What are loops in game design? - Loops - Game Design Theory
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- čas přidán 1. 03. 2018
- Learn how players come up with actions when they are playing your game so that you can design around this. People use a loop structure when they devise the actions that they want to complete in almost any situation. This loops structure is the way the use the information they already have in their head to devise an idea about how to interact with the surroundings. For a game these action are translated by the system of the platform you are playing on and the feedback is received from the game about the effect the actions had.
From the start of the video we discuss how clash of clans and the city building genre are great examples of games that have lots of different sized loops. With a play session potentially lasting a few seconds or a single action also potentially taking days to complete.
We then discuss the mental process of a learning loop that the player goes through in order to build up skills in the game. This loops consists of having a store of information called the mental model. Referring to that store of information the player's brain decides on an action based on their current understanding of the environment or situation. The player then acts by taking this action. The action in the case of the game is received as input by the game and run through the game logic in the system which we generalize as rules. The game the hopefully returns an output back to the player in the form of feedback. The player receives this feedback and interprets what this means in the context of their action and stores this new thought back into their mental model. This process repeats throughout all actions in the game.
Then we take a look at a passage of play from a game called Recore. The passage of play is the player trying to work out how to get through a door that is only open for a short time. We discuss how the player is going through this loop during this progression of play.
We then link it back to Clash of Clans and use the idea that some sessions are short and some actions take days to illustrate how these loops occur and they are at different sizes.
Finally we talk abut how to use the loop structure to debug your players problems in your game. Does your game have a situation where the player isn't recieving feedback for their action? Is this why they are confused? Is something random happening and the player doesn't understand why? maybe you should allow the player to act on that first so they know the feedback is coming from somewhere. Is the player interpreting the initial feedback correctly or is it not being interpreted correctly leaving the player confused?
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I remember the first time I got killed by a giant in Skyrim, I flew into the air and rag-dolled like crazy. I thought the game had kicked the bucket and laughed like hell. Wasn't until a mate informed me that the giants do that when they club you that I had a complete correct mental model. It was funny while it lasted.
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This is incredibly well done and manages to break down the essential of loops in game design. Well done!
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Great breakdown of gameplay loops! Thanks for the video
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Great Video on loop, and game essentials.
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loops is the new buzzword that somehow everybody started to use on their death stranding reviews.
its a stranding type game
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I'm working on an openworld game right now, and one of the ways I plan to combat a broken loop like an enemy spotting the player but the player not spotting them is to add sounds to enemies when they find the player as example, I am working on an ambush enemy of a Crab that disguises as a hill that when it gets up to attack the player is it makes the sounds of an angry crab bubbling, aswell as this I also add a little visual indicator of a light flash on screen and a little arrow pointing towards the enemy allowing the player to know they've entered a fight
Here is a link to Daniel Cooks article Loops and Arcs btw: lostgarden.home.blog/2012/04/30/loops-and-arcs/
Really cool video! Out of curiosity, is there much way you can work in a gameplay loop later in the game when the player has already finished most of their resource/character progression and has learned most of what you have to teach them?
Yeah. Have a look at the end game in games that are known for strong end games, have a look at how season content changes or adds to the main questing and gameplay loops in MMO and multiplayer games and look at games that change their new game plus playthroughs in some way or another.
You could do something like add something new, repackage what you have in a fun way or add new constraints/stakes to existing mechanics or patterns.
10 minutes to explain that people react to and remember things they see
The loopn available to players is Action - Reaction - Reward
Which game were you playing in starting
This concept seems easy to use on paper, but gets tricky to apply anywhere when you're working on an actual game.
So, the loop is the relationship between action and feedback?
I noticed and read the description. I think I understand well enough now!
Yes. So at different levels of complexity.... ideally you will choose to do something and then you will receive some feedback after doing it that you can use to choose something else to do. And we can design around these steps to improve these loops.
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can be helpful but imo new school game dev try to make sciens of things wich are not. anyways ty
I personally hate any kind of "loop" in game design. It's just waste my time until I can see something new.
Your game would be an hour long if you only saw new stuff
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The footage or ReCore reminds me how ReCore one of the most wasted potential i've ever seen. Remove the 1% situations that sucked horribly and it would have been an awesome experience.
I have a real soft spot for ReCore. Enjoyed the first half immensely. It's my jam. As you said, wasted potential. The back half of the game was a mess.
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gmtk clone is a compliment frankly. haha. I love Mark's work.
There's nothing inherently "fun" about a loop of activities, it's more likely that the concept of "gameplay loops" is just an artificially contrived structure that gets imposed on games that have some repeated aspects. You can identify a loop of activities in any game but trying to reverse engineer them by intentionally developing "loops" of gameplay just seems like a misinterpretation of an observation
There's nothing inherently suspenseful or gripping about a 3 act structure or nothing inherently interesting or compelling about art theory, it's more likely that these things are just artificially contrived structures that get imposed on films and artworks that have some suspenseful or interesting aspects. You can pick out 3 acts in any film or various techniques like leading lines in any artwork, but trying to reverse engineer them by intentionally developing "Acts" or "Leading Lines" seems like a misinterpretation of an observation.
There are whole structures of game design that revolve around primary and secondary loops. They are a tool that is used to help make something as complex as a game a little more manageable and also to help diagnose issues when things go wrong.
@@gamedesignwithmichael I understand your perspective but disagree that the two ideas are equivalent, thank you for your reply
Gameplay loops is a paradigm introduced around 2015 in a paper by Emmanual Guardiola based on work done in his lab since around 2012. It is just one tool among many for modelling gameplay.
Some people seem to think it is a synonym for gameplay and can't conceive of any other modelling methodology.
You're right though - excessive focus on loops can be detrimental (to a man whose only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail).
Disagree. Structure is what makes things fun.
Pulling the slot machine is addictive because of random reward loop.
Playing chess is fun because of elegant skill gap game loops.
A game without loops almost inhently cant be fun because its not predictable in some way.
Shit. Hyperbole.
Clash of clans is garbage