantastic work
Thank you for sharing this good sir.
I still agree with your t-shirt about this topic^^ got a few good laughs from it xD
7:52
Something worth keeping in mind: if you have fixed or towed artillery with a sufficiently long range, you can keep those batteries in place and use them for counter-battery use where they are less likely to suffer counter-battery (or counter-counter-battery) fire to begin with. You can also use them as behind-frontline assets where you are relatively sure that enemy towed artillery is not in range of them and use them to support your advance alongside any self-propelled artillery. Albeit that latter option is more dangerous to your own towed artillery.
"Patterson, you see that over there?"
"Yes sir."
"I don't want to."
*"YES SIR."*
**the sound of 100 Earthshaker cannons firing**
My first active duty medic job was with MRLS. Now thats artillery. Steel rain on a whole grid.
My fathers lot used to refer to the MLRS as the Grid Square Removal System. He was career British Army, as career as you get, 36 years in, started a private left a Lt Colonel.
@@alganhar1 1 battery could take out 1x1 kilometer. 3 batteries in a battalion. They could take out any flesh targets. Lockheed Martin makes the telephone poles. The rockets that drop the bombes. I think they can deliver bouncing betties too. I think it was like 15 minutes to set up and 10 to break down. They were completely mechanized. Sometimes those rockets don't go off right and leave ordinance everywhere. I been around paladins doing live fire ranges. Things are loud. I think the basilisk needs a primaris treatment.
132mm. honestly this makes me laugh and cry, because its Very clear that the earthshaker artillery piece was based on the american 240mm M1 Howitzer
thank you sir enjoy the uploads!
Dawn of War with the Apocalypse mod using Imperial Guard and the Artillery special doctrine... There is no sound more satisfying than hearing the enemies of Mankind vaporize in massive, sustained explosive artillery bombardments.
Day late for my birthday, but I’ll take it. Thanks for all you do and keep up the good work, Arch. Ave Imperator.
Love all the video's lately, I would love to see some bout the mighty and much better than skaven Dawi! Kazuuk!
If it's a gun (artillery classification), that means it's used specifically for direct fire. Just thought I would point that out. Then again, this is the Imperium of Man's military, who use tanks that are, whether you want to admit it or not, deathtraps compared to contemporary main battle tanks.
Deathtrap is putting it in the most mild terms possible. But I guess cost cutting is a much bigger concern than protecting manpower when you have quadrillions of replacements. Guardsmen are expended like bullets.
28:57 - I believe that Landlines can be intercepted. I remember hearing that the line between the UK and US in WW2 kept being intercepted by the germans via the underwater cable.
Could be wrong though
Arch’s BaseLisk and it’s Based Earthshaker Cannon
Ahh, the model that made me pick up the guard.
Personally, back in the day, it was the old Hellhound tank model that contributed me into making a Guard army
*Rubble
Not Ruble
Unless that's a Leman Ruskie tank
Another thing about smoke shells, is that if you can get the smoke thick enough, you either have to get OUT of the area under smoke bombardment or choke to death because the smoke is displacing the rest of the air. Maybe not good against Eldar or Tau or Necrons, but it would work well against Orcs and Tyranids...
You are a legend man. Well done for all of your content
Basilisk, when you want to scatter the enemy in tiny pieces
Now THIS is what I'm here for!
Man, I wonder what could have inspired this.
Not complaining, I love Imperial armour.
Nice video !
I gotta say, saying we don't have orbital assets for direct observation when we have thousands if not tens or hundreds of thousands of satellites in orbit for just this specific task is a little irksome.
I love the old imperial armor pictures
I'm being recommended your videos again which is nice, have some sacrifice on me.
I mean, I get it is suppose to be part of the aesthetic. But... they've got ships in space. The material cost of a simple mirror to reflect and direct solar energy from well outside of any ground-based counter-attack is a pittance next to that of ships. Just literally melt them out of their bunkers.
@CK Lim Which would preclude artillery shells as well.
Lore video by Archboi, how lovely
I am going to miss you in the next few weeks
going on a massive themepark-filled roadtrip.
Much fun, such interesting indeed
Happy Tukayyid Day Arch!
even During the 60s Radar was used to locate enemy Artillery. this being Fast enough to locate and return fire, this is necessary as even a towed Battery can set up, fire roughly a 100 rounds and be on the move in 6 mins
The seige of vraks mentioned counter battery fire when the cardinal was reinforce
Acoustic triangulation for counter battery identification isn't too hard to pull off with low tech, either vehicular mounted or placed acoustic sensors near an engagement area. Basic sound ranging has been around since WW1 used by the British as you mentioned, Russians have used passive sound triangulation either emplaced or on vehicular mounts for some time, not as good as radar based, but with no signature to attract SEAD anti radiation fire. Of course the best counter battery is radar based, they have radar in 40K, but perhaps not dedicated cogitators to back trace POO sites, though really if you can fire radar guided missiles for air defense you should be able to do counter battery as well...
I always wondered why these things were almost never direct fire guns.
I do enjoy these
big guns never tire
Funny to think during 30k these guns were crewed by space marines wish they still did.
Nothing like the smell of Artillerey in the morning
I'm not familiar with current rules but I think counter battery abilities wouldn't be hard to implement. For Imperial Guard, if they still take Basilisks in squadrons have it as an upgrade or ability you can take for the command vehicle, any indirect fire weapons that hit within 12" of the command vehicle or any unit with a vox caster any Basilisks in the unit that haven't fired during the previous turn can take a shot within a decreasing radius of the enemy artillery, subject to all the usual rules like scatter. The radius will only decrease if the enemy artillery remains in the same spot. I'd say Space Marine artillery units could automatically have that as an ability since they are more advanced, same with some of the Chaos Marines. Might be a little broken but it could be fun especially for armies that run heavy on indirect fire weapons.
Love my Earth shakers they have put in work have to replace the barrels all the time ha...
am i the only one wondering about the size of the shell the kriegsman putting in that humongous barrel at 17.04?
As my old Sergeant told us, "Calling for artillery is like ordering Burger King: Have it your way."
He also told us only he was allowed to scream Immediate Suppression! into the fires net.
Your army went boom.
my whole strat in dawn of war was just made around these.
I think the lower tech of the imperial guard makes some sense due to it's scale. They probably could make higher tech artillery or rifles but it would cosr more in time and resources and when you've got to do it a bazillion times over it's probably a significant difference.
Yes, I would say the ruble is indeed in ruin right now
😆 how is the Russian Ruble in trouble right now? Do you have anything to back up that claim oh wait of course you don't
Arch, you should consider adding chapters to this video, considering that you have clear distinctions of what you're covering :)
The funny part? Modern artillery definitely outclasses the fictional mainstay of a galactic army.
''fire several shells ad different elevations'' aka , to hit the target at the same time ,yep thats one nasty thing modern computing assisted/mechanical/self propelled arty can do.. if i dont recall wrong i think its one of the selling points for the 'archer' system to do that very efficiently even giving up a bit of potential max range for the option to borderline 'drive by' bombard you if there is any cover for it to hide in as it sets up to rapid fire and then move the moment the last shell left the barrel.
Landlines can be hacked. You just need an engineer brave enough to cross no mans land hooking a similar wire to the land line and running a line back.
Yeah an observant operator might pick up some abnormal static when someone us listening on the hacking device but thats why you have radio silence when listening to enemy chatter on the land lines.
Yup. Very true if you can locate the correct lines.
@@shootingbricks8554
If in doubt hack them all.
I'm kind of shocked how short the range is 30km Is shorter than modern artillery
Probably depend on planetary characteristics like gravity, atmosphere, and etc.
Great vid!....~Grab yer helmet, we're putting you on an AT Gun ARCH, with experience & survival, you can work your way back to the bigger guns in the rear areas!...;)
we have orbital range finding right now with satellites.
Ah the Earthshaker love them!
Is the "Ruble and Ruin" on purpose? If yes: I love it!
Artillery, when you want to reach out and touch someone...with extreme prejudice.
back in 4th ed Iron warriors Chaos space marines could take a single basalisk. I had a friend who played guard (and relied entirely on Russ tanks) well, back in those days you had to guess range to indirect fire.
welp... I dropped a shell on the back armor of his most expensive tank (roughly double the points cost of the basalisk) first turn, destroying it (and occasionally taking out nearby troops when it exploded) 5 times over the course of 6 games, he never DID learn to deploy within that 36 inch minimum range.
Fire.
Did I say stop?
The heroes of the siege of Vraks and many other imperial battlefields.
**Heavy earplug dancing**
"Shatter their skies!"
Meme: A bullet might have your name on it but a granade is to however it may concern.
Dear grid coordinates.