2nd Opium War - Storming of the Taku Forts (Part1of 2)

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  • Part 1 of 2 videos about the Storming of the Taku Forts, durinmg the Second Opium War in China (1856-60).
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    in this part 1 episode, I want to share with you why the war even happened, an audacious plot to poison all the British in Hong Kong, and a humiliating British military defeat - also at the Taku Forts.
    This is a story of bravery, treachery, gunboat diplomacy and humiliation.
    And through there two episodes you will meet a series of incredible characters, some of whom are largely forgotten such as General Sir Hope Grant and Sir John Bowring, whilst others who would go on to greater things such as Field Marshal Sir Garnet Wolseley, Admiral John “Jackie” Fisher, and General Charles Gordon (“Gordon of Khartoum”).
    Welcome to part 1 in my story of the storming of the Taku Forts.
    1st Opium War
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    Chapters
    0:00 Intro
    0:51 Simmering Tensions
    1:36 The Arrow Incident
    2:10 Harry Parkes
    2:46 Sir John Bowring
    3:53 Admiral Seymour
    4:56 Hong Kong Poison Plot
    6:00 Palmerston Wants War
    7:13 French Allies
    7:44 Lord Elgin
    9:42 Canton Captured
    10:31 1st Attack on Taku Forts
    11:59 Treaty of Tientsin
    14:20 Chinese Repudiate Treaty
    15:34 Admiral Hope
    17:08 Josiah Tattnall
    19:44 British Defeat
    22:39 The Next Stage
    Timeline of the 2nd Opium War & Storming of the Taku Forts
    1842 - Treaty of Nanking ends First Opium War
    Oct 1856 - Arrow seized by Chinese (Arrow Incident)
    23rd Oct 1856- Admiral Seymour bombards Chinese forts in Pearl River
    15 Jan 1857 - Chinese baker slips arsenic into bread in Hong Kong
    28 Dec 1857 - British & French bombard Canton
    5 Jan 1858 - British & French enter Canton
    20 May 1858 - Admiral Seymour seizes Taku Forts.
    26 June 1858 - Treaty of Tientsin
    24 June 1859 - Admiral Hope arrives at Taku Forts
    25 June1859 - Chinese defeat Admiral Hope at Taku Forts
    May 1860 - British - French expeditionary force arrives at Shanghai
    12 Aug 1860 - General Hope Grant lands up river from Taku Forts
    21 Aug 1860 - Taku forts successfully stormed by British & French forces.
    18 Sep 1860 - Harry Parkes and his escort ambushed & captured by Chinese
    21 Sep 1860 - Battle of Palikao
    13 Oct 1860 - General Napier enters Peking (Beijing)
    24 Oct 1860 - Lord Elgin arrives in Beijing to conduct peace treaty (Convention of Peking)
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Komentáře • 149

  • @rorygillies37
    @rorygillies37 Před 4 měsíci +32

    I must admit upon hearing 11000 British and 200 frigates were inbound, i hoisted the colours and sounded the bugle. Great video as always

  • @ludwigderzanker9767
    @ludwigderzanker9767 Před 4 měsíci +12

    Chris, a new master piece for me as a british military history starter, kind of. I love the blood and water saying and the anglo saxons relationship between British and United states cousins. Yeh was all but never a han Chinese! Waiting for part 2 of this fine lesson, all the best from Northern Germany Ludwig.

    • @TheHistoryChap
      @TheHistoryChap  Před 4 měsíci

      Thanks for watching my video & your comments. If you have not already, please subscribe to my channel so that you do not miss vuture videos.

  • @jeningle8288
    @jeningle8288 Před 4 měsíci +5

    Having only a tepid interest in British involvement with China, I decided to watch anyway. However Chris has worked his usual magic on a topic and I now can't wait for part two of the Taku forts. Yet another part of British history brought to life by the History Chap. Well done Chris!

  • @mr.s2005
    @mr.s2005 Před 4 měsíci +7

    Two empires, both full of themselves....but only one of them had the military strength to put their money where their mouth was, while the other was too arrogant to realize they were severely overmatched, even after defeat after defeat.

    • @TheHistoryChap
      @TheHistoryChap  Před 4 měsíci

      Thanks for watching my video & for your comments

    • @mickmacgonigle5021
      @mickmacgonigle5021 Před 4 měsíci

      Definetly full of something

    • @greg_4201
      @greg_4201 Před 3 měsíci

      and they've still learned absolutely nothing to this day

  • @BootsontheTable
    @BootsontheTable Před 4 měsíci +4

    It’s always amazing to me how confident the British forces and other colonial powers were in these sorts of engagements. Outnumbered and outgunned? Never mind we are British!

  • @user-aero68
    @user-aero68 Před 4 měsíci +3

    I see Flashman books on the bookshelf! I like! Flashman and the Dragon is a great take on these events, full of historical notes on what happened.

    • @TheHistoryChap
      @TheHistoryChap  Před 4 měsíci

      Thanks for watching my video. If you haven't already, please subscribe to my channel so you don't miss future videos.

    • @garylynch9206
      @garylynch9206 Před 27 dny

      Flashman & The Dragon are among his best.

  • @cnzaqdfrut9661
    @cnzaqdfrut9661 Před 27 dny

    Thank you professor for bringing insights into the wars.
    The treaty of Nanking has been on the 8th grade final history exam for generations, it's huge.
    For the longest time, the Chinese based upon the list of allies(8 nations) during the 2nd opium war to determine whether a western country is friend or foe. Obviously we can hold a grudge.
    As Chinese historians never miss a chance to chronicle any defeat we suffered in great lengths, the century of humiliation carries weight beyond measuring.

  • @alexanderpavlovichromanov3065
    @alexanderpavlovichromanov3065 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Can't wait for part 2, splendid job as always. God save the King, rule Britannia!

  • @grandadmiralzaarin4962
    @grandadmiralzaarin4962 Před 4 měsíci +6

    One can hardly blame the Chinese for not trying to follow the unequal treaties considering the circumstances. It is also always somewhat sobering to see how much the actions of the Century of Humiliation still impact China to this day.

    • @1994CPK
      @1994CPK Před 4 měsíci +1

      theyll never live it down. Theyll be screaming about it for thousands of years to come.

    • @TheHistoryChap
      @TheHistoryChap  Před 4 měsíci

      Thanks for watching my video & and also your comments

    • @yipzoe3865
      @yipzoe3865 Před 4 měsíci

      How about Vladivostok? It was ceded to Russia under unequal treaty in Qing dynasty, but never returned .
      Why didn't CCP feel humiliated? CCP doesn't dare to ask Russia to return Vladivostok and even finds many excuses to justify it.

  • @BoerChris
    @BoerChris Před 4 měsíci +1

    Exciting stuff! Looking forward to Part 2.

    • @TheHistoryChap
      @TheHistoryChap  Před 4 měsíci +1

      Thanks for watching my video and if you haven't already, [lease subscribe to my channel so that you don't miss future videos.

  • @daltonweeks6736
    @daltonweeks6736 Před 4 měsíci

    Another outstanding video Chris, well done and thank you for your content!

  • @jamesgarman4788
    @jamesgarman4788 Před 4 měsíci

    Brilliant Chris!!!! Thank you!

  • @mediapartners9950
    @mediapartners9950 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Another excellent presentation. Well done 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

  • @jon9021
    @jon9021 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Another splendid episode!

    • @TheHistoryChap
      @TheHistoryChap  Před 4 měsíci

      I’m glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching.

  • @stigg333
    @stigg333 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Great video and very interesting, thank you and stay well.

  • @londonbudgetgardner5205
    @londonbudgetgardner5205 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Excellent video
    Wait for part two

  • @harryshriver6223
    @harryshriver6223 Před 4 měsíci +1

    This was such an interesting story I was captivated by it. I am looking forward to the second installment and the result of the second Opium War. Muy bien, amigo y gracias! 😊

    • @TheHistoryChap
      @TheHistoryChap  Před 4 měsíci +1

      Thanks for watching my video and your comments.

  • @FranciscoPreira
    @FranciscoPreira Před 4 měsíci +1

    Lets crak on to part 2, part 1 is great, thanks for sharing.

    • @TheHistoryChap
      @TheHistoryChap  Před 4 měsíci

      Pleased you enjoyed my video. If you haven't already, please subscribe to my channel so that you don't miss future videos.

  • @DarrenMarsh-kx8hd
    @DarrenMarsh-kx8hd Před 4 měsíci +2

    Very well presented, really looking forward to part II.
    It's nice to now be getting a clearer picture of the lives of the Victorian Generals, Wolseley & Gordon in particular.
    Here's hoping that you one day do a video about Charies Gordon and exactly what he did to earn that yellow jacket.

    • @TheHistoryChap
      @TheHistoryChap  Před 4 měsíci +1

      Glad you enjoyed it. If you haven't already already, please subscribe to my channel so you don't miss futre videos.

  • @WilliamJohnwon1522
    @WilliamJohnwon1522 Před 4 měsíci +3

    The opium wars are often used as a stick to bash the old British Empire with, when the opium trade was a side show and shared by other nations, including China itself, at the time.

    • @TheHistoryChap
      @TheHistoryChap  Před 4 měsíci +1

      Have you watched my video about the First Opium War?

    • @WilliamJohnwon1522
      @WilliamJohnwon1522 Před 4 měsíci

      @@TheHistoryChap Yes I have. it was very interesting thanks.

  • @andrewsteele7663
    @andrewsteele7663 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Thanks Chris, I was a bit tardy getting to this video, But I need uninterrupted time to take in the whole story and as usual it was brilliant. Cheers

  • @ccd3150
    @ccd3150 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Another great video!

  • @tabletsam5624
    @tabletsam5624 Před 4 měsíci

    Such a great Teller you are. Love your Content so much. Greetings from a Kraut.

    • @TheHistoryChap
      @TheHistoryChap  Před 4 měsíci

      Glad you enjoy it! What would you love to hear about in the future?

  • @fingerzfrienemy2226
    @fingerzfrienemy2226 Před 4 měsíci

    Very nice.
    Thank you, sir ❤

  • @joeritchie4554
    @joeritchie4554 Před 2 měsíci

    Amazing history that I had only heard about but did not have a great understanding of.

  • @davidwoods7720
    @davidwoods7720 Před 4 měsíci

    Thanks so much Chris

  • @uksimonseye
    @uksimonseye Před 4 měsíci +1

    Great story telling skills by The History Chap.

  • @martinhogg5337
    @martinhogg5337 Před 4 měsíci

    A cracking tale!

  • @fedecano7362
    @fedecano7362 Před 4 měsíci

    This and a hot plate for dinner is all I need tonight! You didnt get to answer my question last time Chris, in short I was wondering whether you script your videos or improvise the dialog?
    Thanks for your content!

    • @TheHistoryChap
      @TheHistoryChap  Před 4 měsíci

      Thanks for the question. In these videos I script.

  • @drtimsmith
    @drtimsmith Před 3 měsíci +1

    "What could possibly go wrong?" - Famous last words... #184

    • @TheHistoryChap
      @TheHistoryChap  Před 3 měsíci +1

      How many times could that have been mentioned in History?

  • @mudra5114
    @mudra5114 Před 4 měsíci +3

    The Chinese who looked at themselves as the Middle Kingdom, looked at the Europeans as pirate barbarians and did not really contemplate the powers they were up against. The defeat was an extreme shock to them, they have not forgiven the West for this till this day.

    • @TheHistoryChap
      @TheHistoryChap  Před 4 měsíci +1

      Thanks for watching my video and your comments

    • @mudra5114
      @mudra5114 Před 4 měsíci

      @@TheHistoryChap You are welcome.

    • @yipzoe3865
      @yipzoe3865 Před 4 měsíci

      How about Vladivostok? It was ceded to Russia under unequal treaty in Qing dynasty, but never returned .
      Why didn't CCP feel humiliated? CCP doesn't dare to ask Russia to return Vladivostok and even finds many excuses to justify it.

  • @tent7014
    @tent7014 Před 4 měsíci

    Great Content as usual. It would be good to find out if any of the forts still exist ?

    • @TheHistoryChap
      @TheHistoryChap  Před 4 měsíci

      Yes they do. I have seen photos of them (well, the ruins).

  • @alexsexton469
    @alexsexton469 Před 4 měsíci

    I’m originally from Eastbourne so will have to check out Rasons memorial next time I’m there.

  • @rdreidmehrabi
    @rdreidmehrabi Před 27 dny

    Great material , thoroughly enjoy. Though would prefer fewer diversionary side notes

  • @douglasherron7534
    @douglasherron7534 Před 4 měsíci

    As well as being an Admiral of the Fleet, Jackie Fisher was First Sea Lord from 1904 to 1910.

  • @timwilkinsongs
    @timwilkinsongs Před 4 měsíci

    Brilliant stuff. BTW "Plover" pronounced "pluvver".

    • @TheHistoryChap
      @TheHistoryChap  Před 4 měsíci

      Really pleased you enjoyed it. And thank you for taking the time to help me pronounce. Plover

  • @andysvehiclehistorychannel
    @andysvehiclehistorychannel Před 4 měsíci

    I see one of your books is called They also served is that about the Dickins Medal winners ?

    • @TheHistoryChap
      @TheHistoryChap  Před 4 měsíci

      Hi, thanks for the question. No, it is actually about camp followers .

  • @DazhuangDoubaoMimi
    @DazhuangDoubaoMimi Před 4 měsíci +1

    The Second Opium War had little to do with opium itself. The main purpose was treaty revision, involving not only Britain and France but also the United States and Russia. The US did not send troops due to the ongoing Civil War. Ye Mingchen, the Governor-General of Guangdong and Guangxi, might have been arrogant but not xenophobic. He is criticized by later generations for not fighting, not negotiating peace, not defending the city, not surrendering, not dying in battle, and not fleeing. At that time, the mentality among the ministers of the Qing dynasty was still that of China being the celestial empire, superior to all, with other countries being vassal states. As the Governor-General of Guangdong and Guangxi, Ye Mingchen was legally the only official who could negotiate with foreign envoys. When Guangzhou fell, and he was captured, he thought he was being taken to Britain to negotiate with the Queen. Instead, he was taken to Calcutta, India, where he eventually starved to death after refusing to eat anything beyond his own supply of rice brought from China.

    • @TheHistoryChap
      @TheHistoryChap  Před 4 měsíci

      Thank you for adding your perspective. History is all about view points.

  • @formwiz7096
    @formwiz7096 Před 4 měsíci

    I've heard a lot of references to the Taku forts, now I know why.
    PS The assauslt is reminiscent of a lot of the Marine landings in WWII. MacArthuir's "hit 'em where they ain't" saved a lot of soldiers, Australian and American.

  • @billevans7936
    @billevans7936 Před 4 měsíci

    Have you done anything on Jackie Fischer ?

  • @nr875
    @nr875 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Do you know where I could find info on Americans serving in the British military prior to the U.S. joint the war (WWI and WW2). Would like to know more about these commissions and how they worked without citizenship. Kermit Roosevelt being an example.

    • @TheHistoryChap
      @TheHistoryChap  Před 3 měsíci +1

      thanks for watching my video. How about trying the War Office or the National Archives in London

    • @nr875
      @nr875 Před 3 měsíci

      @@TheHistoryChap thank you that is a great idea!

  • @michaelhurley3171
    @michaelhurley3171 Před 4 měsíci

    As an American we too fight in other countries over drugs. It always ends up badly. We should have learned our lesson by now!

    • @TheHistoryChap
      @TheHistoryChap  Před 4 měsíci

      Interestingly, the Americans were involved in the opium trade in Xhina - including FDR's maternal grandfather.

    • @michaelhurley3171
      @michaelhurley3171 Před 4 měsíci

      @@TheHistoryChap interesting. Our War on Drugs has failed miserably!

    • @angusmckenzie9622
      @angusmckenzie9622 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @michael hurley "As an American we t..." The differences are that the Brits
      (a) fought their war over drugs in someone else's country;
      (b) benefitted. It ended well for them, they were able to keep the Royal Marines match fit, offset the tea trade imbalance, obtain trading rights into China and and picked up a nice little colony.

  • @user-zn9yl7cw5m
    @user-zn9yl7cw5m Před 4 měsíci +1

    Need to reed the Harry Flashman book Flashman and the Dragon

    • @MrMattMWH
      @MrMattMWH Před 4 měsíci

      Great book! All the Flashman novels worth reading.

    • @TheHistoryChap
      @TheHistoryChap  Před 4 měsíci

      Thanks for watching my video. Think my father read every Flashman book.

  • @31terikennedy
    @31terikennedy Před 4 měsíci

    Josiah Tattnall studied in England before being appointed a midshipman.

    • @TheHistoryChap
      @TheHistoryChap  Před 4 měsíci

      Thanks for watching my video and your comment.

  • @tabletsam5624
    @tabletsam5624 Před 4 měsíci

    Where there french foreign Legion was involved?

    • @TheHistoryChap
      @TheHistoryChap  Před 4 měsíci

      Not sure.

    • @tabletsam5624
      @tabletsam5624 Před 4 měsíci

      Hat Friends in the Legion when i was a Soldier and wantet to joyn after my Abitur. But 5 years of Service frightened me as a 19 year old. Now i recret with 51.

  • @warrenbeans8495
    @warrenbeans8495 Před 4 měsíci

    Speak one hundred languages? I think not. The gentleman would have gone insane.

    • @TheHistoryChap
      @TheHistoryChap  Před 4 měsíci +1

      That’s the claim that I read in my sources. If you have different info please do share.

    • @warrenbeans8495
      @warrenbeans8495 Před 4 měsíci

      @@TheHistoryChap if that's what your source says then that's what it claims. But think on it. Do you think the brain is equipped to 'decode' for that's literally what a language is.......100 different languages? A language is not a few words.....but literally thousands of words. Picture french,spanish,Portuguese, German, russian,itallian,swiss,hungarian,English, so many European languages plus transpacific and African and you'll probably have an idea of the scale he would have to decipher and then languages are a learnt behavior, even the mother tongue. The thought is mind boggling to me.

  • @saigonmonopoly1105
    @saigonmonopoly1105 Před 3 měsíci

    with his help she sit curtsin for 60yrs 1850-1910

  • @markayres8014
    @markayres8014 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Forcing a country to legalize the importation of a dangerous drug to even out a trade imbalance you have with said country rises above a "morale dilemma". I have no love lost for modern China but I can understand why the Opium Wars and the unequal treaties China was forced to sign would sour them on Western nations.

    • @TheHistoryChap
      @TheHistoryChap  Před 4 měsíci +1

      You are right. I am also struck by the fact that the Chinese still think their way is the best way. Maybe the Celestial Empire lives on.

    • @angusmckenzie9622
      @angusmckenzie9622 Před 4 měsíci

      @markayres "Forcing a country to legalize the importation o..." Turkey first traded opium into what we now call China in the 7th Century. Portuguese merchants traded opium in the 18th Century and locals both imported and distributed before the East India Company came along. The Manchu dynasty collected taxes on the trade from the locals but the British refused to pay so access to ports was closed to them, thus the wars. Whilst British interests took it to a whole new level, they didn't initiate the trade and didn't force legalisation, if anything they caused the Manchus to make the trade illegal.

  • @QALibrary
    @QALibrary Před 4 měsíci

    Wonder why they did not tell this history in schools?
    If you think China and British had animosity just think of today with China and Japan still having issues from what happened to China in WW2.
    It even affects today's car production and zero-emission cars - the rest of the world is using batteries whereas Japan thinks China has too much of the stronghold over the raw materials and production so instead invested in hydrogen vehicles because that can not be interfered with or blocked by China.

    • @TheHistoryChap
      @TheHistoryChap  Před 4 měsíci +1

      Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts about how history still shapes the world

    • @QALibrary
      @QALibrary Před 4 měsíci

      @@TheHistoryChap I found about this while doing research for a youTube channel I work with about green technology and developments and zero emissions cars - also if the CCP needs a boast because it becoming unpopular it kicks off about Japan and Japanese companies ever few years

    • @angusmckenzie9622
      @angusmckenzie9622 Před 4 měsíci

      @QALibraryonder why they did not tell ...The National Archives have prepared lesson plans on the Opium Wars, which suggests that the topic has appeared in education in Britain. You can't blame Japan for insuring against CCP's weaponising of trade, the rest of the world are doing the same perhaps not quite as dramatically.

  • @londonbudgetgardner5205
    @londonbudgetgardner5205 Před 4 měsíci +1

    5:10
    Nationalist fervour or reward ?
    FROM THE CHINESE POINT OF VIEW
    What did the Chinese say to each other? We don’t know.
    The Chinese have seen the Europeans had conquered India, East Indies, Africa, South America and North America.
    They stopped the Russian Czar on the river in Siberia.
    Now the British, French, Americans, Russians and Germany was coming after the Chinese mainland.
    So they limited the Western countries to costal enclaves.
    The Chinese resistance was confusing to the Western powers and then the Japanese came and spoilt the party. 🎉😂

  • @jayfelsberg1931
    @jayfelsberg1931 Před 4 měsíci

    Butbutbutbut.....what about Flashy being rent boy to the Dowager Empress????? (lashman and the Dragon)

  • @Doggiedogedog
    @Doggiedogedog Před měsícem

    China could have won if they reserved their fleet for night action and logistics.

  • @tomtaylor6163
    @tomtaylor6163 Před 4 měsíci

    100 languages from that fellow from Exeter! I wonder if he could speak Jive? Surely he was friends with Seymour Butts….

  • @saigonmonopoly1105
    @saigonmonopoly1105 Před 3 měsíci

    zizi and prince kong nhi hoang gia

  • @JustinBettany
    @JustinBettany Před 3 měsíci

    It sounds an awful lot like you’re pro British exploits during the British empire etc

    • @TheHistoryChap
      @TheHistoryChap  Před 3 měsíci

      I tell stories from British history, which happens to include the Empire. If you look on my channel, you will also see that hotel stories from Anglo-Saxon, England, and from the Roman invasion of Britain.

    • @JustinBettany
      @JustinBettany Před 3 měsíci

      @@TheHistoryChap I understand that, it’s just the way you word it. You talk about accomplishments of military forces and personnel, when some of these feats were literal barbarism. It just seems you don’t objectively view these events and are instead very pro British minded. Which is fine, we just have some very shameful history

  • @mayachico9766
    @mayachico9766 Před 4 měsíci

    Xenophobic?

    • @TheHistoryChap
      @TheHistoryChap  Před 4 měsíci +1

      Yes. Did you think Chinese can’t be?

    • @mayachico9766
      @mayachico9766 Před 4 měsíci

      If they don't want the British, then they don't want the British. Doesn't mean we define what happened through our modern lense of "xenophobic" or "racist". Emperor didn't want to fuc with Brits. Plain and simple...

  • @angusmckenzie9622
    @angusmckenzie9622 Před 4 měsíci

    ‘Chinese as arrogant as 19 th Century English …’ ? What would the easybeats Chinese have to be arrogant about ? The sun never sets on the Empire as opposed to a people the British used as coolies on plantations and in mines. Ignorant rather than arrogant.

    • @TheHistoryChap
      @TheHistoryChap  Před 4 měsíci +2

      I think you need to study Chinese history before making rash comments

    • @angusmckenzie9622
      @angusmckenzie9622 Před 4 měsíci

      @@TheHistoryChap "I think you need to study Chin..." Don't assume that a person who doesn't boast of or display his obsession with British History doesn't know enough about the history of other parts of the World to be able to make accurate, if generalised, comments.